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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 2, 2020 8:41:55 GMT
Time to back Farage, the political class nor Labour would abolish the House of Lords Hahaha. Yeah let's all send the fuhrer 20 quid and see what he can do Good idea, He's already the most effective UK politcian of the 21c....ha ha....do you really think Starmer, or Boris or any Labour leader would abolish the H of L?. Just conformist, like their followers. Farage would.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Aug 2, 2020 8:42:21 GMT
Time to back Farage, the political class nor Labour would abolish the House of Lords Hahaha. Yeah let's all send the fuhrer 20 quid and see what he can do Wasn’t there some talk of Nigel asking to be made British ambassador to Washington on the basis he would be safely out of the Tories way? Corruption is wrong when other people do it but fine when our Nigel does it?!👛
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Post by yeswilko on Aug 2, 2020 8:48:41 GMT
Hahaha. Yeah let's all send the fuhrer 20 quid and see what he can do Good idea, He's already the most effective UK politcian of the 21c....ha ha....do you really think Starmer, or Boris or any Labour leader would abolish the H of L?. Just conformist, like their followers. Farage would. Its not exactly difficult to lay the blame of everything at the door of immigrants is it?. But yeah you're right it's very effective. Did you believe him when he said the brexit party would stand for every seat?
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Aug 2, 2020 8:51:07 GMT
Hahaha. Yeah let's all send the fuhrer 20 quid and see what he can do Good idea, He's already the most effective UK politcian of the 21c....ha ha....do you really think Starmer, or Boris or any Labour leader would abolish the H of L?. Just conformist, like their followers. Farage would. You mean like his promise to contest every seat at the last general election and then withdraw most of his candidates to help the Tories? ‘Effective’ ? I think the word you are looking for is fraudulent?😜
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Post by yeswilko on Aug 2, 2020 8:52:00 GMT
Hahaha. Yeah let's all send the fuhrer 20 quid and see what he can do Wasn’t there some talk of Nigel asking to be made British ambassador to Washington on the basis he would be safely out of the Tories way? Corruption is wrong when other people do it but fine when our Nigel does it?!👛 Its so weird that people think Farage is outside of the "elite" bracket. Quite scary
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Post by wagsastokie on Aug 2, 2020 9:08:48 GMT
Good idea, He's already the most effective UK politcian of the 21c....ha ha....do you really think Starmer, or Boris or any Labour leader would abolish the H of L?. Just conformist, like their followers. Farage would. You mean like his promise to contest every seat at the last general election and then withdraw most of his candidates to help the Tories? ‘Effective’ ? I think the word you are looking for is fraudulent?😜 No I would call it political brilliance Totally out flanked Starmer and his euro toadies I presume you would also condem the greens liberals and viet taff for there little election stunt
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 2, 2020 9:12:41 GMT
Good idea, He's already the most effective UK politcian of the 21c....ha ha....do you really think Starmer, or Boris or any Labour leader would abolish the H of L?. Just conformist, like their followers. Farage would. You mean like his promise to contest every seat at the last general election and then withdraw most of his candidates to help the Tories? ‘Effective’ ? I think the word you are looking for is fraudulent?😜 No , I don't mean that....very politically astute though , it worked out didn't it? Like it or not , if you want the House of Lords abolished ,really abolished , your views are closer to Farage than any other party/ party leader. Mind you, the usual approach from the intolerant, dictatorial,unable to listen, Left....get the man.....a politically naive approach......it hasn't dawned on them yet....it doesn't work.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 2, 2020 9:16:36 GMT
Wasn’t there some talk of Nigel asking to be made British ambassador to Washington on the basis he would be safely out of the Tories way? Corruption is wrong when other people do it but fine when our Nigel does it?!👛 Its so weird that people think Farage is outside of the "elite" bracket. Quite scary Get the man eh, Lose the argument. If you believe in the abolition of the H of L your view is closer to Farage than the so called ( conformist) Left. It is scary how far the left supporters are detached from ordinary people and their traditional base, and can't even see it when it is staring them in the face. Still the politicians make a good living talking about issues and their supporters feel good about themselves always having the moral high ground.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Aug 2, 2020 9:19:39 GMT
You mean like his promise to contest every seat at the last general election and then withdraw most of his candidates to help the Tories? ‘Effective’ ? I think the word you are looking for is fraudulent?😜 No I would call it political brilliance Totally out flanked Starmer and his euro toadies I presume you would also condem the greens liberals and viet taff for there little election stunt Did anyone ask for their twenty quid back? Has anyone seen published accounts yet? Has the Brexit party officially changed its name yet? Will there be a AGM of the Brexit party? May I suggest a different name? The Beer Drinkers party?😂
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 2, 2020 9:32:47 GMT
No I would call it political brilliance Totally out flanked Starmer and his euro toadies I presume you would also condem the greens liberals and viet taff for there little election stunt Did anyone ask for their twenty quid back? Has anyone seen published accounts yet? Has the Brexit party officially changed its name yet? Will there be a AGM of the Brexit party? May I suggest a different name? The Beer Drinkers party?😂 I wonder if Farage has been more successful in getting change than Corbyn? Effectively he got rid of Cameron / May. Lose the argument Attack the people, not the policies....very sad,it is very difficult to " think" without the constraints of party politics...oh well , as long as nothing changes, just moan about Peerages.
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 2, 2020 9:45:36 GMT
830 peers. Fucking ridiculous waste of taxpayers money. Time to back Farage, the political class nor Labour would abolish the House of Lords Can’t help feeling that Farage’s views on the House of Lords are, basically, sour grapes. Then again, I think Farage is a twat. So I may be biased!
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Aug 2, 2020 10:09:19 GMT
Did anyone ask for their twenty quid back? Has anyone seen published accounts yet? Has the Brexit party officially changed its name yet? Will there be a AGM of the Brexit party? May I suggest a different name? The Beer Drinkers party?😂 I wonder if Farage has been more successful in getting change than Corbun? Effectively he got rid of Cameron / May. Lose the argument Attack the people, not the policies....very sad,it is very difficult to " think" without the constraints of party politics...oh well , as long as nothing changes, just moan about Peerages. I agree he got rid of Cameron and May? But it’s a bit rich to expect, for a one man party whether UKIP or Brexit party based on a cult of personality, not to find his personality under a spotlight? This is true of America where Trump has turned the Republicans into a one man party based on a cult of personality? Incidentally, wasn’t UKIP found guilty of misappropriating funds? I can see now why you never got a job with the Serious Fraud Office because by your Nigel metric there wouldn’t have been any convictions? Haha!🤪
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 2, 2020 10:11:40 GMT
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Post by yeswilko on Aug 2, 2020 10:13:14 GMT
Did anyone ask for their twenty quid back? Has anyone seen published accounts yet? Has the Brexit party officially changed its name yet? Will there be a AGM of the Brexit party? May I suggest a different name? The Beer Drinkers party?😂 I wonder if Farage has been more successful in getting change than Corbun? Effectively he got rid of Cameron / May. Lose the argument Attack the people, not the policies....very sad,it is very difficult to " think" without the constraints of party politics...oh well , as long as nothing changes, just moan about Peerages. He is effective, of course he is. Getting people riled up about immigration isn't genius
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 2, 2020 10:15:33 GMT
I wonder if Farage has been more successful in getting change than Corbun? Effectively he got rid of Cameron / May. Lose the argument Attack the people, not the policies....very sad,it is very difficult to " think" without the constraints of party politics...oh well , as long as nothing changes, just moan about Peerages. He is effective, of course he is. Getting people riled up about immigration isn't genius You need to keep up, wilko, it was never about immigration, remember, all about sovereignty
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 2, 2020 10:28:31 GMT
Did anyone ask for their twenty quid back? Has anyone seen published accounts yet? Has the Brexit party officially changed its name yet? Will there be a AGM of the Brexit party? May I suggest a different name? The Beer Drinkers party?😂 I wonder if Farage has been more successful in getting change than Corbun? Effectively he got rid of Cameron / May. Lose the argument Attack the people, not the policies....very sad,it is very difficult to " think" without the constraints of party politics...oh well , as long as nothing changes, just moan about Peerages. Farage is directly responsible for the election of the most corrupt and inept Government in living memory and a Prime Minister without a shred of moral fibre. A fatal and ideological commitment to a hard Brexit over literally everything else. He is still full of bile, evidenced by his recent refugee baiting videos and has done irreparable damage to this country and helped to make it a more hate filled, less tolerant and generally more unpleasant place to live.
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 2, 2020 11:07:13 GMT
I wonder if Farage has been more successful in getting change than Corbun? Effectively he got rid of Cameron / May. Lose the argument Attack the people, not the policies....very sad,it is very difficult to " think" without the constraints of party politics...oh well , as long as nothing changes, just moan about Peerages. Farage is directly responsible for the election of the most corrupt and inept Government in living memory and a Prime Minister without a shred of moral fibre. A fatal and ideological commitment to a hard Brexit over literally everything else. He is still full of bile, evidenced by his recent refugee baiting videos and has done irreparable damage to this country and helped to make it a more hate filled, less tolerant and generally more unpleasant place to live. I think credit for Johnson’s victory can also be given to Messrs Corbyn and McDonnell as well as Keir “People’s Vote” Starmer. Possibly most credit as they were responsible for the collapse of the Red Wall.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 2, 2020 11:10:42 GMT
Farage is directly responsible for the election of the most corrupt and inept Government in living memory and a Prime Minister without a shred of moral fibre. A fatal and ideological commitment to a hard Brexit over literally everything else. He is still full of bile, evidenced by his recent refugee baiting videos and has done irreparable damage to this country and helped to make it a more hate filled, less tolerant and generally more unpleasant place to live. I think credit for Johnson’s victory can also be given to Messrs Corbyn and McDonnell as well as Keir “People’s Vote” Starmer. Possibly most credit as they were responsible for the collapse of the Red Wall. If Farage had any principles and fielded his candidates in all seats, Johnson and this horrific Government wouldn't have got anywhere near a majority. Labour's Brexit policy was indeed toxic in the North and of course they share the blame but in the end Farage couldn't stick to his principle.* *deliberate lack of an s at the end of this word!
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Post by wagsastokie on Aug 2, 2020 11:34:17 GMT
No I would call it political brilliance Totally out flanked Starmer and his euro toadies I presume you would also condem the greens liberals and viet taff for there little election stunt Did anyone ask for their twenty quid back? Has anyone seen published accounts yet? Has the Brexit party officially changed its name yet? Will there be a AGM of the Brexit party? May I suggest a different name? The Beer Drinkers party?😂 Do I sense a touch of bitterness Though not a Brexit party supporter I believe that the majority of there supporters were more than happy to see a electoral pact which allowed a Brexit supporting party to demolish a less than credible opposition
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 2, 2020 11:37:39 GMT
I think credit for Johnson’s victory can also be given to Messrs Corbyn and McDonnell as well as Keir “People’s Vote” Starmer. Possibly most credit as they were responsible for the collapse of the Red Wall. If Farage had any principles and fielded his candidates in all seats, Johnson and this horrific Government wouldn't have got anywhere near a majority. Labour's Brexit policy was indeed toxic in the North and of course they share the blame but in the end Farage couldn't stick to his principle.* *deliberate lack of an s at the end of this word! Farage only became a factor because of Labour’s failings. They could have taken him out of the game by accepting Brexit. Instead they played games indulging in some Boris baiting which lead to the Brexit Election and a Johnson landslide.
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Post by yeswilko on Aug 2, 2020 11:41:08 GMT
Imagine being the German speaking child of Farage and hearing him whip up hatred of people speaking foreign languages on trains. Its fucking bizarre. He is pure scum
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 2, 2020 11:44:22 GMT
If Farage had any principles and fielded his candidates in all seats, Johnson and this horrific Government wouldn't have got anywhere near a majority. Labour's Brexit policy was indeed toxic in the North and of course they share the blame but in the end Farage couldn't stick to his principle.* *deliberate lack of an s at the end of this word! Farage only became a factor because of Labour’s failings. They could have taken him out of the game by accepting Brexit. Instead they played games indulging in some Boris baiting which lead to the Brexit Election and a Johnson landslide. There are 40 MPs with three figure majorities. If Farage had stood, they never would have got in. The result, whoever is to blame, is a split country, the union falling apart, the right emboldened and on the march and a country full of hate of division. Add into that a full on recession around the corner and a catastrophic no deal Brexit that the likes of Odey, the Victorian Ghost and Mark Foi Gras can strum themselves off to at the end of the year and this will not be a nice place to reside very soon.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 2, 2020 12:29:52 GMT
Farage only became a factor because of Labour’s failings. They could have taken him out of the game by accepting Brexit. Instead they played games indulging in some Boris baiting which lead to the Brexit Election and a Johnson landslide. There are 40 MPs with three figure majorities. If Farage had stood, they never would have got in. The result, whoever is to blame, is a split country, the union falling apart, the right emboldened and on the march and a country full of hate of division. Add into that a full on recession around the corner and a catastrophic no deal Brexit that the likes of Odey, the Victorian Ghost and Mark Foi Gras can strum themselves off to at the end of the year and this will not be a nice place to reside very soon. I think the last bit has already happened but yes it’s likely to get much worse.
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Post by wagsastokie on Aug 2, 2020 12:38:04 GMT
I think credit for Johnson’s victory can also be given to Messrs Corbyn and McDonnell as well as Keir “People’s Vote” Starmer. Possibly most credit as they were responsible for the collapse of the Red Wall. If Farage had any principles and fielded his candidates in all seats, Johnson and this horrific Government wouldn't have got anywhere near a majority. Labour's Brexit policy was indeed toxic in the North and of course they share the blame but in the end Farage couldn't stick to his principle.* *deliberate lack of an s at the end of this word! Farage's principle was to deliver the democratic vote to leave the EU he has delivered this Maybe if the opposition had listened to the instincts of its leader And not the Smarmy lawyer Farage's pact might of had less effect
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Post by mrcoke on Aug 2, 2020 12:50:07 GMT
Hahaha. Yeah let's all send the fuhrer 20 quid and see what he can do Wasn’t there some talk of Nigel asking to be made British ambassador to Washington on the basis he would be safely out of the Tories way? Corruption is wrong when other people do it but fine when our Nigel does it?!👛 I don't think Farage asked, it was his pal Trump suggesting at the time the British Ambassador was criticising Trump. www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/nov/22/nigel-farage-uk-ambassador-us-donald-trumpLike or loathe Farage he has his finger on the pulse of political opinion of the largest sector of the British population. He is the best hope we have to ensure Boris does not sell out to the EU. The Labour opposition is impotent at the moment. I am not a fan of the House of Lords and would be interested in any sensible proposal to change it. A second chamber has a role to play in acting as a check against an extremist government passing laws over night.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 2, 2020 13:00:59 GMT
Time to back Farage, the political class nor Labour would abolish the House of Lords Can’t help feeling that Farage’s views on the House of Lords are, basically, sour grapes. Then again, I think Farage is a twat. So I may be biased! I don't think so Partick on either score. Abolition of the House of Lords was in the 2015 UKIP manifesto....or at least played a part on the campaign. Irrespective of your view of Farage, those who seem to ssy that they are in favour of Abolition as a policy are in agreement with him. Its easy to call anyone a twat , but not very useful.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 2, 2020 13:09:28 GMT
I wonder if Farage has been more successful in getting change than Corbun? Effectively he got rid of Cameron / May. Lose the argument Attack the people, not the policies....very sad,it is very difficult to " think" without the constraints of party politics...oh well , as long as nothing changes, just moan about Peerages. Farage is directly responsible for the election of the most corrupt and inept Government in living memory and a Prime Minister without a shred of moral fibre. A fatal and ideological commitment to a hard Brexit over literally everything else. He is still full of bile, evidenced by his recent refugee baiting videos and has done irreparable damage to this country and helped to make it a more hate filled, less tolerant and generally more unpleasant place to live. He is even more influential than I thought. Still remains to be seen where Boris leads us. Seems to me that it is quite valid to talk about illegal immigration.....I think it will prove to be an issue that won't go away, will be a thorn onside of the Tories, something that the electorate are concerned about and its a pity the Left don't take a lead in addressing it.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 2, 2020 13:33:16 GMT
If Farage had any principles and fielded his candidates in all seats, Johnson and this horrific Government wouldn't have got anywhere near a majority. Labour's Brexit policy was indeed toxic in the North and of course they share the blame but in the end Farage couldn't stick to his principle.* *deliberate lack of an s at the end of this word! Farage only became a factor because of Labour’s failings. They could have taken him out of the game by accepting Brexit. Instead they played games indulging in some Boris baiting which lead to the Brexit Election and a Johnson landslide. Not just that, no Farage, no referendum
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 2, 2020 15:05:53 GMT
Can’t help feeling that Farage’s views on the House of Lords are, basically, sour grapes. Then again, I think Farage is a twat. So I may be biased! I don't think so Partick on either score. Abolition of the House of Lords was in the 2015 UKIP manifesto....or at least played a part on the campaign. Irrespective of your view of Farage, those who seem to ssy that they are in favour of Abolition as a policy are in agreement with him. Its easy to call anyone a twat , but not very useful. I agree - I have a visceral dislike of the man. Not unrelated to that appalling infamous Breaking Point poster he stood in front off. That, imo, was shameful. And thoroughly meriting my description of him as a twat. As to UKIP’s 2015 manifesto, that was in response to him not getting what he thought was UKIP’s fair share of peers prior to that date. So a distinct whiff of sour grapes back in 2015.
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 2, 2020 15:10:06 GMT
Farage only became a factor because of Labour’s failings. They could have taken him out of the game by accepting Brexit. Instead they played games indulging in some Boris baiting which lead to the Brexit Election and a Johnson landslide. Not just that, no Farage, no referendum Agree. As mentioned I can’t stand the man. But it would be churlish to deny the colossal influence he has had in both getting the referendum in the first place and then in making sure the vote was acted on when Parliament was doing its best to stop it happening. That said. If Labour has conducted itself differently, a very different Brexit (and Government) may have happened.
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