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Post by followyoudown on May 14, 2020 11:57:03 GMT
I could but decided it wasnt worth it, its called a contingency plan, transition period ends december entirely feasible as part of the fta they could come to an agreement that means no checks if they want to its a question of what that is traded off with. Now the NHS being sold to Trump that is and was just a barefaced lie, like the there is no anti semitism lie, the nhs is going to collapse lie, telling you completely ignored that. COntingency my arse. It's called being a lying bastard. So how much is Trump paying for the near to collapse NHS ? No until and if those checks ever go live he has not lied, if they do you might be able to argue he has but its also quite reasonable to say having no checks is entirely possible as part of a future trade agreement but it takes two not too tango.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2020 12:03:12 GMT
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 14, 2020 13:19:52 GMT
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 14, 2020 13:22:28 GMT
You can understand how someone might re-tweet something in haste, however it makes you wonder what sewers they fish in on line and the mentality of some of their followers for the falsified rantings of a delusional and dangerous Islamophobe to easily fall in so many of their laps!
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 14, 2020 18:20:15 GMT
And the award for the biggest load of hypocritcal bullshit and lack of self awareness for 2020 is already in!
Downing Street said: “These tweets have rightly been deleted. The MPs involved have been reminded of their responsibility to check the validity of information before they post on social media"
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Post by 828492 on May 14, 2020 18:26:51 GMT
And the award for the biggest load of hypocritcal bullshit and lack of self awareness for 2020 is already in! Downing Street said: “These tweets have rightly been deleted. The MPs involved have been reminded of their responsibility to check the validity of information before they post on social media" Has Dorries been sacked? Disgraceful if she has not.
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 14, 2020 22:08:06 GMT
And the award for the biggest load of hypocritcal bullshit and lack of self awareness for 2020 is already in! Downing Street said: “These tweets have rightly been deleted. The MPs involved have been reminded of their responsibility to check the validity of information before they post on social media" Has Dorries been sacked? Disgraceful if she has not. It's almost incomprehensible as to what it would take to be sacked or forced to resign these days.
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Post by thisisouryear on May 14, 2020 23:13:13 GMT
Has Dorries been sacked? Disgraceful if she has not. It's almost incomprehensible as to what it would take to be sacked or forced to resign these days. She might turn out to be a useful idiot. If she is that stupid to post something without checking it out properly then Starmer might find it easy to pin something else on her at a later date.
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Post by followyoudown on May 15, 2020 6:47:20 GMT
James O'Brien pretty much the only serious journalist to believe the carl beech allegations yeah ok.
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Post by followyoudown on May 15, 2020 6:50:25 GMT
Has Dorries been sacked? Disgraceful if she has not. It's almost incomprehensible as to what it would take to be sacked or forced to resign these days. Have Labour sacked momentum for the false and edited take it on the chin video they actually produced. Someone retweeted the starmer video onto my timeline it took one watch to realise it had been clipped some dopey cunts will believe anything.
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Post by bathstoke on May 15, 2020 7:23:14 GMT
It's almost incomprehensible as to what it would take to be sacked or forced to resign these days. Someone retweeted the starmer video onto my timeline it took one watch to realise it had been clipped some dopey cunts will believe anything. Unfortunately that dopey cnut happens to be a minister for health. She was probs the dopey cnut that believed the emai from Turkey, saying they had a joblot of surgical gowns for sale...
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Post by followyoudown on May 15, 2020 7:51:21 GMT
Someone retweeted the starmer video onto my timeline it took one watch to realise it had been clipped some dopey cunts will believe anything. Unfortunately that dopey cnut happens to be a minister for health. She was probs the dopey cnut that believed the emai from Turkey, saying they had a joblot of surgical gowns for sale... She might have been but even she wouldn't have believed some of those on Labours list
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Post by bathstoke on May 16, 2020 10:02:29 GMT
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Post by thisisouryear on May 16, 2020 10:45:12 GMT
Unfortunately that dopey cnut happens to be a minister for health. She was probs the dopey cnut that believed the emai from Turkey, saying they had a joblot of surgical gowns for sale... She might have been but even she wouldn't have believed some of those on Labours list Am I missing something? All I see is a Labour MP trying to help the government get more PPE in what is a desperate situation to try to help save lives. Surely the government has a vast team on the job to checkout all options in a crisis even if some are dead ends. Matt Hancock himself says they are exhausting all avenues, there is no harm checking out companies to see if they can deliver and help tackle this issue.
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Post by followyoudown on May 16, 2020 19:48:22 GMT
She might have been but even she wouldn't have believed some of those on Labours list Am I missing something? All I see is a Labour MP trying to help the government get more PPE in what is a desperate situation to try to help save lives. Surely the government has a vast team on the job to checkout all options in a crisis even if some are dead ends. Matt Hancock himself says they are exhausting all avenues, there is no harm checking out companies to see if they can deliver and help tackle this issue. Yes you are this was presented as a list of suppliers who COULD provide ppe not MIGHT be able too and the government had supposedly ignored when it seems even a basic check showed a number of them to be chancers.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 17, 2020 8:31:56 GMT
Am I missing something? All I see is a Labour MP trying to help the government get more PPE in what is a desperate situation to try to help save lives. Surely the government has a vast team on the job to checkout all options in a crisis even if some are dead ends. Matt Hancock himself says they are exhausting all avenues, there is no harm checking out companies to see if they can deliver and help tackle this issue. Yes you are this was presented as a list of suppliers who COULD provide ppe not MIGHT be able too and the government had supposedly ignored when it seems even a basic check showed a number of them to be chancers. Obviously Air Jenrick didn't bother carrying out even the basic checks on the useless Turkish gowns then?
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Post by thevoid on May 17, 2020 12:11:26 GMT
Hilarious pulling apart of the BJ government handling of the coronavirus crisis on Charlie Brooker's Anti-viral wipe the other day. Always worth a watch anyway, but now even more so. Meanwhile, I'll just leave this here, since this thread appears to be the place for the Tories' greatest apologists to practise their tribalism: www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/may/16/thatcherite-thinktanks-back-increase-public-spending-in-lockdownNow, many, if not all, of the usual rightwing suspects on here were gammon-esque in their apoplexy at the possibility of increasing debt, raising taxes and borrowing more to get out of the much smaller recession and financial hole caused by the financial crisis a decade or so ago, so I'm looking forward to seeing them squirm themselves into a position of backing just such an approach from their beloved Tories now... Why do all of your postings have to include digs at other members who happen to have a different opinion or voting history to yourself? Could you not have a stab at making your point without this? You never know, you might make some valid points people would be more willing to take onboard if you lost the condescending approach. I do like the ironic use of the word 'gammon' from you lot though. Some of the most angry and ruddy-cheeked white folk on this board and beyond seem to align very much to the left 😂 EDIT based on the article title, The Grauniad's proofreaders are still on strike I see 😎
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Post by bathstoke on May 17, 2020 12:45:09 GMT
Hilarious pulling apart of the BJ government handling of the coronavirus crisis on Charlie Brooker's Anti-viral wipe the other day. Always worth a watch anyway, but now even more so. Meanwhile, I'll just leave this here, since this thread appears to be the place for the Tories' greatest apologists to practise their tribalism: www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/may/16/thatcherite-thinktanks-back-increase-public-spending-in-lockdownNow, many, if not all, of the usual rightwing suspects on here were gammon-esque in their apoplexy at the possibility of increasing debt, raising taxes and borrowing more to get out of the much smaller recession and financial hole caused by the financial crisis a decade or so ago, so I'm looking forward to seeing them squirm themselves into a position of backing just such an approach from their beloved Tories now... It’s blatant rightwing ideological bullshit. Pure selfishness. Vile people who lie to everyone, including themselves, which is the worst of all lies...
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 18, 2020 18:22:00 GMT
Hilarious pulling apart of the BJ government handling of the coronavirus crisis on Charlie Brooker's Anti-viral wipe the other day. Always worth a watch anyway, but now even more so. Meanwhile, I'll just leave this here, since this thread appears to be the place for the Tories' greatest apologists to practise their tribalism: www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/may/16/thatcherite-thinktanks-back-increase-public-spending-in-lockdownNow, many, if not all, of the usual rightwing suspects on here were gammon-esque in their apoplexy at the possibility of increasing debt, raising taxes and borrowing more to get out of the much smaller recession and financial hole caused by the financial crisis a decade or so ago, so I'm looking forward to seeing them squirm themselves into a position of backing just such an approach from their beloved Tories now... Why do all of your postings have to include digs at other members who happen to have a different opinion or voting history to yourself? Could you not have a stab at making your point without this? You never know, you might make some valid points people would be more willing to take onboard if you lost the condescending approach. I do like the ironic use of the word 'gammon' from you lot though. Some of the most angry and ruddy-cheeked white folk on this board and beyond seem to align very much to the left 😂 EDIT based on the article title, The Grauniad's proofreaders are still on strike I see 😎 The 'digs', if you wish to call them that, are just highlighting the inconsistency and hypocrisy of their opinions, which are really just excuses for their political tribalism. It's quite funny to watch them shift the goalposts and pivot away. So, you won't see any rightwingers on here complaining about additional borrowing to rescue a tanking economy for example, nor the prospect of increasing debt, abandoning the deficit reduction targets, higher taxes to pay for it all. That's because it's the Tories in power now, simple as that and they won't want to reduce their support or question in any way things that would normally cause them significant stress, especially if this was a Labour administration! It's not so much a dig at posters, as the hypocrisy of their almost Orwellian ability to doublethink so effectively. But there are some consistent suspects, it's true. In reality, most of the apoplexy and blood-vessel busting on here comes from those fulminating about muslims, terrorists, Liberals, transpeople, Remainers, the EU, immigrants - get the picture? Or are we into "it's just a joke, snowflake, lighten up" territory again now? Edit: just read Bath's post. It's not even ideological, you can't go from not wanting Keynesian stimuli in a recession to wanting Keynesian stimuli in a recession! It's just tribalism. It's no different to those folk on here who overlooked Tony Pulis's gamesmanship when he was our manager, but once he left and his teams started beating us, his gamesmanship was beyond the pale!
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Post by bathstoke on May 19, 2020 6:15:41 GMT
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Post by followyoudown on May 20, 2020 15:04:17 GMT
I could but decided it wasnt worth it, its called a contingency plan, transition period ends december entirely feasible as part of the fta they could come to an agreement that means no checks if they want to its a question of what that is traded off with. Now the NHS being sold to Trump that is and was just a barefaced lie, like the there is no anti semitism lie, the nhs is going to collapse lie, telling you completely ignored that. COntingency my arse. It's called being a lying bastard. Hey momo I think you just made a contingency of yourself
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 20, 2020 16:07:47 GMT
COntingency my arse. It's called being a lying bastard. Hey momo I think you just made a contingency of yourself You think forcing a no deal, tanking the economy and blaming Corona virus is something to crow about? This isn't negotiation its economic terrorism. They still can't throw forms in the bin. He's a liar.
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Post by followyoudown on May 20, 2020 20:00:26 GMT
Hey momo I think you just made a contingency of yourself You think forcing a no deal, tanking the economy and blaming Corona virus is something to crow about? This isn't negotiation its economic terrorism. They still can't throw forms in the bin. He's a liar. Yes they can the EU can not make them fill in forms to move goods between different parts of the uk. As for tanking the economy you clearly have no idea what is coming already over the next few months all over the world.
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 20, 2020 21:16:48 GMT
You think forcing a no deal, tanking the economy and blaming Corona virus is something to crow about? This isn't negotiation its economic terrorism. They still can't throw forms in the bin. He's a liar. Yes they can the EU can not make them fill in forms to move goods between different parts of the uk. As for tanking the economy you clearly have no idea what is coming already over the next few months all over the world. It's all designed for no deal. You know it, I know it everyone knows it. The right wing loons took over their party a long time ago. As for the consequences, they don't give a fuck. Odey and Mogg will do alright though, of that I'm sure.
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Post by bathstoke on May 24, 2020 6:15:01 GMT
With his multi trips to Co Durham during lockdown, Demonic Cummings must be a reincarnation of Alister Crowley & his Black Bible mantra, “Do anything you want to do for it shalt be the whole of the law.”
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Post by mrcoke on May 24, 2020 8:54:38 GMT
( I am no longer going to post anything remotely political on the Coronavirus thread.)
This government is doing its level best to become extremely unpopular, but I have viewed politics for >50 years and actually got involved as a member of the Liberal party in the 1970s, before I saw how duplicitous they were and left. I have then not actively supported any party but voted for who I agreed with on the most important issues of the day which has been UKIP and Brexit Party in recent years.
What I have observed over the years is that the Tories get into power after Labour have messed up the economy and been thrown out, to begin by making themselves very unpopular by economic constraints on spending during the early part of their period of rule. This has usually been exemplified by a land slide win in a by-election by an opposition party (usually Labour, but sometimes Lib/LibDem if Labour are still in disarray). But towards the end of their first parliament the Tory government relax the purse strings, hand out a few tax cuts and boost the economy, so everyone starts to feel better and the Tories then win the next election. The only exception to this pattern was Ted Heath's government in the early 70s. Tony Blair worked the same scenario, being quite economically responsible during his early years of power then boosting spending when there was an election to be won.
Labour on leaving power usually lurched to the left and make themselves politically un-electable for many years till they eventually see sense and appoint a moderate MOR leader.
Today the same pattern is unfolding. The possible exception to the pattern is that Starmer nailed his colours to the EU remain flag-post and that might yet come to haunt him when the Tory press get to work on him in a few years time before the next election is due. By then the Coronavirus will be a distant memory.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 24, 2020 17:27:06 GMT
Excellent article in the Sunday Times today, exposing the dithering and original policy of herd immunity (subsequently dropped in favour of a delayed lockdown) at the heart of the government, which has resulted in thousands of unnecessary Covid-19 deaths.
It's a long read but well worth it - quite excoriating in its analysis of the ineptitude of the response.
If I could post it here, I would but it's behind a paywall, perhaps someone has a subscription and could oblige?
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2020 10:13:47 GMT
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Post by bathstoke on May 26, 2020 8:13:45 GMT
Just look at all the right wing apologists applauding the Emperors suit of clothes. Take stock of yourselves...
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Post by essexstokey on May 27, 2020 6:51:23 GMT
This government are really corrupt
not only are they giving contract to there mates in this corona situation like domomic cumumings sister without any bidding process but today it has emerged that a planning application in London for new houses that was turned down by local planning and also advisers was overturned by ministers as the applicant was a substantial donor to the tory party (just on bbc breakfast)
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