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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 9, 2023 9:41:51 GMT
You sound like a white Diane Abbot. Which is fine surely? If it's OK for Abbot then surely it's OK for me or is it different because she's black. Does she get a free pass but I don't ? Abbot is a laughing stock. Don’t you get the irony? You complain frequently about Abbot and then do exactly what she does and see racism and discrimination but only from one side and where it isn’t there. You and Diane are the same. Too woke for your own goods. |
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Post by Eggybread on Oct 9, 2023 9:46:03 GMT
I do understand percentages I'm mint at maths. We aren't all the same though, some people are better than others, not because of race , because of the person as an individual. Some blacks are better than whites and some whites are better than blacks. The best from either group should be the one that gets th3 job and if you think differently you are a racist. In which case, why are black people so underrepresented in positions in power in the workplace? According to you they benefit from positive discrimination but are still underrepresented in positions of power. There are two logical conclusions, either: 1. White people are inherently better than black people at work 2. You are wrong, and there is some form of prejudice against black people holding them back from getting positions of power. I think it is 2, and it is largely due to unconscious bias against people who are different to you. I cannot provide data to back that up, but that is my hypothesis. Just to jump into this there is a third option. Maybe certain people of certain backgrounds and beliefs just don't want to climb the ladder. Its similar to why dont you see any Asian (inc Chinese) or African/Caribbean residents in nursing homes. |
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Post by aureliuspotter on Oct 9, 2023 9:46:38 GMT
I do understand percentages I'm mint at maths. We aren't all the same though, some people are better than others, not because of race , because of the person as an individual. Some blacks are better than whites and some whites are better than blacks. The best from either group should be the one that gets th3 job and if you think differently you are a racist. In which case, why are black people so underrepresented in positions in power in the workplace? According to you they benefit from positive discrimination but are still underrepresented in positions of power. There are two logical conclusions, either: 1. White people are inherently better than black people at work 2. You are wrong, and there is some form of prejudice against black people holding them back from getting positions of power. I think it is 2, and it is largely due to unconscious bias against people who are different to you. I cannot provide data to back that up, but that is my hypothesis. And my hypothesis is different mate and I trust mine more than I do yours. |
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Post by aureliuspotter on Oct 9, 2023 9:48:04 GMT
Which is fine surely? If it's OK for Abbot then surely it's OK for me or is it different because she's black. Does she get a free pass but I don't ? Abbot is a laughing stock. Don’t you get the irony? You complain frequently about Abbot and then do exactly what she does and see racism and discrimination but only from one side and where it isn’t there. You and Diane are the same. Too woke for your own goods. She is a laughing stock for normal people but for you and other Labour supporters she can do no wrong. I'm mint and ace like Trump. |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 9, 2023 9:54:40 GMT
I think your cultural assumptions are indeed correct. A lot of ethnic groups do prioritise the education of their kids. But white working class boys are declining rapidly in the education sector and its going to lead to huge societal problems if people are prepared to look further than 5 mins down the road. 18 year old uneducated white working class kids ain't going to pay too much attention to how horrible racism is for their educated ethnic peers. Its gonna produce an awful lot of resentment and cause racial conflict. Not good planning really and definitely to the detriment of race relations. So my opinion is less of the all white people are racist bigots, the uk is a horrible place and all ethnic people are victims of racism and let's move forward as we already are doing and create equal opportunity for all children. Leaving white working class boys behind is simply wrong and it should be discussed way more than it is. Its currently being ignored almost completely. You are right about white working class boys underachieving in schools. White middle class boys are not underachieving and neither are white working class girls. So this is a class and gender thing more than a race thing. This is not the fault of the immigrant of black person. I never once said it was anything to do with racism. I don't do the cry racism thing if there's a problem. This is a thread about shitty govts. And this is one thing they are getting criminally wrong as they all do consistently. And having half a functioning brain i can see where its heading. And it ain't good. My underlying point is the usual virtue signallers banging on about how racist this country is should perhaps spend a bit more time checking in on working class white boys. They are anything but privileged. |
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Post by Gawa on Oct 9, 2023 9:57:06 GMT
Abbot is a laughing stock. Don’t you get the irony? You complain frequently about Abbot and then do exactly what she does and see racism and discrimination but only from one side and where it isn’t there. You and Diane are the same. Too woke for your own goods. She is a laughing stock for normal people but for you and other Labour supporters she can do no wrong. I'm mint and ace like Trump. Make Oatcake Great Again |
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Post by aureliuspotter on Oct 9, 2023 10:00:00 GMT
You are right about white working class boys underachieving in schools. White middle class boys are not underachieving and neither are white working class girls. So this is a class and gender thing more than a race thing. This is not the fault of the immigrant of black person. I never once said it was anything to do with racism. I don't do the cry racism thing if there's a problem. This is a thread about shitty govts. And this is one thing they are getting criminally wrong as they all do consistently. And having half a functioning brain i can see where its heading. And it ain't good. My underlying point is the usual virtue signallers banging on about how racist this country is should perhaps spend a bit more time checking in on working class white boys. They are anything but privileged. Oggy has a track record of making stuff up and twisting what you've said. I'm still trying to figure out if he genuinely has difficulties understanding things or if he just thinks he's clever by being disingenuous. Either way his views on race and ethnicity are abhorrent and have no place in modern Britain where everyone should he treated as equals and jobs given on merit rather than skin colour. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 9, 2023 10:07:44 GMT
Abbot is a laughing stock. Don’t you get the irony? You complain frequently about Abbot and then do exactly what she does and see racism and discrimination but only from one side and where it isn’t there. You and Diane are the same. Too woke for your own goods. She is a laughing stock for normal people but for you and other Labour supporters she can do no wrong. I'm mint and ace like Trump. Two sentences, neither of which could be more wrong! I agree that she is a laughing stock for most people, but believe it or not, that also includes, shock, horror, lots of people who don't support the current Tory government, like me, for example. Not sure anyone has ever used language like "she can do no wrong", unlike some folk on here who use language like "Trump is ace" then try to claim that they haven't embraced Trump  |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 9, 2023 10:16:03 GMT
You are right about white working class boys underachieving in schools. White middle class boys are not underachieving and neither are white working class girls. So this is a class and gender thing more than a race thing. This is not the fault of the immigrant of black person. I never once said it was anything to do with racism. I don't do the cry racism thing if there's a problem. This is a thread about shitty govts. And this is one thing they are getting criminally wrong as they all do consistently. And having half a functioning brain i can see where its heading. And it ain't good. My underlying point is the usual virtue signallers banging on about how racist this country is should perhaps spend a bit more time checking in on working class white boys. They are anything but privileged. I get where you're coming from, Mickey, but I'm not sure anyone said working class white boys were "privileged". I certainly didn't, if anyone else has then I must have missed it, apologies. However, without dismissing their failing academic achievements at school which you've correctly highlighted, the point of the discussion, originally at least, was that to grow up as a white, straight male in the west which has previously seen discrimination against blacks, Asians, women, homosexuals and other minorities, often in legislation, was to have experienced and to continue to experience a life almost entirely free from any of those barriers to progress. We're still not seeing equal pay for women, there are very few black or female CEOs in our industries, very few black or Asian football managers, administrators or referees, only recently have homosexuals been granted the same marital rights and job opportunities as straight people....none of that stuff applies the other way round. To think that there is some kind of organised campaign to persecute and victimise straight white men in this country or the west in general is arrant nonsense frankly. The evidence of daily life just doesn't support that view at all. |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 9, 2023 10:22:15 GMT
I never once said it was anything to do with racism. I don't do the cry racism thing if there's a problem. This is a thread about shitty govts. And this is one thing they are getting criminally wrong as they all do consistently. And having half a functioning brain i can see where its heading. And it ain't good. My underlying point is the usual virtue signallers banging on about how racist this country is should perhaps spend a bit more time checking in on working class white boys. They are anything but privileged. I get where you're coming from, Mickey, but I'm not sure anyone said working class white boys were "privileged". I certainly didn't, if anyone else has then I must have missed it, apologies. However, without dismissing their failing academic achievements at school which you've correctly highlighted, the point of the discussion, originally at least, was that to grow up as a white, straight male in the west which has previously seen discrimination against blacks, Asians, women, homosexuals and other minorities, often in legislation, was to have experienced and to continue to experience a life almost entirely free from any of those barriers to progress. We're still not seeing equal pay for women, there are very few black or female CEOs in our industries, very few black or Asian football managers, administrators or referees, only recently have homosexuals been granted the same marital rights and job opportunities as straight people....none of that stuff applies the other way round. To think that there is some kind of organised campaign to persecute and victimise straight white men in this country or the west in general is arrant nonsense frankly. The evidence of daily life just doesn't support that view at all. I'm not looking at this through a racial lense at all. It's simply a counter observation. And yes we were all told some hideous things in the George Floyd aftermath. White privilege. Silence is violence. Whites are inherently racist. It was a joke that really wasn't very funny at all. And just out of interest why is it when this topic comes up, whether its racial or gender discrimination why do we always focus on the top 100 CEOs. A position that 99.9999998% of us will never get to. Just seems an odd place to start if yoos ask me. There must be a reason 😆 |
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Post by aureliuspotter on Oct 9, 2023 10:23:26 GMT
She is a laughing stock for normal people but for you and other Labour supporters she can do no wrong. I'm mint and ace like Trump. Two sentences, neither of which could be more wrong! I agree that she is a laughing stock for most people, but believe it or not, that also includes, shock, horror, lots of people who don't support the current Tory government, like me, for example. Not sure anyone has ever used language like "she can do no wrong", unlike some folk on here who use language like "Trump is ace" then try to claim that they haven't embraced Trump Nah. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 9, 2023 10:27:07 GMT
I get where you're coming from, Mickey, but I'm not sure anyone said working class white boys were "privileged". I certainly didn't, if anyone else has then I must have missed it, apologies. However, without dismissing their failing academic achievements at school which you've correctly highlighted, the point of the discussion, originally at least, was that to grow up as a white, straight male in the west which has previously seen discrimination against blacks, Asians, women, homosexuals and other minorities, often in legislation, was to have experienced and to continue to experience a life almost entirely free from any of those barriers to progress. We're still not seeing equal pay for women, there are very few black or female CEOs in our industries, very few black or Asian football managers, administrators or referees, only recently have homosexuals been granted the same marital rights and job opportunities as straight people....none of that stuff applies the other way round. To think that there is some kind of organised campaign to persecute and victimise straight white men in this country or the west in general is arrant nonsense frankly. The evidence of daily life just doesn't support that view at all. I'm not looking at this through a racial lense at all. It's simply a counter observation. And yes we were all told some hideous things in the George Floyd aftermath. White privilege. Silence is violence. Whites are inherently racist. It was a joke that really wasn't very funny at all. And just out of interest why is it when this topic comes up, whether its racial or gender discrimination why do we always focus on the top 100 CEOs. A position that 99.9999998% of us will never get to. Just seems an odd place to start if yoos ask me. There must be a reason 😆 Fair enough, Mickey, but one other poster (no prizes for guessing!) did couch it in terms of straight, white males being the victims, so that's where it inevitably went! With regard to the CEO question - perhaps because that is the most glaring and obvious example of where the inequality is most apparent? Our business leaders are high profile people who often hit the public eye for various reasons. |
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Post by aureliuspotter on Oct 9, 2023 10:29:39 GMT
I get where you're coming from, Mickey, but I'm not sure anyone said working class white boys were "privileged". I certainly didn't, if anyone else has then I must have missed it, apologies. However, without dismissing their failing academic achievements at school which you've correctly highlighted, the point of the discussion, originally at least, was that to grow up as a white, straight male in the west which has previously seen discrimination against blacks, Asians, women, homosexuals and other minorities, often in legislation, was to have experienced and to continue to experience a life almost entirely free from any of those barriers to progress. We're still not seeing equal pay for women, there are very few black or female CEOs in our industries, very few black or Asian football managers, administrators or referees, only recently have homosexuals been granted the same marital rights and job opportunities as straight people....none of that stuff applies the other way round. To think that there is some kind of organised campaign to persecute and victimise straight white men in this country or the west in general is arrant nonsense frankly. The evidence of daily life just doesn't support that view at all. I'm not looking at this through a racial lense at all. It's simply a counter observation. And yes we were all told some hideous things in the George Floyd aftermath. White privilege. Silence is violence. Whites are inherently racist. It was a joke that really wasn't very funny at all. And just out of interest why is it when this topic comes up, whether its racial or gender discrimination why do we always focus on the top 100 CEOs. A position that 99.9999998% of us will never get to. Just seems an odd place to start if yoos ask me. There must be a reason 😆 Spot on mate, I think you are wasting your time with bluers though, to him it's all whiteys fault. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 9, 2023 10:30:11 GMT
I'm not looking at this through a racial lense at all. It's simply a counter observation. And yes we were all told some hideous things in the George Floyd aftermath. White privilege. Silence is violence. Whites are inherently racist. It was a joke that really wasn't very funny at all. And just out of interest why is it when this topic comes up, whether its racial or gender discrimination why do we always focus on the top 100 CEOs. A position that 99.9999998% of us will never get to. Just seems an odd place to start if yoos ask me. There must be a reason 😆 Spot on mate, I think you are wasting your time with bluers though, to him it's all whiteys fault. Stop being such a victim, Crappy |
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Post by aureliuspotter on Oct 9, 2023 10:30:57 GMT
Spot on mate, I think you are wasting your time with bluers though, to him it's all whiteys fault. Stop being such a victim, Crappy Says chiprocket who goes through life trying to make a victim of minorities 😂 |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 9, 2023 10:35:13 GMT
Stop being such a victim, Crappy Says chiprocket who goes through life trying to make a victim of minorities 😂 Poor you, Crappy, like all those suffering from a victim complex you have my sympathy and pity, but there is help out there  |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 9, 2023 10:36:14 GMT
I'm not looking at this through a racial lense at all. It's simply a counter observation. And yes we were all told some hideous things in the George Floyd aftermath. White privilege. Silence is violence. Whites are inherently racist. It was a joke that really wasn't very funny at all. And just out of interest why is it when this topic comes up, whether its racial or gender discrimination why do we always focus on the top 100 CEOs. A position that 99.9999998% of us will never get to. Just seems an odd place to start if yoos ask me. There must be a reason 😆 Spot on mate, I think you are wasting your time with bluers though, to him it's all whiteys fault. To be fair he does make some very valid points. I'm just trying to put another spin on it and balance the discussion up. Its too easy sometimes to block certain realities out because it harms the narrative for their main arguement. And that's what's been happening to white working class kids. They are currently doomed from the start of life and will end up a huge problem down the road. It shouldn't be ignored in the trampede to be seen as racially progressive. We are a good country in racial terms heading in the right direction. Still lots to achieve but simply peddling this story of us being inherently racist and ethnics can't get on in life here is an absolute lie. And a dangerous one. |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 9, 2023 10:36:56 GMT
Says chiprocket who goes through life trying to make a victim of minorities 😂 Poor you, Crappy, like all those suffering from a victim complex you have my sympathy and pity, but there is help out there Just like his hero...Tommeh!!  |
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Post by aureliuspotter on Oct 9, 2023 10:37:54 GMT
Says chiprocket who goes through life trying to make a victim of minorities 😂 Poor you, Crappy, like all those suffering from a victim complex you have my sympathy and pity, but there is help out there Projection at it's finest right there 😂 |
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Post by Gawa on Oct 9, 2023 10:38:15 GMT
I never once said it was anything to do with racism. I don't do the cry racism thing if there's a problem. This is a thread about shitty govts. And this is one thing they are getting criminally wrong as they all do consistently. And having half a functioning brain i can see where its heading. And it ain't good. My underlying point is the usual virtue signallers banging on about how racist this country is should perhaps spend a bit more time checking in on working class white boys. They are anything but privileged. I get where you're coming from, Mickey, but I'm not sure anyone said working class white boys were "privileged". I certainly didn't, if anyone else has then I must have missed it, apologies. However, without dismissing their failing academic achievements at school which you've correctly highlighted, the point of the discussion, originally at least, was that to grow up as a white, straight male in the west which has previously seen discrimination against blacks, Asians, women, homosexuals and other minorities, often in legislation, was to have experienced and to continue to experience a life almost entirely free from any of those barriers to progress. We're still not seeing equal pay for women, there are very few black or female CEOs in our industries, very few black or Asian football managers, administrators or referees, only recently have homosexuals been granted the same marital rights and job opportunities as straight people....none of that stuff applies the other way round. To think that there is some kind of organised campaign to persecute and victimise straight white men in this country or the west in general is arrant nonsense frankly. The evidence of daily life just doesn't support that view at all. I can sympathise and understand where he's coming from. If you're a straight white male there's an illusion that everything's easy and handed on a plate and that because of the way you're born your suddenly privileged and have it easier than everyone else. And while this is correct for some things - it also leads to alot of these people feeling like their problems and issues are easily dismissed because gays/trans/black/foreign/immigrant/women have it harder. And in a sense that is also racial stereotyping to presume that someone has its easier than others due to their colour or gender. I also think through "equality" we are all suffering. One example is women in the workplace. A household could generally survive and buy a house and raise a family on one income 40 years ago. Now women have alot more rights in the work place we suddenly need 2 incomes to run a household and raise a family in most instances. How has this happened? Another example is that with so much focus on equality in pay there are alot of white working class men suffering as a result. CEOs like you said yourself are mostly men. While alot of those doing manual jobs which are lower paid are also men. And as a result alot of office and middle management roles get filled up with women to meet these "average equal pay targets". And who's winning from that? The CEOs and directors on big money. When it comes to BAME managers for instance it's usually compared against the number of BAME footballers in a league or country. But a large chunk of BAME footballers are foreign and only here for the duration of their contract before leaving. So I don't think that's the best measurement to use. Now that's not to say they're under represented, they are, but the metrics used sometimes can make it look worse than it is in some instances. We don't have alot of player managers these days so comparisons should be made against British born BAME players 20 years ago (rough duration of a career) rather than against current BAME representation in the league. What I'm saying above isn't me saying discrimination doesn't exist. It certainly does and I can recognise that there are certain things such as stop and check searches which are much more likely for black people compared to me and that is racial stereotyping. As well as many other examples you and others have provided. But ultimately I think class plays a much bigger role in where people end up and how they get treated than anything else. A black/asian person in a wealthy family going to private school such as Sunak or Braverman will get alot more opportunities than a white man born in a working class area. So for me it all comes down to the wealthy again who seem to benefit from these culture wars where they pit us against eachother but in reality we all know that the class your born into and the wealth of your parents has more influence on how you turn out than anything else. I can see both sides of the coin and I'm a huge supporter of equality for all. But I can sympathise with other white working class men too who feel things have been getting worse for them too and all they hear in the media is about equality for everyone else. And thus I can see why this then triggers them because they're also being fucked over by austerity but effectively being told they're privileged and their problems don't matter. |
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Post by aureliuspotter on Oct 9, 2023 10:38:44 GMT
Spot on mate, I think you are wasting your time with bluers though, to him it's all whiteys fault. To be fair he does make some very valid points. I'm just trying to put another spin on it and balance the discussion up. Its too easy sometimes to block certain realities out because it harms the narrative for their main arguement. And that's what's been happening to white working class kids. They are currently doomed from the start of life and will end up a huge problem down the road. It shouldn't be ignored in the trampede to be seen as racially progressive. We are a good country in racial terms heading in the right direction. Still lots to achieve but simply peddling this story of us being inherently racist and ethnics can't get on in life here is an absolute lie. And a dangerous one. He doesn't make any valid points mate but the rest of your post again is spot on. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 9, 2023 10:42:03 GMT
Spot on mate, I think you are wasting your time with bluers though, to him it's all whiteys fault. . I'm just trying to put another spin on it and balance the discussion up. Its too easy sometimes to block certain realities out because it harms the narrative for their main arguement. And that's what's been happening to white working class kids. They are currently doomed from the start of life and will end up a huge problem down the road. It shouldn't be ignored in the trampede to be seen as racially progressive. We are a good country in racial terms heading in the right direction. Still lots to achieve but simply peddling this story of us being inherently racist and ethnics can't get on in life here is an absolute lie. And a dangerous one. Thanks, Mickey. Shove that up your fudge pipe, Crappy Completely agree about white working class kids being failed educationally - but that's not the same as discrimination which, by definition, is deliberate and often enshrined in legislation. Is anyone on here really "peddling this story of us being inherently racist and ethnics can't get on in life here"? Perhaps you meant in general, away from the board, in which case fair enough and those voices should be challenged. But, I'd say that they are minority opinions, the flip side of the same coin that Crappy here bangs on about in relation to the 'persecution' of straight white males which, as I said, is arrant bollocks, frankly. Both views are bollocks. |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 9, 2023 10:42:15 GMT
To be fair he does make some very valid points. I'm just trying to put another spin on it and balance the discussion up. Its too easy sometimes to block certain realities out because it harms the narrative for their main arguement. And that's what's been happening to white working class kids. They are currently doomed from the start of life and will end up a huge problem down the road. It shouldn't be ignored in the trampede to be seen as racially progressive. We are a good country in racial terms heading in the right direction. Still lots to achieve but simply peddling this story of us being inherently racist and ethnics can't get on in life here is an absolute lie. And a dangerous one. He doesn't make any valid points mate but the rest of your post again is spot on. Fair enough. I'll leave you pair to your squabble 😆 |
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Post by aureliuspotter on Oct 9, 2023 10:45:03 GMT
I get where you're coming from, Mickey, but I'm not sure anyone said working class white boys were "privileged". I certainly didn't, if anyone else has then I must have missed it, apologies. However, without dismissing their failing academic achievements at school which you've correctly highlighted, the point of the discussion, originally at least, was that to grow up as a white, straight male in the west which has previously seen discrimination against blacks, Asians, women, homosexuals and other minorities, often in legislation, was to have experienced and to continue to experience a life almost entirely free from any of those barriers to progress. We're still not seeing equal pay for women, there are very few black or female CEOs in our industries, very few black or Asian football managers, administrators or referees, only recently have homosexuals been granted the same marital rights and job opportunities as straight people....none of that stuff applies the other way round. To think that there is some kind of organised campaign to persecute and victimise straight white men in this country or the west in general is arrant nonsense frankly. The evidence of daily life just doesn't support that view at all. I can sympathise and understand where he's coming from. If you're a straight white male there's an illusion that everything's easy and handed on a plate and that because of the way you're born your suddenly privileged and have it easier than everyone else. And while this is correct for some things - it also leads to alot of these people feeling like their problems and issues are easily dismissed because gays/trans/black/foreign/immigrant/women have it harder. And in a sense that is also racial stereotyping to presume that someone has its easier than others due to their colour or gender. I also think through "equality" we are all suffering. One example is women in the workplace. A household could generally survive and buy a house and raise a family on one income 40 years ago. Now women have alot more rights in the work place we suddenly need 2 incomes to run a household and raise a family in most instances. How has this happened? Another example is that with so much focus on equality in pay there are alot of white working class men suffering as a result. CEOs like you said yourself are mostly men. While alot of those doing manual jobs which are lower paid are also men. And as a result alot of office and middle management roles get filled up with women to meet these "average equal pay targets". And who's winning from that? The CEOs and directors on big money. When it comes to BAME managers for instance it's usually compared against the number of BAME footballers in a league or country. But a large chunk of BAME footballers are foreign and only here for the duration of their contract before leaving. So I don't think that's the best measurement to use. Now that's not to say they're under represented, they are, but the metrics used sometimes can make it look worse than it is in some instances. We don't have alot of player managers these days so comparisons should be made against British born BAME players 20 years ago (rough duration of a career) rather than against current BAME representation in the league. What I'm saying above isn't me saying discrimination doesn't exist. It certainly does and I can recognise that there are certain things such as stop and check searches which are much more likely for black people compared to me and that is racial stereotyping. As well as many other examples you and others have provided. But ultimately I think class plays a much bigger role in where people end up and how they get treated than anything else. A black/asian person in a wealthy family going to private school such as Sunak or Braverman will get alot more opportunities than a white man born in a working class area. So for me it all comes down to the wealthy again who seem to benefit from these culture wars where they pit us against eachother but in reality we all know that the class your born into and the wealth of your parents has more influence on how you turn out than anything else. I can see both sides of the coin and I'm a huge supporter of equality for all. But I can sympathise with other white working class men too who feel things have been getting worse for them too and all they hear in the media is about equality for everyone else. And thus I can see why this then triggers them because they're also being fucked over by austerity but effectively being told they're privileged and their problems don't matter. Agree with all of that. Although I'll add regarding stop and search racial profiling isn't always a bad thing and is often necessary. Why should the police waste their time stopping and searching an elderly middle class white lady on her mobility scooter in Trentham when it's plainly obvious a black man with his trousers half way down his arse and an angry scowl on his face is the one more likely to be carrying a knife. It's just common sense. Works in reverse as well. Why should the police waste their time stopping and searching an elderly black lady on a match day in the harvester when it's plainly obvious the white lad with a stone island jacket on singing "who are ya" by the ground is the one most likely to be concealing a gram of beak. |
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Post by aureliuspotter on Oct 9, 2023 10:46:34 GMT
To be fair he does make some very valid points. I'm just trying to put another spin on it and balance the discussion up. Its too easy sometimes to block certain realities out because it harms the narrative for their main arguement. And that's what's been happening to white working class kids. They are currently doomed from the start of life and will end up a huge problem down the road. It shouldn't be ignored in the trampede to be seen as racially progressive. We are a good country in racial terms heading in the right direction. Still lots to achieve but simply peddling this story of us being inherently racist and ethnics can't get on in life here is an absolute lie. And a dangerous one. Thanks, Mickey. Shove that up your fudge pipe, Crappy Completely agree about white working class kids being failed educationally - but that's not the same as discrimination which, by definition, is deliberate and often enshrined in legislation. Is anyone on here really "peddling this story of us being inherently racist and ethnics can't get on in life here"? Perhaps you meant in general, away from the board, in which case fair enough and those voices should be challenged. But, I'd say that they are minority opinions, the flip side of the same coin that Crappy here bangs on about in relation to the 'persecution' of straight white males which, as I said, is arrant bollocks, frankly. Oh know you surely showed me 🙄😂 Like I said though he's wrong on that point you don't make any valid points. He's obviously more diplomatic than me, I'm more no nonsense and don't mind offending your feelings with facts.... shove that up your fudge chiprocket 😂 |
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Post by aureliuspotter on Oct 9, 2023 10:48:32 GMT
He doesn't make any valid points mate but the rest of your post again is spot on. Fair enough. I'll leave you pair to your squabble 😆 I'm done squabbling mate, got a works team meeting at 12. I'll let him have the last say because having the last say is important to these inscure types. Makes them feel important |
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 9, 2023 10:52:42 GMT
In which case, why are black people so underrepresented in positions in power in the workplace? According to you they benefit from positive discrimination but are still underrepresented in positions of power. There are two logical conclusions, either: 1. White people are inherently better than black people at work 2. You are wrong, and there is some form of prejudice against black people holding them back from getting positions of power. I think it is 2, and it is largely due to unconscious bias against people who are different to you. I cannot provide data to back that up, but that is my hypothesis. Just to jump into this there is a third option. Maybe certain people of certain backgrounds and beliefs just don't want to climb the ladder. Its similar to why dont you see any Asian (inc Chinese) or African/Caribbean residents in nursing homes. It seems unlikely that black British people, people of Caribbean origin and people of African origin all happen to share those beliefs and backgrounds. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 9, 2023 10:53:37 GMT
In which case, why are black people so underrepresented in positions in power in the workplace? According to you they benefit from positive discrimination but are still underrepresented in positions of power. There are two logical conclusions, either: 1. White people are inherently better than black people at work 2. You are wrong, and there is some form of prejudice against black people holding them back from getting positions of power. I think it is 2, and it is largely due to unconscious bias against people who are different to you. I cannot provide data to back that up, but that is my hypothesis. And my hypothesis is different mate and I trust mine more than I do yours. Care to share your hypothesis? I’m genuinely interested. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 9, 2023 10:54:16 GMT
Thanks, Mickey. Shove that up your fudge pipe, Crappy Completely agree about white working class kids being failed educationally - but that's not the same as discrimination which, by definition, is deliberate and often enshrined in legislation. Is anyone on here really "peddling this story of us being inherently racist and ethnics can't get on in life here"? Perhaps you meant in general, away from the board, in which case fair enough and those voices should be challenged. But, I'd say that they are minority opinions, the flip side of the same coin that Crappy here bangs on about in relation to the 'persecution' of straight white males which, as I said, is arrant bollocks, frankly. Oh know you surely showed me 🙄😂 Like I said though he's wrong on that point you don't make any valid points. He's obviously more diplomatic than me, I'm more no nonsense and don't mind offending your feelings with facts.... shove that up your fudge chiprocket 😂 Don't take it so much to heart, Crappy, it's just a discussion. You've done well to stick around as long as you have! And if and when you do finally get booted off again, you can use it to fuel your straight white male victimhood. Win win |
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 9, 2023 10:54:25 GMT
Abbot is a laughing stock. Don’t you get the irony? You complain frequently about Abbot and then do exactly what she does and see racism and discrimination but only from one side and where it isn’t there. You and Diane are the same. Too woke for your own goods. She is a laughing stock for normal people but for you and other Labour supporters she can do no wrong. I'm mint and ace like Trump. She is just like you. You are a match made in heaven. |
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