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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 9, 2023 8:28:31 GMT
* Promotions at work certainly. * Opportunities for work. * white lad chins another white lad = assault - A black lad chins a white lad = assault -A white lad chins a black lad = racially aggravated assault which carries a much harsher sentence. * white bloke makes a racist comment to a black = that's racist that is. - black bloke makes a racist comment to a white = blacks can't be racist towards whites / yea but it's different because of his 'lived experience', we should try to understand where his anger comes from. * White bloke wants to book a day off at work but there are too many off = tough shit - black bloke wants to book a day off at work but there are too many off = we better let him have it off or he'll say we're being racist. * Representation and Media Portrayal. Appearing in 95% of commercial ads despite being only what....10% of the population. * positive discrimination or in the US, affirmative action . * A white man mugs someone . Description in the newspaper reads " suspect is white , 6 foot 1, was wearing a red hoodie. - black man mugs someone. Description in the newspaper reads " suspect is 6 foot 1, was wearing a red hoodie. No mention of his race. * White commedian makes a joke about minorities = that's racist, ban him, cancel him, that's terrible. - a minority commedian makes a joke about a white man = he's so hilarious give him his own prime time TV show, he's such an inspiration. Russel Brand allegedly gets accused of sexual assault = cancel him he's a rapist. - black man gets accused of rape = let's wait till all the facts are clear before making judgement. 4.2% of the population of England Wales are Black, Black British, Caribbean or African according to the last census. If what you say above is true, you would expect to see significantly more than 4.2% of black CEOs of ftse 100 companies. There are currently none whatsoever. The responses you are getting are straight out of the BNP/Britain First playbook. I wouldn't bother to be honest mate. |
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Post by aureliuspotter on Oct 9, 2023 8:29:55 GMT
4.2% of the population of England Wales are Black, Black British, Caribbean or African according to the last census. If what you say above is true, you would expect to see significantly more than 4.2% of black CEOs of ftse 100 companies. There are currently none whatsoever. I wouldn't bother to be honest mate. Good advice. I don't know why them or you waste your time it's not like any of you will change my mind. Although I'd rather read from Britain 1sts playbook than Labours. |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 9, 2023 8:31:17 GMT
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 9, 2023 8:34:54 GMT
Oggy's right, you really do. I doubt whether most normal people even notice that stuff, let alone carry around a ready made list of examples in their head to reel off at will. It smacks less of unequal or unfair treatment of the white, straight male and much more of a touch of paranoia and a rather odd way of looking at the world. I don't but you and your ilk certainly do. Most normal people do notice these things and they notice it's leftys like you that push and promote it, hence why there is so much division in today's society. Well, not really. I'd wager that most normal people just see other folk as similarly normal people who share the same wishes: get a decent education, get a decent job, provide for your family, hope for the same for your offspring, have a nice holiday or two. I know that's how I think at any rate. It seems abnormal, especially for a straight, white male to think otherwise and to constantly nurse a giant grievance in the mistaken belief that they are somehow the oppressed minority! Blacks, Asians, Irish, gays, women...they've all suffered from prejudice and discrimination over decades, often legally enshrined discrimination. I don't see straight, white males ever having been in that position, nor are they now. Abnormal to think so. |
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Post by aureliuspotter on Oct 9, 2023 8:36:21 GMT
I don't but you and your ilk certainly do. Most normal people do notice these things and they notice it's leftys like you that push and promote it, hence why there is so much division in today's society. Well, not really. I'd wager that most normal people just see other folk as similarly normal people who share the same wishes: get a decent education, get a decent job, provide for your family, hope for the same for your offspring, have a nice holiday or two. I know that's how I think at any rate. It seems abnormal, especially for a straight, white male to think otherwise and to constantly nurse a giant grievance in the mistaken belief that they are somehow the oppressed minority! Blacks, Asiabs, Irish, gays, women...they've all suffered from prejudice and discrimination over decades, often legally enshrined discrimination. I don't see straight, white males ever having been in that position, nor are they now. Abnormal to think so. I agree with your first 2 paragraphs. I even agree with half of your final paragraph. Your last 2 sentences are wrong though. Edit. I didn't read your post properly. Your 2nd paragraph is wrong as well. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 9, 2023 8:36:28 GMT
I wouldn't bother to be honest mate. Good advice. I don't know why them or you waste your time it's not like any of you will change my mind. Although I'd rather read from Britain 1sts playbook than Labours. For a self-confessed "lifelong Labour voter" that's a weirdly contradictory (if totally unsurprising!) admission 🤣 |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 9, 2023 8:38:03 GMT
I take your point. But Dame Sharon White has done okay reaching the top. My point being we're no longer in the 50s. We have progressed and the doors have been opened. The UK is not a racist country on the whole despite there still being some backwards knuckle draggers knocking about. And its a real shame that some people try to paint the UK as otherwise. These people are actually doing more harm to race relations in this country than the minority of knuckle draggers in my honest opinion. We are not in the 1950s. Well, Aurelius is. But the rest of us aren’t. But that doesn’t mean racism is completed and we can ignore it from now on as it has gone. Racism will always exist. The UK is quite possibly one of the least racist countries on the planet. And people who try to make out otherwise do massive harm to race relations, because they are flat out lying. Lying generally to keep their various charity grifts and organisations going to keep the money rolling in. Look no further than the BLM spin offs and nonsense in the George Floyd aftermath. And listening to my kid coming back from school asking if me and him are racists or not. A school incidently that has a white attendance of under 15%. Good grief. Of course there is more to be done. As with every other issue we have in society. One I'm interested in is how white working class boys are falling through the floor in terms of academic achievement. You hear very little about that though don't you. |
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Post by aureliuspotter on Oct 9, 2023 8:38:24 GMT
Good advice. I don't know why them or you waste your time it's not like any of you will change my mind. Although I'd rather read from Britain 1sts playbook than Labours. For a self-confessed "lifelong Labour voter" that's a weirdly contradictory (if totally unsurprising!) admission 🤣 Not really. I've voted Labour all my life. Labour are different now though, they no longer stand for decency or the working man. They only care about minorities and woke issues. They lost my vote. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 9, 2023 8:40:42 GMT
Well, not really. I'd wager that most normal people just see other folk as similarly normal people who share the same wishes: get a decent education, get a decent job, provide for your family, hope for the same for your offspring, have a nice holiday or two. I know that's how I think at any rate. It seems abnormal, especially for a straight, white male to think otherwise and to constantly nurse a giant grievance in the mistaken belief that they are somehow the oppressed minority! Blacks, Asiabs, Irish, gays, women...they've all suffered from prejudice and discrimination over decades, often legally enshrined discrimination. I don't see straight, white males ever having been in that position, nor are they now. Abnormal to think so. I agree with your first 2 paragraphs. I even agree with half of your final paragraph. Your last 2 sentences are wrong though. Edit. I didn't read your post properly. Your 2nd paragraph is wrong as well. If you can show me examples of where straight, white males have been routinely and consistently discriminated against, preferably through legislation, I might be persuaded. To help, have a think about voting rights, equal pay, employment opportunities, being able to join the armed forces, sexuality laws etc etc etc... |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 9, 2023 8:41:48 GMT
For a self-confessed "lifelong Labour voter" that's a weirdly contradictory (if totally unsurprising!) admission 🤣 Not really. I've voted Labour all my life. Labour are different now though, they no longer stand for decency or the working man. They only care about minorities and woke issues. They lost my vote. I smell bullshit 🤣 |
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Post by aureliuspotter on Oct 9, 2023 8:48:13 GMT
I agree with your first 2 paragraphs. I even agree with half of your final paragraph. Your last 2 sentences are wrong though. Edit. I didn't read your post properly. Your 2nd paragraph is wrong as well. If you can show me examples of where straight, white males have been routinely and consistently discriminated against, preferably through legislation, I might be persuaded. To help, have a think about voting rights, equal pay, employment opportunities, being able to join the armed forces, sexuality laws etc etc etc... I provided a long list above. Positive discrimination being a good example. If you can provide me with one single law or legislation in this country that discriminates against any minority of any kind I'll back track and become a fully paid and signed up Labour member by the end of today. |
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Post by aureliuspotter on Oct 9, 2023 8:48:41 GMT
Not really. I've voted Labour all my life. Labour are different now though, they no longer stand for decency or the working man. They only care about minorities and woke issues. They lost my vote. I smell bullshit 🤣 Your mouths too close to you nose 😉 😂 |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 9, 2023 9:05:03 GMT
If you can show me examples of where straight, white males have been routinely and consistently discriminated against, preferably through legislation, I might be persuaded. To help, have a think about voting rights, equal pay, employment opportunities, being able to join the armed forces, sexuality laws etc etc etc... I provided a long list above. Positive discrimination being a good example. If you can provide me with one single law or legislation in this country that discriminates against any minority of any kind I'll back track and become a fully paid and signed up Labour member by the end of today. That wasn't the point. The point was there used to be loads of such laws and, beyond laws, practices that actively discriminated against all those minorities: voting rights, housing rights, what job you could take, who you could marry, how you were treated generally etc etc. That has never been the case for straight, white males. As I said before, growing up a straight, white male in the west is to have won life's lottery. To think otherwise is highly abnormal and evidence of a bit of a chip on the shoulder, as Oggy rightly pointed out. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 9, 2023 9:06:44 GMT
Your mouths too close to you nose 😉 😂  For someone who is a "lifelong Labour voter" to "suddenly" embrace Trump, Braverman, Laurence Fox, Priti Patel and the like and say how ace they are....nahhh, you're not fooling anyone! |
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Post by aureliuspotter on Oct 9, 2023 9:07:45 GMT
I provided a long list above. Positive discrimination being a good example. If you can provide me with one single law or legislation in this country that discriminates against any minority of any kind I'll back track and become a fully paid and signed up Labour member by the end of today. That wasn't the point. The point was there used to be loads of such laws and, beyond laws, practices that actively discriminated against all those minorities: voting rights, housing rights, what job you could take, who you could marry, how you were treated generally etc etc. That has never been the case for straight, white males. As I said before, growing up a straight, white male in the west is to have won life's lottery. To think otherwise is highly abnormal and evidence of a bit of a chip on the shoulder, as Oggy rightly pointed out. You could of just said no and admitted you are wrong and were trying to push a fake narrative to suit your lefty agenda. Would of been easier than writing all of that waffle |
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Post by aureliuspotter on Oct 9, 2023 9:08:55 GMT
Your mouths too close to you nose 😉 😂 For someone who is a "lifelong Labour voter" to "suddenly" embrace Trump, Braverman, Laurence Fox, Priti Patel and the like and say how ace they are....nahhh, you're not fooling anyone! And neither are you I can't remember saying I'd suddenly embraced Trump, Braverman, Fox or Patel and the like though. You've just made that up 👀 |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 9, 2023 9:09:58 GMT
I agree with your first 2 paragraphs. I even agree with half of your final paragraph. Your last 2 sentences are wrong though. Edit. I didn't read your post properly. Your 2nd paragraph is wrong as well. If you can show me examples of where straight, white males have been routinely and consistently discriminated against, preferably through legislation, I might be persuaded. To help, have a think about voting rights, equal pay, employment opportunities, being able to join the armed forces, sexuality laws etc etc etc... Have a look into white working class male achievement in schools. You might be surprised. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 9, 2023 9:16:00 GMT
That wasn't the point. The point was there used to be loads of such laws and, beyond laws, practices that actively discriminated against all those minorities: voting rights, housing rights, what job you could take, who you could marry, how you were treated generally etc etc. That has never been the case for straight, white males. As I said before, growing up a straight, white male in the west is to have won life's lottery. To think otherwise is highly abnormal and evidence of a bit of a chip on the shoulder, as Oggy rightly pointed out. You could of just said no and admitted you are wrong and were trying to push a fake narrative to suit your lefty agenda. Would of been easier than writing all of that waffle Unable to provide some examples of where straight white males have been routinely legislatively discriminated against? All your examples are little more than your own subjective prejudices coming to the fore. Legislation that enshrines discrimination if you would. Like no gays in the military, like women being denied the vote, like housing discrimination against blacks, Asians and Irish, etc etc. Come on, Crappy, we both know you won't find anything like that, so very little point playing the chip-on-the-shoulder victim all the time. The straight white male has it easy in this country and throughout most of the world. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 9, 2023 9:16:58 GMT
For someone who is a "lifelong Labour voter" to "suddenly" embrace Trump, Braverman, Laurence Fox, Priti Patel and the like and say how ace they are....nahhh, you're not fooling anyone! And neither are you I can't remember saying I'd suddenly embraced Trump, Braverman, Fox or Patel and the like though. You've just made that up 👀 You've said all of them are ace or great or mint or other such words of endorsement...don't start fibbing now |
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 9, 2023 9:18:17 GMT
Unless you think white people are inherently better than black people at work, there should be 4.2% if based on merit. It shouldn't. Merit should be based on merit . Promoting someone based on skin colour isn't merit. If the person with the merit is black then he should get the job if the person with the merit is white then he should get the job. Its really not difficult. Unlike you I don't think someone is more worthy because they're black. You don’t understand percentages. If we are all the same and everything is done on merit, black people should be represented by 4.2% of ftse 100 CEOs. Unless you think white people are naturally better than black at work? |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 9, 2023 9:22:47 GMT
If you can show me examples of where straight, white males have been routinely and consistently discriminated against, preferably through legislation, I might be persuaded. To help, have a think about voting rights, equal pay, employment opportunities, being able to join the armed forces, sexuality laws etc etc etc... Have a look into white working class male achievement in schools. You might be surprised. I agree. But does that really signify deliberate discrimination against white working class males? I suspect it is more symptomatic of the difference between how many non-white working class families raise their kids and how white working class families do - and the relative emphases that each put on doing well at school. I don't see it as deliberate discrimination - more likely to be a case of underfunding of the education system. Although it's interesting that, given that many families of ethnic origin have traditionally been housed and schooled in poorer parts of the country, their kids do better - which does tend to support my assumption that it's their family upbringing that plays a significant part in their doing so. |
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Post by aureliuspotter on Oct 9, 2023 9:26:05 GMT
You could of just said no and admitted you are wrong and were trying to push a fake narrative to suit your lefty agenda. Would of been easier than writing all of that waffle Unable to provide some examples of where straight white males have been routinely legislatively discriminated against? All your examples are little more than your own subjective prejudices coming to the fore. Legislation that enshrines discrimination if you would. Like no gays in the military, like women being denied the vote, like housing discrimination against blacks, Asians and Irish, etc etc. Come on, Crappy, we both know you won't find anything like that, so very little point playing the chip-on-the-shoulder victim all the time. The straight white male has it easy in this country and throughout most of the world. Calm down chiprocket it's not worth getting yourself all angry over 👀 I refer you to my long list above. You managed find any laws or legislations where minorities are discriminated against yet or was that something else that you just made up? |
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Post by aureliuspotter on Oct 9, 2023 9:28:52 GMT
Have a look into white working class male achievement in schools. You might be surprised. I agree. But does that really signify deliberate discrimination against white working class males? I suspect it is more symptomatic of the difference between how many non-white working class families raise their kids and how white working class families do - and the relative emphases that each put on doing well at school. I don't see it as deliberate discrimination - more likely to be a case of underfunding of the education system. Although it's interesting that, given that many families of ethnic origin have traditionally been housed and schooled in poorer parts of the country, their kids do better - which does tend to support my assumption that it's their family upbringing that plays a significant part in their doing so. So because YOU don't see it that means it's not happening. Because YOU are judge and jury 🙄 When whites don't succeed it's their family upbringing but when blacks don't succeed it's racism ? Your hypocrisy and self loathing is astounding. I'd hate to think like you. Thankfully most blacks and whites in this country co exist and get along just fine despite your best efforts to divide and conquer. |
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Post by aureliuspotter on Oct 9, 2023 9:31:30 GMT
And neither are you I can't remember saying I'd suddenly embraced Trump, Braverman, Fox or Patel and the like though. You've just made that up 👀 You've said all of them are ace or great or mint or other such words of endorsement...don't start fibbing now I didn't say I embraced them though. You just made that up. Trump is ace and mint and a legend. I embrace trump. Braverman I don't know much about but I like her asylum seeker rhetoric. Fox is ace and mint as well but I don't embrace him 👀 Patel - I just said I'd pull her giving half the chance, I'd definitely embrace her |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 9, 2023 9:31:51 GMT
Have a look into white working class male achievement in schools. You might be surprised. I agree. But does that really signify deliberate discrimination against white working class males? I suspect it is more symptomatic of the difference between how many non-white working class families raise their kids and how white working class families do - and the relative emphases that each put on doing well at school. I don't see it as deliberate discrimination - more likely to be a case of underfunding of the education system. Although it's interesting that, given that many families of ethnic origin have traditionally been housed and schooled in poorer parts of the country, their kids do better - which does tend to support my assumption that it's their family upbringing that plays a significant part in their doing so. I think your cultural assumptions are indeed correct. A lot of ethnic groups do prioritise the education of their kids. But white working class boys are declining rapidly in the education sector and its going to lead to huge societal problems if people are prepared to look further than 5 mins down the road. 18 year old uneducated white working class kids ain't going to pay too much attention to how horrible racism is for their educated ethnic peers. Its gonna produce an awful lot of resentment and cause racial conflict. Not good planning really and definitely to the detriment of race relations. So my opinion is less of the all white people are racist bigots, the uk is a horrible place and all ethnic people are victims of racism and let's move forward as we already are doing and create equal opportunity for all children. Leaving white working class boys behind is simply wrong and it should be discussed way more than it is. Its currently being ignored almost completely. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 9, 2023 9:33:33 GMT
When do they get favourable treatment? Not during childbirth, or when it comes to pay, or promotions at work. * Promotions at work certainly. * Opportunities for work. * white lad chins another white lad = assault - A black lad chins a white lad = assault -A white lad chins a black lad = racially aggravated assault which carries a much harsher sentence. * white bloke makes a racist comment to a black = that's racist that is. - black bloke makes a racist comment to a white = blacks can't be racist towards whites / yea but it's different because of his 'lived experience', we should try to understand where his anger comes from. * White bloke wants to book a day off at work but there are too many off = tough shit - black bloke wants to book a day off at work but there are too many off = we better let him have it off or he'll say we're being racist. * Representation and Media Portrayal. Appearing in 95% of commercial ads despite being only what....10% of the population. * positive discrimination or in the US, affirmative action . * A white man mugs someone . Description in the newspaper reads " suspect is white , 6 foot 1, was wearing a red hoodie. - black man mugs someone. Description in the newspaper reads " suspect is 6 foot 1, was wearing a red hoodie. No mention of his race. * White commedian makes a joke about minorities = that's racist, ban him, cancel him, that's terrible. - a minority commedian makes a joke about a white man = he's so hilarious give him his own prime time TV show, he's such an inspiration. Russel Brand allegedly gets accused of sexual assault = cancel him he's a rapist. - black man gets accused of rape = let's wait till all the facts are clear before making judgement. You sound like a white Diane Abbot. |
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Post by aureliuspotter on Oct 9, 2023 9:33:58 GMT
It shouldn't. Merit should be based on merit . Promoting someone based on skin colour isn't merit. If the person with the merit is black then he should get the job if the person with the merit is white then he should get the job. Its really not difficult. Unlike you I don't think someone is more worthy because they're black. You don’t understand percentages. If we are all the same and everything is done on merit, black people should be represented by 4.2% of ftse 100 CEOs. Unless you think white people are naturally better than black at work? I do understand percentages I'm mint at maths. We aren't all the same though, some people are better than others, not because of race , because of the person as an individual. Some blacks are better than whites and some whites are better than blacks. The best from either group should be the one that gets the job and if you think differently you are a racist. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 9, 2023 9:35:06 GMT
I agree. But does that really signify deliberate discrimination against white working class males? I suspect it is more symptomatic of the difference between how many non-white working class families raise their kids and how white working class families do - and the relative emphases that each put on doing well at school. I don't see it as deliberate discrimination - more likely to be a case of underfunding of the education system. Although it's interesting that, given that many families of ethnic origin have traditionally been housed and schooled in poorer parts of the country, their kids do better - which does tend to support my assumption that it's their family upbringing that plays a significant part in their doing so. I think your cultural assumptions are indeed correct. A lot of ethnic groups do prioritise the education of their kids. But white working class boys are declining rapidly in the education sector and its going to lead to huge societal problems if people are prepared to look further than 5 mins down the road. 18 year old uneducated white working class kids ain't going to pay too much attention to how horrible racism is for their educated ethnic peers. Its gonna produce an awful lot of resentment and cause racial conflict. Not good planning really and definitely to the detriment of race relations. So my opinion is less of the all white people are racist bigots, the uk is a horrible place and all ethnic people are victims of racism and let's move forward as we already are doing and create equal opportunity for all children. Leaving white working class boys behind is simply wrong and it should be discussed way more than it is. Its currently being ignored almost completely. You are right about white working class boys underachieving in schools. White middle class boys are not underachieving and neither are white working class girls. So this is a class and gender thing more than a race thing. This is not the fault of the immigrant of black person. |
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Post by aureliuspotter on Oct 9, 2023 9:36:44 GMT
* Promotions at work certainly. * Opportunities for work. * white lad chins another white lad = assault - A black lad chins a white lad = assault -A white lad chins a black lad = racially aggravated assault which carries a much harsher sentence. * white bloke makes a racist comment to a black = that's racist that is. - black bloke makes a racist comment to a white = blacks can't be racist towards whites / yea but it's different because of his 'lived experience', we should try to understand where his anger comes from. * White bloke wants to book a day off at work but there are too many off = tough shit - black bloke wants to book a day off at work but there are too many off = we better let him have it off or he'll say we're being racist. * Representation and Media Portrayal. Appearing in 95% of commercial ads despite being only what....10% of the population. * positive discrimination or in the US, affirmative action . * A white man mugs someone . Description in the newspaper reads " suspect is white , 6 foot 1, was wearing a red hoodie. - black man mugs someone. Description in the newspaper reads " suspect is 6 foot 1, was wearing a red hoodie. No mention of his race. * White commedian makes a joke about minorities = that's racist, ban him, cancel him, that's terrible. - a minority commedian makes a joke about a white man = he's so hilarious give him his own prime time TV show, he's such an inspiration. Russel Brand allegedly gets accused of sexual assault = cancel him he's a rapist. - black man gets accused of rape = let's wait till all the facts are clear before making judgement. You sound like a white Diane Abbot. Which is fine surely? If it's OK for Abbot then surely it's OK for me or is it different because she's black. Does she get a free pass but I don't ? |
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 9, 2023 9:39:42 GMT
You don’t understand percentages. If we are all the same and everything is done on merit, black people should be represented by 4.2% of ftse 100 CEOs. Unless you think white people are naturally better than black at work? I do understand percentages I'm mint at maths. We aren't all the same though, some people are better than others, not because of race , because of the person as an individual. Some blacks are better than whites and some whites are better than blacks. The best from either group should be the one that gets th3 job and if you think differently you are a racist. In which case, why are black people so underrepresented in positions in power in the workplace? According to you they benefit from positive discrimination but are still underrepresented in positions of power. There are two logical conclusions, either: 1. White people are inherently better than black people at work 2. You are wrong, and there is some form of prejudice against black people holding them back from getting positions of power. I think it is 2, and it is largely due to unconscious bias against people who are different to you. I cannot provide data to back that up, but that is my hypothesis. |
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