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Post by bigjohnritchie on Feb 29, 2020 14:39:09 GMT
Yep thats the civil service for you, its funny this happens just as there was talk of a leak inquiry into the briefing from civil service sources including claims that MI5 had to take the extraordinary step of saying were rubbish. This guy is the one who sat next to Rudd and fed her the wrong information at windrush inquiry that led to her resignation. As has been pointed out for an anonymous civil servant he seems awfully media savvy including the timing being a saturday and feeding the story to the bbc in advance. Rightly or wrongly it seems that the Boris premiership is heralding a new era. Many people think that the civil service have weilded to much power over the recent years. This man had done 33 years, perhaps it is time for a change. When a new manager is appointed to a football club he brings with him his own backroom team so that he can do things his way. Perhaps that is all that is happening...perhaps it was him or Patel who had to go.
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Post by bathstoke on Feb 29, 2020 15:48:03 GMT
Yep thats the civil service for you, its funny this happens just as there was talk of a leak inquiry into the briefing from civil service sources including claims that MI5 had to take the extraordinary step of saying were rubbish. This guy is the one who sat next to Rudd and fed her the wrong information at windrush inquiry that led to her resignation. As has been pointed out for an anonymous civil servant he seems awfully media savvy including the timing being a saturday and feeding the story to the bbc in advance. Rightly or wrongly it seems that the Boris premiership is heralding a new era. Many people think that the civil service have weilded to much power over the recent years. This man had done 33 years, perhaps it is time for a change. When a new manager is appointed to a football club he brings with him his own backroom team so that he can do things his way. Perhaps that is all that is happening...perhaps it was him or Patel who had to go. The civil service doesn’t work like the POA who brings his(I say his as they’ve never had a woman)own administration. Civil Servants have gone through a whole line of vetting to get where they are. It’s not a bad thing that he’s been around for 33yrs. Civil Servants sign the official secrets act. You wouldn’t want some JCL’s popping in & out, knowing the nations secrets. Certainly not in the home office. I’m not surprised MI5 didn’t want Priti knowing it’s deepest darkest. She’s a woman without morals, she’d probs sell them to Mossad...
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Feb 29, 2020 15:56:54 GMT
Rightly or wrongly it seems that the Boris premiership is heralding a new era. Many people think that the civil service have weilded to much power over the recent years. This man had done 33 years, perhaps it is time for a change. When a new manager is appointed to a football club he brings with him his own backroom team so that he can do things his way. Perhaps that is all that is happening...perhaps it was him or Patel who had to go. The civil service doesn’t work like the POA who brings his(I say his as they’ve never had a woman)own administration. Civil Servants have gone through a whole line of vetting to get where they are. It’s not a bad thing that he’s been around for 33yrs. Civil Servants sign the official secrets act. You wouldn’t want some JCL’s popping in & out, knowing the nations secrets. Certainly not in the home office. I’m not surprised MI5 didn’t want Priti knowing it’s deepest darkest. She’s a woman without morals, she’d probs sell them to Mossad... Perhaps they needed a shake up, as is the case in many jobs. I'd imagine the new people will be vetted and will sign the Official Secrets Act. There are two sides to every story.
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Post by bathstoke on Feb 29, 2020 16:06:32 GMT
The civil service doesn’t work like the POA who brings his(I say his as they’ve never had a woman)own administration. Civil Servants have gone through a whole line of vetting to get where they are. It’s not a bad thing that he’s been around for 33yrs. Civil Servants sign the official secrets act. You wouldn’t want some JCL’s popping in & out, knowing the nations secrets. Certainly not in the home office. I’m not surprised MI5 didn’t want Priti knowing it’s deepest darkest. She’s a woman without morals, she’d probs sell them to Mossad... Perhaps they needed a shake up, as is the case in many jobs. I'd imagine the new people will be vetted and will sign the Official Secrets Act. There are two sides to every story. So it’s the Police forces, NHS, teachers, prison service, Civil Servants, in fact it’s everyone’s fault other than the government of the past 10yrs. Ffs, this is the demonising of everyone but them. Oh & their mates the Bankers, cause they’re beyond reproach.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Feb 29, 2020 16:12:48 GMT
Rightly or wrongly it seems that the Boris premiership is heralding a new era. Many people think that the civil service have weilded to much power over the recent years. This man had done 33 years, perhaps it is time for a change. When a new manager is appointed to a football club he brings with him his own backroom team so that he can do things his way. Perhaps that is all that is happening...perhaps it was him or Patel who had to go. The civil service doesn’t work like the POA who brings his(I say his as they’ve never had a woman)own administration. Civil Servants have gone through a whole line of vetting to get where they are. It’s not a bad thing that he’s been around for 33yrs. Civil Servants sign the official secrets act. You wouldn’t want some JCL’s popping in & out, knowing the nations secrets. Certainly not in the home office. I’m not surprised MI5 didn’t want Priti knowing it’s deepest darkest. She’s a woman without morals, she’d probs sell them to Mossad... Perhaps they needed a shake up, as is the case in many jobs. I'd imagine the new people will be vetted and will sign the Official Secrets Act. There are two sides to every story. I could well imagine Patel being very dogmatic and , controlling....some would say overly assertive, she's only been on post 10 minutes and is perhaps eager to " get things done"...her way. Perhaps she either ways things up quickly or completely lacks man ( or woman) management skills. It did seem obvious that the new regime across Boris's cabinet would clash with the civil service.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Feb 29, 2020 16:17:38 GMT
Perhaps they needed a shake up, as is the case in many jobs. I'd imagine the new people will be vetted and will sign the Official Secrets Act. There are two sides to every story. So it’s the Police forces, NHS, teachers, prison service, Civil Servants, in fact it’s everyone’s fault other than the government of the past 10yrs. Ffs, this is the demonising of everyone but them. Oh & their mates the Bankers, cause they’re beyond reproach. I don't know about " fault" and I don't know how all the rest you name has got to do with this man leaving his post. Perhaps you don't like the Tories and would prefer a Momentum government...perhaps they would be kinder to those who don't toe the line.
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Post by bathstoke on Feb 29, 2020 16:34:20 GMT
So it’s the Police forces, NHS, teachers, prison service, Civil Servants, in fact it’s everyone’s fault other than the government of the past 10yrs. Ffs, this is the demonising of everyone but them. Oh & their mates the Bankers, cause they’re beyond reproach. I don't know about " fault" and I don't know how all the rest you name has got to do with this man leaving his post. Perhaps you don't like the Tories and would prefer a Momentum government...perhaps they would be kinder to those who don't toe the line. Oh, so now it’s momentum fault too. No, no, no. Not me, not my fault, I didn’t do it, it was them. La, la, la, not listening. How long do we have to go down this road before we realise we’ve taken the wrong route. ‘Pragmatism’ Getting it wrong & carrying on regardless...
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Feb 29, 2020 16:35:39 GMT
I don't know about " fault" and I don't know how all the rest you name has got to do with this man leaving his post. Perhaps you don't like the Tories and would prefer a Momentum government...perhaps they would be kinder to those who don't toe the line. Oh, so now it’s momentum fault too. No, no, no. Not me, not my fault, I didn’t do it, it was them. La, la, la, not listening. How long do we have to go down this road before we realise we’ve taken the wrong route. ‘Pragmatism’ Getting it wrong & carrying on regardless... Calm down . It's God's fault
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Post by bathstoke on Feb 29, 2020 16:37:36 GMT
Oh, so now it’s momentum fault too. No, no, no. Not me, not my fault, I didn’t do it, it was them. La, la, la, not listening. How long do we have to go down this road before we realise we’ve taken the wrong route. ‘Pragmatism’ Getting it wrong & carrying on regardless... Calm down . It's God's fault Don’t worry, I’m going for a pint soon. Mmm
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 3, 2020 9:20:04 GMT
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Post by Eggybread on Mar 3, 2020 9:22:22 GMT
This board? Shes vile and dangerous.
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Post by foster on Mar 3, 2020 10:31:29 GMT
...or a feminist with a chip on her shoulder.
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Post by franklin66 on Mar 3, 2020 11:31:53 GMT
This board? Shes vile and dangerous. You dont know if either is true.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Mar 3, 2020 12:07:30 GMT
Only last week Patel AND Rutman released a joint statement denying any rift, any blocking of MI5 information and bullying claims. So what changed his mind in a week? Priti Patel and Home Office secretary Sir Philip Rutnam deny 'false allegations' of rift in joint statement - inews Anyone paid 25k for a golden goodbye from the civil service will have signed a non-disclosure agreement. NDA's are kept by the legal representatives of each party and not by the individuals involved to avoid them being leaked either accidentally or deliberately. How has the BBC "seen" the letter detailing this agreement?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2020 22:44:47 GMT
Give her a break, least this time it's only workplace bullying she'll lose her job for and not treason...........
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Post by Eggybread on Mar 4, 2020 7:30:52 GMT
This board? Shes vile and dangerous. You dont know if either is true. I know and thats all what counts.Its already cost the public £25,000 so she can keep her job And I see another story emerges. She will be gone,good riddance. Israel is waiting.
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Post by partickpotter on Mar 4, 2020 7:38:05 GMT
This board? Shes vile and dangerous. You dont know if either is true. Eggy is racist and misogynistic. That is why he is picking on a female politician of Asian decent. Oh, you’re right. I also don’t know if either is true. But throwing insults around is awfully good fun isn’t it.
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Post by bathstoke on Mar 4, 2020 7:59:13 GMT
It’s not now, nor ever has been funny. More incompetence
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2020 9:00:28 GMT
You dont know if either is true. Eggy is racist and misogynistic. That is why he is picking on a female politician of Asian decent. Oh, you’re right. I also don’t know if either is true. But throwing insults around is awfully good fun isn’t it. Well a quick Google search shows clear evidence of her being dangerous, unless her 2017 resignation when she breached ministerial conduct code and national security rules has already been forgotten.....
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Post by partickpotter on Mar 4, 2020 9:01:58 GMT
Eggy is racist and misogynistic. That is why he is picking on a female politician of Asian decent. Oh, you’re right. I also don’t know if either is true. But throwing insults around is awfully good fun isn’t it. Well a quick Google search shows clear evidence of her being dangerous, unless her 2017 resignation when she breached ministerial conduct code and national security rules has already been forgotten..... Does that make her vile and dangerous? I don’t think so.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2020 9:18:09 GMT
Well a quick Google search shows clear evidence of her being dangerous, unless her 2017 resignation when she breached ministerial conduct code and national security rules has already been forgotten..... Does that make her vile and dangerous? I don’t think so. It certainly makes her dangerous, of course it does. Whilst vile may be a bit strong, my own eyes and ears watching various interviews tell me enough about her character. A gifted politician that's universally hated across the civil service may get away with it because of their skills to do the job, one that doesn't know the difference between "Terrorism" and "Counter Terrorism" and doesn't appear particularly capable is just a dead woman walking....
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Post by partickpotter on Mar 4, 2020 9:25:47 GMT
Does that make her vile and dangerous? I don’t think so. It certainly makes her dangerous, of course it does. Whilst vile may be a bit strong, my own eyes and ears watching various interviews tell me enough about her character. A gifted politician that's universally hated across the civil service may get away with it because of their skills to do the job, one that doesn't know the difference between "Terrorism" and "Counter Terrorism" and doesn't appear particularly capable is just a dead woman walking.... There are so many politicians across all parties that could be considered dangerous according to this definition. And when there’s a witch hunt on, it’s easy to fall for a distorted picture - you’ve seen the same thing with Corbyn. The truth is folk judge people according to their own prejudices not any individual situation. Which, I appreciate, is stating the obvious. But folk should, from time to time, acknowledge how their prejudice affects how they see things. Which I don’t think happens very much.
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Post by Eggybread on Mar 4, 2020 9:29:37 GMT
She is a supporter of the death penalty. She voted against banning the detention of pregnant women. Voted against same-sex marriage in England and Wales. worked for British American Tobacco (BAT) notorious for funding the brutal Burmese dictatorship in the early 2000s and exploiting child labour in Nigeria. Numerous accounts of bullying coming to light.(More to come) Among many many other illegal and dodgy meetings and comments. VILE.
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Post by yeokel on Mar 4, 2020 9:40:21 GMT
Eggy is racist and misogynistic. That is why he is picking on a female politician of Asian decent. Oh, you’re right. I also don’t know if either is true. But throwing insults around is awfully good fun isn’t it. Well a quick Google search shows clear evidence of her being dangerous, unless her 2017 resignation when she breached ministerial conduct code and national security rules has already been forgotten..... So, looking at it from the other side, if she’s so bad, so incompetent and so dangerous, how does she keep getting promoted to such senior positions not by one Prime Minister, but two? I appreciate I’m on thin ice here as one of those PMs was an utterly incompetent disaster, and the other one is capable of displaying similar properties in the future (he’s not done so yet though). But that said, they must see something in her – what could that be?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 4, 2020 9:45:32 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2020 9:46:11 GMT
It certainly makes her dangerous, of course it does. Whilst vile may be a bit strong, my own eyes and ears watching various interviews tell me enough about her character. A gifted politician that's universally hated across the civil service may get away with it because of their skills to do the job, one that doesn't know the difference between "Terrorism" and "Counter Terrorism" and doesn't appear particularly capable is just a dead woman walking.... There are so many politicians across all parties that could be considered dangerous according to this definition. And when there’s a witch hunt on, it’s easy to fall for a distorted picture - you’ve seen the same thing with Corbyn. The truth is folk judge people according to their own prejudices not any individual situation. Which, I appreciate, is stating the obvious. But folk should, from time to time, acknowledge how their prejudice affects how they see things. Which I don’t think happens very much. I make my judgement on what I see of her. And if there are legal ramifications for her actions she will be judged accordingly......
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Mar 4, 2020 9:47:21 GMT
It’s not now, nor ever has been funny. More incompetence Why is this proposed deal incompetent?
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Mar 4, 2020 9:48:07 GMT
Give her a break, least this time it's only workplace bullying she'll lose her job for and not treason........... "Treason"
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 4, 2020 13:56:05 GMT
Patel seems to me as someone who is on a mission " to get things done" and no one will be allowed to get in her way. I'd imagine that she is very forthright in what she wants, makes it clear and won't stand for any resistance, perceived or real. Her approach might include shouting. For me the issue really rests on the resistance and the degree of unco-operarion that Rutnam was " guilty" of. Had he gone beyond his role, following 33 years in the civil service? My suspicion and they of others is that senior civil servants have over stepped their boundaries and tole for many years...Advisors advise, Ministers decide......but have advisors been economical with the truth in respect of their advice?....It would not matter so much when advisors and politicians share the same beliefs ,as has been the case in recent years in respect of Brexit. Perhaps a change of personnel is inevitable and necessary if a new regime who actually want to go in a different direction comes in....a bit like a football manager who brings in his own backroom staff. Perhaps, due to her personality, it could be argued that Patel has gone about it in the wrong way. Perhaps she would have been treated differently if she had been a man ( perhaps she should have self identified upon taking up the post). Perhaps there was no other way to get rid of the mandarins if indeed they are a problem. If sides are to be taken I am on Patel's side , unless more is revealed.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2020 15:37:17 GMT
Patel seems to me as someone who is on a mission " to get things done" and no one will be allowed to get in her way. I'd imagine that she is very forthright in what she wants, makes it clear and won't stand for any resistance, perceived or real. Her approach might include shouting. For me the issue really rests on the resistance and the degree of unco-operarion that Rutnam was " guilty" of. Had he gone beyond his role, following 33 years in the civil service? My suspicion and they of others is that senior civil servants have over stepped their boundaries and tole for many years...Advisors advise, Ministers decide......but have advisors been economical with the truth in respect of their advice?....It would not matter so much when advisors and politicians share the same beliefs ,as has been the case in recent years in respect of Brexit. Perhaps a change of personnel is inevitable and necessary if a new regime who actually want to go in a different direction comes in....a bit like a football manager who brings in his own backroom staff. Perhaps, due to her personality, it could be argued that Patel has gone about it in the wrong way. Perhaps she would have been treated differently if she had been a man ( perhaps she should have self identified upon taking up the post). Perhaps there was no other way to get rid of the mandarins if indeed they are a problem. If sides are to be taken I am on Patel's side , unless more is revealed. Or perhaps she's just a massive prick?
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