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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 6, 2023 17:29:35 GMT
Why do you need to go through them, don't you know what they are? You quoted me though mate, you engaged with me and asked me a question so surely it's your job to go through mrcokes posts. I know you know what they are and I know you just want me to say it but I don't play lefty games. I can't see any Brexit benefits, you said that you could see Brexit benefits, so I just wondered what you thought those benefits were? Is that such an unreasonable question to ask? |
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Post by aureliuspotter on Oct 6, 2023 17:39:33 GMT
You quoted me though mate, you engaged with me and asked me a question so surely it's your job to go through mrcokes posts. I know you know what they are and I know you just want me to say it but I don't play lefty games. I can't see any Brexit benefits, you said that you could see Brexit benefits, so I just wondered what you thought those benefits were? Is that such an unreasonable question to ask? It's not unreasonable no mate, and neither is my reply. My reply is go through Mr cokes posts he's listed many benefits. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 6, 2023 17:42:04 GMT
I can't see any Brexit benefits, you said that you could see Brexit benefits, so I just wondered what you thought those benefits were? Is that such an unreasonable question to ask? It's not unreasonable no mate, and neither is my reply. My reply is go through Mr cokes posts he's listed many benefits. I do think your answer is unreasonable if I'm honest mate. You posted that you can see some benefits of Brexit but you won't say what they are, not even one. I'm interested in what YOU think. |
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Post by mrcoke on Oct 6, 2023 17:50:07 GMT
All the ones that Mr Coke has mentioned mate. To save me having to go through his posting history, what are the top 5 ones that stand out for you? To save you going through my posting history: 2nd post on page 1552 on the Brexit thread in answer to smallthorner's query. oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/post/7809404/threadOf course opinions vary on what is a benefit. Some would prefer British workers had lower wage increases to keep inflation lower, and increase company profits. Some would prefer freedom of movement so they can work in the EU and don't care about increased unemployment in the UK. Some would prefer to spend most of their retirement in Spain and just come back to the UK to use the NHS. eto, etc. During the first two years of Brexit, the UK economy has grown more than any other G7 country, despite all the forecasts of recession, etc. by those opposed to Brexit. My next review of Brexit will be in the Spring, God willing, when I will review 2023. |
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Post by aureliuspotter on Oct 6, 2023 17:52:01 GMT
It's not unreasonable no mate, and neither is my reply. My reply is go through Mr cokes posts he's listed many benefits. I do think your answer is unreasonable if I'm honest mate. You posted that you can see some benefits of Brexit but you won't say what they are, not even one. I'm interested in what YOU think. I think my reply is perfectly reasonable if I'm honest mate. Why would I go through them again just because you can't be arsed when Mr Coke always has. |
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Post by aureliuspotter on Oct 6, 2023 17:53:00 GMT
To save me having to go through his posting history, what are the top 5 ones that stand out for you? To save you going through my posting history: 2nd post on page 1552 on the Brexit thread in answer to smallthorner's query. oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/post/7809404/threadOf course opinions vary on what is a benefit. Some would prefer British workers had lower wage increases to keep inflation lower, and increase company profits. Some would prefer freedom of movement so they can work in the EU and don't care about increased unemployment in the UK. Some would prefer to spend most of their retirement in Spain and just come back to the UK to use the NHS. eto, etc. During the first two years of Brexit, the UK economy has grown more than any other G7 country, despite all the forecasts of recession, etc. by those opposed to Brexit. My next review of Brexit will be in the Spring, God willing, when I will review 2023. You shouldn't of bothered mate. I was looking forward to Louie Spence squirming 😂 |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 6, 2023 17:55:28 GMT
I do think your answer is unreasonable if I'm honest mate. You posted that you can see some benefits of Brexit but you won't say what they are, not even one. I'm interested in what YOU think. I think my reply is perfectly reasonable if I'm honest mate. Why would I go through them again just because you can't be arsed when Mr Coke always has. Why I should I need to be arsed to have to read somebody else's thoughts, when YOU'RE the one extolling the virtues of the topic in hand? |
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Post by aureliuspotter on Oct 6, 2023 18:01:19 GMT
I think my reply is perfectly reasonable if I'm honest mate. Why would I go through them again just because you can't be arsed when Mr Coke always has. Why I should I need to be arsed to have to read somebody else's thoughts, when YOU'RE the one extolling the virtues of the topic in hand? Why I should I need? 👀 Because YOU are the one that wants to know. YOU are the one that engaged with me. I didn't ask you to. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 6, 2023 18:15:04 GMT
Why I should I need to be arsed to have to read somebody else's thoughts, when YOU'RE the one extolling the virtues of the topic in hand? Why I should I need? 👀 Because YOU are the one that wants to know. YOU are the one that engaged with me. I didn't ask you to. YOU were the one who posted that you could see the benefits of Brexit and then I replied to you by asking you what you thought those benefits were? If you don't want people to reply to your post and ask you about your thoughts, why post a message on a public forum in the first place? |
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Post by wannabee on Oct 6, 2023 18:58:54 GMT
To save me having to go through his posting history, what are the top 5 ones that stand out for you? To save you going through my posting history: 2nd post on page 1552 on the Brexit thread in answer to smallthorner's query. oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/post/7809404/threadOf course opinions vary on what is a benefit. 1. Some would prefer British workers had lower wage increases to keep inflation lower, and increase company profits. 2. Some would prefer freedom of movement so they can work in the EU and don't care about increased unemployment in the UK. 3. Some would prefer to spend most of their retirement in Spain and just come back to the UK to use the NHS. eto, etc. 4. During the first two years of Brexit, the UK economy has grown more than any other G7 country, despite all the forecasts of recession, etc. by those opposed to Brexit. 5 My next review of Brexit will be in the Spring, God willing, when I will review 2023. Surely you wouldn't want to post statistics without context as they might mislead Aurelius and others as we can see he's unable to exercise critical thinking
1. I have posted in reply to you several times with links from Government Statistics that yes Wages have increased but below Inflation so therefore have no effect on inflation. I don't know why you keep flogging this Dead Horse which you know to be false
2. How's that record Net Migration 600+K working out
3. If they have paid NIC Contributions they are quite entitled to do so surely
4. This is totally misleading and selective. Different Countries suffered the Economic Effects of COVID at different times. UK by far the worst was 2020. UK Office of National Statistics recently uplifted UK GDP by 1.8%. This now puts UK in 5th position of G7 for GDP growth since Covid Pandemic. It is also ranked 5th in G7 for the 2 Qtrs of 2023. You are well aware of this
5. I look forward to it
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Post by mrcoke on Oct 6, 2023 20:23:57 GMT
To save you going through my posting history: 2nd post on page 1552 on the Brexit thread in answer to smallthorner's query. oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/post/7809404/threadOf course opinions vary on what is a benefit. 1. Some would prefer British workers had lower wage increases to keep inflation lower, and increase company profits. 2. Some would prefer freedom of movement so they can work in the EU and don't care about increased unemployment in the UK. 3. Some would prefer to spend most of their retirement in Spain and just come back to the UK to use the NHS. eto, etc. 4. During the first two years of Brexit, the UK economy has grown more than any other G7 country, despite all the forecasts of recession, etc. by those opposed to Brexit. 5 My next review of Brexit will be in the Spring, God willing, when I will review 2023. Surely you wouldn't want to post statistics without context as they might mislead Aurelius and others as we can see he's unable to exercise critical thinking
1. I have posted in reply to you several times with links from Government Statistics that yes Wages have increased but below Inflation so therefore have no effect on inflation. I don't know why you keep flogging this Dead Horse which you know to be false
2. How's that record Net Migration 600+K working out
3. If they have paid NIC Contributions they are quite entitled to do so surely
4. This is totally misleading and selective. Different Countries suffered the Economic Effects of COVID at different times. UK by far the worst was 2020. UK Office of National Statistics recently uplifted UK GDP by 1.8%. This now puts UK in 5th position of G7 for GDP growth since Covid Pandemic. It is also ranked 5th in G7 for the 2 Qtrs of 2023. You are well aware of this
5. I look forward to it
1. www.statista.com/statistics/1272447/uk-wage-growth-vs-inflation/Wages increases are now exceeding inflation, unlike some EU countries (see my last review) 2. Very well. Most immigration is exceptional items like people from Hong Kong and Ukraine, relatives of EU citizens who moved prior to Brexit, and students. Those who are coming to work are either on temporary visas for low paid jobs like harvesting, or to fill "needed jobs" such as nurses. We still have nearly a million vacancies. Like Germany we could do with more immigrants. I watched the Woolco workers today on their last day. Sad to end their time there but getting their redundancy payment and start next week somewhere else. Loads of retailers have "staff needed" posted on their windows 3. Correct if they have paid NIC . Have they all done that? Who was checking? When I was ill in Paris once, I had to standing pain in a queue at the hospital treasury to pay before they would treat me 4. Correct UK is doing better than Germany and France since pandemic, we'll see what the year end brings shall we? One thing's for certain those countries like US, not in the EU, will do better than EU countries. The future is brighter now for the UK now we are out of the EU customs union. |
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Post by aureliuspotter on Oct 6, 2023 21:00:17 GMT
Why I should I need? 👀 Because YOU are the one that wants to know. YOU are the one that engaged with me. I didn't ask you to. YOU were the one who posted that you could see the benefits of Brexit and then I replied to you by asking you what you thought those benefits were? If you don't want people to reply to your post and ask you about your thoughts, why post a message on a public forum in the first place? Ye but YOU asked ME and I told YOU to read Mr cokes posts as he's listed many benefits. If that's not good enough that's YOUR problem not mine. I know you were being disingenuous , hence my response. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 6, 2023 21:30:47 GMT
YOU were the one who posted that you could see the benefits of Brexit and then I replied to you by asking you what you thought those benefits were? If you don't want people to reply to your post and ask you about your thoughts, why post a message on a public forum in the first place? Ye but YOU asked ME and I told YOU to read Mr cokes posts as he's listed many benefits. If that's not good enough that's YOUR problem not mine. I know you were being disingenuous , hence my response. You said that YOU could see the benefits of Brexit but when I asked you what you could see, you told me to go and look at what somebody else could see. I wanted to know what is was that you could see, not what somebody else could see. If you don't want people to ask you about what you could see, why post messages saying that YOU could see the benefits? |
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Post by aureliuspotter on Oct 6, 2023 22:22:09 GMT
Ye but YOU asked ME and I told YOU to read Mr cokes posts as he's listed many benefits. If that's not good enough that's YOUR problem not mine. I know you were being disingenuous , hence my response. You said that YOU could see the benefits of Brexit but when I asked you what you could see, you told me to go and look at what somebody else could see. I wanted to know what is was that you could see, not what somebody else could see. If you don't want people to ask you about what you could see, why post messages saying that YOU could see the benefits? I told YOU to read mrcokes posts because I agree with mrcoke. Why would I retype what he's already wrote for YOU when I know YOU are just being disingenuous. You didn't genuinely want to know what I thought about brexit benefits. You were trying to create a "gotcha" moment. Rather than play your game I told you to re read mrcokes posts. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 6, 2023 22:24:10 GMT
You said that YOU could see the benefits of Brexit but when I asked you what you could see, you told me to go and look at what somebody else could see. I wanted to know what is was that you could see, not what somebody else could see. If you don't want people to ask you about what you could see, why post messages saying that YOU could see the benefits? I told YOU to read mrcokes posts because I agree with mrcoke. Why would I retype what he's already wrote for YOU when I know YOU are just being disingenuous. You didn't genuinely want to know what I thought about brexit benefits. You were trying to create a "gotcha" moment. Rather than play your game I told you to re read mrcokes posts. Why would you worry about a "gotcha" moment? |
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Post by aureliuspotter on Oct 6, 2023 22:28:22 GMT
I told YOU to read mrcokes posts because I agree with mrcoke. Why would I retype what he's already wrote for YOU when I know YOU are just being disingenuous. You didn't genuinely want to know what I thought about brexit benefits. You were trying to create a "gotcha" moment. Rather than play your game I told you to re read mrcokes posts. Why would you worry about a "gotcha" moment? Nothing you could do or say would ever worry me mate. But by refusing to play your game it deprives you of more self back patting moments. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 6, 2023 22:34:46 GMT
Why would you worry about a "gotcha" moment? Nothing you could do or say would ever worry me mate. But by refusing to play your game it deprives you of more self back patting moments. Go back and read my original reply to you. I simply responded with a legitimate and harmless question about what you said you had personally seen but since that moment, you have leaped through hoops in an attempt to avoid answering the question and have subsequently turned it in to something it never was. How can politely asking you a simple question about something you said you had seen, be interpreted as a lefty game? |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 6, 2023 22:42:12 GMT
Top bants
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Post by aureliuspotter on Oct 6, 2023 23:08:31 GMT
Nothing you could do or say would ever worry me mate. But by refusing to play your game it deprives you of more self back patting moments. Go back and read my original reply to you. I simply responded with a legitimate and harmless question about what you said you had personally seen but since that moment, you have leaped through hoops in an attempt to avoid answering the question and have subsequently turned it in to something it never was. How can politely asking you a simple question about something you said you had seen, be interpreted as a lefty game? If you weren't being disingenuous and was asking a genuine question with no ill intent then I hold my hands up and apologise. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 6, 2023 23:12:18 GMT
Go back and read my original reply to you. I simply responded with a legitimate and harmless question about what you said you had personally seen but since that moment, you have leaped through hoops in an attempt to avoid answering the question and have subsequently turned it in to something it never was. How can politely asking you a simple question about something you said you had seen, be interpreted as a lefty game? If you weren't being disingenuous and was asking a genuine question with no ill intent then I hold my hands up and apologise. No need to apologise mate but there certainly wasn't any ill intent. |
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Post by aureliuspotter on Oct 6, 2023 23:21:21 GMT
If you weren't being disingenuous and was asking a genuine question with no ill intent then I hold my hands up and apologise. No need to apologise mate but there certainly wasn't any ill intent. Fair enough mate, I guess I shouldn't assume that everyone on political type threads is being disingenuous based on the actions of a few. Lesson learned. |
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Post by wannabee on Oct 6, 2023 23:48:02 GMT
Surely you wouldn't want to post statistics without context as they might mislead Aurelius and others as we can see he's unable to exercise critical thinking
1. I have posted in reply to you several times with links from Government Statistics that yes Wages have increased but below Inflation so therefore have no effect on inflation. I don't know why you keep flogging this Dead Horse which you know to be false
2. How's that record Net Migration 600+K working out
3. If they have paid NIC Contributions they are quite entitled to do so surely
4. This is totally misleading and selective. Different Countries suffered the Economic Effects of COVID at different times. UK by far the worst was 2020. UK Office of National Statistics recently uplifted UK GDP by 1.8%. This now puts UK in 5th position of G7 for GDP growth since Covid Pandemic. It is also ranked 5th in G7 for the 2 Qtrs of 2023. You are well aware of this
5. I look forward to it
1. www.statista.com/statistics/1272447/uk-wage-growth-vs-inflation/Wages increases are now exceeding inflation, unlike some EU countries (see my last review) 2. Very well. Most immigration is exceptional items like people from Hong Kong and Ukraine, relatives of EU citizens who moved prior to Brexit, and students. Those who are coming to work are either on temporary visas for low paid jobs like harvesting, or to fill "needed jobs" such as nurses. We still have nearly a million vacancies. Like Germany we could do with more immigrants. I watched the Woolco workers today on their last day. Sad to end their time there but getting their redundancy payment and start next week somewhere else. Loads of retailers have "staff needed" posted on their windows 3. Correct if they have paid NIC . Have they all done that? Who was checking? When I was ill in Paris once, I had to standing pain in a queue at the hospital treasury to pay before they would treat me 4. Correct UK is doing better than Germany and France since pandemic, we'll see what the year end brings shall we? One thing's for certain those countries like US, not in the EU, will do better than EU countries. The future is brighter now for the UK now we are out of the EU customs union. 1. You do realise inflation is cumulative, don't you? The addititive inflation on prices which happened for 18 months and outstripped wage increases is only marginally repaired by the modest differential that apparently occurred in July 2023 news.sky.com/story/amp/pace-of-wage-growth-outstrips-rate-of-inflation-while-unemployment-rate-ticks-up-12959492Without attempting a deep analysis of any individual unspecified Country you vaugly reference Since 2001 wage growth has outstripped inflation in the 20 Euro Countries almost every year except during Financial Crash
I personally have no problem with immigration from wherever it derives as many studies conclude Immigration is a net benefit to a Countries Economic wellbeing
The problem is that all the Employment indicators are negative. Again this should not be a surprise to you, I have provided links to the Data to you before
A) May to July 2023 estimates show a decrease in the employment rate compared with the previous quarter (February to April 2023) while the unemployment and economic inactivity rates increased. B) The UK employment rate was estimated at 75.5%, 0.5 percentage points lower than the previous quarter and 1.1 percentage points lower than before the pandemic (December 2019 to February 2020). C) The UK unemployment rate was estimated at 4.3%, 0.5 percentage points higher than the previous quarter and 0.3 percentage points higher than before the coronavirus (COVID-19) pandemic. D) The UK economic inactivity rate was estimated at 21.1%, 0.1 percentage points higher than the previous quarter and 0.9 percentage points higher than before the coronavirus pandemic. E) Total hours worked decreased compared with the previous quarter and are below pre-coronavirus-pandemic levels again. www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/employmentandemployeetypes/bulletins/employmentintheuk/september20233. I have heard several times about your unfortunate experience with the French Medical System,but it's hardly relevant as to whether UK Citizens who have paid their NIC Contributions can avail of treatment under the NHS - do you have any specific reason to suggest that UK Snowbirds aren't entitled to NHS treatment? 4. So now you do accept that your previous post that UK was the fastest growing in G7 was incorrect and is in fact 5th of the 7 The remainder of your comments on this subject are purely speculative as to what may happen and as such I'll leave to another day to see what happens
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Post by wannabee on Oct 7, 2023 0:19:18 GMT
If you weren't being disingenuous and was asking a genuine question with no ill intent then I hold my hands up and apologise. No need to apologise mate but there certainly wasn't any ill intent. The problem Paul is that Brexit Benefits will in time be added to the great unsolved mysteries of the World americanescaperooms.com/blog/post/top-7-unsolved-mysteries-that-have-no-explanationSome have tried to explain it (even on this MB) but it's incomprehensible |
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Post by Gawa on Oct 7, 2023 1:30:23 GMT
Not too impressed with these preliminary fights tbh
What type is wilko v void on at?
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 7, 2023 6:20:17 GMT
You quoted me though mate, you engaged with me and asked me a question so surely it's your job to go through mrcokes posts. I know you know what they are and I know you just want me to say it but I don't play lefty games. I can't see any Brexit benefits, you said that you could see Brexit benefits, so I just wondered what you thought those benefits were? Is that such an unreasonable question to ask? No, Paul, I found one at last! After asking brexiteers for months for them to list a tangible benefit of brexit and not one single benefit being listed, I finally stumbled across one (well, technically it is a potential benefit but we will give the brexiteers a bone as they haven’t come up with any yet)….. In the EU, you cannot put full rate VAT on school fees. So if Labour win the next election and put VAT on school fees, that will be the first tangible brexit benefit. That alone is worth the devalued pound and everything else! |
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 7, 2023 6:22:41 GMT
If you weren't being disingenuous and was asking a genuine question with no ill intent then I hold my hands up and apologise. No need to apologise mate but there certainly wasn't any ill intent. I’ve asked him loads of questions with no ill intent and he has never answered one. He is incapable of backing up his argument or point of view. Anyway, I dug him out of his hole this time and answered for him - see above |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 7, 2023 6:23:24 GMT
Why does the Tory party hate this country so much?
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 7, 2023 6:33:52 GMT
Surely you wouldn't want to post statistics without context as they might mislead Aurelius and others as we can see he's unable to exercise critical thinking
1. I have posted in reply to you several times with links from Government Statistics that yes Wages have increased but below Inflation so therefore have no effect on inflation. I don't know why you keep flogging this Dead Horse which you know to be false
2. How's that record Net Migration 600+K working out
3. If they have paid NIC Contributions they are quite entitled to do so surely
4. This is totally misleading and selective. Different Countries suffered the Economic Effects of COVID at different times. UK by far the worst was 2020. UK Office of National Statistics recently uplifted UK GDP by 1.8%. This now puts UK in 5th position of G7 for GDP growth since Covid Pandemic. It is also ranked 5th in G7 for the 2 Qtrs of 2023. You are well aware of this
5. I look forward to it
1. www.statista.com/statistics/1272447/uk-wage-growth-vs-inflation/Wages increases are now exceeding inflation, unlike some EU countries (see my last review) 2. Very well. Most immigration is exceptional items like people from Hong Kong and Ukraine, relatives of EU citizens who moved prior to Brexit, and students. Those who are coming to work are either on temporary visas for low paid jobs like harvesting, or to fill "needed jobs" such as nurses. We still have nearly a million vacancies. Like Germany we could do with more immigrants. I watched the Woolco workers today on their last day. Sad to end their time there but getting their redundancy payment and start next week somewhere else. Loads of retailers have "staff needed" posted on their windows 3. Correct if they have paid NIC . Have they all done that? Who was checking? When I was ill in Paris once, I had to standing pain in a queue at the hospital treasury to pay before they would treat me 4. Correct UK is doing better than Germany and France since pandemic, we'll see what the year end brings shall we? One thing's for certain those countries like US, not in the EU, will do better than EU countries. The future is brighter now for the UK now we are out of the EU customs union. Are you now arguing that the nhs is a brexit benefit!? Anyway, it is a shame we can’t have ehics anymore because of brexit. |
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Post by lawrieleslie on Oct 7, 2023 7:00:52 GMT
1. www.statista.com/statistics/1272447/uk-wage-growth-vs-inflation/Wages increases are now exceeding inflation, unlike some EU countries (see my last review) 2. Very well. Most immigration is exceptional items like people from Hong Kong and Ukraine, relatives of EU citizens who moved prior to Brexit, and students. Those who are coming to work are either on temporary visas for low paid jobs like harvesting, or to fill "needed jobs" such as nurses. We still have nearly a million vacancies. Like Germany we could do with more immigrants. I watched the Woolco workers today on their last day. Sad to end their time there but getting their redundancy payment and start next week somewhere else. Loads of retailers have "staff needed" posted on their windows 3. Correct if they have paid NIC . Have they all done that? Who was checking? When I was ill in Paris once, I had to standing pain in a queue at the hospital treasury to pay before they would treat me 4. Correct UK is doing better than Germany and France since pandemic, we'll see what the year end brings shall we? One thing's for certain those countries like US, not in the EU, will do better than EU countries. The future is brighter now for the UK now we are out of the EU customs union. Are you now arguing that the nhs is a brexit benefit!? Anyway, it is a shame we can’t have ehics anymore because of brexit. Not quite true. The EHIC is valid in EU until it expires and anyway has been replaced by the GHIC, Global Health Insurance Card, which entitles you to all the benefits of EHIC including within the EU. |
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Post by aureliuspotter on Oct 7, 2023 7:29:21 GMT
No need to apologise mate but there certainly wasn't any ill intent. I’ve asked him loads of questions with no ill intent and he has never answered one. He is incapable of backing up his argument or point of view. Anyway, I dug him out of his hole this time and answered for him - see above I'll say the same to you as I said to Paul. If you weren't being disingenuous and were genuinely interested then I'll hold my hands up. I read your intent wrong and assumed you were being smug. Happy to hold my hands up if I read it wrong. |
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