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Post by lordb on Apr 12, 2023 17:57:14 GMT
Following on from the blackface/golliwog discussion earlier, this is 2023 folks ... I’d like to think he’s kicked out asap. How long does it take?
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 12, 2023 17:58:09 GMT
Apologies all, the link hadn’t loaded on my phone so I hadn’t seen anything. What a c*nt!
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Post by lordb on Apr 12, 2023 17:59:56 GMT
Apologies all, the link hadn’t loaded on my phone so I hadn’t seen anything. What a c*nt! It's not even party political, his party have to boot him out
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 12, 2023 18:01:21 GMT
Apologies all, the link hadn’t loaded on my phone so I hadn’t seen anything. What a c*nt! It's not even party political, his party have to boot him out Absolutely, is it defo him though?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2023 18:05:09 GMT
It's not even party political, his party have to boot him out Absolutely, is it defo him though? I’m sure that’s the story he will tell. Oh, it wasn’t me. Then some bots on the internet will be created to say “oh it was in this type of context”, then others “oh, look what labour said”. Then the issue will become confused to many and something else will get their attention.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Apr 12, 2023 18:23:20 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 12, 2023 18:24:44 GMT
Following on from the blackface/golliwog discussion earlier, this is 2023 folks ... Where do you start? Thing is mate (and as I was alluding to yesterday), I'm far from certain he's the only one.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 12, 2023 18:31:30 GMT
So the anti-growth movement (jesus wept 🤦♂️) have returned have they? The thing is, he's right, in a properly functioning society, she'd be laughed out of the room but over the last three years, they've made this sort of bollox the norm and people are swallowing it!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 12, 2023 18:32:29 GMT
She’s an absolute fucking fruit loop
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Post by wannabee on Apr 12, 2023 18:33:41 GMT
It's not even party political, his party have to boot him out Absolutely, is it defo him though? If it wasn't why would he refer himself to the Standards Committee? Ex Magistrate I'm sure he was entirely impartial
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Apr 12, 2023 18:38:48 GMT
She, or more accurately, her strategists seem to have decided to go full on bonkers Trump. The sad truth is that the useless clown doesn't really believe any of it. It's all just to try to reinvent her political career in which she so spectacularly, accurately and amusingly exposed the libertarian nonsense for what it is.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2023 18:40:03 GMT
First question to be asked: Liz, how did your views on economic policies pan out when you were given the reigns? Followed by: Well why don’t you just shut the f*ck up then?
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Apr 12, 2023 18:43:32 GMT
First question to be asked: Liz, how did your views on economic policies pan out when you were given the reigns? Followed by: Well why don’t you just shut the f*ck up then? Exactly. Liz, you've been convicted of interfering with little kids. Here's a first class plane ticket and a £250k speaking engagement to tell us how best to look after little kids.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 12, 2023 18:45:00 GMT
This thread was far more entertaining when all you wokies were getting owned by Rossi last night 😉
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 12, 2023 18:56:51 GMT
Absolutely, is it defo him though? If it wasn't why would he refer himself to the Standards Committee? Ex Magistrate I'm sure he was entirely impartial As a magistrate, surely every trial of a black (or maybe even any ethnic) person he has presided over, must now be considered unsafe ...
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Post by oggyoggy on Apr 12, 2023 19:21:38 GMT
You mean: The problem with gender is that some people think you have to be one thing or another never somewhere in between. Why do things always have to be so black and white? As I said I have no problem with transgender. If you look at my posts you can see that. What I do have an issue with is it being exploited in respect to - Sport (is it right that pre op m to f compete with females). - Using female changing rooms exclusively for women. Is it right in your opinion? - Too much information too soon for the very young. Let it happen naturally without outside influence. - Males changing gender to play the system eg prison. Thoughts? I’ve met 4 transgender people and had lengthy chats with them all. One was particularly inspiring and is currently doing great at Uni (f to m). He didn’t grow up amongst all the recent activism but went on a great journey to be what he is today. He’s a great lad who isn’t in to all the activism and just wants to be accepted which he is because of who he is as an individual. I think I am not ready in any position able to say anything about the points you make about transgender people. It doesn’t impact me or my family or anyone I know (as far as I am aware), and I will leave it to experts to decide, and the people actually affected. What I hate is the use of it as an issue to distract from far bigger issues, like the junior doctor strike, which is what Sunak does.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 12, 2023 19:27:45 GMT
As I said I have no problem with transgender. If you look at my posts you can see that. What I do have an issue with is it being exploited in respect to - Sport (is it right that pre op m to f compete with females). - Using female changing rooms exclusively for women. Is it right in your opinion? - Too much information too soon for the very young. Let it happen naturally without outside influence. - Males changing gender to play the system eg prison. Thoughts? I’ve met 4 transgender people and had lengthy chats with them all. One was particularly inspiring and is currently doing great at Uni (f to m). He didn’t grow up amongst all the recent activism but went on a great journey to be what he is today. He’s a great lad who isn’t in to all the activism and just wants to be accepted which he is because of who he is as an individual. I think I am not ready in any position able to say anything about the points you make about transgender people. It doesn’t impact me or my family or anyone I know (as far as I am aware), and I will leave it to experts to decide, and the people actually affected. What I hate is the use of it as an issue to distract from far bigger issues, like the junior doctor strike, which is what Sunak does. What defines a junior doctor and in what stratosphere does a 35% wage demand be considered normal? I don’t know, I’m asking
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Post by Han Solo on Apr 12, 2023 19:35:31 GMT
As I said I have no problem with transgender. If you look at my posts you can see that. What I do have an issue with is it being exploited in respect to - Sport (is it right that pre op m to f compete with females). - Using female changing rooms exclusively for women. Is it right in your opinion? - Too much information too soon for the very young. Let it happen naturally without outside influence. - Males changing gender to play the system eg prison. Thoughts? I’ve met 4 transgender people and had lengthy chats with them all. One was particularly inspiring and is currently doing great at Uni (f to m). He didn’t grow up amongst all the recent activism but went on a great journey to be what he is today. He’s a great lad who isn’t in to all the activism and just wants to be accepted which he is because of who he is as an individual. I think I am not ready in any position able to say anything about the points you make about transgender people. It doesn’t impact me or my family or anyone I know (as far as I am aware), and I will leave it to experts to decide, and the people actually affected. What I hate is the use of it as an issue to distract from far bigger issues, like the junior doctor strike, which is what Sunak does. I guess that’s multi tasking. For what it’s worth unlike some of the other industries striking the doctors are more justified than most. Their starting salary is shocking.
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Post by lordb on Apr 12, 2023 19:36:54 GMT
Thing is mate (and as I was alluding to yesterday), I'm far from certain he's the only one. He's surely the only one stupid enough to be recorded saying it? It's mind bogglingly beyond parody If they don't boot him out then they deserve dogs abuse
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 12, 2023 20:06:42 GMT
Thing is mate (and as I was alluding to yesterday), I'm far from certain he's the only one. He's surely the only one stupid enough to be recorded saying it? It's mind bogglingly beyond parody If they don't boot him out then they deserve dogs abuse I imagine he didn't realise he was being recorded when he said it. It seems he's just another dumb Tory caught in another sting of late.
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Post by wannabee on Apr 12, 2023 20:06:58 GMT
I think I am not ready in any position able to say anything about the points you make about transgender people. It doesn’t impact me or my family or anyone I know (as far as I am aware), and I will leave it to experts to decide, and the people actually affected. What I hate is the use of it as an issue to distract from far bigger issues, like the junior doctor strike, which is what Sunak does. 1.What defines a junior doctor 2. and in what stratosphere does a 35% wage demand be considered normal? I don’t know, I’m asking 1.A Doctor who has spent between 4-6 years in University and accumulated a huge debt Then spends a further 8-12 years before qualifying as a Consultant 2. In a stratosphere where your pay has been eroded through below inflation pay rises for 15 years And, where you have the opportunity to earn about 50% more in Australia or Canada. Germany and Netherlands also apply but not seemingly as attractive It's not all about pay the underfunding in NHS resulting in understaffing of Doctors with about 10,000 vacancies
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 12, 2023 21:10:34 GMT
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Post by oggyoggy on Apr 12, 2023 21:22:57 GMT
I think I am not ready in any position able to say anything about the points you make about transgender people. It doesn’t impact me or my family or anyone I know (as far as I am aware), and I will leave it to experts to decide, and the people actually affected. What I hate is the use of it as an issue to distract from far bigger issues, like the junior doctor strike, which is what Sunak does. What defines a junior doctor and in what stratosphere does a 35% wage demand be considered normal? I don’t know, I’m asking A non-consultant. 35% is too high (but that isn’t actually what they are proposing across the board). But I bet there is a figure the government are willing to pay. Perhaps they should negotiate now, rather than allowing people to die and get iller and to suffer more by refusing to even speak and negotiate with the doctors. And then in a month deciding they will negotiate as we all know they will eventually. If the government offered 10% or 15% and it was rejected, I am sure many would start losing sympathy with the strikers.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Apr 12, 2023 21:24:57 GMT
This thread was far more entertaining when all you wokies were getting owned by Rossi last night 😉 🤗🤗
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Apr 12, 2023 21:35:22 GMT
I think I am not ready in any position able to say anything about the points you make about transgender people. It doesn’t impact me or my family or anyone I know (as far as I am aware), and I will leave it to experts to decide, and the people actually affected. What I hate is the use of it as an issue to distract from far bigger issues, like the junior doctor strike, which is what Sunak does. What defines a junior doctor and in what stratosphere does a 35% wage demand be considered normal? I don’t know, I’m asking Utterly ridiculous isn't it. Are we heading into referendum territory on some of our public services? In my world, if our clients pay for a service and we can't deliver that service, we don't get paid, the client gets their money back and people get fired - The same goes for pretty much any private sector organisation. Why is that not the same with our public services? It's not fair that ordinary Brits are being forced to pay additional sums for private health (often when they can't afford it) simply because they can't get access to the service they've been spending their whole life paying for - It's disgusting. Some of the demands we are seeing from our failing public sector are truly astounding. On what planet are these pay rise demands deemed "reasonable"?
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Apr 12, 2023 21:55:15 GMT
1.What defines a junior doctor 2. and in what stratosphere does a 35% wage demand be considered normal? I don’t know, I’m asking 1.A Doctor who has spent between 4-6 years in University and accumulated a huge debt Then spends a further 8-12 years before qualifying as a Consultant 2. In a stratosphere where your pay has been eroded through below inflation pay rises for 15 years And, where you have the opportunity to earn about 50% more in Australia or Canada. Germany and Netherlands also apply but not seemingly as attractive It's not all about pay the underfunding in NHS resulting in understaffing of Doctors with about 10,000 vacancies What about people who don't earn anywhere close to what doctors earn who also racked up 4 years of debt and have also had their salaries eroded by inflation? Like most of those who go to University? The vast majority of trainee doctors during those subsequent years are earning, in many cases above the average salary in their area and they receive all the perks and benefits that the majority of British employees receive. You make it sound like hardship. Why is a doctor more important than someone who opted to study Ancient History, French, Maths, Geography or dare I say it someone who didn't even have the luxury of going to University and started an apprenticeship at 16 on a building site and spends their life working incredibly diligently for not a fraction of a fully qualified doctor's salary? This obsession with deifying certain public sector roles is becoming somewhat comical.
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Post by lordb on Apr 12, 2023 21:59:48 GMT
1.A Doctor who has spent between 4-6 years in University and accumulated a huge debt Then spends a further 8-12 years before qualifying as a Consultant 2. In a stratosphere where your pay has been eroded through below inflation pay rises for 15 years And, where you have the opportunity to earn about 50% more in Australia or Canada. Germany and Netherlands also apply but not seemingly as attractive It's not all about pay the underfunding in NHS resulting in understaffing of Doctors with about 10,000 vacancies What about people who don't earn anywhere close to what doctors earn who also racked up 4 years of debt and have also had their salaries eroded by inflation? Like most of those who go to University? The vast majority of trainee doctors during those subsequent years are earning, in many cases above the average salary in their area and they receive all the perks and benefits that the majority of British employees receive. You make it sound like hardship. Why is a doctor more important than someone who opted to study Ancient History, French, Maths, Geography or dare I say it someone who didn't even have the luxury of going to University and started an apprenticeship at 16 on a building site and spends their life working incredibly diligently for not a fraction of a fully qualified doctor's salary? This obsession with deifying certain public sector roles is becoming somewhat comical. Because Doctors save lives Doctors are literally more important than all those examples having a shortage of doctors because we don't pay them enough is just stupid
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Post by wannabee on Apr 12, 2023 22:05:33 GMT
What defines a junior doctor and in what stratosphere does a 35% wage demand be considered normal? I don’t know, I’m asking A non-consultant. 35% is too high (but that isn’t actually what they are proposing across the board). But I bet there is a figure the government are willing to pay. Perhaps they should negotiate now, rather than allowing people to die and get iller and to suffer more by refusing to even speak and negotiate with the doctors. And then in a month deciding they will negotiate as we all know they will eventually. If the government offered 10% or 15% and it was rejected, I am sure many would start losing sympathy with the strikers. If Rishi makes a "Pledge" on which he has no control over achieving other than the restoration of funding which has been cut and which might help recruit the 10,000 Medical Vacancies within the NHS ( a significant reason for the Strike Action) When that "Pledge" inevitable fails it's useful to have an excuse to point to why the "Pledge" wasn't achieved. Cynically it may be why Heath Secretary Steve Barclay has refused to hold negotiating talks with the Junior Doctors Union
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Post by prestwichpotter on Apr 12, 2023 22:08:15 GMT
What about people who don't earn anywhere close to what doctors earn who also racked up 4 years of debt and have also had their salaries eroded by inflation? Like most of those who go to University? The vast majority of trainee doctors during those subsequent years are earning, in many cases above the average salary in their area and they receive all the perks and benefits that the majority of British employees receive. You make it sound like hardship. Why is a doctor more important than someone who opted to study Ancient History, French, Maths, Geography or dare I say it someone who didn't even have the luxury of going to University and started an apprenticeship at 16 on a building site and spends their life working incredibly diligently for not a fraction of a fully qualified doctor's salary? This obsession with deifying certain public sector roles is becoming somewhat comical. Because Doctors save lives Doctors are literally more important than all those examples having a shortage of doctors because we don't pay them enough is just stupid The fact that the majority work unsociable hours including weekends and nights just adds to the injustice of what junior doctors get paid as well……
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Apr 12, 2023 22:27:42 GMT
What about people who don't earn anywhere close to what doctors earn who also racked up 4 years of debt and have also had their salaries eroded by inflation? Like most of those who go to University? The vast majority of trainee doctors during those subsequent years are earning, in many cases above the average salary in their area and they receive all the perks and benefits that the majority of British employees receive. You make it sound like hardship. Why is a doctor more important than someone who opted to study Ancient History, French, Maths, Geography or dare I say it someone who didn't even have the luxury of going to University and started an apprenticeship at 16 on a building site and spends their life working incredibly diligently for not a fraction of a fully qualified doctor's salary? This obsession with deifying certain public sector roles is becoming somewhat comical. Because Doctors save lives Doctors are literally more important than all those examples having a shortage of doctors because we don't pay them enough is just stupid Do you not think that's a pretty overly simplistic way of viewing the way the world works? What about the IT engineers, translators, data analysts, aircraft engineers, carpenters and electricians? How would your world be without them? The idea that one profession is more important than all the rest is utterly absurd to me. Regarding pay - The average British doctor earns between £70,000 and £150,000 per annum excluding the many perks of the role. On what planet is that kind of money worthy of going on strike over? Of course there is going to be more money in that profession in certain parts of the world such as Switzerland or Luxembourg. In much the same way my profession pays more in Australia and parts of the US than it does here. That's nothing unique to being a doctor, that's life!! From my understanding, and shoot me down if I'm wrong, Britain frequently ranks in the world's top 15 (and in many reports, the top 10) for doctor's salaries. Why is anyone outraged by that?
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