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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Mar 5, 2020 11:42:02 GMT
Patel's parents had British passports. Myth debunked. You've no idea how many were applying and being refused pre-1972. You've no idea how many eventually ended up in ex-Commonwealth countries. You've no idea how many of those ex-Commonwealth countries also refused entry. Stop digging, you've lost. Indians who escaped tyranny in the 60s and came here to add to our culture and economy will not be allowed under this act. We are an unfriendly and unwelcoming country and Patel is a traitor to her heritage. The only people who have lost are those in similar situations today. Escaping tyranny is not covered by the new points based system. That's covered by the Settlement: refugee or humanitarian protection - gov.uk
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 5, 2020 11:45:43 GMT
Indians who escaped tyranny in the 60s and came here to add to our culture and economy will not be allowed under this act. We are an unfriendly and unwelcoming country and Patel is a traitor to her heritage. The only people who have lost are those in similar situations today. Escaping tyranny is not covered by the new points based system. That's covered by the Settlement: refugee or humanitarian protection - gov.uk So wouldn't have applied to persecuted Indians in Uganda in the 60s. Door closed. Take your medicine.
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Post by foster on Mar 5, 2020 12:13:34 GMT
I'd be more concerned about getting rid of some of those we have in the UK already. Those that refuse to integrate whilst getting British nationality and bringing in their extended families. I'm not sure how making it more difficult for EU people to come in, but easier for Non-EU people (less competition vs EU people) is going to help. Maybe we'll see more Indian, African, Middle Eastern, etc. people coming in as of 2021. As we're also aiming for skilled profiles does that mean that the top jobs will likely go to Non-UK nationals (they'll accept lower wages) while all the low skilled jobs currently taken up largely by eastern europeans will go to British people. There are plenty of questions to ask about how this is going to work in practice. A society largely made up of foreigners taking all the skilled jobs while the UK nationals work beneath them isn't something I find enticing. Why is this making it harder for EU citizens and easier for non-EU citizens?? In that EU citizens may have had an easier route into the UK from an administrative perspective. This may have given them a competitive advantage with employers over non-EU citizens. All things soon being equal, I would expect to see Non-EU people replacing a significant proportion of EU nationals in the UK. I also expect those coming in to be from poorer countries and to accept lower wages than British people would accept for skilled jobs. I actually see a risk here of 1) British people being pushed to the bottom of the employment food chain, and 2) Even more dilution of British culture and values as even more nationalities/cultures join the melting pot. Maybe not, but we'll see.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2020 17:48:12 GMT
Tick tock.....
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 5, 2020 18:18:56 GMT
I wonder if Labour will eventually regret close association with Islam?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2020 18:20:46 GMT
I wonder if Labour will eventually regret close association with Islam? Strange response John........
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Post by wagsastokie on Mar 5, 2020 18:22:41 GMT
I wonder if Labour will eventually regret close association with Islam? The Labour councillors in charge of child protection in Northern towns should be
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Post by felonious on Mar 5, 2020 18:25:41 GMT
Or perhaps she's just a massive prick? It's easy to make that insult on virtually anybody in the public eye particularly politicians. As Partick has said, it more than likely says more about YOUR starting point. The bias is painful.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 5, 2020 18:47:54 GMT
I wonder if Labour will eventually regret close association with Islam? Strange response John........ Just a question about the future of the Labour party in our inner cities. I believe that the cultural divide between Muslim and the largely white working class community in some towns and cities might cause them issues of loyalty? What do you think, everything will be hunky dory. I think that the Tories are better at circumventing such issues, but being an ideological based party Labour tend to get self destruct over such issues.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2020 18:57:09 GMT
Strange response John........ Just a question about the future of the Labour party in our inner cities. I believe that the cultural divide between Muslim and the largely white working class community in some towns and cities might cause them issues of loyalty? What do you think, everything will be hunky dory. I think that the Tories are better at circumventing such issues, but being an ideological based party Labour tend to get self destruct over such issues. That’s great and all that John, but the article was about anti Muslim hatred in the Tory party being ignored despite an initial pledge to look into it internally, and it’s about the fact that the EHRC seem to have different standards when it comes to racism. It wasn’t about the Labour Party like the many other threads about them or their leader......
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 5, 2020 19:07:23 GMT
Just a question about the future of the Labour party in our inner cities. I believe that the cultural divide between Muslim and the largely white working class community in some towns and cities might cause them issues of loyalty? What do you think, everything will be hunky dory. I think that the Tories are better at circumventing such issues, but being an ideological based party Labour tend to get self destruct over such issues. That’s great and all that John, but the article was about anti Muslim hatred in the Tory party being ignored despite an initial pledge to look into it internally, and it’s about the fact that the EHRC seem to have different standards when it comes to racism. It wasn’t about the Labour Party like the many other threads about them or their leader...... You're right Prestwich. On the Tiry/ Islamaphobia I think that the Tories are very good at , somehow not dwelling on it, even if others think that they should and even if they are condemned or if they have an internal inquiry....I don't think that it will affect them and their support in the long run...you could try to say that makes them and their supporters racists....I do t think that will affect them. ( as an afterthought i just think that Labour/ Islam link might have more impact upon Labour) I've said
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2020 19:12:19 GMT
That’s great and all that John, but the article was about anti Muslim hatred in the Tory party being ignored despite an initial pledge to look into it internally, and it’s about the fact that the EHRC seem to have different standards when it comes to racism. It wasn’t about the Labour Party like the many other threads about them or their leader...... You're right Prestwich. On the Tiry/ Islamaphobia I think that the Tories are very good at , somehow not dwelling on it, even if others think that they should and even if they are condemned or if they have an internal inquiry....I don't think that it will affect them and their support in the long run...you could try to say that makes them and their supporters racists....I do t think that will affect them. ( as an afterthought i just think that Labour/ Islam link might have more impact upon Labour) I've said It’s easy for people involved in racism not to dwell on being racist though John. It’s usually because they’re fairly comfortable with their racism. It’s not a line of defence I’ve heard before I’ll be honest......
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2020 19:21:51 GMT
How bizarre.....
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 5, 2020 19:36:39 GMT
You're right Prestwich. On the Tory/ Islamaphobia issue I think that the Tories are very good at, somehow, not dwelling on it, even if others think that they should and even if they are condemned or if they have an internal inquiry....I don't think that it will affect them and their support in the long run...you could try to say that makes them and their supporters racists....I don't think that will affect them. (as an afterthought i just think that Labour/ Islam link might have more impact upon Labour) I've said It’s easy for people involved in racism not to dwell on being racist though John. It’s usually because they’re fairly comfortable with their racism. It’s not a line of defence I’ve heard before I’ll be honest...... They don't dwell on the issues...they are not overly concerned with asking the questions/ pointing fingers...even if you you think they should be ( I'm not particularly arguing a point just making an observation as I see it...the natural party of government....Labour have become the perpetual protest movement,against everything/ for nothing. Up to the referendum and following it I heard many times that it was an existential problem for the Conservatives that's all that Brexit is about, it will irreparably split the Tories.....look what happened....the Tories have a big majority, seem more united than in recent years, dessenters have simply kept quiet/ toed the line.....the Labour party may be heading for oblivion, certainly the Momentum section that thinks it represents ordinary working class folk. How did that happen?...I've got my ideas).
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Post by felonious on Mar 5, 2020 19:52:40 GMT
Not really the Labour party are politicising everything from the floods to Coronavirus, everything has become party political. You only have to look at the posts of the disciples on these pages. It's getting really tiring listening/reading the constant negativity. I reckon the public are heartily sick of it probably seen recently in the way they voted.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2020 19:59:00 GMT
Not really the Labour party are politicising everything from the floods to Coronavirus, everything has become party political. You only have to look at the posts of the disciples on these pages. It's getting really tiring listening/reading the constant negativity. I reckon the public are heartily sick of it probably seen recently in the way they voted. It's not tiring though is it really? It's just a few dozen people posting their opinions on a message board usually whilst sitting on the bog or avoiding doing what they're paid for. Why always with the amateur dramatics?
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Post by felonious on Mar 5, 2020 20:03:11 GMT
Not really the Labour party are politicising everything from the floods to Coronavirus, everything has become party political. You only have to look at the posts of the disciples on these pages. It's getting really tiring listening/reading the constant negativity. I reckon the public are heartily sick of it probably seen recently in the way they voted. It's not tiring though is it really? It's just a few dozen people posting their opinions on a message board usually whilst sitting on the bog or avoiding doing what they're paid for. Why always with the amateur dramatics? It's the constant negativity from the very unhappy band that's tiring. It's a message board as you say, ever thought of posting something positive?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2020 20:08:31 GMT
It's not tiring though is it really? It's just a few dozen people posting their opinions on a message board usually whilst sitting on the bog or avoiding doing what they're paid for. Why always with the amateur dramatics? It's the constant negativity from the very unhappy band that's tiring. It's a message board as you say, ever thought of posting something positive? I'm perfectly happy, apart from a stinking cold. What positive message would you like me to post on a "The Government is an utter shambles" thread?
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 5, 2020 20:20:21 GMT
You're right Prestwich. On the Tiry/ Islamaphobia I think that the Tories are very good at , somehow not dwelling on it, even if others think that they should and even if they are condemned or if they have an internal inquiry....I don't think that it will affect them and their support in the long run...you could try to say that makes them and their supporters racists....I do t think that will affect them. ( as an afterthought i just think that Labour/ Islam link might have more impact upon Labour) I've said It’s easy for people involved in racism not to dwell on being racist though John. It’s usually because they’re fairly comfortable with their racism. It’s not a line of defence I’ve heard before I’ll be honest...... I have it normally involves quoting percentages to try and down play the significance.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2020 20:26:05 GMT
It’s easy for people involved in racism not to dwell on being racist though John. It’s usually because they’re fairly comfortable with their racism. It’s not a line of defence I’ve heard before I’ll be honest...... I have it normally involves quoting percentages to try and down play the significance. I think the answer is to always look at the evidence, and what we know is factually correct. That's fairly obvious.......
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2020 21:36:49 GMT
It’s easy for people involved in racism not to dwell on being racist though John. It’s usually because they’re fairly comfortable with their racism. It’s not a line of defence I’ve heard before I’ll be honest...... They don't dwell on the issues...they are not overly concerned with asking the questions/ pointing fingers...even if you you think they should be ( I'm not particularly arguing a point just making an observation as I see it...the natural party of government....Labour have become the perpetual protest movement, against everything/ for nothing. Up to the referendum and following it I heard many times that it was an existential problem for the Conservatives that's all that Brexit is about, it will irreparably split the Tories.....look what happened....the Tories have a big majority, seem more united than in recent years, dessenters have simply kept quiet/ toed the line.....the Labour party may be heading for oblivion, certainly the Momentum section that thinks it represents ordinary working class folk. How did that happen?...I've got my ideas). Their manifesto in 2019 was 'for' a hell of a lot of things. Some say too much, but I think that is a bit of a red herring, I think it's easy to see an opposition and say they're just a protest group, but they did attempt to offer solutions, and a bloody lot of them. They seem to be voting far more on higher principle than policy and far more on holistic ideas than specifics. I think a lot of those principles are just not something Labour is on to yet. The tories have an easier ride with these things because I don't think for a large part the general public care about racism or Islamophobia etc. and I think that the antisemitism row and the fact it gained more traction than Tory Islamophobia was just a projection of the general public's current dislike of the left.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 5, 2020 21:53:41 GMT
They don't dwell on the issues...they are not overly concerned with asking the questions/ pointing fingers...even if you you think they should be ( I'm not particularly arguing a point just making an observation as I see it...the natural party of government....Labour have become the perpetual protest movement, against everything/ for nothing. Up to the referendum and following it I heard many times that it was an existential problem for the Conservatives that's all that Brexit is about, it will irreparably split the Tories.....look what happened....the Tories have a big majority, seem more united than in recent years, dessenters have simply kept quiet/ toed the line.....the Labour party may be heading for oblivion, certainly the Momentum section that thinks it represents ordinary working class folk. How did that happen?...I've got my ideas). Their manifesto in 2019 was 'for' a hell of a lot of things. Some say too much, but I think that is a bit of a red herring, I think it's easy to see an opposition and say they're just a protest group, but they did attempt to offer solutions, and a bloody lot of them. They seem to be voting far more on higher principle than policy and far more on holistic ideas than specifics. I think a lot of those principles are just not something Labour is on to yet. The tories have an easier ride with these things because I don't think for a large part the general public care about racism or Islamophobia etc. and I think that the antisemitism row and the fact it gained more traction than Tory Islamophobia was just a projection of the general public's current dislike of the left. I think that they failed to get many of them over though. Not many people read manifestos. They're too introspective as a party, too concerned with issues that don't resonate with people. They were completely wrong on Brexit, the overriding issue and they hadn't got any positive personalities to whom people could relate. They don't seem to have learnt any lessons from their defeat either. In my opinion
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Post by franklin66 on Mar 5, 2020 22:09:42 GMT
It's the constant negativity from the very unhappy band that's tiring. It's a message board as you say, ever thought of posting something positive? I'm perfectly happy, apart from a stinking cold. What positive message would you like me to post on a "The Government is an utter shambles" thread? You have to look at the authors of these threads it's all provocative click bait to perpetuate this theory that the EE board is only full of racists etc. Its boring and predictable with the same shit day after day. I still like to keep tabs on it though some informative stuff but most is just deliberately inflammatory.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2020 22:11:22 GMT
Their manifesto in 2019 was 'for' a hell of a lot of things. Some say too much, but I think that is a bit of a red herring, I think it's easy to see an opposition and say they're just a protest group, but they did attempt to offer solutions, and a bloody lot of them. They seem to be voting far more on higher principle than policy and far more on holistic ideas than specifics. I think a lot of those principles are just not something Labour is on to yet. The tories have an easier ride with these things because I don't think for a large part the general public care about racism or Islamophobia etc. and I think that the antisemitism row and the fact it gained more traction than Tory Islamophobia was just a projection of the general public's current dislike of the left. I think that they failed to get many of them over though. Not many people read manifestos. They're too introspective as a party, too concerned with issues that don't resonate with people. They were completely wrong on Brexit, the overriding issue and they hadn't got any positive personalities to whom people could relate. They don't seem to have learnt any lessons from their defeat either. In my opinion I honestly don't know what they can learn from 2019 really. The man who won stole a reporter's phone when he asked about a sick child on the floor and hid in a fridge to avoid questioning. He wrote a book rifled full of racism, and has a history of being an absolute incompetent buffoon. Some say that shows labour's ineptitude, but I don't think any politician in charge of labour would've stood a chance, no matter what the stance on Brexit/anything else. Hence why the current leadership decision is very difficult. The rules are so up in the air now that I have no clue what would win/lose an election. Johnson would've been out of the race before he even started if the same election happened 10/15 years ago. But yes, policies didn't get through, I stand by my original point that they're not just a protest party though, they actually ran many very positive policies and ideas.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 5, 2020 22:18:49 GMT
I think that they failed to get many of them over though. Not many people read manifestos. They're too introspective as a party, too concerned with issues that don't resonate with people. They were completely wrong on Brexit, the overriding issue and they hadn't got any positive personalities to whom people could relate. They don't seem to have learnt any lessons from their defeat either. In my opinion I honestly don't know what they can learn from 2019 really. The man who won stole a reporter's phone when he asked about a sick child on the floor and hid in a fridge to avoid questioning. He wrote a book rifled full of racism, and has a history of being an absolute incompetent buffoon. Some say that shows labour's ineptitude, but I don't think any politician in charge of labour would've stood a chance, no matter what the stance on Brexit/anything else. Hence why the current leadership decision is very difficult. The rules are so up in the air now that I have no clue what would win/lose an election. Johnson would've been out of the race before he even started if the same election happened 10/15 years ago. But yes, policies didn't get through, I stand by my original point that they're not just a protest party though, they actually ran many very positive policies and ideas I think that they've completely lost their way, don't listen to the actual working class anymore, are an organisation having it's own struggle with it's own identity, an organisation that looks inward then comes up with its policies on how they think people should live ( and think)...which would be fine if those making the decisions had something impressive about them. It isn't 15 or 20 years ago , Boris backed the right horse with Brexit, the current major issue...Labour got it totally wrong....and seem to have le+rnt nothing.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2020 22:19:46 GMT
I'm perfectly happy, apart from a stinking cold. What positive message would you like me to post on a "The Government is an utter shambles" thread? You have to look at the authors of these threads it's all provocative click bait to perpetuate this theory that the EE board is only full of racists etc. Its boring and predictable with the same shit day after day. I still like to keep tabs on it though some informative stuff but most is just deliberately inflammatory. You mean threads like the "Cultural Enrichment" one which just became an echo chamber for half a dozen posters worst prejudices? I agree you have to look at the author of these threads......
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Post by franklin66 on Mar 5, 2020 22:23:52 GMT
You have to look at the authors of these threads it's all provocative click bait to perpetuate this theory that the EE board is only full of racists etc. Its boring and predictable with the same shit day after day. I still like to keep tabs on it though some informative stuff but most is just deliberately inflammatory. You mean threads like "Cultural Enrichment" thread which just became an echo chamber for half a dozen posters worst prejudices? I agree you have to look at the author of these threads...... I'm not saying all threads but let's be honest on this first page most are threads created by a certain side of the argument, take a look!! Same folk same subject matter being fair there is not a lot else going on to contribute to. Top 3 will give you a clue...
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Post by felonious on Mar 6, 2020 5:16:09 GMT
You mean threads like "Cultural Enrichment" thread which just became an echo chamber for half a dozen posters worst prejudices? I agree you have to look at the author of these threads...... I'm not saying all threads but let's be honest on this first page most are threads created by a certain side of the argument, take a look!! Same folk same subject matter being fair there is not a lot else going on to contribute to. Top 3 will give you a clue... Probably correct. I would add that getting a positive thread on any subject on this side of the board is like pulling teeth at the moment. There seems to be a lot of people far happier wollowing in misery.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Mar 6, 2020 18:04:28 GMT
"Shambles"
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Post by bathstoke on Mar 7, 2020 12:06:07 GMT
Here’s some w@#&!n material for the blue boys💦
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