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Post by aureliuspotter on Oct 5, 2023 9:45:03 GMT
UK is the worst developed country to find a house. Why? My apologies, I should have included in my Quarter 2 2023 Brexit review that UK house building starts were at the highest that quarter since the 1980s. That's despite the hike in interest rates. tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/housing-startsHouse building in the UK collapsed as a result of the financial crisis in 2008 and many companies went out of business. Since then it has slowly recovered despite government austerity. Since leaving the EU house building is booming in the UK. The government sought to relax planning rules but have been howled down. So why is there such a shortage? Because there is huge and growing demand. The increase in interest rates has only slightly dented demand. Demand is high because of high immigration. Builders of student accommodation are having a boom time.
love it when a leftie gets slapped down .
They get slapped down all the time, they just don't have the brain power to realise it and thus walk off thinking they've 'won' when they really ...really haven't. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 5, 2023 9:46:24 GMT
At the moment spoiling your ballot paper is the "none of the above" option - the number of spoilt ballot papers is recorded and interpreted as a measure of the disaffection with the political system. I want to see PR introduced and may well go down the spoiled spoilt ballot paper route at the next election as its going to be either Tory or Labour where I live and neither have PR in their manifesto at the moment. I did not know they recorded spoilt ballot papers. I shall be turning up at the ballot in that case and spoiling my ballot paper 👍 Fine. But keep an open mind until manifestos. Then spoil your ballot if you wish. |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 5, 2023 9:52:22 GMT
love it when a leftie gets slapped down .
They get slapped down all the time, they just don't have the brain power to realise it and thus walk off thinking they've 'won' when they really ...really haven't. Think you'll find he was owned...big time. |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 5, 2023 9:55:24 GMT
I did not know they recorded spoilt ballot papers. I shall be turning up at the ballot in that case and spoiling my ballot paper 👍 Fine. But keep an open mind until manifestos. Then spoil your ballot if you wish. You are absolutely correct about keeping an open mind. But sadly I'm that long in the tooth I've come to realise manifestos are mostly just waffle that they twist later down the line to say, well this is what we really meant. What we really need is the 2 main parties agreeing to place certain matters of great importance into a cross party arena. Whereby they committ to a joint plan for items like education, healthcare and the planning system. Instead of messing with these crucial items every election cycle just to protect their voter base. All that results is chaos with changes of direction constantly happening. You can't ever sort anything with all that going on. |
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Post by aureliuspotter on Oct 5, 2023 9:55:43 GMT
They get slapped down all the time, they just don't have the brain power to realise it and thus walk off thinking they've 'won' when they really ...really haven't. Think you'll find he was owned...big time. He certainty was..owned .. exposed. Your lot will still try and claim it as a 'win' though. Cognitive dissonance at it's finest 😂 |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 5, 2023 9:58:27 GMT
Think you'll find he was owned...big time. He certainty was..owned .. exposed. Your lot will still try and claim it as a 'win' though. Cognitive dissonance at it's finest 😂 Get some help mate, seriously....get some help. |
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Post by aureliuspotter on Oct 5, 2023 10:01:23 GMT
He certainty was..owned .. exposed. Your lot will still try and claim it as a 'win' though. Cognitive dissonance at it's finest 😂 Get some help mate, seriously....get some help. You are the one that needs help sunshine, unfortunately I think you are beyond help now. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 5, 2023 10:13:19 GMT
Fine. But keep an open mind until manifestos. Then spoil your ballot if you wish. You are absolutely correct about keeping an open mind. But sadly I'm that long in the tooth I've come to realise manifestos are mostly just waffle that they twist later down the line to say, well this is what we really meant. What we really need is the 2 main parties agreeing to place certain matters of great importance into a cross party arena. Whereby they committ to a joint plan for items like education, healthcare and the planning system. Instead of messing with these crucial items every election cycle just to protect their voter base. All that results is chaos with changes of direction constantly happening. You can't ever sort anything with all that going on. I completely agree with the second paragraph particularly. It seems to me that the consensus is that the voting system that only ever produces 2 possible outcomes is the problem. Almost no other places on earth have the outdated first past the post system. Until then, it is about the lesser of 2 evils. Labour members want proportional representation. Tory members obviously don’t as it kills their party. Therefore I think Labour are more likely to bring it in, especially if they have to rely on another party for power. PR encourages more parties to work together. If means we can vote for who we want rather than voting tactically to stop who we don’t want. It is the best way to get people engaging more in politics and feeling like their vote actually matters. To coin a phrase, it is the single best way to take back control of our country from millionaire corrupt politicians and empower people. For PR, vote green or lib dem (or possibly reform). |
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Post by mrcoke on Oct 5, 2023 11:44:40 GMT
UK is the worst developed country to find a house. Why? My apologies, I should have included in my Quarter 2 2023 Brexit review that UK house building starts were at the highest that quarter since the 1980s. That's despite the hike in interest rates. tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/housing-startsHouse building in the UK collapsed as a result of the financial crisis in 2008 and many companies went out of business. Since then it has slowly recovered despite government austerity. Since leaving the EU house building is booming in the UK. The government sought to relax planning rules but have been howled down. So why is there such a shortage? Because there is huge and growing demand. The increase in interest rates has only slightly dented demand. Demand is high because of high immigration. Builders of student accommodation are having a boom time. If the issue is just growing demand. Then can you explain how the number of private landlords and people with additional dwellings has doubled in the last 20 years?  And in the same period we've went from 69% of homes being owner occupied to 60%. Seems like there are plenty of homes there it's just that they've been bought up by the rich. And to add if it is immigration which is the issue with housing. Then I ask: 1. Why did sunak u turn on his house building targets? 2. Why are they allowing so many legal immigrants in? Double that of the last labour government. And these are immigrants with visas based of policy created by the conservative party. It's DOUBLED. The last 20 years covers Labour, Tory/LibDem, and Tory administrations. There are more privately built housing because of private enterprise. Councils have not engaged in house building because of Tory austerity following the financial collapse in 2008 which put many house builders out of business. Oggy blames demand on Brexit. I am not a Tory and do not hold any political allegiance but when it comes to Brexit I agree with the true left, like Benn and Shore and Skinner and believe the UK should govern itself and not be run by the capitalist dominated EU. I believe in capitalism, but it must be strictly controlled otherwise you get what has happened to our water industry. Brussels is dominated by the capitalist lobby and dance to their tune. I see the EU are seeking to make another deal with China in the interests of German big business. www.reuters.com/world/china-could-do-a-lot-reduce-eu-perception-risk-eu-trade-chief-2023-09-25/The obstacles to home ownership are what you make them. A few years ago I met a free-lance bricklayer who had left school at 16, got an apprenticeship, and after a couple of years experience went freelance, working for who paid him the most. He had just put down a deposit for his first home and got a mortgage. He was 23 years old and his former school mates were coming out of uni with mickey mouse degrees and huge student loan debt. He was laughing at them. |
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Post by wannabee on Oct 5, 2023 12:23:08 GMT
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Post by elystokie on Oct 5, 2023 12:42:00 GMT
Absolutely superb 🙂 Really looking forward to seeing him live on stage in January. |
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Post by OldStokie on Oct 5, 2023 13:17:21 GMT
Brilliant! I wish Jonathon was Labour leader. He'd be brilliant at the Despatch Box.  OS. |
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Post by OldStokie on Oct 5, 2023 13:47:08 GMT
The figure of 36 billion is unraveling now. Much of it was already planned to be spent on existing or planned upgrades in the North; the tram line in Manchester already exists; the extension of HS2 direct to Euston and other projects south of London are factored in; an upgrade to the South West from London is another big lump; filling in potholes should be normal highways maintenance but a quarter of the 36 billion will be used instead; the Midlands will get almost 10 billion; so in actual fact the amount the North gets is but a fraction of the 36 billion saved by axing the line from Brum to Manchester. Now, I'm no expert so I can't comment on the pros and cons of scrapping the scheme but it certainly isn't creating the Northern Powerhouse by 36 billion. Another con to add to the long list he's already made?
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Post by prestwichpotter on Oct 5, 2023 13:54:02 GMT
If the issue is just growing demand. Then can you explain how the number of private landlords and people with additional dwellings has doubled in the last 20 years? And in the same period we've went from 69% of homes being owner occupied to 60%. Seems like there are plenty of homes there it's just that they've been bought up by the rich. And to add if it is immigration which is the issue with housing. Then I ask: 1. Why did sunak u turn on his house building targets? 2. Why are they allowing so many legal immigrants in? Double that of the last labour government. And these are immigrants with visas based of policy created by the conservative party. It's DOUBLED. The last 20 years covers Labour, Tory/LibDem, and Tory administrations. There are more privately built housing because of private enterprise. Councils have not engaged in house building because of Tory austerity following the financial collapse in 2008 which put many house builders out of business. Oggy blames demand on Brexit. I am not a Tory and do not hold any political allegiance but when it comes to Brexit I agree with the true left, like Benn and Shore and Skinner and believe the UK should govern itself and not be run by the capitalist dominated EU. I believe in capitalism, but it must be strictly controlled otherwise you get what has happened to our water industry. Brussels is dominated by the capitalist lobby and dance to their tune. I see the EU are seeking to make another deal with China in the interests of German big business. www.reuters.com/world/china-could-do-a-lot-reduce-eu-perception-risk-eu-trade-chief-2023-09-25/The obstacles to home ownership are what you make them. A few years ago I met a free-lance bricklayer who had left school at 16, got an apprenticeship, and after a couple of years experience went freelance, working for who paid him the most. He had just put down a deposit for his first home and got a mortgage. He was 23 years old and his former school mates were coming out of uni with mickey mouse degrees and huge student loan debt. He was laughing at them. "The obstacles to home ownership are what you make them" Spoken like a true baby boomer................  |
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Post by aureliuspotter on Oct 5, 2023 14:01:01 GMT
If the issue is just growing demand. Then can you explain how the number of private landlords and people with additional dwellings has doubled in the last 20 years? And in the same period we've went from 69% of homes being owner occupied to 60%. Seems like there are plenty of homes there it's just that they've been bought up by the rich. And to add if it is immigration which is the issue with housing. Then I ask: 1. Why did sunak u turn on his house building targets? 2. Why are they allowing so many legal immigrants in? Double that of the last labour government. And these are immigrants with visas based of policy created by the conservative party. It's DOUBLED. The last 20 years covers Labour, Tory/LibDem, and Tory administrations. There are more privately built housing because of private enterprise. Councils have not engaged in house building because of Tory austerity following the financial collapse in 2008 which put many house builders out of business. Oggy blames demand on Brexit. I am not a Tory and do not hold any political allegiance but when it comes to Brexit I agree with the true left, like Benn and Shore and Skinner and believe the UK should govern itself and not be run by the capitalist dominated EU. I believe in capitalism, but it must be strictly controlled otherwise you get what has happened to our water industry. Brussels is dominated by the capitalist lobby and dance to their tune. I see the EU are seeking to make another deal with China in the interests of German big business. www.reuters.com/world/china-could-do-a-lot-reduce-eu-perception-risk-eu-trade-chief-2023-09-25/The obstacles to home ownership are what you make them. A few years ago I met a free-lance bricklayer who had left school at 16, got an apprenticeship, and after a couple of years experience went freelance, working for who paid him the most. He had just put down a deposit for his first home and got a mortgage. He was 23 years old and his former school mates were coming out of uni with mickey mouse degrees and huge student loan debt. He was laughing at them. Excellent post. Spot on |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 5, 2023 14:19:44 GMT
The last 20 years covers Labour, Tory/LibDem, and Tory administrations. There are more privately built housing because of private enterprise. Councils have not engaged in house building because of Tory austerity following the financial collapse in 2008 which put many house builders out of business. Oggy blames demand on Brexit. I am not a Tory and do not hold any political allegiance but when it comes to Brexit I agree with the true left, like Benn and Shore and Skinner and believe the UK should govern itself and not be run by the capitalist dominated EU. I believe in capitalism, but it must be strictly controlled otherwise you get what has happened to our water industry. Brussels is dominated by the capitalist lobby and dance to their tune. I see the EU are seeking to make another deal with China in the interests of German big business. www.reuters.com/world/china-could-do-a-lot-reduce-eu-perception-risk-eu-trade-chief-2023-09-25/The obstacles to home ownership are what you make them. A few years ago I met a free-lance bricklayer who had left school at 16, got an apprenticeship, and after a couple of years experience went freelance, working for who paid him the most. He had just put down a deposit for his first home and got a mortgage. He was 23 years old and his former school mates were coming out of uni with mickey mouse degrees and huge student loan debt. He was laughing at them. Excellent post. Spot on Mr Coke seems to coveniently omit the fact that Thatcher sold off thousands of housing stock and passed laws making it impossible for councils to renew them. Hence local authority housing went into the private rental sector, hence why we have a housing crisis and a rental crisis. |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 5, 2023 14:30:18 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 5, 2023 14:37:34 GMT
As mentioned earlier....
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 5, 2023 15:21:40 GMT
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Post by essexstokey on Oct 5, 2023 15:32:52 GMT
The thing is if you don't vote you have no right to complain Personally I think it should be compulsory unless medically unable but on the ballet paper should be none of the above Would make people in parties work for every vote At the moment spoiling your ballot paper is the "none of the above" option - the number of spoilt ballot papers is recorded and interpreted as a measure of the disaffection with the political system. I want to see PR introduced and may well go down the spoiled spoilt ballot paper route at the next election as its going to be either Tory or Labour where I live and neither have PR in their manifesto at the moment. Be careful how you spoil it as there are some weared president out there |
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 5, 2023 15:34:20 GMT
If the issue is just growing demand. Then can you explain how the number of private landlords and people with additional dwellings has doubled in the last 20 years? And in the same period we've went from 69% of homes being owner occupied to 60%. Seems like there are plenty of homes there it's just that they've been bought up by the rich. And to add if it is immigration which is the issue with housing. Then I ask: 1. Why did sunak u turn on his house building targets? 2. Why are they allowing so many legal immigrants in? Double that of the last labour government. And these are immigrants with visas based of policy created by the conservative party. It's DOUBLED. The last 20 years covers Labour, Tory/LibDem, and Tory administrations. There are more privately built housing because of private enterprise. Councils have not engaged in house building because of Tory austerity following the financial collapse in 2008 which put many house builders out of business. Oggy blames demand on Brexit. I am not a Tory and do not hold any political allegiance but when it comes to Brexit I agree with the true left, like Benn and Shore and Skinner and believe the UK should govern itself and not be run by the capitalist dominated EU. I believe in capitalism, but it must be strictly controlled otherwise you get what has happened to our water industry. Brussels is dominated by the capitalist lobby and dance to their tune. I see the EU are seeking to make another deal with China in the interests of German big business. www.reuters.com/world/china-could-do-a-lot-reduce-eu-perception-risk-eu-trade-chief-2023-09-25/The obstacles to home ownership are what you make them. A few years ago I met a free-lance bricklayer who had left school at 16, got an apprenticeship, and after a couple of years experience went freelance, working for who paid him the most. He had just put down a deposit for his first home and got a mortgage. He was 23 years old and his former school mates were coming out of uni with mickey mouse degrees and huge student loan debt. He was laughing at them. Brexit has led to mass immigration here, and so increased demand for housing. The EU is the most regulated capitalist system on earth. So it aligns more with your supposed values than anywhere else on earth. The EU regulations are on businesses to benefit consumers and workers and individuals. Again, it aligns more with your supposed values than anywhere else on earth. |
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Post by mrcoke on Oct 5, 2023 16:13:38 GMT
The last 20 years covers Labour, Tory/LibDem, and Tory administrations. There are more privately built housing because of private enterprise. Councils have not engaged in house building because of Tory austerity following the financial collapse in 2008 which put many house builders out of business. Oggy blames demand on Brexit. I am not a Tory and do not hold any political allegiance but when it comes to Brexit I agree with the true left, like Benn and Shore and Skinner and believe the UK should govern itself and not be run by the capitalist dominated EU. I believe in capitalism, but it must be strictly controlled otherwise you get what has happened to our water industry. Brussels is dominated by the capitalist lobby and dance to their tune. I see the EU are seeking to make another deal with China in the interests of German big business. www.reuters.com/world/china-could-do-a-lot-reduce-eu-perception-risk-eu-trade-chief-2023-09-25/The obstacles to home ownership are what you make them. A few years ago I met a free-lance bricklayer who had left school at 16, got an apprenticeship, and after a couple of years experience went freelance, working for who paid him the most. He had just put down a deposit for his first home and got a mortgage. He was 23 years old and his former school mates were coming out of uni with mickey mouse degrees and huge student loan debt. He was laughing at them. Brexit has led to mass immigration here, and so increased demand for housing. The EU is the most regulated capitalist system on earth. So it aligns more with your supposed values than anywhere else on earth. The EU regulations are on businesses to benefit consumers and workers and individuals. Again, it aligns more with your supposed values than anywhere else on earth. Brexit has not led to mass immigration, which is normally no higher than the average: migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/long-term-international-migration-flows-to-and-from-the-uk/The article explains the reasons for higher immigration which are nothing to do with Brexit. A lot is due to relatives of EU citizens who moved to this country before Brexit. The non EU citizens coming to this country to work are filling jobs than need filling due to EU citizens leaving, long term sick, and over 50s who have retired. Maybe you would prefer the economy to go into recession like Germany, which has an even worse worker shortage. Foreign students are at record levels which generates a large income for the UK education system. Are you against that? All the above is leading to a housing shortage despite the highest number of building starts in Q2 since the 1980s. As for some on here blaming Thatcher for today's problems, that was over 30 years ago. I could blame the Germans for bombing my mother out of her house. |
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Post by aureliuspotter on Oct 5, 2023 16:22:12 GMT
Brexit has led to mass immigration here, and so increased demand for housing. The EU is the most regulated capitalist system on earth. So it aligns more with your supposed values than anywhere else on earth. The EU regulations are on businesses to benefit consumers and workers and individuals. Again, it aligns more with your supposed values than anywhere else on earth. Brexit has not led to mass immigration, which is normally no higher than the average: migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/long-term-international-migration-flows-to-and-from-the-uk/The article explains the reasons for higher immigration which are nothing to do with Brexit. A lot is due to relatives of EU citizens who moved to this country before Brexit. The non EU citizens coming to this country to work are filling jobs than need filling due to EU citizens leaving, long term sick, and over 50s who have retired. Maybe you would prefer the economy to go into recession like Germany, which has an even worse worker shortage. Foreign students are at record levels which generates a large income for the UK education system. Are you against that? All the above is leading to a housing shortage despite the highest number of building starts in Q2 since the 1980s. As for some on here blaming Thatcher for today's problems, that was over 30 years ago. I could blame the Germans for bombing my mother out of her house. Don't come on here talking facts please. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 5, 2023 16:47:05 GMT
Brexit has led to mass immigration here, and so increased demand for housing. The EU is the most regulated capitalist system on earth. So it aligns more with your supposed values than anywhere else on earth. The EU regulations are on businesses to benefit consumers and workers and individuals. Again, it aligns more with your supposed values than anywhere else on earth. Brexit has not led to mass immigration, which is normally no higher than the average: migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/long-term-international-migration-flows-to-and-from-the-uk/The article explains the reasons for higher immigration which are nothing to do with Brexit. A lot is due to relatives of EU citizens who moved to this country before Brexit. The non EU citizens coming to this country to work are filling jobs than need filling due to EU citizens leaving, long term sick, and over 50s who have retired. Maybe you would prefer the economy to go into recession like Germany, which has an even worse worker shortage. Foreign students are at record levels which generates a large income for the UK education system. Are you against that? All the above is leading to a housing shortage despite the highest number of building starts in Q2 since the 1980s. As for some on here blaming Thatcher for today's problems, that was over 30 years ago. I could blame the Germans for bombing my mother out of her house. I don’t actually think brexit has caused more immigration here. But the lie from the leave campaign was it would help us control our borders. The opposite is seemingly the case. I see immigration as generally good or neutral. The negative is our government’s failure to improve public services, or in the instance we are talking about, increase numbers of housing available which causes the problems. Do you disagree with my suggestions as to how to help with the housing demand? The housing developer lobby has funded the tories for years so the tories have never wanted to address the supply issue. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 5, 2023 17:01:26 GMT
Is that Huddy on his soap box? He’s better looking than I imagined |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 5, 2023 17:23:47 GMT
35 minutes to go. Pint at the ready
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Post by wagsastokie on Oct 5, 2023 17:38:26 GMT
You are absolutely correct about keeping an open mind. But sadly I'm that long in the tooth I've come to realise manifestos are mostly just waffle that they twist later down the line to say, well this is what we really meant. What we really need is the 2 main parties agreeing to place certain matters of great importance into a cross party arena. Whereby they committ to a joint plan for items like education, healthcare and the planning system. Instead of messing with these crucial items every election cycle just to protect their voter base. All that results is chaos with changes of direction constantly happening. You can't ever sort anything with all that going on. I completely agree with the second paragraph particularly. It seems to me that the consensus is that the voting system that only ever produces 2 possible outcomes is the problem. Almost no other places on earth have the outdated first past the post system. Until then, it is about the lesser of 2 evils. Labour members want proportional representation. Tory members obviously don’t as it kills their party. Therefore I think Labour are more likely to bring it in, especially if they have to rely on another party for power. PR encourages more parties to work together. If means we can vote for who we want rather than voting tactically to stop who we don’t want. It is the best way to get people engaging more in politics and feeling like their vote actually matters. To coin a phrase, it is the single best way to take back control of our country from millionaire corrupt politicians and empower people. For PR, vote green or lib dem (or possibly reform). PR has potentially given the Slovakian people a putin supporting apologist on the strength of polling 23% All hail democracy in action If it’s all right with you I’ll stick with the system where you can actually vote for the individual person to represent you |
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Post by mrcoke on Oct 5, 2023 18:10:52 GMT
Brexit has not led to mass immigration, which is normally no higher than the average: migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/long-term-international-migration-flows-to-and-from-the-uk/The article explains the reasons for higher immigration which are nothing to do with Brexit. A lot is due to relatives of EU citizens who moved to this country before Brexit. The non EU citizens coming to this country to work are filling jobs than need filling due to EU citizens leaving, long term sick, and over 50s who have retired. Maybe you would prefer the economy to go into recession like Germany, which has an even worse worker shortage. Foreign students are at record levels which generates a large income for the UK education system. Are you against that? All the above is leading to a housing shortage despite the highest number of building starts in Q2 since the 1980s. As for some on here blaming Thatcher for today's problems, that was over 30 years ago. I could blame the Germans for bombing my mother out of her house. I don’t actually think brexit has caused more immigration here. But the lie from the leave campaign was it would help us control our borders. The opposite is seemingly the case. I see immigration as generally good or neutral. The negative is our government’s failure to improve public services, or in the instance we are talking about, increase numbers of housing available which causes the problems. Do you disagree with my suggestions as to how to help with the housing demand? The housing developer lobby has funded the tories for years so the tories have never wanted to address the supply issue. Thank you for your clarification on immigration. We do have controls on legal immigration. Illegal immigration is another matter. Since leaving the EU and establishing stricter border controls , the illegal immigrants are coming in by dinghy rather than in the back of lorries. Who knows how many there were before Brexit? We were told that there were 3.5 million EU nationals disenfranchised by not being allowed to vote in the referendum. Since Brexit nearly 6 million former EU nationals have applied for citizenship and when they get it, their relatives are coming. I am in favour of immigration not neutral. We need immigrants to fill empty jobs and do essential work UK citizens don't want to do. The NHS has always been highly dependant on immigrant workers. I'm against freedom of movement and EU citizens coming in and displacing UK citizens from jobs they want to do. Germany is taking action to increase immigration due to over a million shortage of workers. I'm not sure about social housing. I have council housing near where I live and the repair/maintenance vans are always there! I wonder who is paying. Extravagant jobs like replacing all the roof tiles because they are covered in moss go on. If a future Labour government want to start building council houses that's democracy. Currently virtually all housing developments include affordable housing as a precondition of planning consent. That reduces the profits of developers who then recover their profit by charging far more for the better housing than it costs to build. Building could be faster if the planning approval process could be speeded up but we have to allow the the NIMBYs have their say. There are also stringent rules and conditions set by the Environment Agency. We are storing up a lot of potential problems in the future by building housing estates on flood plain. commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-7747/The number of houses being built has been rising since the 2008, apart from the pandemic period. It would be faster if there were more builders as well, the country is short of skilled craftsmen. So we need more immigrants! The aging UK native population is growing so we need more immigrants to help generate wealth and provide services. We also need more automation etc. In the past employers have not bothered to invest to improve productivity because it was easier to hire cheap labour. Now labour is more expensive and in short supply we can expect investment to boost productivity. www.forbes.com/sites/serenitygibbons/2023/02/02/2023-business-predictions-as-ai-and-automation-rise-in-popularity/The only way to get more housing currently is to let developers make big profits so they build more. Taking control with social housing by government would starve building worker resources even more than they already are. |
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Post by Gawa on Oct 5, 2023 18:28:34 GMT
I completely agree with the second paragraph particularly. It seems to me that the consensus is that the voting system that only ever produces 2 possible outcomes is the problem. Almost no other places on earth have the outdated first past the post system. Until then, it is about the lesser of 2 evils. Labour members want proportional representation. Tory members obviously don’t as it kills their party. Therefore I think Labour are more likely to bring it in, especially if they have to rely on another party for power. PR encourages more parties to work together. If means we can vote for who we want rather than voting tactically to stop who we don’t want. It is the best way to get people engaging more in politics and feeling like their vote actually matters. To coin a phrase, it is the single best way to take back control of our country from millionaire corrupt politicians and empower people. For PR, vote green or lib dem (or possibly reform). PR has potentially given the Slovakian people a putin supporting apologist on the strength of polling 23% All hail democracy in action If it’s all right with you I’ll stick with the system where you can actually vote for the individual person to represent you FPTP gave the American people a Putin and Kim Jong Un apologist. Swings and roundabouts. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 5, 2023 18:31:53 GMT
I completely agree with the second paragraph particularly. It seems to me that the consensus is that the voting system that only ever produces 2 possible outcomes is the problem. Almost no other places on earth have the outdated first past the post system. Until then, it is about the lesser of 2 evils. Labour members want proportional representation. Tory members obviously don’t as it kills their party. Therefore I think Labour are more likely to bring it in, especially if they have to rely on another party for power. PR encourages more parties to work together. If means we can vote for who we want rather than voting tactically to stop who we don’t want. It is the best way to get people engaging more in politics and feeling like their vote actually matters. To coin a phrase, it is the single best way to take back control of our country from millionaire corrupt politicians and empower people. For PR, vote green or lib dem (or possibly reform). PR has potentially given the Slovakian people a putin supporting apologist on the strength of polling 23% All hail democracy in action If it’s all right with you I’ll stick with the system where you can actually vote for the individual person to represent you What about all the other nations that have PR or a form of proportional voting that don’t have a Putin apologist. 23% is more of the electorate than those who backed Cameron one time. A single transferable vote system means you can vote for the individual person you want to represent you. But it means that you need a majority to get in for each MP, and if you don’t have a majority you look at the second preference for the person with the fewest 1st place votes. FPTP means you vote for one of the two realistic options who can win in your seat. Often that wouldn’t be your preferred choice (unless you like Labour or Conservatives) so most people don’t get to vote for the individual you want to represent you. So it means those two parties have a stranglehold on power and you get no new ideas and you only need a quarter of the electorate to win. |
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