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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 21, 2023 14:40:30 GMT
The housing stuff will and already is coming through planning law and S106 agreements with developers. Not sure when the heat pumps kicks in but the outside HV Electric points will come into being in 2025. And they all lie all the time. All about votes and saying the right thing at the current time knowing full well they can reverse course when required. But I kind of disagree about the culture wars. The supposed left of society can't keep championing these causes like boys playing in girls sports and all the other crazy things we hear and then claim the supposed right of society is engaging in a culture war when they have an opposing view because they have real concerns that some of these things are harmful for society. Its a bit like slapping someone and then not expecting a fight. Takes two to tango as they say You see, this is where we differ. I don’t think the left do champion causes like you say they do. I think the right wing media finds someone that is, reports on it (even though it doesn’t impact 99.99% of the population in any way whatsoever), and then questions get asked of Labour politicians about it which are impossible to answer in a way that pleases everyone (like the definition of a woman), and then the right jump on it and get everyone to focus on that rather than the cost of living crisis! Fair enough. Different opinions. But yeah the constant bickering is tiring. I couldn't give a toss if a bloke wants to dress as a bird and be called Mary. But I don't want drag queens in sussies reading my 4 year old stories in class or at the local library. Are there any libraries left or have the tories shut them all down now 😆 But the specific define a woman one should not be controversial. Its simple biology. And deep down we all know it despite concerns about hurt feelings and offending people. |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Sept 21, 2023 14:46:52 GMT
He's gone totally hatstand.
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Post by oggyoggy on Sept 21, 2023 15:56:48 GMT
You see, this is where we differ. I don’t think the left do champion causes like you say they do. I think the right wing media finds someone that is, reports on it (even though it doesn’t impact 99.99% of the population in any way whatsoever), and then questions get asked of Labour politicians about it which are impossible to answer in a way that pleases everyone (like the definition of a woman), and then the right jump on it and get everyone to focus on that rather than the cost of living crisis! Fair enough. Different opinions. But yeah the constant bickering is tiring. I couldn't give a toss if a bloke wants to dress as a bird and be called Mary. But I don't want drag queens in sussies reading my 4 year old stories in class or at the local library. Are there any libraries left or have the tories shut them all down now 😆 But the specific define a woman one should not be controversial. Its simple biology. And deep down we all know it despite concerns about hurt feelings and offending people. I think the definition of a woman question can only really be answered by those who are a certain gender but feel they are a different gender. The rest of us just don’t understand what that is like at all and so how can we really comment? |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 21, 2023 15:59:03 GMT
He's gone totally hatstand. He really does hold us all in utter contempt doesn't he? It's abundantly clear that he looks down on us all, genuinely believing we are all a bunch of moronic half-wits who will (I suppose probably reaffirmed by the Brexit campaign actually) swallow any old shit. Labour should do a counter video about their REAL policies ... Cut NHS waiting lists ... Gone! Clean British rivers ... Gone! Grow the economy ... Gone! Reduce debt ... Gone! Reduce immigration ... Gone! Safe schools for our children ... Gone! Get Rishi Sunak & the Tories ... Gone! |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 21, 2023 16:42:53 GMT
Fair enough. Different opinions. But yeah the constant bickering is tiring. I couldn't give a toss if a bloke wants to dress as a bird and be called Mary. But I don't want drag queens in sussies reading my 4 year old stories in class or at the local library. Are there any libraries left or have the tories shut them all down now 😆 But the specific define a woman one should not be controversial. Its simple biology. And deep down we all know it despite concerns about hurt feelings and offending people. I think the definition of a woman question can only really be answered by those who are a certain gender but feel they are a different gender. The rest of us just don’t understand what that is like at all and so how can we really comment? Then I suspect they have gender dysphoria and need some medical and or psychological intervention. And no its not nice to feel that way but reality is reality ultimately. And why can they be the only people to answer the what is a woman question? That view might piss a few women off maybe 👀 |
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Post by essexstokey on Sept 21, 2023 16:53:39 GMT
He gave up on looking for the Chinese 5 spies and went looking for Russian 5 spieshttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-66879181 😁
Reminds me of yes prominster when the govt was in trouble sir Humphrey said the usual diversion is to evict Russians as spirs
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Sept 21, 2023 17:25:16 GMT
He's gone totally hatstand. He really does hold us all in utter contempt doesn't he? It's abundantly clear that he looks down on us all, genuinely believing we are all a bunch of moronic half-wits who will (I suppose probably reaffirmed by the Brexit campaign actually) swallow any old shit. Labour should do a counter video about their REAL policies ... Cut NHS waiting lists ... Gone! Clean British rivers ... Gone! Grow the economy ... Gone! Reduce debt ... Gone! Reduce immigration ... Gone! Safe schools for our children ... Gone! Get Rishi Sunak & the Tories ... Gone! Labour should say right now that they will initiate a criminal enquiry within days of entering office. Be a vote winner 🏆 |
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Post by aureliuspotter on Sept 21, 2023 17:31:57 GMT
I think the definition of a woman question can only really be answered by those who are a certain gender but feel they are a different gender. The rest of us just don’t understand what that is like at all and so how can we really comment? Then I suspect they have gender dysphoria and need some medical and or psychological intervention. And no its not nice to feel that way but reality is reality ultimately. And why can they be the only people to answer the what is a woman question? That view might piss a few women off maybe 👀 Anyone can answer that question, they might not like it or want us to but that doesn't change anything. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Sept 21, 2023 18:46:25 GMT
He really does hold us all in utter contempt doesn't he? It's abundantly clear that he looks down on us all, genuinely believing we are all a bunch of moronic half-wits who will (I suppose probably reaffirmed by the Brexit campaign actually) swallow any old shit. Labour should do a counter video about their REAL policies ... Cut NHS waiting lists ... Gone! Clean British rivers ... Gone! Grow the economy ... Gone! Reduce debt ... Gone! Reduce immigration ... Gone! Safe schools for our children ... Gone! Get Rishi Sunak & the Tories ... Gone! Labour should say right now that they will initiate a criminal enquiry within days of entering office. Be a vote winner 🏆 It would, but it'd also make a rod for their own back so that the subsequent administration would probably do the same (although I agree that with this lot in particular corruption runs right through them). The danger would be you'd end up in the same daft situation we have in the US where every modern president has impeachment proceedings attempted against them! |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Sept 21, 2023 19:13:24 GMT
Not sure anyone ever said they were some kind of panacea, more that they were a better option, taking everything into account over the entire production and lifecycle of their existence. That RAC article appears to confirm that. Seems a pretty fair and balanced article by an organisation which, as far as I'm aware is not pilitically aligned and is simply trying to provide information about this aspect of car travel. Completely agree about having that open debate and that piece makes a decent contribution to it. I think it's pretty obvious that, overall, if you want to make your own contribution towards living a more sustainable life EV is the way to go. I don't know chief. It kind of reminds me of the whole George Floyd thing where we were told to bow at the blm alter or you're a racist. Or the covid debacle where it was follow the science. And if you don't or question it the shaming begins. Remember the killing your Gran narrative. And so it is again with all this climate stuff. Agree with what we say, the science is settled blah blah. People are getting wise to it and some quite rightly are beginning to question more deeply despite the shaming. And I for one am bloody glad they are. I mean how arrogant to say its settled science and that we have the 100% correct solution after all we've been through recently. Not buying it myself. Well, we'll see I guess. I'm quite happy to switch to an EV and to try to do my best in not polluting the environment, as much as I can avoid it, that is! It seems a no-brainer really. If we are heading for climate catastrophe then living in a more sustainable way will, hopefully, avoid the worst of it. If we're not, then doing so means you end up with a nice clean unpolluted environment to live in. Either way, sounds good. And better than gambling on the alternative, for sure. I'm not sure science is ever settled, it's not really how it works, but it's fair to say the consensus is that we're heading for some very unpleasant climate consequences and that there is still, just, some time to do something about it, not helped by Sunak's recent decision! I guess if it does all come crashing down in the future it'll be a leveller. It won't matter how well off you are when people are scrabbling over the last tin of beans in the supermarket. You can't eat money. |
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Post by knype on Sept 21, 2023 19:14:55 GMT
Thats rich about coming back with insults...  Where have I insulted you? I ask again, why do you disagree with Bryant for saying the government should stick to the ministerial code and be accountable for their actions and policies? Surely everyone can agree on that as a very basic principle for our leaders? I wasn't referring to you... Bryant is an absolute knob. Of course they should stick to the ministerial code but hanging him up there as someone to follow is just wrong imo |
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Post by knype on Sept 21, 2023 19:15:44 GMT
What is the right thing? Your opinion? His opinion? It's not "his" opinion, he's clearly stating the principles of a parliamentary democracy. Now you either knew that and decided to ignore it, or you hate the man so much you throw out cheap insults yet again. You've got form for this behaviour. Irony klaxon |
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Post by knype on Sept 21, 2023 19:17:33 GMT
He really does hold us all in utter contempt doesn't he? It's abundantly clear that he looks down on us all, genuinely believing we are all a bunch of moronic half-wits who will (I suppose probably reaffirmed by the Brexit campaign actually) swallow any old shit. Labour should do a counter video about their REAL policies ... Cut NHS waiting lists ... Gone! Clean British rivers ... Gone! Grow the economy ... Gone! Reduce debt ... Gone! Reduce immigration ... Gone! Safe schools for our children ... Gone! Get Rishi Sunak & the Tories ... Gone! Labour should say right now that they will initiate a criminal enquiry within days of entering office. Be a vote winner 🏆 Only for you rabid loony lefters |
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Post by oggyoggy on Sept 21, 2023 19:36:47 GMT
I think the definition of a woman question can only really be answered by those who are a certain gender but feel they are a different gender. The rest of us just don’t understand what that is like at all and so how can we really comment? Then I suspect they have gender dysphoria and need some medical and or psychological intervention. And no its not nice to feel that way but reality is reality ultimately. And why can they be the only people to answer the what is a woman question? That view might piss a few women off maybe 👀 I think they are the only people who can answer the question from their perspective. Because I certainly don’t understand it. And I don’t think you do either (and neither do so many others on here). What I don’t understand is why so many people care about it. It has no impact on the vast majority and of people’s lives so why care about it. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Sept 21, 2023 19:37:50 GMT
Where have I insulted you? I ask again, why do you disagree with Bryant for saying the government should stick to the ministerial code and be accountable for their actions and policies? Surely everyone can agree on that as a very basic principle for our leaders? I wasn't referring to you... Bryant is an absolute knob. Of course they should stick to the ministerial code but hanging him up there as someone to follow is just wrong imo So you agree with Bryant’s post. We got there in the end! You just don’t like the bloke which is fair enough. |
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Post by knype on Sept 21, 2023 19:39:19 GMT
I wasn't referring to you... Bryant is an absolute knob. Of course they should stick to the ministerial code but hanging him up there as someone to follow is just wrong imo So you agree with Bryant’s post. We got there in the end! You just don’t like the bloke which is fair enough. The bloke is a 1st class bellend. And anyone who disagrees hasn't seen the photo of him in his pants... |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 21, 2023 20:02:09 GMT
Labour should say right now that they will initiate a criminal enquiry within days of entering office. Be a vote winner 🏆 Only for you rabid loony lefters Eh? So you're perfectly happy for them to mug you off, without any consequences? Bollocks to that! |
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Post by knype on Sept 21, 2023 20:03:18 GMT
Only for you rabid loony lefters Eh? So you're perfectly happy for them to mug you off, without any consequences? Bollocks to that! All governments mug us off.. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 21, 2023 20:08:11 GMT
Eh? So you're perfectly happy for them to mug you off, without any consequences? Bollocks to that! All governments mug us off.. So if Labour go after the individuals who have just robbed us blind for billions, by providing contracts to their mates for which we got nothing in return, you wouldn't want them to do it? |
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Post by knype on Sept 21, 2023 20:11:03 GMT
All governments mug us off.. So if Labour go after the individuals who have just robbed us blind for billions, by providing contracts to their mates for which we got nothing in return, you wouldn't want them to do it? Not bothered one way or the other, how far do we go back with it ? Suing Blair for the WMD lies? That cost lives and billions too |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 21, 2023 20:20:17 GMT
So if Labour go after the individuals who have just robbed us blind for billions, by providing contracts to their mates for which we got nothing in return, you wouldn't want them to do it? Not bothered one way or the other, how far do we go back with it ? Suing Blair for the WMD lies? That cost lives and billions too If you're not bothered either way, that's your prerogative I guess but this is blatant corruption, where decisions have been taken to deliberately rob the public purse, in order to syphon off money to their mates. A few very public prosecutions might make individuals in the future, think twice about trying it again. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 21, 2023 20:24:22 GMT
I really don’t care to much for politics😉
But does anyone really think things will be different under a labour government?
Way I see it is, the country is being driven through the mud in every way you could imagine and as it stands Starmer and co seem to pretty much agree with the government on most issues unless I’ve missed something?
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Post by Gawa on Sept 21, 2023 20:37:43 GMT
I really don’t care to much for politics😉 But does anyone really think things will be different under a labour government? Way I see it is, the country is being driven through the mud in every way you could imagine and as it stands Starmer and co seem to pretty much agree with the government on most issues unless I’ve missed something? For me. I think if we vote conservative again as a country then we're basically saying we think they've done a good job and the current state of affairs is acceptable. I can't say I'm confident a labour majority would solve the issues. But I can't personally vote for the current regime. I'd rather go further right and give reform a try than stick with this lot. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 21, 2023 20:42:49 GMT
I really don’t care to much for politics😉 But does anyone really think things will be different under a labour government? Way I see it is, the country is being driven through the mud in every way you could imagine and as it stands Starmer and co seem to pretty much agree with the government on most issues unless I’ve missed something? For me. I think if we vote conservative again as a country then we're basically saying we think they've done a good job and the current state of affairs is acceptable. I can't say I'm confident a labour majority would solve the issues. But I can't personally vote for the current regime. I'd rather go further right and give reform a try than stick with this lot. That’s it Gawa, get on the Reform fun train. Choo choooo |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 21, 2023 20:54:17 GMT
Then I suspect they have gender dysphoria and need some medical and or psychological intervention. And no its not nice to feel that way but reality is reality ultimately. And why can they be the only people to answer the what is a woman question? That view might piss a few women off maybe 👀 I think they are the only people who can answer the question from their perspective. Because I certainly don’t understand it. And I don’t think you do either (and neither do so many others on here). What I don’t understand is why so many people care about it. It has no impact on the vast majority and of people’s lives so why care about it. Ah, I think we are musing different things. I am just simply asking for the definition of a woman. A simple concept. However yes I agree I've no idea how it feels to be wired so that you believe you are a different sex to the one that your equipment would have you believe. It must be very strange I agree and no I've no idea how that must feel. |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 21, 2023 20:58:24 GMT
I don't know chief. It kind of reminds me of the whole George Floyd thing where we were told to bow at the blm alter or you're a racist. Or the covid debacle where it was follow the science. And if you don't or question it the shaming begins. Remember the killing your Gran narrative. And so it is again with all this climate stuff. Agree with what we say, the science is settled blah blah. People are getting wise to it and some quite rightly are beginning to question more deeply despite the shaming. And I for one am bloody glad they are. I mean how arrogant to say its settled science and that we have the 100% correct solution after all we've been through recently. Not buying it myself. Well, we'll see I guess. I'm quite happy to switch to an EV and to try to do my best in not polluting the environment, as much as I can avoid it, that is! It seems a no-brainer really. If we are heading for climate catastrophe then living in a more sustainable way will, hopefully, avoid the worst of it. If we're not, then doing so means you end up with a nice clean unpolluted environment to live in. Either way, sounds good. And better than gambling on the alternative, for sure. I'm not sure science is ever settled, it's not really how it works, but it's fair to say the consensus is that we're heading for some very unpleasant climate consequences and that there is still, just, some time to do something about it, not helped by Sunak's recent decision! I guess if it does all come crashing down in the future it'll be a leveller. It won't matter how well off you are when people are scrabbling over the last tin of beans in the supermarket. You can't eat money. I drive a hybrid already. I'm not a denier. I just don't agree with the cult like behaviour of some of the climate extremists. We need to all calm down and come up with a sensible plan. Not this fear fear fear do as we say. Its just not how you get billions of people on board. It really isn't. |
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Post by thisisouryear on Sept 21, 2023 21:15:44 GMT
Well, we'll see I guess. I'm quite happy to switch to an EV and to try to do my best in not polluting the environment, as much as I can avoid it, that is! It seems a no-brainer really. If we are heading for climate catastrophe then living in a more sustainable way will, hopefully, avoid the worst of it. If we're not, then doing so means you end up with a nice clean unpolluted environment to live in. Either way, sounds good. And better than gambling on the alternative, for sure. I'm not sure science is ever settled, it's not really how it works, but it's fair to say the consensus is that we're heading for some very unpleasant climate consequences and that there is still, just, some time to do something about it, not helped by Sunak's recent decision! I guess if it does all come crashing down in the future it'll be a leveller. It won't matter how well off you are when people are scrabbling over the last tin of beans in the supermarket. You can't eat money. I drive a hybrid already. I'm not a denier. I just don't agree with the cult like behaviour of some of the climate extremists. We need to all calm down and come up with a sensible plan. Not this fear fear fear do as we say. Its just not how you get billions of people on board. It really isn't. I would like us to go full steam ahead and get ahead of all the other countries. Becoming a manufacturing powerhouse in green technology should be what everyone wants and would really help out the next generations. We can't afford to slow down, green technology is the future and we have to put ourselves right at the front of it. |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 21, 2023 21:22:31 GMT
I drive a hybrid already. I'm not a denier. I just don't agree with the cult like behaviour of some of the climate extremists. We need to all calm down and come up with a sensible plan. Not this fear fear fear do as we say. Its just not how you get billions of people on board. It really isn't. I would like us to go full steam ahead and get ahead of all the other countries. Becoming a manufacturing powerhouse in green technology should be what everyone wants and would really help out the next generations. We can't afford to slow down, green technology is the future and we have to put ourselves right at the front of it. But what if hydrogen becomes the thing. Or what if they refine the ICE vehicles to incredibly low emissions. And what happens when they perfect the battery tech and loads of poor sods have spuzzed 50k on a car that overnight becomes almost worthless. But this climate panic is near on forcing people to show their virtue. It got me and im a cynic. So your lets just go right now could result in billions wasted on shyte that becomes redundant. Patience. Kipling wrote a poem about this, keeping calm whilst those all around lose their minds. Summat like that anyway. I dunno chief 😕 |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Sept 22, 2023 5:07:40 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Sept 22, 2023 5:09:58 GMT
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