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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 4, 2023 21:08:00 GMT
Utterly bizarre. Just WTF was that actually all about? They're having a collective, existential meltdown ... |
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Post by Gawa on Oct 4, 2023 21:19:09 GMT
šššš These deep AI fakes are well good. |
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Post by LDE76 on Oct 4, 2023 21:19:27 GMT
Utterly bizarre. Just WTF was that actually all about? They're having a collective, existential meltdown ... Why does that remind me of this? |
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Oct 4, 2023 21:29:30 GMT
This government are taking us for fools. If anyone from the North votes them in, they want their fucking heads looking at. They have shown their true colours and I doubt very much that the infrastructure will change for most of the country. The HS2 failure reminds me of a diluted version of Brexit. Lies,lies and more lies. They simply cannot be trusted and I sincerely hope the general public wake up and vote with their feet. I'm fuming but sadly not surprised in the slightest.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 4, 2023 21:31:58 GMT
Utterly bizarre. Just WTF was that actually all about? They're having a collective, existential meltdown ... Why does that remind me of this? Nailed it! |
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Post by suck_the_mop. on Oct 4, 2023 21:56:21 GMT
As i have said earlier in the thread i won't be voting at all for any of them.. same old regurgitated shit from both frontline parties and lets face it none of it works else they wouldn't keep flip flopping between the two parties every other election.
My vote will stay in my pocket until something fresh new and viable comes along. (Not likely)
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Post by aureliuspotter on Oct 4, 2023 22:20:29 GMT
šššš These deep AI fakes are well good. You'd give her one though wouldn't ya š |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 5, 2023 5:30:46 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 5, 2023 5:37:36 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 5, 2023 6:20:41 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 5, 2023 6:27:55 GMT
As i have said earlier in the thread i won't be voting at all for any of them.. same old regurgitated shit from both frontline parties and lets face it none of it works else they wouldn't keep flip flopping between the two parties every other election. My vote will stay in my pocket until something fresh new and viable comes along. (Not likely) We havenāt flipped between the two parties at every election. The Tories have been in charge for 13 years and thatās 3 (or more) elections. This whole theyāre both as bad as each other crap is just thatā¦.crap. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 5, 2023 6:52:31 GMT
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 5, 2023 6:56:03 GMT
As i have said earlier in the thread i won't be voting at all for any of them.. same old regurgitated shit from both frontline parties and lets face it none of it works else they wouldn't keep flip flopping between the two parties every other election. My vote will stay in my pocket until something fresh new and viable comes along. (Not likely) We havenāt flip flopped at all! 13 years of Tory rule after a decade of labour, after 18 years or so of Tory. We choose one and stick for years and then change. And donāt judge labour (or anyone else) by the tory party conference. All I am saying, is read the election manifestos when they are released and if you still dislike all then do whatever. But if you donāt vote you have no right to moan about anything. And if it is the 2 party system you hate, back a party proposing to change the voting system that means we only have 2 parties who can win: lib dem, green and possibly reform all want proportional representation. |
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Post by essexstokey on Oct 5, 2023 7:20:00 GMT
As i have said earlier in the thread i won't be voting at all for any of them.. same old regurgitated shit from both frontline parties and lets face it none of it works else they wouldn't keep flip flopping between the two parties every other election. My vote will stay in my pocket until something fresh new and viable comes along. (Not likely) The thing is if you don't vote you have no right to complain Personally I think it should be compulsory unless medically unable but on the ballet paper should be none of the above Would make people in parties work for every vote |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 5, 2023 7:21:10 GMT
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Oct 5, 2023 7:38:18 GMT
Number 2 raises an interesting point - how much have they spent on buying land, and what is going to be done with that land now? |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 5, 2023 8:10:22 GMT
Number 2 raises an interesting point - how much have they spent on buying land, and what is going to be done with that land now? Absolutely - Stanley Johnson got 4 million big ones for his place. |
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Post by Gawa on Oct 5, 2023 8:14:27 GMT
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Post by mrcoke on Oct 5, 2023 8:45:06 GMT
UK is the worst developed country to find a house. Why? My apologies, I should have included in my Quarter 2 2023 Brexit review that UK house building starts were at the highest that quarter since the 1980s. That's despite the hike in interest rates. tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/housing-startsHouse building in the UK collapsed as a result of the financial crisis in 2008 and many companies went out of business. Since then it has slowly recovered despite government austerity. Since leaving the EU house building is booming in the UK. The government sought to relax planning rules but have been howled down. So why is there such a shortage? Because there is huge and growing demand. The increase in interest rates has only slightly dented demand. Demand is high because of high immigration. Builders of student accommodation are having a boom time. |
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Post by phileetin on Oct 5, 2023 8:51:29 GMT
UK is the worst developed country to find a house. Why? My apologies, I should have included in my Quarter 2 2023 Brexit review that UK house building starts were at the highest that quarter since the 1980s. That's despite the hike in interest rates. tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/housing-startsHouse building in the UK collapsed as a result of the financial crisis in 2008 and many companies went out of business. Since then it has slowly recovered despite government austerity. Since leaving the EU house building is booming in the UK. The government sought to relax planning rules but have been howled down. So why is there such a shortage? Because there is huge and growing demand. The increase in interest rates has only slightly dented demand. Demand is high because of high immigration. Builders of student accommodation are having a boom time.
love it when a leftie gets slapped down .
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Post by Gawa on Oct 5, 2023 8:59:08 GMT
UK is the worst developed country to find a house. Why? My apologies, I should have included in my Quarter 2 2023 Brexit review that UK house building starts were at the highest that quarter since the 1980s. That's despite the hike in interest rates. tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/housing-startsHouse building in the UK collapsed as a result of the financial crisis in 2008 and many companies went out of business. Since then it has slowly recovered despite government austerity. Since leaving the EU house building is booming in the UK. The government sought to relax planning rules but have been howled down. So why is there such a shortage? Because there is huge and growing demand. The increase in interest rates has only slightly dented demand. Demand is high because of high immigration. Builders of student accommodation are having a boom time.Ā If the issue is just growing demand. Then can you explain how the number of private landlords and people with additional dwellings has doubled in the last 20 years?  And in the same period we've went from 69% of homes being owner occupied to 60%. Seems like there are plenty of homes there it's just that they've been bought up by the rich. And to add if it is immigration which is the issue with housing. Then I ask: 1. Why did sunak u turn on his house building targets? 2. Why are they allowing so many legal immigrants in? Double that of the last labour government. And these are immigrants with visas based of policy created by the conservative party. It's DOUBLED. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 5, 2023 8:59:55 GMT
UK is the worst developed country to find a house. Why? My apologies, I should have included in my Quarter 2 2023 Brexit review that UK house building starts were at the highest that quarter since the 1980s. That's despite the hike in interest rates. tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/housing-startsHouse building in the UK collapsed as a result of the financial crisis in 2008 and many companies went out of business. Since then it has slowly recovered despite government austerity. Since leaving the EU house building is booming in the UK. The government sought to relax planning rules but have been howled down. So why is there such a shortage? Because there is huge and growing demand. The increase in interest rates has only slightly dented demand. Demand is high because of high immigration. Builders of student accommodation are having a boom time.Ā Read the article. It says: ā has the lowest percentage of vacant homes per capita in the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD), a group of 38 nations, including most of the EU the US, Japan and Australia.ā Brexit has led to records levels of migration here. So brexit has worsened the situation significantly. A lot more house building is needed. Rents are more expensive here compared with incomes than the comparables because there arenāt many rental properties. So air BnB/short term holiday lets need to require special licences and income on them should be taxed more than normal rental income, so there are more rental properties to meet supply. Owners with more than 1 property should be taxed more on wealth. Also, those getting benefits for housing should just be in social housing. Unrealistic since Thatcher destroyed social housing stock and then decades of no building social housing. So they need to make social housing mandatory as part of housing developments, and tax landlords who get money from government via their tenantās benefits to be taxed more or have rent caps. |
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Post by elystokie on Oct 5, 2023 9:04:15 GMT
UK is the worst developed country to find a house. Why? My apologies, I should have included in my Quarter 2 2023 Brexit review that UK house building starts were at the highest that quarter since the 1980s. That's despite the hike in interest rates. tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/housing-startsHouse building in the UK collapsed as a result of the financial crisis in 2008 and many companies went out of business. Since then it has slowly recovered despite government austerity. Since leaving the EU house building is booming in the UK. The government sought to relax planning rules but have been howled down. So why is there such a shortage? Because there is huge and growing demand. The increase in interest rates has only slightly dented demand. Demand is high because of high immigration. Builders of student accommodation are having a boom time.Ā If the issue is just growing demand. Then can you explain how the number of private landlords and people with additional dwellings has doubled in the last 20 years? And in the same period we've went from 69% of homes being owner occupied to 60%. Seems like there are plenty of homes there it's just that they've been bought up by the rich. He talking bollocks. It's a bubble, like it was in the early 90s and it was in 2008, it'll burst again in the next few years. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 5, 2023 9:05:05 GMT
UK is the worst developed country to find a house. Why? My apologies, I should have included in my Quarter 2 2023 Brexit review that UK house building starts were at the highest that quarter since the 1980s. That's despite the hike in interest rates. tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/housing-startsHouse building in the UK collapsed as a result of the financial crisis in 2008 and many companies went out of business. Since then it has slowly recovered despite government austerity. Since leaving the EU house building is booming in the UK. The government sought to relax planning rules but have been howled down. So why is there such a shortage? Because there is huge and growing demand. The increase in interest rates has only slightly dented demand. Demand is high because of high immigration. Builders of student accommodation are having a boom time.Ā love it when a leftie gets slapped down .
Iām not a lefty. See my reply. The demand grows faster because of brexit |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 5, 2023 9:11:29 GMT
UK is the worst developed country to find a house. Why? My apologies, I should have included in my Quarter 2 2023 Brexit review that UK house building starts were at the highest that quarter since the 1980s. That's despite the hike in interest rates. tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/housing-startsHouse building in the UK collapsed as a result of the financial crisis in 2008 and many companies went out of business. Since then it has slowly recovered despite government austerity. Since leaving the EU house building is booming in the UK. The government sought to relax planning rules but have been howled down. So why is there such a shortage? Because there is huge and growing demand. The increase in interest rates has only slightly dented demand. Demand is high because of high immigration. Builders of student accommodation are having a boom time.Ā If the issue is just growing demand. Then can you explain how the number of private landlords and people with additional dwellings has doubled in the last 20 years? And in the same period we've went from 69% of homes being owner occupied to 60%. Seems like there are plenty of homes there it's just that they've been bought up by the rich. The existential problem in this country is actually very simple to identify. And its an all party problem exacerbated by both labour and the current fools in power. Our planning system is a total and utter mess and we can't deliver projects efficiently, on time or within budget whether it be 5 houses or a hs2 rail project. And the reason nothing ever gets sorted is down to you me and the rest of us. Why? Because we are a nation of nimbys who oppose all development. So we kind of like the planning system being shit because we don't have to worry about that new housing estate or that rail project that will see a rail line run 2 miles away from my little village. 70 miles of the 90 miles of hs2 from west London to Birmingham was underground š to keep the nimbys happy. Sort the planning system out and we can begin to actually get on with shit and modernise. Until then forget it. |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Oct 5, 2023 9:17:31 GMT
As i have said earlier in the thread i won't be voting at all for any of them.. same old regurgitated shit from both frontline parties and lets face it none of it works else they wouldn't keep flip flopping between the two parties every other election. My vote will stay in my pocket until something fresh new and viable comes along. (Not likely) The thing is if you don't vote you have no right to complain Personally I think it should be compulsory unless medically unable but on the ballet paper should be none of the above Would make people in parties work for every vote At the moment spoiling your ballot paper is the "none of the above" option - the number of spoilt ballot papers is recorded and interpreted as a measure of the disaffection with the political system. I want to see PR introduced and may well go down the spoiled spoilt ballot paper route at the next election as its going to be either Tory or Labour where I live and neither have PR in their manifesto at the moment. |
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Post by Gawa on Oct 5, 2023 9:19:16 GMT
If the issue is just growing demand. Then can you explain how the number of private landlords and people with additional dwellings has doubled in the last 20 years? And in the same period we've went from 69% of homes being owner occupied to 60%. Seems like there are plenty of homes there it's just that they've been bought up by the rich. The existential problem in this country is actually very simple to identify. And its an all party problem exacerbated by both labour and the current fools in power. Our planning system is a total and utter mess and we can't deliver projects efficiently, on time or within budget whether it be 5 houses or a hs2 rail project. And the reason nothing ever gets sorted is down to you me and the rest of us. Why? Because we are a nation of nimbys who oppose all development. So we kind of like the planning system being shit because we don't have to worry about that new housing estate or that rail project that will see a rail line run 2 miles away from my little village. 70 miles of the 90 miles of hs2 from west London to Birmingham was underground š to keep the nimbys happy. Sort the planning system out and we can begin to actually get on with shit and modernise. Until then forget it. Defo agree that it contributes especially down the south of England where any new housing is regularly opposed. Probably helps to keep the prices inflated too. The other problem is the cost of everything in this country. You can build a railway in France much quicker for a 10th of the price. Too many dodgy contracts being handed out willy nilly unchallenged. Whether its the covid contracts or the Teesport for a quid. Those in power are incentivised to sort their mates out with contracts rather than getting best value for the country. |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 5, 2023 9:21:42 GMT
The thing is if you don't vote you have no right to complain Personally I think it should be compulsory unless medically unable but on the ballet paper should be none of the above Would make people in parties work for every vote At the moment spoiling your ballot paper is the "none of the above" option - the number of spoilt ballot papers is recorded and interpreted as a measure of the disaffection with the political system. I want to see PR introduced and may well go down the spoiled spoilt ballot paper route at the next election as its going to be either Tory or Labour where I live and neither have PR in their manifesto at the moment. I did not know they recorded spoilt ballot papers. I shall be turning up at the ballot in that case and spoiling my ballot paper š |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 5, 2023 9:28:47 GMT
The existential problem in this country is actually very simple to identify. And its an all party problem exacerbated by both labour and the current fools in power. Our planning system is a total and utter mess and we can't deliver projects efficiently, on time or within budget whether it be 5 houses or a hs2 rail project. And the reason nothing ever gets sorted is down to you me and the rest of us. Why? Because we are a nation of nimbys who oppose all development. So we kind of like the planning system being shit because we don't have to worry about that new housing estate or that rail project that will see a rail line run 2 miles away from my little village. 70 miles of the 90 miles of hs2 from west London to Birmingham was underground š to keep the nimbys happy. Sort the planning system out and we can begin to actually get on with shit and modernise. Until then forget it. Defo agree that it contributes especially down the south of England where any new housing is regularly opposed. Probably helps to keep the prices inflated too. The other problem is the cost of everything in this country. You can build a railway in France much quicker for a 10th of the price. Too many dodgy contracts being handed out willy nilly unchallenged. Whether its the covid contracts or the Teesport for a quid. Those in power are incentivised to sort their mates out with contracts rather than getting best value for the country. Our rail costs so much mostly because we put shit loads of it underground. To keep nimbys happy. And from a long term planning view what does that mean for ongoing maintenance. What happens when the underground sections need substantial repair? No long term vision and fighting local interest groups of increasing variety and numbers and we tie ourselves in knots. Sort the planning system out on a cross party basis is the only way. Otherwise its all political and the can just keeps on getting kicked down the road. Change this one thing and we could unleash real modernisation. |
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Post by aureliuspotter on Oct 5, 2023 9:42:23 GMT
As i have said earlier in the thread i won't be voting at all for any of them.. same old regurgitated shit from both frontline parties and lets face it none of it works else they wouldn't keep flip flopping between the two parties every other election. My vote will stay in my pocket until something fresh new and viable comes along. (Not likely) Spot on. The cycle will repeat. We'll flip from scummy Torys to scummy Labour then back again. I might vote in a tactical sense not because I think it'll make a difference because I know it won't. The choice is shall I vote Labour as a gesture to Sunak and Co or shall in vote Tory as a gesture to Starmer and other leftys. Or shall I do something more productive like having a dump. I'll see how I feel come the time. |
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