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Post by partickpotter on Apr 29, 2020 10:29:10 GMT
What are the odds 5 experts and 5 Labour activists, one of whom appears to be a bit of a racist twat. Very poor not to highlight such strong political affiliations allows claims of bias to discredig much of the report and means people will pay little attention to its findings, if PPE shortages are so widespread you'd have thought it easy to find non partisan voices. And that is not to say there is not problems with ppe and other things. All Labour activitists, plus the BBC panorama editor Rachel Jupp, her sisten in Law is Labour MP Helen Hayes, the shite is about as balanced as a seesaw with a blue whale on one end and a prawn the other, and some people lap it up as if it's the truth It’s effectively a publicly funded party political broadcast. The BBC is supposed to find balance in its programmes. This clearly failed to do that. Not by accident but by design. Whoever is running Panorama these days needs a reminder about his or her obligations.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2020 10:31:22 GMT
All Labour activitists, plus the BBC panorama editor Rachel Jupp, her sisten in Law is Labour MP Helen Hayes, the shite is about as balanced as a seesaw with a blue whale on one end and a prawn the other, and some people lap it up as if it's the truth It’s effectively a publicly funded party political broadcast. The BBC is supposed to find balance in its programmes. This clearly failed to do that. Not by accident but by design. Whoever is running Panorama these days needs a reminder about his or her obligations. 100% agree. I'm assuming you said the same after the Panorama Labour antisemitism stitch up programme? Amazingly followyoudown seemed to hang on their every word after that one, funny old world eh?
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Post by partickpotter on Apr 29, 2020 10:41:01 GMT
It’s effectively a publicly funded party political broadcast. The BBC is supposed to find balance in its programmes. This clearly failed to do that. Not by accident but by design. Whoever is running Panorama these days needs a reminder about his or her obligations. 100% agree. I'm assuming you said the same after the Panorama Labour antisemitism stitch up programme? Amazingly followyoudown seemed to hang on their every word after that one, funny old world eh? I can’t remember what I said back then, but you may recall I have never agreed that Labour have an anti-semitism issue or at least the scale of anti-semitism they are portrayed as having. What they have is a deep seated sense of injustice for the treatment of Palestinians by the Israeli state - which is entirely justified. Unfortunately for them, certain people in the party have combined that with a hatred of capitalism in which Israel is a lackey of the evil United States which confuses their message as does a while load of very poorly articulated statements (Burgon for example) along with a series of high profile misplaced PR stunts (which is where Corbyn left himself exposed). So, they’ve created a right muddle. On the other hand, I have no doubt that Corby’s opponents inside Labour have sought to use this as a stick to beat Corbyn with.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2020 10:44:50 GMT
100% agree. I'm assuming you said the same after the Panorama Labour antisemitism stitch up programme? Amazingly followyoudown seemed to hang on their every word after that one, funny old world eh? I can’t remember what I said back then, but you may recall I have never agreed that Labour have an anti-semitism issue or at least the scale of anti-semitism they are portrayed as having. What they have is a deep seated sense of injustice for the treatment of Palestinians by the Israeli state - which is entirely justified. Unfortunately for them, certain people in the party have combined that with a hatred of capitalism in which Israel is a lackey of the evil United States which confuses their message as does a while load of very poorly articulated statements (Burgon for example) along with a series of high profile misplaced PR stunts (which is where Corbyn left himself exposed). So, they’ve created a right muddle. On the other hand, I have no doubt that Corby’s opponents inside Labour have sought to use this as a stick to beat Corbyn with. For me it goes beyond Panorama, the credibility of the BBC as an institution is on its knees and I say that as someone who would pay his license fee just for Test Match Special.....
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Post by partickpotter on Apr 29, 2020 10:55:37 GMT
I can’t remember what I said back then, but you may recall I have never agreed that Labour have an anti-semitism issue or at least the scale of anti-semitism they are portrayed as having. What they have is a deep seated sense of injustice for the treatment of Palestinians by the Israeli state - which is entirely justified. Unfortunately for them, certain people in the party have combined that with a hatred of capitalism in which Israel is a lackey of the evil United States which confuses their message as does a while load of very poorly articulated statements (Burgon for example) along with a series of high profile misplaced PR stunts (which is where Corbyn left himself exposed). So, they’ve created a right muddle. On the other hand, I have no doubt that Corby’s opponents inside Labour have sought to use this as a stick to beat Corbyn with. For me it goes beyond Panorama, the credibility of the BBC as an institution is on its knees and I say that as someone who would pay his license fee just for Test Match Special..... The only content I consume from the BBC these days is from the radio; TMS (obviously), the Moral Maze, More or Less and quiz stuff like Round Britain Quiz and the wonderful (hopefully to be continued) Just a Minute. My beef with that episode of Panorama (and the anti-semitism one you describe) is not that criticism is being made but the unbalanced and prejudiced nature of the criticism. I want to know where that criticism (or indeed support) comes from. I should qualify my beef by saying I haven’t watched either programme so my comments are based on what other folk have said. Enough beef - nearly. I’m off to my local butchers to get some for a beef stroganoff for dinner tonight.
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Post by followyoudown on Apr 29, 2020 11:22:38 GMT
It’s effectively a publicly funded party political broadcast. The BBC is supposed to find balance in its programmes. This clearly failed to do that. Not by accident but by design. Whoever is running Panorama these days needs a reminder about his or her obligations. 100% agree. I'm assuming you said the same after the Panorama Labour antisemitism stitch up programme? Amazingly followyoudown seemed to hang on their every word after that one, funny old world eh? Well it's a take I guess that people who have worked for and do work for Labour might be biased against them but here's the thing they made it pretty clear where they worked and what they did and also allowed a Labour rebuttal, funnily enough the Labour complaint to offcom got quietly dropped but will still be the subject of libel action by the whistleblowers once the EHRC report comes back labelling Labour institutionally racist, even Dawn Butler is quoted as expecting that.
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Post by followyoudown on Apr 29, 2020 11:48:48 GMT
What are the odds 5 experts and 5 Labour activists, one of whom appears to be a bit of a racist twat. Very poor not to highlight such strong political affiliations allows claims of bias to discredig much of the report and means people will pay little attention to its findings, if PPE shortages are so widespread you'd have thought it easy to find non partisan voices. And that is not to say there is not problems with ppe and other things. oh wow oh wow this is disgusting from the tory party instead of addressing the issues and owning up to there mistakes there fake news and propergander machine go's into overdrive to defend the indefensible lets not forget who owns these two sites that you have quoted oh yes tory grandees. this should not be party political we should be learning and holding the incompetence of those in charge to account. It would be helpful if you could read and understand the stories and what people have written before posting your usual well written gibberish. One of the five was a former labour party candidate, the other four were active political campaigners I think that should have been mentioned, doesn't invalidate what they said but it would certainly have been interesting to watch your reaction if any of the people involved had been revealed to be tories. And the fact that Ashton appears to be one of those sorts completely invalidates anything he says for me.
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Post by followyoudown on Apr 29, 2020 11:57:21 GMT
Apparently one of these doctors was in a trade union ffs. Well fuck me, what a bastard. Typical Trump playbook, no comment or dismissal of the issues raised. This Government has caused the death of medical professionals due to their complete negligence, ideological attachment to austerity and their downgrading of the pandemic, a pure act of evil self preservation. They are scum. Downgrading of the pandemic what are you wibbling on about now ? It was not classified as a HCID purely so it could be treated at all hospitals if it was kept as a HCID it could only be treated at the 4 designated HCID centres in the UK and you would then be moaning your bags off about that. Scum stay classy there.
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Post by partickpotter on Apr 29, 2020 12:03:30 GMT
Apparently one of these doctors was in a trade union ffs. Well fuck me, what a bastard. Typical Trump playbook, no comment or dismissal of the issues raised. This Government has caused the death of medical professionals due to their complete negligence, ideological attachment to austerity and their downgrading of the pandemic, a pure act of evil self preservation. They are scum. Downgrading of the pandemic what are you wibbling on about now ? It was not classified as a HCID purely so it could be treated at all hospitals if it was kept as a HCID it could only be treated at the 4 designated HCID centres in the UK and you would then be moaning your bags off about that. Scum stay classy there. Also it was a decision by the four public health bodies in the UK. Also, that friendly voice of the right, the Independent, endorsed the decision. Still, we know these days Momo gets his political lead from Piers Morgan. This explains an awful lot.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 29, 2020 12:04:21 GMT
Apparently one of these doctors was in a trade union ffs. Well fuck me, what a bastard. Typical Trump playbook, no comment or dismissal of the issues raised. This Government has caused the death of medical professionals due to their complete negligence, ideological attachment to austerity and their downgrading of the pandemic, a pure act of evil self preservation. They are scum. Downgrading of the pandemic what are you wibbling on about now ? It was not classified as a HCID purely so it could be treated at all hospitals if it was kept as a HCID it could only be treated at the 4 designated HCID centres in the UK and you would then be moaning your bags off about that. Scum stay classy there. Nonsense a simple change could have been made to treat this HCID in normal hospitals. This was changed to accompany the simultaneous downgrade in the level of PPE required to treat it.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 29, 2020 12:05:24 GMT
Downgrading of the pandemic what are you wibbling on about now ? It was not classified as a HCID purely so it could be treated at all hospitals if it was kept as a HCID it could only be treated at the 4 designated HCID centres in the UK and you would then be moaning your bags off about that. Scum stay classy there. Also it was a decision by the four public health bodies in the UK. Also, that friendly voice of the right, the Independent, endorsed the decision. Still, we know these days Momo gets his political lead from Piers Morgan. This explains an awful lot. It was actually passed as an AOB in a meeting with a minor committee and came along with a downgrading in the level of PPE required to treat it.
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Post by essexstokey on Apr 29, 2020 12:19:10 GMT
oh wow oh wow this is disgusting from the tory party instead of addressing the issues and owning up to there mistakes there fake news and propergander machine go's into overdrive to defend the indefensible lets not forget who owns these two sites that you have quoted oh yes tory grandees. this should not be party political we should be learning and holding the incompetence of those in charge to account. It would be helpful if you could read and understand the stories and what people have written before posting your usual well written gibberish. One of the five was a former labour party candidate, the other four were active political campaigners I think that should have been mentioned, doesn't invalidate what they said but it would certainly have been interesting to watch your reaction if any of the people involved had been revealed to be tories. And the fact that Ashton appears to be one of those sorts completely invalidates anything he says for me. here we go again the ugly side of the tory party always looking for excuses. its not our fault were totally incompetent and have put lives at risk
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Post by followyoudown on Apr 29, 2020 12:19:20 GMT
Downgrading of the pandemic what are you wibbling on about now ? It was not classified as a HCID purely so it could be treated at all hospitals if it was kept as a HCID it could only be treated at the 4 designated HCID centres in the UK and you would then be moaning your bags off about that. Scum stay classy there. Nonsense a simple change could have been made to treat this HCID in normal hospitals. This was changed to accompany the simultaneous downgrade in the level of PPE required to treat it. No it couldn't and the change is in line with similar diseases like the flu that have relatively low mortality rates but kill large numbers of people because of the number infected. That you believe it was done to save a few quid on the type of masks / gloves when they are spending trillions propping up the economy. As for Alistair Campbell just another one trying to use this crisis as a proxy for brexit nevermind his own shameful past.
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Post by followyoudown on Apr 29, 2020 12:21:55 GMT
It would be helpful if you could read and understand the stories and what people have written before posting your usual well written gibberish. One of the five was a former labour party candidate, the other four were active political campaigners I think that should have been mentioned, doesn't invalidate what they said but it would certainly have been interesting to watch your reaction if any of the people involved had been revealed to be tories. And the fact that Ashton appears to be one of those sorts completely invalidates anything he says for me. here we go again the ugly side of the tory party always looking for excuses. its not our fault were totally incompetent and have put lives at risk I am not a member of the tory party dumbo, go and count signs or whatever it was that lead you to confidently predict a Labour win in the last election.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 29, 2020 12:23:26 GMT
Nonsense a simple change could have been made to treat this HCID in normal hospitals. This was changed to accompany the simultaneous downgrade in the level of PPE required to treat it. No it couldn't and the change is in line with similar diseases like the flu that have relatively low mortality rates but kill large numbers of people because of the number infected. That you believe it was done to save a few quid on the type of masks / gloves when they are spending trillions propping up the economy. As for Alistair Campbell just another one trying to use this crisis as a proxy for brexit nevermind his own shameful past. What a coincidence eh? "A Health and Safety Executive evaluation of PPE published in 2019 had already recommended that all healthcare workers should wear a gown, FFP3 respirator mask and visor when dealing with HCIDs. Those recommendations were in line with existing UK guidance." "But on 13 March this year, the government downgraded its guidance on PPE and told NHS staff they were safe to wear less protective aprons and basic surgical masks in all but the most high risk circumstances. Panorama understands that on the same day, the government took steps to remove Covid-19 from the list of HCIDs."
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Post by followyoudown on Apr 29, 2020 12:23:40 GMT
Also it was a decision by the four public health bodies in the UK. Also, that friendly voice of the right, the Independent, endorsed the decision. Still, we know these days Momo gets his political lead from Piers Morgan. This explains an awful lot. It was actually passed as an AOB in a meeting with a minor committee and came along with a downgrading in the level of PPE required to treat it. Yeah and the SNP and Labour in wales would just shrug their shoulders about it if they believed anything wrong and just accept it wouldn't they.......
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Post by followyoudown on Apr 29, 2020 12:30:51 GMT
No it couldn't and the change is in line with similar diseases like the flu that have relatively low mortality rates but kill large numbers of people because of the number infected. That you believe it was done to save a few quid on the type of masks / gloves when they are spending trillions propping up the economy. As for Alistair Campbell just another one trying to use this crisis as a proxy for brexit nevermind his own shameful past. What a coincidence eh? "A Health and Safety Executive evaluation of PPE published in 2019 had already recommended that all healthcare workers should wear a gown, FFP3 respirator mask and visor when dealing with HCIDs. Those recommendations were in line with existing UK guidance." "But on 13 March this year, the government downgraded its guidance on PPE and told NHS staff they were safe to wear less protective aprons and basic surgical masks in all but the most high risk circumstances. Panorama understands that on the same day, the government took steps to remove Covid-19 from the list of HCIDs."So the story is that it knew it was removing it from the list of HCID and issued guidance accordingly would you have preferred they wait a few days ? My understanding of HCID centres is that because the risk of death is so high everyone has to wear full PPE whereas downgrading means only those in direct contact with confirmed cases wear the full PPE
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Post by bathstoke on May 3, 2020 15:40:52 GMT
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Post by The Drunken Communist on May 4, 2020 10:37:28 GMT
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Post by bathstoke on May 4, 2020 17:40:21 GMT
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Post by thevoid on May 4, 2020 21:15:25 GMT
It's great to be a Tory You can be wank and still win an election #pointlesshashtag #getashoweryouleftisttwat #anyonecandohashtags
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 4, 2020 22:53:18 GMT
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/austerity-cuts-local-services-boris-johnson-funding-workington-stoke-grimsby-a9301281.htmlPoorer areas that delivered Boris Johnson’s election triumph are facing fresh cuts to local services – as funds are switched to wealthy Southern shires instead. Hundreds of millions of pounds will be diverted because of a new formula which significantly downgrades the importance of deprivation in assessing need, an analysis shows.
The shake-up will hurt high-profile Tory election gains including Workington, Stoke-on-Trent, Grimsby, West Bromwich, Sedgefield, Bishop Auckland and Redcar, it shows. Well done you dumb fuckers
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Post by thevoid on May 4, 2020 23:05:53 GMT
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/austerity-cuts-local-services-boris-johnson-funding-workington-stoke-grimsby-a9301281.htmlPoorer areas that delivered Boris Johnson’s election triumph are facing fresh cuts to local services – as funds are switched to wealthy Southern shires instead. Hundreds of millions of pounds will be diverted because of a new formula which significantly downgrades the importance of deprivation in assessing need, an analysis shows.
The shake-up will hurt high-profile Tory election gains including Workington, Stoke-on-Trent, Grimsby, West Bromwich, Sedgefield, Bishop Auckland and Redcar, it shows. Well done you dumb fuckers If only I had free broadband to read these stories....
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Post by essexstokey on May 5, 2020 14:45:55 GMT
UK coronavirus death toll rises above 32,000 to highest in Europe
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Post by Eggybread on May 5, 2020 17:36:36 GMT
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/austerity-cuts-local-services-boris-johnson-funding-workington-stoke-grimsby-a9301281.htmlPoorer areas that delivered Boris Johnson’s election triumph are facing fresh cuts to local services – as funds are switched to wealthy Southern shires instead. Hundreds of millions of pounds will be diverted because of a new formula which significantly downgrades the importance of deprivation in assessing need, an analysis shows.
The shake-up will hurt high-profile Tory election gains including Workington, Stoke-on-Trent, Grimsby, West Bromwich, Sedgefield, Bishop Auckland and Redcar, it shows. Well done you dumb fuckers If only I had free broadband to read these stories.... What a dumb response to a very serious sad situation.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 6, 2020 7:53:55 GMT
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Post by Northy on May 6, 2020 8:04:25 GMT
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/austerity-cuts-local-services-boris-johnson-funding-workington-stoke-grimsby-a9301281.htmlPoorer areas that delivered Boris Johnson’s election triumph are facing fresh cuts to local services – as funds are switched to wealthy Southern shires instead. Hundreds of millions of pounds will be diverted because of a new formula which significantly downgrades the importance of deprivation in assessing need, an analysis shows.
The shake-up will hurt high-profile Tory election gains including Workington, Stoke-on-Trent, Grimsby, West Bromwich, Sedgefield, Bishop Auckland and Redcar, it shows. Well done you dumb fuckers If only I had free broadband to read these stories.... It was a story from January, which was posted on here at the time, and pointed out that the new formula was set up under Theresa May's time, which I suppose was available for reading during the election campaign, so it could have been picked up and run with it back then by the dumb fuckers ... in opposition
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Post by Northy on May 6, 2020 10:02:08 GMT
UK employment rate at record high before lockdown linkwhich was a good thing wasn't it?
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Post by Eggybread on May 6, 2020 10:09:21 GMT
If only I had free broadband to read these stories.... It was a story from January, which was posted on here at the time, and pointed out that the new formula was set up under Theresa May's time, which I suppose was available for reading during the election campaign, so it could have been picked up and run with it back then by the dumb fuckers ... in opposition Put forward by May (tory) implemented by Johnson (tory) with the full backing of the people who voted (tory) at the general election ,the people of Stoke-On -Trent (tory) and you think the Labour voters who voted against it are the dumb ones. Cuckoo land.
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Post by thevoid on May 6, 2020 10:38:38 GMT
You brought the Julian Clary joke up on here over a year ago and, just as I did then, I'll point out that it's the sort of joke Julian Clary himself would use. If you want to go over old ground though, I'm more than happy to remind people that you compared me with a nailbomber once. A laughable and pathetic comment that says more about you than it does me, fella.
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