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Post by Foster on Sept 19, 2023 20:28:31 GMT
I just want the opportunity to debate rationally. To hear all sides of the debate. To hear what's going on all around and discuss it like adults. I couldn't care less what was said previously as I don't hold grudges. You shouldn't have got them banned Blue. We can talk about such stuff in this manner because we are not like them, thankfully. However, as was demonstrated previously many times over by those very posters, rational debate would've been the last thing you'd have got. That'll be the reason they had so many warnings and temporary bans before being banned for good. How stupid do you have to be to get to that stage!? Unlike yourself, I do care what was said previously, especially if it was racist abuse like that above. You might be quite happy to have those kind of people on the board, fos, but I'm glad they're not. I guess the Mods think the same way too, after all, it states that very thing in the board rules quite plainly. Aside from the fact that I wouldn't have banned them personally. The thing is RWB, is that regardless of whatever argument you put forth, there is no proof that any of those posters you got banned were previous posters. On top of which neither actually did anything wrong. It would be interesting to hear admins reasons for the ban as none of the rules you quoted were broken. Admin used to give feedback and warnings, but now it seems a bit wild west. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 19, 2023 20:36:45 GMT
We can talk about such stuff in this manner because we are not like them, thankfully. However, as was demonstrated previously many times over by those very posters, rational debate would've been the last thing you'd have got. That'll be the reason they had so many warnings and temporary bans before being banned for good. How stupid do you have to be to get to that stage!? Unlike yourself, I do care what was said previously, especially if it was racist abuse like that above. You might be quite happy to have those kind of people on the board, fos, but I'm glad they're not. I guess the Mods think the same way too, after all, it states that very thing in the board rules quite plainly. Aside from the fact that I wouldn't have banned them personally. The thing is RWB, is that regardless of whatever argument you put forth, there is no proof that any of those posters you got banned were previous posters. On top of which neither actually did anything wrong. It would be interesting to hear admins reasons for the ban as none of the rules you quoted were broken. Admin used to give feedback and warnings, but now it seems a bit wild west. I'm not sure why we need (or indeed should expect) admin to provide an explanation for why they've banned somebody. It's a privately owned message board, they are perfectly entitled to ban whoever they like and I don't think it's a decision they would take lightly. On the other hand, I'm certain they haven't got time to trawl through every post on here ensuring that the board rules are being adhered to. It's not like they get paid for what must be an utterly thankless task. |
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Post by Foster on Sept 19, 2023 20:43:05 GMT
Aside from the fact that I wouldn't have banned them personally. The thing is RWB, is that regardless of whatever argument you put forth, there is no proof that any of those posters you got banned were previous posters. On top of which neither actually did anything wrong. It would be interesting to hear admins reasons for the ban as none of the rules you quoted were broken. Admin used to give feedback and warnings, but now it seems a bit wild west. I'm not sure why we need (or indeed should expect) admin to provide an explanation for why they've banned somebody. It's a privately owned message board, they are perfectly entitled to ban whoever they like and I don't think it's a decision they would take lightly. On the other hand, I'm certain they haven't got time to trawl through every post on here ensuring that the board rules are being adhered to. It's not like they get paid for what must be an utterly thankless task. I'd do it Paul. I've even requested it. No response. I understand the responsibility and the fact that it's a thankless task. Doesn't bother me. All I care about is equality. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 19, 2023 20:49:37 GMT
I'm not sure why we need (or indeed should expect) admin to provide an explanation for why they've banned somebody. It's a privately owned message board, they are perfectly entitled to ban whoever they like and I don't think it's a decision they would take lightly. On the other hand, I'm certain they haven't got time to trawl through every post on here ensuring that the board rules are being adhered to. It's not like they get paid for what must be an utterly thankless task. I'd do it Paul. I've even requested it. No response. I understand the responsibility and the fact that it's a thankless task. Doesn't bother me. All I care about is equality. Don't you trust admin to make fair decisions? |
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Post by Foster on Sept 19, 2023 20:52:24 GMT
I'd do it Paul. I've even requested it. No response. I understand the responsibility and the fact that it's a thankless task. Doesn't bother me. All I care about is equality. Don't you trust admin to make fair decisions? I trust that I would make a great admin. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 19, 2023 20:58:09 GMT
Don't you trust admin to make fair decisions? I trust that I would make a great admin. I'm sure you do! 😁 To tell you the truth, sometimes I think that they are actually too lenient, whilst at the same time realising, that it's none of my business what they ultimately decide. |
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Post by aureliuspotter on Sept 19, 2023 21:00:15 GMT
Sensible words, but you're probably forgetting how bad those individuals made the place previously, despite numerous warnings and temporary bans. Perhaps they'd be entirely different this time. Maybe you'd convince them the error of their racist ways. I doubt it, but you never know. What I suspect is that the board would probably have descended into the kind of tiresome and abusive place it was before they were kicked out. I think we can all do without a repeat of that scenario. Good riddance to them. I don't want to see people using terms like "Paki c*nt" on this forum, thanks. I just want the opportunity to debate rationally. To hear all sides of the debate. To hear what's going on all around and discuss it like adults. I couldn't care less what was said previously as I don't hold grudges. You shouldn't have got them banned Blue. How does anyone know if a new poster is a reincarnation just because they have the same views as a previous poster. Unfortunately plenty of people share racist views, the new posters could of been anyone new, old or otherwise. I've always said that the best way to deal with extremists of any kind is to let them speak, let them expose themselves so everyone can see them for what they are. Banning them just means they'll be back again under yet another alias. What was said that was racist anyway? Calling another poster a pa*I c*nt does deserve a ban to be fair as it crosses the line to personal abuse which can't be disguised as "banter", which poster said that? |
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Post by Foster on Sept 19, 2023 21:05:30 GMT
I trust that I would make a great admin. I'm sure you do! 😁 To tell you the truth, sometimes I think that they are actually too lenient, whilst at the same time realising, that it's none of my business what they ultimately decide. To be honest mate I have requested to be an admin. I'm on here enough and I think I can gauge what's acceptable or not. I certainly don't take bans or so lightly. Of course I'd perma ban badger, gawa, and a few others, but other than that I'd be pretty chilled. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 19, 2023 21:10:43 GMT
I'm sure you do! 😁 To tell you the truth, sometimes I think that they are actually too lenient, whilst at the same time realising, that it's none of my business what they ultimately decide. To be honest mate I have requested to be an admin. I'm on here enough and I think I can gauge what's acceptable or not. I certainly don't take bans or so lightly. Of course I'd perma ban badger, gawa, and a few others, but other than that I'd be pretty chilled. So if admin had previously perma banned a poster and then it became apparent that that person had sneaked back on, using a different handle, you would then, as an admin yourself, honour that original decision by immediately banning the 'new' arrival? |
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Post by Foster on Sept 19, 2023 21:17:35 GMT
To be honest mate I have requested to be an admin. I'm on here enough and I think I can gauge what's acceptable or not. I certainly don't take bans or so lightly. Of course I'd perma ban badger, gawa, and a few others, but other than that I'd be pretty chilled. So if admin had previously perma banned a poster and then it became apparent that that person had sneaked back on, using a different handle, you would then, as an admin yourself, honour that original decision by immediately banning the 'new' arrival? Ooh, that's a good one Paul. I see what you did there. Sneaky. But it's not sure that the poster in question (indeed 2 posters that were banned), are the 1 poster. In any case, if it was a permanent ban related to a proven return poster then yes. Rules are rules, and I'm all about....rules. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Sept 19, 2023 21:18:38 GMT
To be honest mate I have requested to be an admin. I'm on here enough and I think I can gauge what's acceptable or not. I certainly don't take bans or so lightly. Of course I'd perma ban badger, gawa, and a few others, but other than that I'd be pretty chilled. So if admin had previously perma banned a poster and then it became apparent that that person had sneaked back on, using a different handle, you would then, as an admin yourself, honour that original decision by immediately banning the 'new' arrival? No. He "couldn't care less" what they did previously. Already said so. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Sept 19, 2023 21:19:34 GMT
So if admin had previously perma banned a poster and then it became apparent that that person had sneaked back on, using a different handle, you would then, as an admin yourself, honour that original decision by immediately banning the 'new' arrival? Ooh, that's a good one Paul. I see what you did there. Sneaky. But it's not sure that the poster in question (indeed 2 posters that were banned), are the 1 poster. In any case, if it was a permanent ban related to a proven return poster then yes. Rules are rules, and I'm all about....rules. Or then again, maybe yes 🤣 |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 19, 2023 21:26:04 GMT
So if admin had previously perma banned a poster and then it became apparent that that person had sneaked back on, using a different handle, you would then, as an admin yourself, honour that original decision by immediately banning the 'new' arrival? Ooh, that's a good one Paul. I see what you did there. Sneaky. But it's not sure that the poster in question (indeed 2 posters that were banned), are the 1 poster. In any case, if it was a permanent ban related to a proven return poster then yes. Rules are rules, and I'm all about....rules. Well if admin think that there is good reason to believe that that is indeed the case, then I'm certainly not going to challenge their decision. |
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Post by Foster on Sept 19, 2023 21:27:46 GMT
Ooh, that's a good one Paul. I see what you did there. Sneaky. But it's not sure that the poster in question (indeed 2 posters that were banned), are the 1 poster. In any case, if it was a permanent ban related to a proven return poster then yes. Rules are rules, and I'm all about....rules. Well if admin think that there is good reason to believe that that is indeed the case, then I'm certainly not going to challenge their decision. Do you think I'd make a good admin Paul? |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 19, 2023 21:40:30 GMT
Well if admin think that there is good reason to believe that that is indeed the case, then I'm certainly not going to challenge their decision. Do you think I'd make a good admin Paul? Blimey I have no idea, I've obviously no experience of what it's like to do it. I think I'd have to change the way I interact with people on the board myself because I'd hate to reprimand or even ban somebody who I get along with. And I'm not sure I could do (or indeed want) to compromise myself in that way. |
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Post by Gawa on Sept 19, 2023 22:11:34 GMT
I just want the opportunity to debate rationally. To hear all sides of the debate. To hear what's going on all around and discuss it like adults. I couldn't care less what was said previously as I don't hold grudges. You shouldn't have got them banned Blue. How does anyone know if a new poster is a reincarnation just because they have the same views as a previous poster. Unfortunately plenty of people share racist views, the new posters could of been anyone new, old or otherwise. I've always said that the best way to deal with extremists of any kind is to let them speak, let them expose themselves so everyone can see them for what they are. Banning them just means they'll be back again under yet another alias. What was said that was racist anyway? Calling another poster a pa*I c*nt does deserve a ban to be fair as it crosses the line to personal abuse which can't be disguised as "banter", which poster said that? It was a poster called hartshillbadger |
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Post by aureliuspotter on Sept 19, 2023 22:14:55 GMT
How does anyone know if a new poster is a reincarnation just because they have the same views as a previous poster. Unfortunately plenty of people share racist views, the new posters could of been anyone new, old or otherwise. I've always said that the best way to deal with extremists of any kind is to let them speak, let them expose themselves so everyone can see them for what they are. Banning them just means they'll be back again under yet another alias. What was said that was racist anyway? Calling another poster a pa*I c*nt does deserve a ban to be fair as it crosses the line to personal abuse which can't be disguised as "banter", which poster said that? It was a poster called hartshillbadger I thought you'd say that he doesn't come across that way. 😉 |
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Post by Gawa on Sept 19, 2023 22:17:22 GMT
It was a poster called hartshillbadger I thought you'd say that he doesn't come across that way. 😉 Nah I was only joking mate lol. It was a poster called huddysleftfoot |
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Post by aureliuspotter on Sept 19, 2023 22:22:21 GMT
I thought you'd say that he doesn't come across that way. 😉 Nah I was only joking mate lol. It was a poster called huddysleftfoot I meant to say does come across that way not doesn’t.....as a joke like. Is Huddy crappy? |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Sept 20, 2023 7:36:45 GMT
Oops...
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Post by henry on Sept 20, 2023 8:17:15 GMT
Delaying the ban on petrol vehicles and hopefully combi boilers will be the first sensible thing Sunak has done.
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Post by essexstokey on Sept 20, 2023 8:17:37 GMT
Liz Truss has been claiming from fund for ex-PMs despite only 49 days in office link |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Sept 20, 2023 8:22:12 GMT
Delaying the ban on petrol vehicles and hopefully combi boilers will be the first sensible thing Sunak has done. Talk me through your reasoning on this one mate? |
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Post by phileetin on Sept 20, 2023 8:27:36 GMT
infrastructure isn't going to be in place for one .
germans and french still want to get rid of petrol and diesel cars for another.
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Post by henry on Sept 20, 2023 8:33:12 GMT
Delaying the ban on petrol vehicles and hopefully combi boilers will be the first sensible thing Sunak has done. Talk me through your reasoning on this one mate? We are (aswell as most countries) decades away from having the infrastructure for full vehicle electrification. A removable power source is needed in reality. And heat pumps are total junk. |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Sept 20, 2023 8:35:27 GMT
Talk me through your reasoning on this one mate? We are (aswell as most countries) decades away from having the infrastructure for full vehicle electrification. A removable power source is needed in reality. And heat pumps are total junk. Ford don't seem best pleased, having planned for 2030? |
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Post by aureliuspotter on Sept 20, 2023 8:41:04 GMT
We are (aswell as most countries) decades away from having the infrastructure for full vehicle electrification. A removable power source is needed in reality. And heat pumps are total junk. Ford don't seem best pleased, having planned for 2030? Oh well never mind, hopefully it won't eat into their profits too much. It would be terrible if a multi billion dollar company lost a few billion quid. |
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Post by Gawa on Sept 20, 2023 8:50:45 GMT
They should just ban all cars and invest in electric roller blades for everyone instead.
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Post by adri2008 on Sept 20, 2023 8:56:35 GMT
Whatever you think of climate change, when it comes to the crunch (i.e peoples money), the watering down of green targets will be a vote winner whilst electric cars and heat pumps cost another £10k more than their less eco friendly counterparts.
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Post by henry on Sept 20, 2023 9:07:18 GMT
We are (aswell as most countries) decades away from having the infrastructure for full vehicle electrification. A removable power source is needed in reality. And heat pumps are total junk. Ford don't seem best pleased, having planned for 2030? Ford don’t need to run an extension cable out of their living room window and down the street to their car. |
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