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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 7, 2023 8:33:46 GMT
I’ve asked him loads of questions with no ill intent and he has never answered one. He is incapable of backing up his argument or point of view. Anyway, I dug him out of his hole this time and answered for him - see above I'll say the same to you as I said to Paul. If you weren't being disingenuous and were genuinely interested then I'll hold my hands up. I read your intent wrong and assumed you were being smug. Happy to hold my hands up if I read it wrong. We all live in bubbles. Mine is a south west London (you would never guess!) and I find the Oatcake interesting because it connects me with people outside of my bubble. You for example. I simply do not understand how anyone could have some of the views you hold (Braverman is ace for example). You probably feel the same about my views. So when I ask you to explain why you hold your view, or challenge it, they are genuine questions. And when you don’t answer or back up your opinions or try to argue against my challenges it makes me think that you haven’t thought through what you are saying. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 7, 2023 8:34:33 GMT
Are you now arguing that the nhs is a brexit benefit!? Anyway, it is a shame we can’t have ehics anymore because of brexit. Not quite true. The EHIC is valid in EU until it expires and anyway has been replaced by the GHIC, Global Health Insurance Card, which entitles you to all the benefits of EHIC including within the EU. I thought it wasn’t as beneficial? |
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Post by aureliuspotter on Oct 7, 2023 8:49:49 GMT
I'll say the same to you as I said to Paul. If you weren't being disingenuous and were genuinely interested then I'll hold my hands up. I read your intent wrong and assumed you were being smug. Happy to hold my hands up if I read it wrong. We all live in bubbles. Mine is a south west London (you would never guess!) and I find the Oatcake interesting because it connects me with people outside of my bubble. You for example. I simply do not understand how anyone could have some of the views you hold (Braverman is ace for example). You probably feel the same about my views. So when I ask you to explain why you hold your view, or challenge it, they are genuine questions. And when you don’t answer or back up your opinions or try to argue against my challenges it makes me think that you haven’t thought through what you are saying. If I'm honest mate I don't know much about Braverman. I agree with her rhetoric about migrants but apart from that I couldn't give a toss about her. I also know its exactly that...rhetoric, and she'll do fuck all about the migrant crisis. What always gets me about the oatcake and the online world in general is you always get folk that point out wrong uns on one side but ignore the ones on their 'own side'. The hypocrisy is astonishing. When someone provides evidence or proof the other 'team' either says its wrong or not from a trusted source. They pretend the Guardian is gospel but will dismiss the daily mail even though they're both equally as shit. With posters like that it's easier to just reply with bollocks as that's all they talk themselves. Apologies if I assumed you were one of said posters. In future I'll assume you are genuinely asking rather than assuming you are trolling like so many on here do. |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 7, 2023 8:54:41 GMT
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Post by elystokie on Oct 7, 2023 9:17:13 GMT
From the Guardian tho, nowhere near trustworthy apparently 😂 Except according to ofcom obviously.. Seriously tho, what an absolute cluster fuck! |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 7, 2023 9:21:09 GMT
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Post by elystokie on Oct 7, 2023 9:26:00 GMT
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 7, 2023 10:08:45 GMT
We all live in bubbles. Mine is a south west London (you would never guess!) and I find the Oatcake interesting because it connects me with people outside of my bubble. You for example. I simply do not understand how anyone could have some of the views you hold (Braverman is ace for example). You probably feel the same about my views. So when I ask you to explain why you hold your view, or challenge it, they are genuine questions. And when you don’t answer or back up your opinions or try to argue against my challenges it makes me think that you haven’t thought through what you are saying. If I'm honest mate I don't know much about Braverman. I agree with her rhetoric about migrants but apart from that I couldn't give a toss about her. I also know its exactly that...rhetoric, and she'll do fuck all about the migrant crisis. What always gets me about the oatcake and the online world in general is you always get folk that point out wrong uns on one side but ignore the ones on their 'own side'. The hypocrisy is astonishing. When someone provides evidence or proof the other 'team' either says its wrong or not from a trusted source. They pretend the Guardian is gospel but will dismiss the daily mail even though they're both equally as shit. With posters like that it's easier to just reply with bollocks as that's all they talk themselves. Apologies if I assumed you were one of said posters. In future I'll assume you are genuinely asking rather than assuming you are trolling like so many on here do. I guess with Braverman she is literally in charge of our borders. So you are right. Her rhetoric (which I don’t agree with but I know we differ on it) isn’t backed up by her actions. And she actually has the power to act. |
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Post by mrcoke on Oct 7, 2023 10:47:28 GMT
1. www.statista.com/statistics/1272447/uk-wage-growth-vs-inflation/Wages increases are now exceeding inflation, unlike some EU countries (see my last review) 2. Very well. Most immigration is exceptional items like people from Hong Kong and Ukraine, relatives of EU citizens who moved prior to Brexit, and students. Those who are coming to work are either on temporary visas for low paid jobs like harvesting, or to fill "needed jobs" such as nurses. We still have nearly a million vacancies. Like Germany we could do with more immigrants. I watched the Woolco workers today on their last day. Sad to end their time there but getting their redundancy payment and start next week somewhere else. Loads of retailers have "staff needed" posted on their windows 3. Correct if they have paid NIC . Have they all done that? Who was checking? When I was ill in Paris once, I had to standing pain in a queue at the hospital treasury to pay before they would treat me 4. Correct UK is doing better than Germany and France since pandemic, we'll see what the year end brings shall we? One thing's for certain those countries like US, not in the EU, will do better than EU countries. The future is brighter now for the UK now we are out of the EU customs union. 1. You do realise inflation is cumulative, don't you? The addititive inflation on prices which happened for 18 months and outstripped wage increases is only marginally repaired by the modest differential that apparently occurred in July 2023 news.sky.com/story/amp/pace-of-wage-growth-outstrips-rate-of-inflation-while-unemployment-rate-ticks-up-12959492Without attempting a deep analysis of any individual unspecified Country you vaugly reference Since 2001 wage growth has outstripped inflation in the 20 Euro Countries almost every year except during Financial Crash
I personally have no problem with immigration from wherever it derives as many studies conclude Immigration is a net benefit to a Countries Economic wellbeing
The problem is that all the Employment indicators are negative. Again this should not be a surprise to you, I have provided links to the Data to you before
A) May to July 2023 estimates show a decrease in the employment rate compared with the previous quarter (February to April 2023) while the unemployment and economic inactivity rates increased. B) The UK employment rate was estimated at 75.5%, 0.5 percentage points lower than the previous quarter and 1.1 percentage points lower than before the pandemic (December 2019 to February 2020). C) The UK unemployment rate was estimated at 4.3%, 0.5 percentage points higher than the previous quarter and 0.3 percentage points higher than before the coronavirus (COVID-19) pandemic. D) The UK economic inactivity rate was estimated at 21.1%, 0.1 percentage points higher than the previous quarter and 0.9 percentage points higher than before the coronavirus pandemic. E) Total hours worked decreased compared with the previous quarter and are below pre-coronavirus-pandemic levels again. www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/employmentandemployeetypes/bulletins/employmentintheuk/september20233. I have heard several times about your unfortunate experience with the French Medical System,but it's hardly relevant as to whether UK Citizens who have paid their NIC Contributions can avail of treatment under the NHS - do you have any specific reason to suggest that UK Snowbirds aren't entitled to NHS treatment? 4. So now you do accept that your previous post that UK was the fastest growing in G7 was incorrect and is in fact 5th of the 7 The remainder of your comments on this subject are purely speculative as to what may happen and as such I'll leave to another day to see what happens
We really should be debating this on the Brexit thread, so I will simply reply to your last comments which are in blue below: 1. You do realise inflation is cumulative, don't you?
Yes. Wage increases are also additive and you could equally argue that wage increases before inflation rose are cumulative. The issue is not Brexit related, inflation is largely driven by post pandemic shortages and the impacts of the war in Ukraine, and UK government policy. The UK inflation only exceeded all other G7 towards the end of the recent period as a consequence of other countries inflation dropping quicker due to their governments action and in some cases, like Germany and The Netherlands which both had higher inflation for most of the time, the state of their economies. If inflation was due to Brexit, why is Sweden's and Austria's inflation higher than the UK? The Sky link confirms what I posted " basic wage growth in July outstripped the rate of inflation for the first time in more than 18 months" which contradicts the headline. You then refer to UK's poor wage growth history since 2001; I agree, being in the EU was terrible for most UK workers for wage increases due to freedom of movement. What matters is wage growth now is much higher than during EU membership. Please observe: tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/wage-growth Wages are now much higher than during EU membership by stopping EU citizens coming in. It is becoming more and more noticeable how those opposed to Brexit blame the country's ills on Brexit, whereas the reality is most of our problems are largely due to decades of EU membership and 13 years of Tory austerity, plus of course the pandemic and the war in Ukraine. 2. I'm glad we agree on immigration. You say " The problem is that all the Employment indicators are negative."
How is it you are highlighting fractions of % adverse movement in employment indicators in recent months, comparing one post Brexit period with another post Brexit period? The actual levels are way below decades of EU membership and at levels not seen since the 1970s. For example take unemployment: www.statista.com/statistics/279898/unemployment-rate-in-the-united-kingdom-uk/#:~:text=The%20unemployment%20rate%20of%20the,lowest%20unemployment%20rates%20since%201974. Of course employment rate is less and economic inactivity is higher than before the pandemic; 100,000s of UK citizens have chosen to retire early, and 100,000s have not chosen to be on long term sick!!! More young people are staying on in further education, exceeding 50% for the first time in history. There are actually more non UK born workers than ever, but they are filling empty jobs not displacing UK workers. 3. I have heard several times about your unfortunate experience with the French Medical System,
Sorry to bore you, I'll try not to do it again. The NHS has borne a huge cost from EU membership: fullfact.org/health/how-much-does-uk-recover-health-costs-eu/Fortunately we have now left the EU. 4. So now you do accept that your previous post that UK was the fastest growing in G7 was incorrect and is in fact 5th of the 7
No. What I said was " During the first two years of Brexit, the UK economy has grown more than any other G7 country, " which is correct. Time will tell how 2023 turns out. The remainder of your comments on this subject are purely speculative as to what may happen and as such I'll leave to another day to see what happens
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2023 10:54:24 GMT
If I'm honest mate I don't know much about Braverman. I agree with her rhetoric about migrants but apart from that I couldn't give a toss about her. I also know its exactly that...rhetoric, and she'll do fuck all about the migrant crisis. What always gets me about the oatcake and the online world in general is you always get folk that point out wrong uns on one side but ignore the ones on their 'own side'. The hypocrisy is astonishing. When someone provides evidence or proof the other 'team' either says its wrong or not from a trusted source. They pretend the Guardian is gospel but will dismiss the daily mail even though they're both equally as shit. With posters like that it's easier to just reply with bollocks as that's all they talk themselves. Apologies if I assumed you were one of said posters. In future I'll assume you are genuinely asking rather than assuming you are trolling like so many on here do. I guess with Braverman she is literally in charge of our borders. So you are right. Her rhetoric (which I don’t agree with but I know we differ on it) isn’t backed up by her actions. And she actually has the power to act. Not only that, she deliberately makes things worse. If the cost of housing asylum seekers in hotels is so high, employ more staff to process claims and give them temporary work visas so that they can pay tax instead of sitting there being paid for. Areas around where these hotels are set up could have businesses create a petition for labour. It could be based on things like advertising a job for over x amount of months without it being filled. Then refugees could be placed into temporary work that the local community actually needs. They could integrate into the community and pay taxes. Instead Braverman just leaves them in a hotel and talks about spending £160k per person to send them to Rwanda. Honestly, I just don’t understand how spending that much money is justifiable. I also don’t get how that’s her big plan, especially given that she is the daughter of immigrants and someone had to give her family a chance. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 7, 2023 11:02:51 GMT
I guess with Braverman she is literally in charge of our borders. So you are right. Her rhetoric (which I don’t agree with but I know we differ on it) isn’t backed up by her actions. And she actually has the power to act. Not only that, she deliberately makes things worse. If the cost of housing asylum seekers in hotels is so high, employ more staff to process claims and give them temporary work visas so that they can pay tax instead of sitting there being paid for. Areas around where these hotels are set up could have businesses create a petition for labour. It could be based on things like advertising a job for over x amount of months without it being filled. Then refugees could be placed into temporary work that the local community actually needs. They could integrate into the community and pay taxes. Instead Braverman just leaves them in a hotel and talks about spending £160k per person to send them to Rwanda. Honestly, I just don’t understand how spending that much money is justifiable. I also don’t get how that’s her big plan, especially given that she is the daughter of immigrants and someone had to give her family a chance. I completely agree |
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Post by lawrieleslie on Oct 7, 2023 11:10:20 GMT
One of my daughters is a primary school teacher of over 20 years experience. I spoke to her this morning and she fears redundancies at her school which is already on the bare bones of everything from staff, & equipment to building maintenance & repairs. Redundancies will mean increased class sizes and more mixed year teaching. |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 7, 2023 11:21:16 GMT
One of my daughters is a primary school teacher of over 20 years experience. I spoke to her this morning and she fears redundancies at her school which is already on the bare bones of everything from staff, & equipment to building maintenance & repairs. Redundancies will mean increased class sizes and more mixed year teaching. And Starmer thinks now is the right time to target private schools. What the fool doesn't realise is a sizeable portion of the kids going to private school have ordinary middle class parents who forgoe so much to send their kids there. This will ensure they won't be able to afford it and they'll all be descending on the state system which as you say is at breaking point already. And let's be honest anyone paying privately is also paying for the state system as well. This is just a silly political move to say look I'm going for the rich. But he isn’t a lot of these people are not rich. And I don't believe in private schools either. All kids should get the same decent education inside a proper functional state system = opportunity and all that. |
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Post by elystokie on Oct 7, 2023 11:25:13 GMT
One of my daughters is a primary school teacher of over 20 years experience. I spoke to her this morning and she fears redundancies at her school which is already on the bare bones of everything from staff, & equipment to building maintenance & repairs. Redundancies will mean increased class sizes and more mixed year teaching. And Starmer thinks now is the right time to target private schools. What the fool doesn't realise is a sizeable portion of the kids going to private school have ordinary middle class parents who forgoe so much to send their kids there. This will ensure they won't be able to afford it and they'll all be descending on the state system which as you say is at breaking point already. And let's be honest anyone paying privately is also paying for the state system as well. This is just a silly political move to say look I'm going for the rich. But he isn’t a lot of these people are not rich. And I don't believe in private schools either. All kids should get the same decent education inside a proper functional state system = opportunity and all that. Maybe some sort of 'graduated' tax scheme where the more wealthy you are the more you pay in tax on your school fees would be more acceptable? |
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Post by Davef on Oct 7, 2023 11:27:19 GMT
What did Ashworth have to say about the month-long trouble in Leicester year between Hindus and Muslims? |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 7, 2023 11:32:20 GMT
And Starmer thinks now is the right time to target private schools. What the fool doesn't realise is a sizeable portion of the kids going to private school have ordinary middle class parents who forgoe so much to send their kids there. This will ensure they won't be able to afford it and they'll all be descending on the state system which as you say is at breaking point already. And let's be honest anyone paying privately is also paying for the state system as well. This is just a silly political move to say look I'm going for the rich. But he isn’t a lot of these people are not rich. And I don't believe in private schools either. All kids should get the same decent education inside a proper functional state system = opportunity and all that. Maybe some sort of 'graduated' tax scheme where the more wealthy you are the more you pay in tax on your school fees would be more acceptable? Possibly but will still lead to even more exclusivity where just the very rich kids get top end private schooling. What should happen is private schools get phased out and a cross party consensus sets up a proper fully funded state education system. Then all kids regardless of background have the same opportunities in their education. The only just and fair way in my opinion. |
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Post by elystokie on Oct 7, 2023 11:36:51 GMT
What did Ashworth have to say about the month-long trouble in Leicester year between Hindus and Muslims? He didn't mention it, first I've heard of it tbh, he was very upbeat about all religions celebrating all religions together at various religious festivals, I've never lived there and really only ever been there for football so I have no personal experience. |
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Post by elystokie on Oct 7, 2023 11:39:06 GMT
Maybe some sort of 'graduated' tax scheme where the more wealthy you are the more you pay in tax on your school fees would be more acceptable? Possibly but will still lead to even more exclusivity where just the very rich kids get top end private schooling. What should happen is private schools get phased out and a cross party consensus sets up a proper fully funded state education system. Then all kids regardless of background have the same opportunities in their education. The only just and fair way in my opinion. I agree but it'll never happen in my lifetime, I was just trying to find the most acceptable all round solution to the immediate issue. |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 7, 2023 11:50:37 GMT
Possibly but will still lead to even more exclusivity where just the very rich kids get top end private schooling. What should happen is private schools get phased out and a cross party consensus sets up a proper fully funded state education system. Then all kids regardless of background have the same opportunities in their education. The only just and fair way in my opinion. I agree but it'll never happen in my lifetime, I was just trying to find the most acceptable all round solution to the immediate issue. They did it in Finland. Took about 20 years to phase the private schools out but it worked in the end and they had a good run at the top of the worlds education tables. Although I have heard its having a few issues more latterly. Need to look into it. But either way I'm all for equal opportunities. Not so keen on equal outcomes. But that's a whole different debate. |
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Post by Davef on Oct 7, 2023 11:53:53 GMT
What did Ashworth have to say about the month-long trouble in Leicester year between Hindus and Muslims? He didn't mention it, first I've heard of it tbh, he was very upbeat about all religions celebrating all religions together at various religious festivals, I've never lived there and really only ever been there for football so I have no personal experience. Yeah, it really kicked off around this time last year. I appreciate that the local MP has to talk up and defend his city, but he can't put his head in the sand and ignore the ugly stuff. |
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Post by wannabee on Oct 7, 2023 12:21:42 GMT
One of my daughters is a primary school teacher of over 20 years experience. I spoke to her this morning and she fears redundancies at her school which is already on the bare bones of everything from staff, & equipment to building maintenance & repairs. Redundancies will mean increased class sizes and more mixed year teaching. And Starmer thinks now is the right time to target private schools. What the fool doesn't realise is a sizeable portion of the kids going to private school have ordinary middle class parents who forgoe so much to send their kids there. This will ensure they won't be able to afford it and they'll all be descending on the state system which as you say is at breaking point already. And let's be honest anyone paying privately is also paying for the state system as well. This is just a silly political move to say look I'm going for the rich. But he isn’t a lot of these people are not rich. And I don't believe in private schools either. All kids should get the same decent education inside a proper functional state system = opportunity and all that. This Article explains that even if this unlikely event happened the expected VAT Revenue would still accrue to the Treasury to meet it's obligation to fund State Schools even with increased numbers ifs.org.uk/publications/tax-private-school-fees-and-state-school-spending#:~:text=Key%20findings-,1.,%2Dday%20and%20capital%20spending) God knows there is enough inequality of opportunity in this country without baking it in from the start There are about 560,000 School Pupils of which about 30,000 go to Private Schools
The spending per pupil on average is £8000 per year State versus £15000 Private
It is estimated charging VAT on Private School Fees will raise £1.6Bn which would would be used to add £3000 per year to each State Pupils Education
I'd say this was Leveling Up in Action
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Post by elystokie on Oct 7, 2023 12:26:40 GMT
He didn't mention it, first I've heard of it tbh, he was very upbeat about all religions celebrating all religions together at various religious festivals, I've never lived there and really only ever been there for football so I have no personal experience. Yeah, it really kicked off around this time last year. I appreciate that the local MP has to talk up and defend his city, but he can't put his head in the sand and ignore the ugly stuff. You're right he can't and it would maybe have been a better look if he'd acknowledged that incident before going on to extol the virtues. I can totally understand his anger at Cruella tho and it's at least made me look at attending one of said festivals 🙂 |
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Post by wannabee on Oct 7, 2023 12:33:13 GMT
As this cock-up is because the Department of Education incorrectly underestimated the number of school pupils (accidentally or on purpose?) This results in School Budgets increasing for current year by 1.9% not 2.7% as they were told forcing Schools to make cuts (even 2.7 % would have been a struggle given inflation and wage increases) Will Rishi now check that the jobsworths in DoE responsible studied Maths until at least 18 years of age. |
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Post by wannabee on Oct 7, 2023 12:49:02 GMT
What did Ashworth have to say about the month-long trouble in Leicester year between Hindus and Muslims? I agree with you it's a potentially very serious problem whether Cruella was referencing this or not it would have done nothing to quell tensions. As such Ashworth was correct not to reference it whether he made the connection or not, I suspect he did. The problem in Leicester was primarily provoked by Hindu Nationalist agitators recently arrived from India and emboldened by Modi's Racist actions back home. I'd be surprised if the authorities were not monitoring the actions of these agitators |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2023 13:00:48 GMT
Maybe some sort of 'graduated' tax scheme where the more wealthy you are the more you pay in tax on your school fees would be more acceptable? Possibly but will still lead to even more exclusivity where just the very rich kids get top end private schooling. What should happen is private schools get phased out and a cross party consensus sets up a proper fully funded state education system. Then all kids regardless of background have the same opportunities in their education. The only just and fair way in my opinion. I’m not sure I agree with that. It’s also a parent’s right to offer their own child as much of an advantage in life as they can afford. Any and all privileges of private schools should be revoked though. They are a business, just one that specializes in education. All kids should have the right to education (state school), the increased funds that the govt gets from removing VAT exemptions etc on private schools should go to funding public schools. If parents want to pay for private education, they should do so without govt assistance. The only exception of that should be grant funding for exceptional kids from lower income backgrounds that are in poorer quality schools, i.e., tuition grants for those who should be there on merit not just money. |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 7, 2023 13:23:23 GMT
And Starmer thinks now is the right time to target private schools. What the fool doesn't realise is a sizeable portion of the kids going to private school have ordinary middle class parents who forgoe so much to send their kids there. This will ensure they won't be able to afford it and they'll all be descending on the state system which as you say is at breaking point already. And let's be honest anyone paying privately is also paying for the state system as well. This is just a silly political move to say look I'm going for the rich. But he isn’t a lot of these people are not rich. And I don't believe in private schools either. All kids should get the same decent education inside a proper functional state system = opportunity and all that. This Article explains that even if this unlikely event happened the expected VAT Revenue would still accrue to the Treasury to meet it's obligation to fund State Schools even with increased numbers ifs.org.uk/publications/tax-private-school-fees-and-state-school-spending#:~:text=Key%20findings-,1.,%2Dday%20and%20capital%20spending) God knows there is enough inequality of opportunity in this country without baking it in from the start There are about 560,000 School Pupils of which about 30,000 go to Private Schools
The spending per pupil on average is £8000 per year State versus £15000 Private
It is estimated charging VAT on Private School Fees will raise £1.6Bn which would would be used to add £3000 per year to each State Pupils Education
I'd say this was Leveling Up in Action
I might be wrong but I think you've misread that. 600k odd private school pupils in the UK. Not 30k. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 7, 2023 13:52:09 GMT
One of my daughters is a primary school teacher of over 20 years experience. I spoke to her this morning and she fears redundancies at her school which is already on the bare bones of everything from staff, & equipment to building maintenance & repairs. Redundancies will mean increased class sizes and more mixed year teaching. At my children’s school they don’t have hot water or heating even during winter because it is too expensive. This is England. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 7, 2023 13:54:05 GMT
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Post by wannabee on Oct 7, 2023 14:05:24 GMT
This Article explains that even if this unlikely event happened the expected VAT Revenue would still accrue to the Treasury to meet it's obligation to fund State Schools even with increased numbers ifs.org.uk/publications/tax-private-school-fees-and-state-school-spending#:~:text=Key%20findings-,1.,%2Dday%20and%20capital%20spending) God knows there is enough inequality of opportunity in this country without baking it in from the start There are about 560,000 School Pupils of which about 30,000 go to Private Schools
The spending per pupil on average is £8000 per year State versus £15000 Private
It is estimated charging VAT on Private School Fees will raise £1.6Bn which would would be used to add £3000 per year to each State Pupils Education
I'd say this was Leveling Up in Action
I might be wrong but I think you've misread that. 600k odd private school pupils in the UK. Not 30k. Your right about the number it's about 7% of the total. The principal is the same regarding equalisation |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 7, 2023 20:17:40 GMT
I might be wrong but I think you've misread that. 600k odd private school pupils in the UK. Not 30k. Your right about the number it's about 7% of the total. The principal is the same regarding equalisation Amazing that there are 600k kids in private education 😮 |
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