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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 20, 2023 22:00:32 GMT
From the study, they concluded that co2 emissions from production are 59% higher than building a standard combustion car. They may say overall they are “greener” but they haven’t said by how much and how many miles needs to be driven before the car achieves this. I’ve read material before that suggests more than 80k miles need to be driven by the car when charged with a typical uk mix of energy before it breaks even and then becomes cleaner than it’s petrol equivalent . So again, thinking about the average user over 3 years - most will not drive the mileage needed to offset the huge amount of co2 to build the car. They would be better off with a petrol vehicle They don't say that at all. They answer the question in the round. Are they better for the environment? "The evidence says they are". That may not be the case if you only keep your car for three years as you seem to be implying, but most people don't change that regularly and the car continues to exist and do more mileage under new ownership. I've read elsewhere that 80k miles and you're in credit in CO2 terms for the car. My car's on 112,000 at the moment so that'd be 32,000 miles of CO2 saved. Lol, but not the utopia we've been told though hey. Funny how that happens. The truth always outs in the end. Basically they are probably a bit better possibly. You've been fed propaganda but you'll keep denying you've been fooled a bit. Therefore makes sense that we have a sensible open and honest debate. Instead of being told the science has been settled. Or in other words shut up and believe what we say or we'll call you nasty names like climate denier 😆 |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 20, 2023 22:03:30 GMT
Last I saw Bastani he was a pundit on GB News 😆 |
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Post by essexstokey on Sept 20, 2023 23:19:07 GMT
A point on electric cars that I'm not sure many know repairs for a crash etc the car has to be charged down to o and the mechanic's where a special harness costing 10000 + because the cars are direct current meaning anyone would be electrocuted and sucked in While in hospital a mechanic told me How’s the recovery going good doing stairs and also walking with sticks keep getting told off for walking to fast tried to point out im tall now they just dont say anything lol |
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Post by essexstokey on Sept 20, 2023 23:23:57 GMT
apparently a cabinet meeting on this tomorrow as tories are in turmoil yet again another week another tory disaster get out of power and let labour at least try and fix your mess |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 20, 2023 23:59:16 GMT
apparently a cabinet meeting on this tomorrow as tories are in turmoil yet again another week another tory disaster get out of power and let labour at least try and fix your mess Tories in turmoil, now what a surprise. Useless feckers. But Labour sorting it out? I admire your optimism but I fear you're wrong. Starmer only learnt what a lass was last week and backtracks more than a native American tracker. Basically we are fucked. They are all toss pots, the lot of them. I remember the good old days when you could clearly see the difference between the 2. Nowadays they're pretty much identical ie useless. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 21, 2023 3:27:26 GMT
No wonder Ford, amongst others, think we’re a basket case of a nation!
Just 9 weeks ago ...
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Post by Foster on Sept 21, 2023 4:49:02 GMT
No wonder Ford, amongst others, think we’re a basket case of a nation! Just 9 weeks ago ... A lot can happen in 6 (and a bit) years. I wouldn't go out buying a petrol or diesel car anytime soon now. As we all know, Gove is man of his word. |
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Post by iancransonsknees on Sept 21, 2023 5:09:38 GMT
They knew the infrastructure wouldn't be there to support it when they made their 2030 committment. This roll back was inevitable and, relating to vehicles and property is probably relatively sensible.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Sept 21, 2023 5:36:47 GMT
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Sept 21, 2023 6:08:12 GMT
They don't say that at all. They answer the question in the round. Are they better for the environment? "The evidence says they are". That may not be the case if you only keep your car for three years as you seem to be implying, but most people don't change that regularly and the car continues to exist and do more mileage under new ownership. I've read elsewhere that 80k miles and you're in credit in CO2 terms for the car. My car's on 112,000 at the moment so that'd be 32,000 miles of CO2 saved. Lol, but not the utopia we've been told though hey. Funny how that happens. The truth always outs in the end. Basically they are probably a bit better possibly. You've been fed propaganda but you'll keep denying you've been fooled a bit. Therefore makes sense that we have a sensible open and honest debate. Instead of being told the science has been settled. Or in other words shut up and believe what we say or we'll call you nasty names like climate denier 😆 Not sure anyone ever said they were some kind of panacea, more that they were a better option, taking everything into account over the entire production and lifecycle of their existence. That RAC article appears to confirm that. Seems a pretty fair and balanced article by an organisation which, as far as I'm aware is not pilitically aligned and is simply trying to provide information about this aspect of car travel. Completely agree about having that open debate and that piece makes a decent contribution to it. I think it's pretty obvious that, overall, if you want to make your own contribution towards living a more sustainable life EV is the way to go. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Sept 21, 2023 6:14:08 GMT
No wonder Ford, amongst others, think we’re a basket case of a nation! Just 9 weeks ago ... It's chaos in the government and has been for years. What a mess. They come across as duplicitous amateurs without a clue what to do. The reaction from Business to this announcement is stsrk. Still, "Fuck Business" eh. Now who was it said that? |
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Post by henry on Sept 21, 2023 6:35:13 GMT
They knew the infrastructure wouldn't be there to support it when they made their 2030 committment. This roll back was inevitable and, relating to vehicles and property is probably relatively sensible. It was laughable at the time, and still is. 2035 will get pushed back aswell imo. |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Sept 21, 2023 6:36:03 GMT
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Post by henry on Sept 21, 2023 6:38:11 GMT
No wonder Ford, amongst others, think we’re a basket case of a nation! Just 9 weeks ago ... It's chaos in the government and has been for years. What a mess. They come across as duplicitous amateurs without a clue what to do. The reaction from Business to this announcement is stsrk. Still, "Fuck Business" eh. Now who was it said that? Makes a change from pandering to big business. Stop digging. |
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Post by knype on Sept 21, 2023 6:39:30 GMT
They knew the infrastructure wouldn't be there to support it when they made their 2030 committment. This roll back was inevitable and, relating to vehicles and property is probably relatively sensible. It was laughable at the time, and still is. 2035 will get pushed back aswell imo. And so it should! |
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Post by oggyoggy on Sept 21, 2023 7:09:48 GMT
apparently a cabinet meeting on this tomorrow as tories are in turmoil yet again another week another tory disaster get out of power and let labour at least try and fix your mess Tories in turmoil, now what a surprise. Useless feckers. But Labour sorting it out? I admire your optimism but I fear you're wrong. Starmer only learnt what a lass was last week and backtracks more than a native American tracker. Basically we are fucked. They are all toss pots, the lot of them. I remember the good old days when you could clearly see the difference between the 2. Nowadays they're pretty much identical ie useless. You are extremely lazy if you can’t see any differences between the two main parties. Take 10 minutes to google it and you will see it. Starmer is by no means radical, but he is different on the environment, relations with the EU, energy, strike action, education, House of Lords reform and immigrant. That’s before any manifesto. He was different on health and tax before many of his ideas (windfall tax stolen from the lib dems by labour first) were stolen by the tories. Starmer hasn’t U turned because he isn’t in power. He can’t U turn when he can’t implement any policy. Sunak announced major U turns just yesterday! Manifestos will reveal greater differences. Obviously you won’t be interested in manifestos if all you are worried about is whether or not a leader can define a woman. |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 21, 2023 7:11:13 GMT
Lol, but not the utopia we've been told though hey. Funny how that happens. The truth always outs in the end. Basically they are probably a bit better possibly. You've been fed propaganda but you'll keep denying you've been fooled a bit. Therefore makes sense that we have a sensible open and honest debate. Instead of being told the science has been settled. Or in other words shut up and believe what we say or we'll call you nasty names like climate denier 😆 Not sure anyone ever said they were some kind of panacea, more that they were a better option, taking everything into account over the entire production and lifecycle of their existence. That RAC article appears to confirm that. Seems a pretty fair and balanced article by an organisation which, as far as I'm aware is not pilitically aligned and is simply trying to provide information about this aspect of car travel. Completely agree about having that open debate and that piece makes a decent contribution to it. I think it's pretty obvious that, overall, if you want to make your own contribution towards living a more sustainable life EV is the way to go. I don't know chief. It kind of reminds me of the whole George Floyd thing where we were told to bow at the blm alter or you're a racist. Or the covid debacle where it was follow the science. And if you don't or question it the shaming begins. Remember the killing your Gran narrative. And so it is again with all this climate stuff. Agree with what we say, the science is settled blah blah. People are getting wise to it and some quite rightly are beginning to question more deeply despite the shaming. And I for one am bloody glad they are. I mean how arrogant to say its settled science and that we have the 100% correct solution after all we've been through recently. Not buying it myself. |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 21, 2023 7:12:57 GMT
Tories in turmoil, now what a surprise. Useless feckers. But Labour sorting it out? I admire your optimism but I fear you're wrong. Starmer only learnt what a lass was last week and backtracks more than a native American tracker. Basically we are fucked. They are all toss pots, the lot of them. I remember the good old days when you could clearly see the difference between the 2. Nowadays they're pretty much identical ie useless. You are extremely lazy if you can’t see any differences between the two main parties. Take 10 minutes to google it and you will see it. Starmer is by no means radical, but he is different on the environment, relations with the EU, energy, strike action, education, House of Lords reform and immigrant. That’s before any manifesto. He was different on health and tax before many of his ideas (windfall tax stolen from the lib dems by labour first) were stolen by the tories. Starmer hasn’t U turned because he isn’t in power. He can’t U turn when he can’t implement any policy. Sunak announced major U turns just yesterday! Manifestos will reveal greater differences. Obviously you won’t be interested in manifestos if all you are worried about is whether or not a leader can define a woman. I like my leaders to understand basic biology pal. Each to their own but its important to me. |
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Post by iancransonsknees on Sept 21, 2023 7:29:15 GMT
They knew the infrastructure wouldn't be there to support it when they made their 2030 committment. This roll back was inevitable and, relating to vehicles and property is probably relatively sensible. It was laughable at the time, and still is. 2035 will get pushed back aswell imo. I think possibly for vehicles if the technology improves through evolution. Possibly the transformation of commercial vehicles to hydrogen powered (given the JCB r & d and investment) might make a significant difference. Property needs to ramp up, but the whole cowboy nature of retrofit needs to be combatted at a national level and achieving standards & quality required needs to take priority over profit. Property is a national asset, not just a personal asset and needs strong governance. Sadly the politicians on all sides are mental midgets in relation to this. |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Sept 21, 2023 7:33:57 GMT
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Post by henry on Sept 21, 2023 7:40:06 GMT
It was laughable at the time, and still is. 2035 will get pushed back aswell imo. I think possibly for vehicles if the technology improves through evolution. Possibly the transformation of commercial vehicles to hydrogen powered (given the JCB r & d and investment) might make a significant difference. Property needs to ramp up, but the whole cowboy nature of retrofit needs to be combatted at a national level and achieving standards & quality required needs to take priority over profit. Property is a national asset, not just a personal asset and needs strong governance. Sadly the politicians on all sides are mental midgets in relation to this. With regards to property, one would hope the consumer units in new builds are being sized to have the capacity for future charging circuits. |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 21, 2023 7:41:48 GMT
I think possibly for vehicles if the technology improves through evolution. Possibly the transformation of commercial vehicles to hydrogen powered (given the JCB r & d and investment) might make a significant difference. Property needs to ramp up, but the whole cowboy nature of retrofit needs to be combatted at a national level and achieving standards & quality required needs to take priority over profit. Property is a national asset, not just a personal asset and needs strong governance. Sadly the politicians on all sides are mental midgets in relation to this. With regards to property, one would hope the consumer units in new builds are being sized to have the capacity for future charging circuits. Yeah there is planning law for that. Think it kicks in fully in 2025. |
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Post by aureliuspotter on Sept 21, 2023 7:53:43 GMT
They knew the infrastructure wouldn't be there to support it when they made their 2030 committment. This roll back was inevitable and, relating to vehicles and property is probably relatively sensible. It was laughable at the time, and still is. 2035 will get pushed back aswell imo. Hopefully they'll do a complete U-turn like they did with the compulsory covid jabs for NHS staff. |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 21, 2023 8:03:40 GMT
It was laughable at the time, and still is. 2035 will get pushed back aswell imo. Hopefully they'll do a complete U-turn like they did with the compulsory covid jabs for NHS staff. Yeah the compulsory jabs thing was a national disgrace. But I don't agree about a full u turn. Something has to be done, I think that's fair enough. But bankrupting already battered families up and down the land is not the way to go about it. Its all like the boy who cried wolf with some of these big issues. The play book being scare the living shit out of everyone and then implement your unreasonable policies. They need to do politics better or pretty soon they will lose most of the country. Then you are looking at social unrest. It'll happen if we carry on with comments like settled science and we have the only answer. Its just poor. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Sept 21, 2023 8:05:07 GMT
You are extremely lazy if you can’t see any differences between the two main parties. Take 10 minutes to google it and you will see it. Starmer is by no means radical, but he is different on the environment, relations with the EU, energy, strike action, education, House of Lords reform and immigrant. That’s before any manifesto. He was different on health and tax before many of his ideas (windfall tax stolen from the lib dems by labour first) were stolen by the tories. Starmer hasn’t U turned because he isn’t in power. He can’t U turn when he can’t implement any policy. Sunak announced major U turns just yesterday! Manifestos will reveal greater differences. Obviously you won’t be interested in manifestos if all you are worried about is whether or not a leader can define a woman. I like my leaders to understand basic biology pal. Each to their own but its important to me. I think they do. What nobody really understands (me included) is how to define a woman without insulting someone in society. I bet you can’t. The economy, the rule of law, public services etc. aren’t they more important than the latest culture war? If they aren’t to you, you should vote tory because they only care about distracting idiots with culture wars so they can rob the majority to pay the rich minority. Anyway, hopefully I have identified some key policy areas on which the tories and labour differ so you can stop saying “they are all the same!” |
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Post by aureliuspotter on Sept 21, 2023 8:07:29 GMT
Hopefully they'll do a complete U-turn like they did with the compulsory covid jabs for NHS staff. Yeah the compulsory jabs thing was a national disgrace. But I don't agree about a full u turn. Something has to be done, I think that's fair enough. But bankrupting already battered families up and down the land is not the way to go about it. Its all like the boy who cried wolf with some of these big issues. The play book being scare the living shit out of everyone and then implement your unreasonable policies. They need to do politics better or pretty soon they will lose most of the country. Then you are looking at social unrest. It'll happen if we carry on with comments like settled science and we have the only answer. Its just poor. I know mate I was taking the piss due to their lack of commitment and failure to follow through with anything that they say. |
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Post by aureliuspotter on Sept 21, 2023 8:09:38 GMT
You are extremely lazy if you can’t see any differences between the two main parties. Take 10 minutes to google it and you will see it. Starmer is by no means radical, but he is different on the environment, relations with the EU, energy, strike action, education, House of Lords reform and immigrant. That’s before any manifesto. He was different on health and tax before many of his ideas (windfall tax stolen from the lib dems by labour first) were stolen by the tories. Starmer hasn’t U turned because he isn’t in power. He can’t U turn when he can’t implement any policy. Sunak announced major U turns just yesterday! Manifestos will reveal greater differences. Obviously you won’t be interested in manifestos if all you are worried about is whether or not a leader can define a woman. I like my leaders to understand basic biology pal. Each to their own but its important to me. I think they can define biology but they choose not to because they are scared of upsetting the woke crowd and blurring the lines between what a man is and what a women is works in their favour. |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 21, 2023 8:14:27 GMT
I like my leaders to understand basic biology pal. Each to their own but its important to me. I think they can define biology but they choose not to because they are scared of upsetting the woke crowd and blurring the lines between what a man is and what a women is works in their favour. That's kind of my point. The way he was trying to answer that question without committing either way simply reveals his slimy not to be trusted nature. Just answer the bloody question "man" 😆 Then again I can't remember the last politician I felt was actually genuine and actually in politics to try and help everybody |
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Post by aureliuspotter on Sept 21, 2023 8:18:22 GMT
I think they can define biology but they choose not to because they are scared of upsetting the woke crowd and blurring the lines between what a man is and what a women is works in their favour. That's kind of my point. The way he was trying to answer that question without committing either way simply reveals his slimy not to be trusted nature. Just answer the bloody question "man" 😆 Then again I can't remember the last politician I felt was actually genuine and actually in politics to try and help everybody Sneaky, slimey, snivelling, disingenuous bastards the lot of them. |
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Post by knype on Sept 21, 2023 8:24:19 GMT
Who cares what Bryant has to say about anything... |
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