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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 8, 2023 18:32:53 GMT
After the general election of course Ye, no point doing it now. That’s what Big Nige said and he’s nearly always right. It wouldn’t make any sense no since he doesn’t subscribe to many of their current policies and realises they getting rinsed at the GE |
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 8, 2023 18:57:22 GMT
It has absolutely no material impact on education. Illegal immigration (which doesn’t really exist) so what we are really talking about is small boats. That is a culture war. Immigration as a whole isn’t. Small boats don’t materially impact the vast majority of our lives. Obviously a competent home office would mean we would be spending so much money housing asylum seekers, and they would be able to work and pay tax and afford their own housing whilst their claims are pending, and it would mean we could focus more money on important issues. Perceived racism (which someone from an ethnic minority may call racism) doesn’t materially impact you as a white person. It isn’t really for you to be able to say with any authority about how non-white people are treated, because you haven’t ever experienced it. The length of time for an ambulance to come to the aid of a loved one, or to get a cancer scan, or to see a GP, or the ability to be able to buy food for your kids, to buy a house, to afford your rent, or to heat your home: these are the issues that impact the vast majority of us. That is what Labour are talking about. - It doesn't matter what they call it. What matters is is it actual racism, perceived racism, or the race card being pulled out.
It isn’t really for you to be able to say with any authority about how non-white people are treated - I don't need permission to have an opinion and my opinion is as relevant as anyone elses. Just because im white that doesnt mean my opinion is worth less and just because someone is brown that doesn't mean their opinion is worth more.
because you haven’t ever experienced it - How do you know what I have or haven't experienced. Racism cuts both ways. You have no idea what it is like to be black in this country. So I don’t think you can speak with much authority over the subject of racism towards black people (or others). Neither can I. But for you dismiss it all is wrong because the facts about pay and appointment to senior positions and deaths in childbirth for example speak for themselves. |
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Post by aureliuspotter on Oct 8, 2023 19:10:51 GMT
Perceived racism (which someone from an ethnic minority may call racism) - It doesn't matter what they call it. What matters is is it actual racism, perceived racism, or the race card being pulled out.
It isn’t really for you to be able to say with any authority about how non-white people are treated - I don't need permission to have an opinion and my opinion is as relevant as anyone elses. Just because im white that doesnt mean my opinion is worth less and just because someone is brown that doesn't mean their opinion is worth more.
because you haven’t ever experienced it - How do you know what I have or haven't experienced. Racism cuts both ways. You have no idea what it is like to be black in this country. So I don’t think you can speak with much authority over the subject of racism towards black people (or others). Neither can I. But for you dismiss it all is wrong because the facts about pay and appointment to senior positions and deaths in childbirth for example speak for themselves. And blacks have no idea what it's like to be a white working class lad from a rough council estate. What I do know is how blacks often get special treatment for no other reason than they're black. What I do know is how many play the race card when there is no racism being perpetrated. What I do know is that being black in the UK today puts you at no disadvantage when it comes to housing or jobs or anything else, if anything it's the exact opposite. There will surely be blacks that are disadvantaged but they aren't disadvantaged because they're black. This isn't 1950s alabama, it's 2023 Britain which is probably the best country on earth to be black in. My position about pay and childbirth is also spot on and factually correct. The funny thing is 99.99% of blacks I've ever met and interacted with DO agree with me. They hate how the government and other lefty organisations like Labour and BLM try to paint them as victims. They don't want to be seen as victims, they want to be seen as normal fellow Brits because that's what they are. |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 8, 2023 20:08:57 GMT
Vote winner this.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 8, 2023 20:11:26 GMT
Absolutely. That’s if she wasn’t a lying prick |
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Post by aureliuspotter on Oct 8, 2023 20:26:52 GMT
Absolutely. That’s if she wasn’t a lying prick She's Labour so I wouldn't trust a word she says. Labour are dead certs to win the next GE either way. Not because people want Labour but because they want to send a message to this current lot of snakes. It will Tory again in 5 years time and cycle will repeat . |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 8, 2023 20:39:15 GMT
Absolutely. That’s if she wasn’t a lying prick She's Labour so I wouldn't trust a word she says. Labour are dead certs to win the next GE either way. Not because people want Labour but because they want to send a message to this current lot of snakes. It will Tory again in 5 years time and cycle will repeat . It will and they’ll all be dancing to Big Nige’s tune |
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 8, 2023 20:39:42 GMT
You have no idea what it is like to be black in this country. So I don’t think you can speak with much authority over the subject of racism towards black people (or others). Neither can I. But for you dismiss it all is wrong because the facts about pay and appointment to senior positions and deaths in childbirth for example speak for themselves. And blacks have no idea what it's like to be a white working class lad from a rough council estate. What I do know is how blacks often get special treatment for no other reason than they're black. What I do know is how many play the race card when there is no racism being perpetrated. What I do know is that being black in the UK today puts you at no disadvantage when it comes to housing or jobs or anything else, if anything it's the exact opposite. There will surely be blacks that are disadvantaged but they aren't disadvantaged because they're black. This isn't 1950s alabama, it's 2023 Britain which is probably the best country on earth to be black in. My position about pay and childbirth is also spot on and factually correct. The funny thing is 99.99% of blacks I've ever met and interacted with DO agree with me. They hate how the government and other lefty organisations like Labour and BLM try to paint them as victims. They don't want to be seen as victims, they want to be seen as normal fellow Brits because that's what they are. When do they get favourable treatment? Not during childbirth, or when it comes to pay, or promotions at work. |
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Post by aureliuspotter on Oct 8, 2023 21:40:55 GMT
And blacks have no idea what it's like to be a white working class lad from a rough council estate. What I do know is how blacks often get special treatment for no other reason than they're black. What I do know is how many play the race card when there is no racism being perpetrated. What I do know is that being black in the UK today puts you at no disadvantage when it comes to housing or jobs or anything else, if anything it's the exact opposite. There will surely be blacks that are disadvantaged but they aren't disadvantaged because they're black. This isn't 1950s alabama, it's 2023 Britain which is probably the best country on earth to be black in. My position about pay and childbirth is also spot on and factually correct. The funny thing is 99.99% of blacks I've ever met and interacted with DO agree with me. They hate how the government and other lefty organisations like Labour and BLM try to paint them as victims. They don't want to be seen as victims, they want to be seen as normal fellow Brits because that's what they are. When do they get favourable treatment? Not during childbirth, or when it comes to pay, or promotions at work. * Promotions at work certainly. * Opportunities for work. * white lad chins another white lad = assault - A black lad chins a white lad = assault -A white lad chins a black lad = racially aggravated assault which carries a much harsher sentence. * white bloke makes a racist comment to a black = that's racist that is. - black bloke makes a racist comment to a white = blacks can't be racist towards whites / yea but it's different because of his 'lived experience', we should try to understand where his anger comes from. * White bloke wants to book a day off at work but there are too many off = tough shit - black bloke wants to book a day off at work but there are too many off = we better let him have it off or he'll say we're being racist. * Representation and Media Portrayal. Appearing in 95% of commercial ads despite being only what....10% of the population. * positive discrimination or in the US, affirmative action . * A white man mugs someone . Description in the newspaper reads " suspect is white , 6 foot 1, was wearing a red hoodie. - black man mugs someone. Description in the newspaper reads " suspect is 6 foot 1, was wearing a red hoodie. No mention of his race. * White commedian makes a joke about minorities = that's racist, ban him, cancel him, that's terrible. - a minority commedian makes a joke about a white man = he's so hilarious give him his own prime time TV show, he's such an inspiration. Russel Brand allegedly gets accused of sexual assault = cancel him he's a rapist. - black man gets accused of rape = let's wait till all the facts are clear before making judgement. |
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Post by peterthornesboots on Oct 8, 2023 22:15:58 GMT
I have just posted on another thread that this is a really positive move (as long as they follow through). This is something that everyone should get behind. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 8, 2023 22:26:11 GMT
Just how low can you sink, Tories attempting to (inaccurately) use the tragedy in Israel, to denigrate Labour?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 8, 2023 23:32:55 GMT
Good grief, satire is definitely not dead ...
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Post by henry on Oct 9, 2023 6:31:01 GMT
Sounds great, but it will get shutdown before it gets off the ground. Too many rich people made too much money. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 9, 2023 6:39:04 GMT
When do they get favourable treatment? Not during childbirth, or when it comes to pay, or promotions at work. * Promotions at work certainly. * Opportunities for work. * white lad chins another white lad = assault - A black lad chins a white lad = assault -A white lad chins a black lad = racially aggravated assault which carries a much harsher sentence. * white bloke makes a racist comment to a black = that's racist that is. - black bloke makes a racist comment to a white = blacks can't be racist towards whites / yea but it's different because of his 'lived experience', we should try to understand where his anger comes from. * White bloke wants to book a day off at work but there are too many off = tough shit - black bloke wants to book a day off at work but there are too many off = we better let him have it off or he'll say we're being racist. * Representation and Media Portrayal. Appearing in 95% of commercial ads despite being only what....10% of the population. * positive discrimination or in the US, affirmative action . * A white man mugs someone . Description in the newspaper reads " suspect is white , 6 foot 1, was wearing a red hoodie. - black man mugs someone. Description in the newspaper reads " suspect is 6 foot 1, was wearing a red hoodie. No mention of his race. * White commedian makes a joke about minorities = that's racist, ban him, cancel him, that's terrible. - a minority commedian makes a joke about a white man = he's so hilarious give him his own prime time TV show, he's such an inspiration. Russel Brand allegedly gets accused of sexual assault = cancel him he's a rapist. - black man gets accused of rape = let's wait till all the facts are clear before making judgement. You have such a big chip on your shoulder. Absolute rubbish. |
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Post by aureliuspotter on Oct 9, 2023 7:27:08 GMT
* Promotions at work certainly. * Opportunities for work. * white lad chins another white lad = assault - A black lad chins a white lad = assault -A white lad chins a black lad = racially aggravated assault which carries a much harsher sentence. * white bloke makes a racist comment to a black = that's racist that is. - black bloke makes a racist comment to a white = blacks can't be racist towards whites / yea but it's different because of his 'lived experience', we should try to understand where his anger comes from. * White bloke wants to book a day off at work but there are too many off = tough shit - black bloke wants to book a day off at work but there are too many off = we better let him have it off or he'll say we're being racist. * Representation and Media Portrayal. Appearing in 95% of commercial ads despite being only what....10% of the population. * positive discrimination or in the US, affirmative action . * A white man mugs someone . Description in the newspaper reads " suspect is white , 6 foot 1, was wearing a red hoodie. - black man mugs someone. Description in the newspaper reads " suspect is 6 foot 1, was wearing a red hoodie. No mention of his race. * White commedian makes a joke about minorities = that's racist, ban him, cancel him, that's terrible. - a minority commedian makes a joke about a white man = he's so hilarious give him his own prime time TV show, he's such an inspiration. Russel Brand allegedly gets accused of sexual assault = cancel him he's a rapist. - black man gets accused of rape = let's wait till all the facts are clear before making judgement. You have such a big chip on your shoulder. Absolute rubbish. I don't, and all spot on. |
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Post by lordb on Oct 9, 2023 7:31:35 GMT
Absolutely. That’s if she wasn’t a lying prick She's Labour so I wouldn't trust a word she says. Labour are dead certs to win the next GE either way. Not because people want Labour but because they want to send a message to this current lot of snakes. It will Tory again in 5 years time and cycle will repeat . What cycle? We haven't gone from one party to another and back to the other party at first of asking since 1974 And before that it was 1952 We keep same party in for at least two elections, and often 3,over and over If Labour win the GE then they probably win the one after too |
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Post by lordb on Oct 9, 2023 7:33:09 GMT
You have such a big chip on your shoulder. Absolute rubbish. I don't, and all spot on. Specifically which black man acussed of rape are you referring to? |
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Post by aureliuspotter on Oct 9, 2023 7:36:15 GMT
She's Labour so I wouldn't trust a word she says. Labour are dead certs to win the next GE either way. Not because people want Labour but because they want to send a message to this current lot of snakes. It will Tory again in 5 years time and cycle will repeat . What cycle? We haven't gone from one party to another and back to the other party at first of asking since 1974 And before that it was 1952 We keep same party in for at least two elections, and often 3,over and over If Labour win the GE then they probably win the one after too Ye so its a cycle. Labour will win the next 1,2 or even 3 then the Torys will do the same then Labour again. That cycle. |
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Post by elystokie on Oct 9, 2023 7:36:54 GMT
She's Labour so I wouldn't trust a word she says. Labour are dead certs to win the next GE either way. Not because people want Labour but because they want to send a message to this current lot of snakes. It will Tory again in 5 years time and cycle will repeat . What cycle? We haven't gone from one party to another and back to the other party at first of asking since 1974 And before that it was 1952 We keep same party in for at least two elections, and often 3,over and over If Labour win the GE then they probably win the one after too If we stick to this two party system I'd obviously rather have Labour than the crooks but I fear there'll be a house price crash in their tenure that may well do for them. Hopefully I'm miles out. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 9, 2023 7:45:47 GMT
When do they get favourable treatment? Not during childbirth, or when it comes to pay, or promotions at work. * Promotions at work certainly. * Opportunities for work. * white lad chins another white lad = assault - A black lad chins a white lad = assault -A white lad chins a black lad = racially aggravated assault which carries a much harsher sentence. * white bloke makes a racist comment to a black = that's racist that is. - black bloke makes a racist comment to a white = blacks can't be racist towards whites / yea but it's different because of his 'lived experience', we should try to understand where his anger comes from. * White bloke wants to book a day off at work but there are too many off = tough shit - black bloke wants to book a day off at work but there are too many off = we better let him have it off or he'll say we're being racist. * Representation and Media Portrayal. Appearing in 95% of commercial ads despite being only what....10% of the population. * positive discrimination or in the US, affirmative action . * A white man mugs someone . Description in the newspaper reads " suspect is white , 6 foot 1, was wearing a red hoodie. - black man mugs someone. Description in the newspaper reads " suspect is 6 foot 1, was wearing a red hoodie. No mention of his race. * White commedian makes a joke about minorities = that's racist, ban him, cancel him, that's terrible. - a minority commedian makes a joke about a white man = he's so hilarious give him his own prime time TV show, he's such an inspiration. Russel Brand allegedly gets accused of sexual assault = cancel him he's a rapist. - black man gets accused of rape = let's wait till all the facts are clear before making judgement. 4.2% of the population of England Wales are Black, Black British, Caribbean or African according to the last census. If what you say above is true, you would expect to see significantly more than 4.2% of black CEOs of ftse 100 companies. There are currently none whatsoever. |
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Post by aureliuspotter on Oct 9, 2023 7:52:53 GMT
* Promotions at work certainly. * Opportunities for work. * white lad chins another white lad = assault - A black lad chins a white lad = assault -A white lad chins a black lad = racially aggravated assault which carries a much harsher sentence. * white bloke makes a racist comment to a black = that's racist that is. - black bloke makes a racist comment to a white = blacks can't be racist towards whites / yea but it's different because of his 'lived experience', we should try to understand where his anger comes from. * White bloke wants to book a day off at work but there are too many off = tough shit - black bloke wants to book a day off at work but there are too many off = we better let him have it off or he'll say we're being racist. * Representation and Media Portrayal. Appearing in 95% of commercial ads despite being only what....10% of the population. * positive discrimination or in the US, affirmative action . * A white man mugs someone . Description in the newspaper reads " suspect is white , 6 foot 1, was wearing a red hoodie. - black man mugs someone. Description in the newspaper reads " suspect is 6 foot 1, was wearing a red hoodie. No mention of his race. * White commedian makes a joke about minorities = that's racist, ban him, cancel him, that's terrible. - a minority commedian makes a joke about a white man = he's so hilarious give him his own prime time TV show, he's such an inspiration. Russel Brand allegedly gets accused of sexual assault = cancel him he's a rapist. - black man gets accused of rape = let's wait till all the facts are clear before making judgement. 4.2% of the population of England Wales are Black, Black British, Caribbean or African according to the last census. If what you say above is true, you would expect to see significantly more than 4.2% of black CEOs of ftse 100 companies. There are currently none whatsoever. Not if promotions to them roles are based on merit. |
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Post by lordb on Oct 9, 2023 7:58:27 GMT
What cycle? We haven't gone from one party to another and back to the other party at first of asking since 1974 And before that it was 1952 We keep same party in for at least two elections, and often 3,over and over If Labour win the GE then they probably win the one after too Ye so its a cycle. Labour will win the next 1,2 or even 3 then the Torys will do the same then Labour again. That cycle. So not 5 years then |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 9, 2023 7:59:33 GMT
* Promotions at work certainly. * Opportunities for work. * white lad chins another white lad = assault - A black lad chins a white lad = assault -A white lad chins a black lad = racially aggravated assault which carries a much harsher sentence. * white bloke makes a racist comment to a black = that's racist that is. - black bloke makes a racist comment to a white = blacks can't be racist towards whites / yea but it's different because of his 'lived experience', we should try to understand where his anger comes from. * White bloke wants to book a day off at work but there are too many off = tough shit - black bloke wants to book a day off at work but there are too many off = we better let him have it off or he'll say we're being racist. * Representation and Media Portrayal. Appearing in 95% of commercial ads despite being only what....10% of the population. * positive discrimination or in the US, affirmative action . * A white man mugs someone . Description in the newspaper reads " suspect is white , 6 foot 1, was wearing a red hoodie. - black man mugs someone. Description in the newspaper reads " suspect is 6 foot 1, was wearing a red hoodie. No mention of his race. * White commedian makes a joke about minorities = that's racist, ban him, cancel him, that's terrible. - a minority commedian makes a joke about a white man = he's so hilarious give him his own prime time TV show, he's such an inspiration. Russel Brand allegedly gets accused of sexual assault = cancel him he's a rapist. - black man gets accused of rape = let's wait till all the facts are clear before making judgement. 4.2% of the population of England Wales are Black, Black British, Caribbean or African according to the last census. If what you say above is true, you would expect to see significantly more than 4.2% of black CEOs of ftse 100 companies. There are currently none whatsoever. I take your point. But Dame Sharon White has done okay reaching the top. My point being we're no longer in the 50s. We have progressed and the doors have been opened. The UK is not a racist country on the whole despite there still being some backwards knuckle draggers knocking about. And its a real shame that some people try to paint the UK as otherwise. These people are actually doing more harm to race relations in this country than the minority of knuckle draggers in my honest opinion. |
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Post by aureliuspotter on Oct 9, 2023 8:05:07 GMT
Ye so its a cycle. Labour will win the next 1,2 or even 3 then the Torys will do the same then Labour again. That cycle. So not 5 years then Possibly, but not necessarily. |
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Post by aureliuspotter on Oct 9, 2023 8:08:57 GMT
4.2% of the population of England Wales are Black, Black British, Caribbean or African according to the last census. If what you say above is true, you would expect to see significantly more than 4.2% of black CEOs of ftse 100 companies. There are currently none whatsoever. I take your point. But Dame Sharon White has done okay reaching the top. My point being we're no longer in the 50s. We have progressed and the doors have been opened. The UK is not a racist country on the whole despite there still being some backwards knuckle draggers knocking about. And its a real shame that some people try to paint the UK as otherwise. These people are actually doing more harm to race relations in this country than the minority of knuckle draggers in my honest opinion. Lets ignore people like Raj Tulsiani as that doesn't suit the whitey = bad , minorities = should be given special treatment narrative. There are plenty of minorities in CEO and top management position roles in the UK and the world over and there are plenty of whites in shitty minimum wage jobs working beneath them. That doesn't bother me though because I don't care what colour someone is, I think roles should be given based on merit, old fashioned I know but there we are. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 9, 2023 8:09:49 GMT
4.2% of the population of England Wales are Black, Black British, Caribbean or African according to the last census. If what you say above is true, you would expect to see significantly more than 4.2% of black CEOs of ftse 100 companies. There are currently none whatsoever. Not if promotions to them roles are based on merit. Unless you think white people are inherently better than black people at work, there should be 4.2% if based on merit. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 9, 2023 8:11:42 GMT
You have such a big chip on your shoulder. Absolute rubbish. I don't, and all spot on. Oggy's right, you really do. I doubt whether most normal people even notice that stuff, let alone carry around a ready made list of examples in their head to reel off at will. It smacks less of unequal or unfair treatment of the white, straight male and much more of a touch of paranoia and a rather odd way of looking at the world. |
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Post by aureliuspotter on Oct 9, 2023 8:25:01 GMT
I don't, and all spot on. Oggy's right, you really do. I doubt whether most normal people even notice that stuff, let alone carry around a ready made list of examples in their head to reel off at will. It smacks less of unequal or unfair treatment of the white, straight male and much more of a touch of paranoia and a rather odd way of looking at the world. I don't but you and your ilk certainly do. Most normal people do notice these things and they notice it's leftys like you that push and promote it, hence why there is so much division in today's society. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 9, 2023 8:25:37 GMT
4.2% of the population of England Wales are Black, Black British, Caribbean or African according to the last census. If what you say above is true, you would expect to see significantly more than 4.2% of black CEOs of ftse 100 companies. There are currently none whatsoever. I take your point. But Dame Sharon White has done okay reaching the top. My point being we're no longer in the 50s. We have progressed and the doors have been opened. The UK is not a racist country on the whole despite there still being some backwards knuckle draggers knocking about. And its a real shame that some people try to paint the UK as otherwise. These people are actually doing more harm to race relations in this country than the minority of knuckle draggers in my honest opinion. We are not in the 1950s. Well, Aurelius is. But the rest of us aren’t. But that doesn’t mean racism is completed and we can ignore it from now on as it has gone. |
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Post by aureliuspotter on Oct 9, 2023 8:27:29 GMT
Not if promotions to them roles are based on merit. Unless you think white people are inherently better than black people at work, there should be 4.2% if based on merit. It shouldn't. Merit should be based on merit . Promoting someone based on skin colour isn't merit. If the person with the merit is black then he should get the job if the person with the merit is white then he should get the job. Its really not difficult. Unlike you I don't think someone is more worthy because they're black. |
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