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Post by suck_the_mop. on Sept 20, 2023 13:19:54 GMT
Anyway I'm out of here didn't want start getting into debates/arguments etc i will just go back to reading everyone else's views, much easier.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 20, 2023 13:26:22 GMT
And the biggest joke of all this is that some of the main cheerleaders of this net zero nonsense are on the left, you know, the ones who're supposed to be on the side of the poor and the working class. Kicking the can down the road will make it even more costly when we are, ultimately, forced to confront the reality of doing nothing (or less) right now. The costs will increase in literal financial terms and in environmental and societal terms for future generations. Unless we think it's all going to just go away and it'll all be fine, which seems to be the mindset of a lot of people. One school of thought is that China makes most of our shyte. Including most of all the components needed for this green revolution. Our govt is handing out billions upon billions in green subsidies which is effectively all to the benefit of China. When you mull that round your noggin for a bit you can almost conclude we must all be bloody stupid. We are indirectly pouring billions if not trillions over time into china's back pockets. We need a better plan I reckon. And the kicker is in order for the Chinese to meet our green demands they are building dozens and dozens of coal plants. We are literally hanging ourselves. Its crazy. |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Sept 20, 2023 13:40:39 GMT
Not sure what you mean? Bills were certainly a lot less expensive. What year was that? In comparison to where we are now obviously, or perhaps not for you. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Sept 20, 2023 13:43:07 GMT
The green agenda is the correct path to take, cheaper and healthier. I'ts a win win situation. Cheaper for who? Everybody in the long run. It's a bit like smoking - better packing it in now than waiting until you get cancer... |
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Post by dutchstokie on Sept 20, 2023 13:49:32 GMT
Liz Truss has been claiming from fund for ex-PMs despite only 49 days in office linkGood girl ! |
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Post by dutchstokie on Sept 20, 2023 13:59:46 GMT
I hope you are joking there is no way in hell i would be able to charge an electric car not from my electric source anyway, i can't usually park my car in the same postcode most of the time, you can say charging points can be fitted so everyone can charge at point never be done in time plus how people park not very well in general points would be wasted. Simple fact is by 2030 i probably won't be able have a car because 1 can't afford it 2 probably be nowhere to fill up with diesel or petrol as garages will turn to electric if i keep my car now 3 as mentioned in another thread parts etc.. hope the public transport inproves by then or else I'm fooked 😁😁 yeah right. I take your point but isn't the infrastructure i.e charging points supposed to be in place by then? Government initiative? It should be, but unfortunately it simply wopnt happen Im afraid. Just think about it simply for a moment, to set up thousands and thousands and thousands of charging points right across the length and breadth of the UK is a momumental effort. To deliver the electricity nedded takes storage of the stuff on a gargantuan scale, and not forgetting the 'peaks and troughs'of the day, ( just like Half time of the FA Cup Final or the Superbowl when everyone has a brew a goes for a slash), everyone flicks the light on or flicks the kettle on....... None of this will be ready before 2040, let alone 2030........ Im not the sharpest knife in the drawer but this stuff I do actually know a bit about as we deal with trying to develop the infrastructure of this here in NL on a daily basis.....we talk about nothing else in our company. |
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Post by dutchstokie on Sept 20, 2023 14:01:39 GMT
Kicking the can down the road will make it even more costly when we are, ultimately, forced to confront the reality of doing nothing (or less) right now. The costs will increase in literal financial terms and in environmental and societal terms for future generations. Unless we think it's all going to just go away and it'll all be fine, which seems to be the mindset of a lot of people. One school of thought is that China makes most of out shyte. Including most of all the components needed for this green revolution. Our govt is handing out billions upon billions in green subsidies which is effectively all to the benefit of China. When you mull that round your noggin for a bit you can almost conclude we must all be bloody stupid. We are indirectly pouring billions if not trillions over time into china's back pockets. We need a better plan I reckon. And the kicker is in order for the Chinese to meet our green demands they are building dozens and dozens of coal plants. We are literally hanging ourselves. Its crazy. This post should win post of the year ! Bang on the money ! |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 20, 2023 14:14:07 GMT
One school of thought is that China makes most of out shyte. Including most of all the components needed for this green revolution. Our govt is handing out billions upon billions in green subsidies which is effectively all to the benefit of China. When you mull that round your noggin for a bit you can almost conclude we must all be bloody stupid. We are indirectly pouring billions if not trillions over time into china's back pockets. We need a better plan I reckon. And the kicker is in order for the Chinese to meet our green demands they are building dozens and dozens of coal plants. We are literally hanging ourselves. Its crazy. This post should win post of the year ! Bang on the money ! High praise. However I actually got this from a Chinese guy on the radio the other day. Not sure who he was and why he was saying it but it made me stop and think. I think he even used the term we in the west are useful idiots. We're literally doing the bidding for the Chinese. Seems crazy. |
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Post by fullmetaljacket on Sept 20, 2023 14:16:40 GMT
We'll get to 2035 only to kick the can even further down the line 😞
All to easy to chuck out words that sound appealing and yet never dedicate the infrastructure/resources needed for it to happen.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 20, 2023 14:26:41 GMT
We'll get to 2035 only to kick the can even further down the line 😞 All to easy to chuck out words that sound appealing and yet never dedicate the infrastructure/resources needed for it to happen. I'm no fan of this govt however I do think Sunak has a point. The cost of all these measures in the here and now is crippling. And the burden is mostly falling on people with limited funds. People are genuinely scared given we are in a huge cost of living crisis. Of course we need to get moving on it all but is hammering the already hammered even further in order to achieve it morally the right thing to do. It has to be up for scrutiny and debate at the very least. Pretty sure many millions didn't vote to be made destitute. |
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Post by Gawa on Sept 20, 2023 14:30:29 GMT
Anyway I'm out of here didn't want start getting into debates/arguments etc i will just go back to reading everyone else's views, much easier. You should post more mate. The more views and opinions the better  |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Sept 20, 2023 14:33:54 GMT
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Sept 20, 2023 14:34:18 GMT
Kicking the can down the road will make it even more costly when we are, ultimately, forced to confront the reality of doing nothing (or less) right now. The costs will increase in literal financial terms and in environmental and societal terms for future generations. Unless we think it's all going to just go away and it'll all be fine, which seems to be the mindset of a lot of people. One school of thought is that China makes most of our shyte. Including most of all the components needed for this green revolution. Our govt is handing out billions upon billions in green subsidies which is effectively all to the benefit of China. When you mull that round your noggin for a bit you can almost conclude we must all be bloody stupid. We are indirectly pouring billions if not trillions over time into china's back pockets. We need a better plan I reckon. And the kicker is in order for the Chinese to meet our green demands they are building dozens and dozens of coal plants. We are literally hanging ourselves. Its crazy. I agree about how much trade we do with China, but given the fuss about paying for green initiatives how do you persuade people to pay more for stuff that isn't China-made? Clearly, it's cheaper to buy from China otherwise business wouldn't do it. China is actually pouring billions into green sustainable energy and transport initiatives, and their renewables contribution dwarfs most other nations. Currently, however, their emissions are also sky high. It's very much a mixed picture, but to say we shouldn't do anything because China isn't is not correct. On numerous levels. |
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Post by elystokie on Sept 20, 2023 14:36:35 GMT
Somebody needs to be imprisoned and soon, they're taking the piss and have been for years. |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 20, 2023 14:40:24 GMT
One school of thought is that China makes most of our shyte. Including most of all the components needed for this green revolution. Our govt is handing out billions upon billions in green subsidies which is effectively all to the benefit of China. When you mull that round your noggin for a bit you can almost conclude we must all be bloody stupid. We are indirectly pouring billions if not trillions over time into china's back pockets. We need a better plan I reckon. And the kicker is in order for the Chinese to meet our green demands they are building dozens and dozens of coal plants. We are literally hanging ourselves. Its crazy. I agree about how much trade we do with China, but given the fuss about paying for green initiatives how do you persuade people to pay more for stuff that isn't China-made? Clearly, it's cheaper to buy from China otherwise business wouldn't do it. China is actually pouring billions into green sustainable energy and transport initiatives, and their renewables contribution dwarfs most other nations. Currently, however, their emissions are also sky high. It's very much a mixed picture, but to say we shouldn't do anything because China isn't is not correct. On numerous levels. I'm not saying do nothing. I was just highlighting what I heard some seemingly highly educated Chinese fella was saying on the radio and it made me think. China have taken control of a huge percentage of the materials required for most of the green initiatives. Western govts are falling over themselves pushing through policy upon policy that is providing endless funds to the CCP. Seems the CCP have been playing 3D chess whilst we've been playing connect 4. We need a better plan or accept China will undoubtedly become the ultimate super power on earth. That might sit well with some. It doesn't with me however. |
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Post by dutchstokie on Sept 20, 2023 14:48:16 GMT
We'll get to 2035 only to kick the can even further down the line 😞 All to easy to chuck out words that sound appealing and yet never dedicate the infrastructure/resources needed for it to happen. Depending on where you live ( UK or Europe), we did some 'fag packet' calculations last week during lunch for 'a laugh' and for this to work properly, will take around 18 TRILLION Euros for NL alone. UK is about 4-5 times bigger than NL so, anything between 50 to 60 TRILLION pounds...... Good luck with that ! When youre spunking 327 million per mile on a pointless bit of railway, you can see why there are such hurdles to overcome.........someone somewhere will make a STACK of money out of this....... OR, do what theyre doing now and just fritter it away....... |
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Post by Gawa on Sept 20, 2023 14:52:08 GMT
If you want a laugh you should read the reviews of employees who work there - www.glassdoor.co.uk/Reviews/TPP-Reviews-E830252.htmHere's a few: "The awful CEO has said a number of racist and misogynistic things that I have personally heard and would personally be willing to share with anyone should there be any sort of investigation into how this company operates." (in 21 reviews) "The management is also fond of envisaging TPP as a family." (in 14 reviews) "The bullying in front of the rest of your colleagues" (in 11 reviews) "Poor working environment and toxic culture" (in 10 reviews) And my personal favourite: All of TPP’s problems can be traced back to its CEO, Frank Hester. The man is deeply insecure and wants nothing more than a band of kowtowing drones to feed his ego. It’s apparent that Frank has few people to associate with outside of work and longs to make friends with his employees, though the feeling is rarely mutual. Several employees have spoken of late-night phone calls from him, which never have anything to do with actual work, but rather whatever happens to be on Frank’s mind. This alone would be a sizeable invasion of privacy, but throw in the fact that Frank is often intoxicated and/or looking to dig up dirt on whichever employee he is currently suspecting of dissent and you're looking at a CEO with absolutely no concept of what’s appropriate. Not only does Frank often make racist or sexist “jokes”, but he revels in his Trumpian filter and expects you to laugh alongside him. Failure to comply can be seen as grounds for dismissal. Virtually none of the longstanding employees engage in non-mandatory company social events, presumably to avoid having to socialise with Frank and risk getting on his bad side, however unintentional it may be.
TPP maintains that it has a flat hierarchy, which is half true. There are no managers, only employees and a handful of directors. More senior employees’ opinions will, perhaps naturally, be considered with more weight, but you can approach most anyone you need to at any time and they will generally listen to what you have to say. However, some of the more senior employees and directors have some sort of superiority complex and it shows. Their word is final and their reasoning on matters is usually little more than “this is the way we’ve always operated”. Such reluctance to change is frustrating at best and detrimental to the company at worst. It’s a common occurrence to see a director or senior employee openly berating another employee, which fosters an environment where disrespect is seen as par for the course. The directors themselves answer only to Frank, who himself mistreats them, thus completing the pyramid of abuse. Speaking up about any of this can be seen as a reason to sack you, which brings me to my next point.
The turnover rate is absolutely abysmal. Since September 2017, there were probably around 100 new hires across all departments. At a push, maybe 15 remain at the time of writing. On top of this, the largest team, the coders, has plummeted from around 70 to 25 in three years. The reason for this egregious loss of life is, you guessed it, Frank. He boasts how he once attended a talk and appeared to be the only attendee to agree when the speaker suggested that any employee who is not right for the company should be terminated. Sadly, it seems that Frank has mistaken “the company” for “Frank” and will ruthlessly sack anybody who is even suspected of being against him in any way. You are fully expendable, and Frank will admit as much, often bragging that he only requires 14 employees to keep the business afloat. Perhaps for every three employees that are sacked, one leaves of their own volition, but of the twenty such people I’ve spoken to, none would recommend TPP as a nice place to work.
Employees are often asked to write company reviews during work hours, including here on Glassdoor and for The Sunday Times Top 100 Small Companies to Work For award, which TPP are now banned from entering. While I can’t prove that several of these reviews are written by the same people, the similar rhetoric found time and time again would seem to suggest they are (perhaps there will be more verbose 5-star reviews dated after this review?). As for non-duplicate reviews, nobody will risk writing anything negative about the company at work for fear that a wandering director may spot it and end their employment on the spot.
One of the perks listed here often is a good work-life balance. While it’s true that less than 40 hours a week is pretty reasonable for the salary that is offered, you are expected to be on call 24/7. This applies to some teams more than others, but suffice to say it’s hard not to think about work outside of work when it could phone you at any time. Given how many bugs make it into production code, late-night conference calls are not an uncommon occurrence. Coders get reimbursement for any hours they work outside of normal working hours, but the same can not be said for other teams, such as software support specialists or clinical systems analysts. The only reason I can think of for why this is the case is that most of the directors (Frank included) used to be coders themselves, so coders get special treatment.
Many compare TPP to a cult, and for good reason. You are expected to pledge your unwavering allegiance to the company and to be a conduit through which the directors can enact their will. In your first week you will be taught more about the company’s idiosyncratic way of working than how to actually be a {insert job role here}. Not only that, but you are told to call others out when they make any sort of slip-up, creating a kind of autocratical informant culture. Certain types of mistake, such as writing bugs or failing to lock up, are rectified by publicly outing yourself to the rest of the company via email. Unsurprisingly, this does nothing to stop such mistakes happening again, but rather just makes people feel bad and causes unnecessary stress. Directors demand employees inform them immediately if they enter into a relationship with another employee. Their reason for making you do so is so they can make sure you don’t work on the same project to avoid distractions, but they expect this level of admission from any and all employees, regardless of how likely it is that their teams will ever work together. Employees have spoken about being interrogated regarding who they are friends with, because fraternising with ex-employees is a big no-no. I imagine the real reason for such an unsettling interest in employees’ personal lives is to have as much ammunition as possible against them once they unwittingly get on the directors’ bad side. Constant surveillance also bleeds into TPP’s way of working: you are encouraged to update your colleagues with what you are doing on a regular basis, as well as how long you think that task will take. While this may seem sensible on paper, in practice it means you’ll need a towel ready to wipe away all the moisture from your teammates breathing down your neck every ten minutes. Due to the very nature of estimation, you’ll essentially be setting your self several miniature deadlines a day and meeting very few of them. Therefore, you’ll go through many work days stressed and finish them feeling like you’ve failed.
The atmosphere at TPP is very much that of a sheltered community. Many ex-employees are branded as “toxic” and are slandered in company meetings, with directors encouraging employees to bad-mouth people who were once their colleagues and whom they may still be in contact with. You are flat-out not allowed to socialise with those who used to work at TPP and being suspected of as much is enough to get you fired. If that doesn’t sound like a cult I don’t know what does. I suspect the primary reason that TPP predominantly hires graduates with no prior experience is because established industry professionals would instantly spot all the weird stuff that happens on a daily basis and leave soon after. This lack of context is further amplified by the fact that only a few computers in the office have access to the internet; apparently TPP employees know best when it comes to any questions you may have and searching the internet for answers is a last resort.
Much of TPP’s reluctance to change stems from their deluded belief that they are the best company in the world. Frank recently claimed that the company was worth over £1 billion, which appears to be a gross overestimate if one takes a look at their public accounts. Company meetings are often filled with tirades about other organisations and how much worse than TPP they are. This same air of superiority extends to the way customers are treated, often being looked down upon as nuisances for whom only the bare minimum should be done. More evidence of TPP’s we-know-best attitude has surfaced during the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic. TPP has refused to follow government guidelines, requiring every single employee to come into the office every day, despite being in a sector that is perhaps best suited to working remotely. TPP has never invested in any infrastructure to support working from home and still has no interest in doing so, regardless of potential health risks to its employees. Frank loves to gloat about how much money the company makes, but is clearly not willing to use any of it to improve the lives of their employees past the odd event that looks good on social media. When questioned about their handling of COVID-19 by the Yorkshire Evening Post, TPP gave a limp excuse that staff have to work in the office, as the servers need to be extremely quick. Not only is this just untrue, as I’m sure would be evident to anyone who knows what a server is, but even if it was, surely it wouldn’t require every employee from every team to be in the office? To make matters worse, employees were not allowed to take their lunch break in the office during the pandemic, thus causing unnecessary foot traffic in the local area, potentially endangering its residents.
Many of the above points compound on one another to create an environment of unspoken fear. Any day could be your last, as somebody is sacked up to once a week. To drive the point home, here is a list of outlandish reasons people have been sacked from TPP, in no particular order:
- Complaining about how something is handled or suggesting that something could be improved
- Not divulging aspects of their personal life
- Being friends with ex-employees
- Looking at Frank wrong
- Being uncomfortable around Frank
- Showing any sign of weakness during a stressful event
- Being suspected of any of the above without any actual evidence
For the sake of transparency, I don’t know TPP’s reasons for sacking everyone that they have, but the vast majority that I have spoken to fall under the above categories. Others have been sacked for the reason that they didn’t own up to mistakes or were defensive when questioned about something. While this may be TPP’s most valid reason for dismissal, it usually happens with those who have been employed for less than a year. The oppressive atmosphere does nothing to help such people feel comfortable and firing somebody after one mistake rather than taking action to help them improve is cold and cutthroat.
The rest of the cons will cover the more technical aspects of working at TPP as a coder.
You will be taught the basics of writing code and several good coding practices, but that's about it. Even the things they do teach you are drip-fed to you as and when you need to know them, so it’s really luck of the draw as to what you’ll pick up in your time at TPP. You will never be given time to just sit and read up on a concept. Apparently teaching you on such a need-to-know basis saves time, but ironically it likely ends up harming more than it helps in the long run, as you’ll constantly be badgering other employees to explain things to you. The codebase itself is ancient and it shows, with many arcane methods that nobody fully understands. This problem will never go away as time is never set aside to give the code the cleaning/refactoring it so desperately needs.
Developers are referred to as coders, because you will learn nothing of the actual software development process. Industry standard practices such as automated testing, modern language features, build pipelines, containers, or modern version control are nowhere to be seen. In fact, the very mention of them is enough to get you sacked, as that would amount to suggesting that Frank isn't the utmost authority when it comes to software development. I had to spend about a month studying various aspects of software development to make experience mean anything elsewhere. Ultimately, TPP teaches you how to work at TPP, which unsurprisingly is not a skill that other companies are looking for. I’d recommend staying for around 6 months to get the basics of how to write code professionally and then using that experience to find employment somewhere better. The job security being what it is, staying any longer means risking being unemployed with a severely stunted skill set for the time that you’ve been working. |
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Post by henry on Sept 20, 2023 15:32:29 GMT
Doesn't matter when it's done still won't be able to afford it... and when china Russia etc conforms then they can start picking on little old us the working class who are just trying to survive. You are just delaying the inevitable and when it does kick in, don't you realise you WILL be even worse off because you've delayed it (tighter time frame, inflation etc), because it is going to happen. Doesn't matter if its 2030, 2035, 2040 - at the moment it's not doable. It's the most sensible thing this fuckers done. Starmer will have to go along with it aswell or he faces losing a lot of voters. |
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Post by elystokie on Sept 20, 2023 15:38:25 GMT
You are just delaying the inevitable and when it does kick in, don't you realise you WILL be even worse off because you've delayed it (tighter time frame, inflation etc), because it is going to happen. Doesn't matter if its 2030, 2035, 2040 - at the moment it's not doable. It's the most sensible thing this fuckers done. Starmer will have to go along with it aswell or he faces losing a lot of voters. "Starmer will have to go along with it aswell or he faces losing a lot of voters." You seem very sure, has there been a substantial poll done? |
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Post by henry on Sept 20, 2023 15:42:31 GMT
Doesn't matter if its 2030, 2035, 2040 - at the moment it's not doable. It's the most sensible thing this fuckers done. Starmer will have to go along with it aswell or he faces losing a lot of voters. "Starmer will have to go along with it aswell or he faces losing a lot of voters." You seem very sure, has there been a substantial poll done? Who gives a fuck about polls. Common sense. |
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Post by elystokie on Sept 20, 2023 15:47:19 GMT
"Starmer will have to go along with it aswell or he faces losing a lot of voters." You seem very sure, has there been a substantial poll done? Who gives a fuck about polls. Common sense. Ah right. |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 20, 2023 15:54:25 GMT
Who gives a fuck about polls. Common sense. Ah right. The poll will be done at the election. That's what Sunak is doing. He's bringing this front and centre and saying there you go your choice. He could be into a winner to be fair. Who knows. |
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Post by elystokie on Sept 20, 2023 15:55:49 GMT
The poll will be done at the election. That's what Sunak is doing. He's bringing this front and centre and saying there you go your choice. He could be into a winner to be fair. Who knows. Evidently Henry does 🙂 |
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Sept 20, 2023 15:56:55 GMT
I remain (happy) to be convinced that electric cars are the answer, but those saying we should stick with petrol are the same ones complaining because prices are going up again because the Saudis and Russia are restricting output.
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Post by henry on Sept 20, 2023 16:02:06 GMT
The poll will be done at the election. That's what Sunak is doing. He's bringing this front and centre and saying there you go your choice. He could be into a winner to be fair. Who knows. Evidently Henry does 🙂 You can mock, but if Starmer decided to stick with the 2030 target and still managed to win the GE in 2025 that would give him 5 years - 5 fucking years to to phase out petrol cars and combi boilers  |
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Post by thisisouryear on Sept 20, 2023 16:03:25 GMT
We all know how this works, the rest of the world gets ahead of us and the people complain we don't make anything anymore. What we don't do now we will pay ten fold for later.
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Post by oggyoggy on Sept 20, 2023 16:06:00 GMT
Kicking the can down the road will make it even more costly when we are, ultimately, forced to confront the reality of doing nothing (or less) right now. The costs will increase in literal financial terms and in environmental and societal terms for future generations. Unless we think it's all going to just go away and it'll all be fine, which seems to be the mindset of a lot of people. One school of thought is that China makes most of our shyte. Including most of all the components needed for this green revolution. Our govt is handing out billions upon billions in green subsidies which is effectively all to the benefit of China. When you mull that round your noggin for a bit you can almost conclude we must all be bloody stupid. We are indirectly pouring billions if not trillions over time into china's back pockets. We need a better plan I reckon. And the kicker is in order for the Chinese to meet our green demands they are building dozens and dozens of coal plants. We are literally hanging ourselves. Its crazy. Perhaps we could start making things. Radical, I know. But makes total sense. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Sept 20, 2023 16:08:25 GMT
"Starmer will have to go along with it aswell or he faces losing a lot of voters." You seem very sure, has there been a substantial poll done? Who gives a fuck about polls. Common sense. Common sense says Sunak is making a big mistake. Unless your common sense is different to my common sense of course. |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 20, 2023 16:09:59 GMT
One school of thought is that China makes most of our shyte. Including most of all the components needed for this green revolution. Our govt is handing out billions upon billions in green subsidies which is effectively all to the benefit of China. When you mull that round your noggin for a bit you can almost conclude we must all be bloody stupid. We are indirectly pouring billions if not trillions over time into china's back pockets. We need a better plan I reckon. And the kicker is in order for the Chinese to meet our green demands they are building dozens and dozens of coal plants. We are literally hanging ourselves. Its crazy. Perhaps we could start making things. Radical, I know. But makes total sense. Exactly. But we keep upping corp tax etc and making it impossible for British industry. This isn't a Conservative govt. That disappeared quite some time ago. |
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Post by elystokie on Sept 20, 2023 16:14:58 GMT
You can mock, but if Starmer decided to stick with the 2030 target and still managed to win the GE in 2025 that would give him 5 years - 5 fucking years to to phase out petrol cars and combi boilers I'm not mocking the opinion in the slightest. |
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