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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Apr 11, 2023 18:44:14 GMT
I'll just go and count them on Instagram and come back to you later. The one that was eye wateringly bizarre recently was an article I saw on world renowned wokie Demi Lovato. She changed from being a women to non binary to something else to then claiming "I'm so fluid now". What does that even mean šš I take back some of my earlier post on fighting elections on culture wars. It would be a travesty if Conservatives didn't campaign on waging full scale war on woke. It needs to happen. āŗļø Does this mean you are fluid or perhaps even binary in your opinions? What kind of fluids are we talking about? š
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Post by prestwichpotter on Apr 11, 2023 18:45:00 GMT
But certain people respond very well to having an out-group to demonise, encouraged to do so by certain sections of the Press, and the more unhinged members of the government, like 30p Lee etc. Sadly, 'twas ever thus and, until people stop to ask themselves why they're so energised about something that will have zero impact on well over 99% of people's lives, while not being anywhere near as motivated to complain about the NHS, education standards, social care, environmental issues etc etc, the nastier side of this government and its client Press will continue to take advantage of these people's lack of critical thinking. 1) Why does every thought we have need to be lead by politics? Canāt it be just a talking point about a specific subject. We talk about all sorts of subjects that arenāt politically lead. Footy, mental health etc. Canāt it just be an individual opinion? 2) Other groups get demonised based on individuals and pushed by the press. Police being a good example. Iām sure thereās plenty pointing the finger around ācertain peopleā that would be the first to put the boot in on other groups in society. Another good example would be the royal family. They have next to no impact on most of us individually. Everyoneās guilty of it. The Police and The Royal Family, there's a couple of institutions people simply don't shout up in defence of often enough............
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Apr 11, 2023 18:47:28 GMT
Careful mate, you are running the risk of teaching Prestwich a thing or two about the safety of women, the dangers of sections of the trans movement and dare I say it, applying reason and common sense to one of his inevitably (and often disturbingly so) dumb questions. Yep because those small percentage of rogue men posing as transwomen are the real danger to women, not the tens of thousands of violent/misogynistic pricks that live amongst us. Keep shouting at the clouds.......... Why can't one call out dangers posed by sections of the trans movement while also condemning violent misogynist pricks. It is possible.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Apr 11, 2023 18:50:00 GMT
That'd be great if I was on twitter. Do you still have issues with people who work in supermarkets? Never have had, now back to you talking bollocks.. how many people are you talking about changing genders all the time? 25,412. They'd sell out the Bet365 on a cold Tuesday night at home to Rotherham.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 11, 2023 18:50:38 GMT
Yep because those small percentage of rogue men posing as transwomen are the real danger to women, not the tens of thousands of violent/misogynistic pricks that live amongst us. Keep shouting at the clouds.......... Why can't one call out dangers posed by sections of the trans movement while also condemning violent misogynist pricks. It is possible. No mate it isnāt. Like left wing woke politics generally you can only have one single train of thought at a time. Otherwise they become non political
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Post by yeswilko on Apr 11, 2023 18:51:59 GMT
1) Why does every thought we have need to be lead by politics? Canāt it be just a talking point about a specific subject. We talk about all sorts of subjects that arenāt politically lead. Footy, mental health etc. Canāt it just be an individual opinion? 2) Other groups get demonised based on individuals and pushed by the press. Police being a good example. Iām sure thereās plenty pointing the finger around ācertain peopleā that would be the first to put the boot in on other groups in society. Another good example would be the royal family. They have next to no impact on most of us individually. Everyoneās guilty of it. Party politics is everything with these guys Cobz. They live for it. Well, anti anything that is an inch right of centre left politics. A quick guide to being a die hard member of the (white) privileged Liberal left. - Anyone who questions the logic of lockdowns = far right anti vaxxer. - Anyone who claims women are born adult human females with vaginas = anti trans fascist. - Anyone who voted for Brexit = white racist. - Anyone who raises any kind of debate around climate change and questions whether the world is actually ending = apocalypse denying flat earther. And a fascist. - Anyone who thinks earning money and having a decent job is good = capitalist scum (he/she says while relentlessly hashtagging and capturing their latest soy Latte on insta on their Ā£1200 iPhone while living in a 500k apartment bought by mum and dad in Islington). - Anyone who thinks protecting one's borders from illegal immigrants is sensible = Nazi. - Anyone who thinks the NHS and our public services in general are inefficient, shouldn't be striking, are underperforming and in need of reform = how dare you! - Anyone who thinks de-colonising the curriculum and unconscious bias training of children (and adults) is a load of bollocks = old, white racist. That's almost as funny as your "the nazi's were really left wing" post, and the Liz Truss budget being brilliant post šš
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Post by prestwichpotter on Apr 11, 2023 18:53:25 GMT
Yep because those small percentage of rogue men posing as transwomen are the real danger to women, not the tens of thousands of violent/misogynistic pricks that live amongst us. Keep shouting at the clouds.......... Why can't one call out dangers posed by sections of the trans movement while also condemning violent misogynist pricks. It is possible. You can, but the original point was around how that very small section of society receive a disproportionate amount of negative coverage from those in the media and in politics who it suits to stoke up the culture war we're talking about. Like the Asian grooming gangs, and those that come over the Channel on small boats, and benefit cheats...........
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Post by prestwichpotter on Apr 11, 2023 18:54:06 GMT
Party politics is everything with these guys Cobz. They live for it. Well, anti anything that is an inch right of centre left politics. A quick guide to being a die hard member of the (white) privileged Liberal left. - Anyone who questions the logic of lockdowns = far right anti vaxxer. - Anyone who claims women are born adult human females with vaginas = anti trans fascist. - Anyone who voted for Brexit = white racist. - Anyone who raises any kind of debate around climate change and questions whether the world is actually ending = apocalypse denying flat earther. And a fascist. - Anyone who thinks earning money and having a decent job is good = capitalist scum (he/she says while relentlessly hashtagging and capturing their latest soy Latte on insta on their Ā£1200 iPhone while living in a 500k apartment bought by mum and dad in Islington). - Anyone who thinks protecting one's borders from illegal immigrants is sensible = Nazi. - Anyone who thinks the NHS and our public services in general are inefficient, shouldn't be striking, are underperforming and in need of reform = how dare you! - Anyone who thinks de-colonising the curriculum and unconscious bias training of children (and adults) is a load of bollocks = old, white racist. That's almost as funny as your "the nazi's were really left wing" post, and the Liz Truss budget being brilliant post šš I didn't realise Darren Grimes posted on The Oatcake to be honest........
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Apr 11, 2023 18:56:21 GMT
Why can't one call out dangers posed by sections of the trans movement while also condemning violent misogynist pricks. It is possible. You can, but the original point was around how that very small section of society receive a disproportionate amount of negative coverage from those in the media and in politics who it suits to stoke up the culture war we're talking about.Ā Like the Asian grooming gangs, and those that come over the Channel on small boats, and benefit cheats........... I think there's a debate to be had over it for sure. Personally I think illegal crossings, trans rapists and violent men (and violent women), be it physical or mental should all be called out in the media and in politics for the scum they are. Are they called out equally? Probably not but domestic violence in the UK is disgustingly under reported. Always has been and I've never understood why.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Apr 11, 2023 18:58:41 GMT
That's almost as funny as your "the nazi's were really left wing" post, and the Liz Truss budget being brilliant post šš I didn't realise Darren Grimes posted on The Oatcake to be honest........ Triggered. media.tenor.com/q9tYYcEphhoAAAAM/david-miller-vs.gif
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Post by yeswilko on Apr 11, 2023 19:01:33 GMT
That's almost as funny as your "the nazi's were really left wing" post, and the Liz Truss budget being brilliant post šš I didn't realise Darren Grimes posted on The Oatcake to be honest........ Steady pal, I've heard he's moved his PC into the basement in preparation for the woke war.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Apr 11, 2023 19:06:52 GMT
Party politics is everything with these guys Cobz. They live for it. Well, anti anything that is an inch right of centre left politics. A quick guide to being a die hard member of the (white) privileged Liberal left. - Anyone who questions the logic of lockdowns = far right anti vaxxer. - Anyone who claims women are born adult human females with vaginas = anti trans fascist. - Anyone who voted for Brexit = white racist. - Anyone who raises any kind of debate around climate change and questions whether the world is actually ending = apocalypse denying flat earther. And a fascist. - Anyone who thinks earning money and having a decent job is good = capitalist scum (he/she says while relentlessly hashtagging and capturing their latest soy Latte on insta on their Ā£1200 iPhone while living in a 500k apartment bought by mum and dad in Islington). - Anyone who thinks protecting one's borders from illegal immigrants is sensible = Nazi. - Anyone who thinks the NHS and our public services in general are inefficient, shouldn't be striking, are underperforming and in need of reform = how dare you! - Anyone who thinks de-colonising the curriculum and unconscious bias training of children (and adults) is a load of bollocks = old, white racist. That's almost as funny as your "the nazi's were really left wing" post, and the Liz Truss budget being brilliant post šš Blimey you're on form tonight mate, you've actually managed to string a sentence together! Posting relentless bile on here is at least improving your vocab range! Look on the bright side Wilko - We are only a couple of weeks away from the cricket season and you are living in Brexit Britain under a Conservative (admittedly fairly un-Conservative) government. What's not to like? Even Finland and Sweden have turned their back on wokery and Super Ron or Trump will be running the free world in 18 months.ā¤ļø You'll be throwing out at least 100 supermarket insults a day by the end of next year! Cheer up, get outside and get over your obsession with Tory bashing. It's unhealthy.
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Post by yeswilko on Apr 11, 2023 19:13:27 GMT
That's almost as funny as your "the nazi's were really left wing" post, and the Liz Truss budget being brilliant post šš Blimey you're on form tonight mate, you've actually managed to string a sentence together! Posting relentless bile on here is at least improving your vocab range! Look on the bright side Wilko - We are only a couple of weeks away from the cricket season and you are living in Brexit Britain under a Conservative (admittedly fairly un-Conservative) government. What's not to like? Even Finland and Sweden have turned their back on wokery and Super Ron or Trump will be running the free world in 18 months.ā¤ļø You'll be throwing out at least 100 supermarket insults a day by the end of next year! Cheer up, get outside and get over your obsession with Tory bashing. It's unhealthy. Relentless bile was your covid chat,and that's still going ffs. Now you've been reduced to talking bollocks about,erm, bollocks!
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Apr 11, 2023 19:15:51 GMT
But certain people respond very well to having an out-group to demonise, encouraged to do so by certain sections of the Press, and the more unhinged members of the government, like 30p Lee etc. Sadly, 'twas ever thus and, until people stop to ask themselves why they're so energised about something that will have zero impact on well over 99% of people's lives, while not being anywhere near as motivated to complain about the NHS, education standards, social care, environmental issues etc etc, the nastier side of this government and its client Press will continue to take advantage of these people's lack of critical thinking. 1) Why does every thought we have need to be lead by politics? Canāt it be just a talking point about a specific subject. We talk about all sorts of subjects that arenāt politically lead. Footy, mental health etc. Canāt it just be an individual opinion? 2) Other groups get demonised based on individuals and pushed by the press. Police being a good example. Iām sure thereās plenty pointing the finger around ācertain peopleā that would be the first to put the boot in on other groups in society. Another good example would be the royal family. They have next to no impact on most of us individually. Everyoneās guilty of it. Why are trans and woke issues suddenly such a hot topic for so many people, when they never used to be? Could it be that it benefits certain sections of the government to make sure that certain newspapers push and push this agenda until ordinary people become aware of it, taken in by it, obsessed by it, annoyed by the relentlessly negative coverage of it? I quite agree about the royal family. It'd be lovely if they were as equally ignored in terms of relative importance and impact on people's lives as the whole woke/trans nonsense should be. So, instead of days and days of wall to wall fawning deference when one of them dies, as much coverage as say any other well known person's passing. One day, that's it. And no need to have photos of them on the newspaper front pages several days a week. Seeing how you're led to certain ways of thinking yet?
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Post by Han Solo on Apr 11, 2023 19:24:34 GMT
1) Why does every thought we have need to be lead by politics? Canāt it be just a talking point about a specific subject. We talk about all sorts of subjects that arenāt politically lead. Footy, mental health etc. Canāt it just be an individual opinion? 2) Other groups get demonised based on individuals and pushed by the press. Police being a good example. Iām sure thereās plenty pointing the finger around ācertain peopleā that would be the first to put the boot in on other groups in society. Another good example would be the royal family. They have next to no impact on most of us individually. Everyoneās guilty of it. Party politics is everything with these guys Cobz. They live for it. Well, anti anything that is an inch right of centre left politics. A quick guide to being a die hard member of the (white) privileged Liberal left. - Anyone who questions the logic of lockdowns = far right anti vaxxer. - Anyone who claims women are born adult human females with vaginas = anti trans fascist. - Anyone who voted for Brexit = white racist. - Anyone who raises any kind of debate around climate change and questions whether the world is actually ending = apocalypse denying flat earther. And a fascist. - Anyone who thinks earning money and having a decent job is good = capitalist scum (he/she says while relentlessly hashtagging and capturing their latest soy Latte on insta on their Ā£1200 iPhone while living in a 500k apartment bought by mum and dad in Islington). - Anyone who thinks protecting one's borders from illegal immigrants is sensible = Nazi. - Anyone who thinks the NHS and our public services in general are inefficient, shouldn't be striking, are underperforming and in need of reform = how dare you! - Anyone who thinks de-colonising the curriculum and unconscious bias training of children (and adults) is a load of bollocks = old, white racist. Youāve left off that you must be right wing if you donāt use the word pr/:k or cu*t as it demonstrates passion.
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Post by yeswilko on Apr 11, 2023 19:37:41 GMT
Party politics is everything with these guys Cobz. They live for it. Well, anti anything that is an inch right of centre left politics. A quick guide to being a die hard member of the (white) privileged Liberal left. - Anyone who questions the logic of lockdowns = far right anti vaxxer. - Anyone who claims women are born adult human females with vaginas = anti trans fascist. - Anyone who voted for Brexit = white racist. - Anyone who raises any kind of debate around climate change and questions whether the world is actually ending = apocalypse denying flat earther. And a fascist. - Anyone who thinks earning money and having a decent job is good = capitalist scum (he/she says while relentlessly hashtagging and capturing their latest soy Latte on insta on their Ā£1200 iPhone while living in a 500k apartment bought by mum and dad in Islington). - Anyone who thinks protecting one's borders from illegal immigrants is sensible = Nazi. - Anyone who thinks the NHS and our public services in general are inefficient, shouldn't be striking, are underperforming and in need of reform = how dare you! - Anyone who thinks de-colonising the curriculum and unconscious bias training of children (and adults) is a load of bollocks = old, white racist. Youāve left off that you must be right wing if you donāt use the word pr/:k or cu*t as it demonstrates passion. I suppose you haven't noticed the vile language this guy uses about women like Greta Thunberg?
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 11, 2023 19:42:14 GMT
Youāve left off that you must be right wing if you donāt use the word pr/:k or cu*t as it demonstrates passion. I suppose you haven't noticed the vile language this guy uses about women like Greta Thunberg? Hit a nerve there clearly
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Post by wannabee on Apr 11, 2023 19:42:29 GMT
That's almost as funny as your "the nazi's were really left wing" post, and the Liz Truss budget being brilliant post šš I didn't realise Darren Grimes posted on The Oatcake to be honest........ Like Grimes well known for plagiarism but previous Bollocks from Peter Hitchens (Holocaust Denial and Hitler was a Lefty) and David Starkey take your pick. TERF was a Turning Point for those really dangerous Storytelling Drag Queens
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Post by Han Solo on Apr 11, 2023 19:43:04 GMT
Youāve left off that you must be right wing if you donāt use the word pr/:k or cu*t as it demonstrates passion. I suppose you haven't noticed the vile language this guy uses about women like Greta Thunberg? If Iām honest I havenāt was it the C or P bomb?
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Post by yeswilko on Apr 11, 2023 19:50:23 GMT
I suppose you haven't noticed the vile language this guy uses about women like Greta Thunberg? Hit a nerve there clearly Rossi is the c-bomb oatcake champion š
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 11, 2023 19:51:57 GMT
Hit a nerve there clearly Rossi is the c-bomb oatcake champion š And we all know what you are
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Post by yeswilko on Apr 11, 2023 19:55:44 GMT
Rossi is the c-bomb oatcake champion š And we all know what you are What's your problem here? Cobham doesn't like bad language and rossi has got a potty mouth.. it's all true and provable.
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Post by gawa on Apr 11, 2023 21:09:39 GMT
What do right wing people actually want done about trans people though? What reforms do you want?
What are the current Conservative government with their majority doing about the "trans issues" that labour wouldn't?
I've not read the last few pages but when I've read in the past the only thing I see coming up is "but can they define a woman".
So is that it? You want a certain definition for trans people? Or what do you want? And why are you confident that the tories will do what you need seeing as they haven't yet done it with their commons majoirty where they could easily pass any bill on trans they want? Does it not concern you that they've not yet actioned these problems they could very easily action?
Cobham? Bianca? Please explain because I don't know what it is you actually want done on trans issues? And whatever it is... Why haven't the tories done it in 13 years?
Obviously this appears to be a high priority issue for some of you. So I'm genuinely intrigued by the topic and excited for the debate.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 11, 2023 21:14:00 GMT
Finally some Tories having the bottle to stand up to Braverman's shameful rhetoric ...
The Conservative peer and former cabinet member spoke out after dozens of high-profile figures wrote to the PM demanding action over Ms Braverman's hateful rhetoric.
Baroness Warsi said: "I genuinely felt with the change in leadership withĀ Rishi SunakĀ becoming Prime Minister that we were going to return to some level of grown up politics. I just think the Home Secretary keeps dragging him back into the gutter."
Baroness Warsi said: "I think we need to make it clear that this isn't going to be our strategy for the next 18 months - racist rhetoric and rabble rousing."
"The alternative explanation is that this is a Home Secretary who is incapable of making policy based on evidence and doesn't have the skillset to communicate policies in a way which doesn't create these huge glaring misunderstandings in the way she seems to do so."
The Tory grandee continued: "It just disturbs me that first it was migrants, then it was asylum seekers, then it was British Pakistani males."
She said Ms Braverman's conduct is causing a lot of concern across the party, stating: "I've had lots of colleagues who are really disturbed by this."
"People who would consider themselves to be quite supportive traditionally ofĀ Suella BravermanĀ who are really disturbed by this and concerned about the impact this will have in their constituencies."
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Apr 11, 2023 22:04:52 GMT
What do right wing people actually want done about trans people though? What reforms do you want? What are the current Conservative government with their majority doing about the "trans issues" that labour wouldn't? I've not read the last few pages but when I've read in the past the only thing I see coming up is "but can they define a woman". So is that it? You want a certain definition for trans people? Or what do you want? And why are you confident that the tories will do what you need seeing as they haven't yet done it with their commons majoirty where they could easily pass any bill on trans they want? Does it not concern you that they've not yet actioned these problems they could very easily action? Cobham? Bianca? Please explain because I don't know what it is you actually want done on trans issues? And whatever it is... Why haven't the tories done it in 13 years? Obviously this appears to be a high priority issue for some of you. So I'm genuinely intrigued by the topic and excited for the debate. You make a very valid point re the Tories of the past 13 years. They've allowed wokery to thrive and have done bugger all to address the threats posed towards actual women by the trans community and hostile supporters of the trans community. There are countless things that can be done. For a start, scrap gender neutral toilets, sanction all companies mandating he/she/xi/zi pronouns in the workplace and start mandating that all NHS workers respectfully refer to women as women. The erasure and bizarre descriptive language being used towards women in the NHS has become increasingly concerning - With the sole purpose of appeasing a tiny minority of hostile supporters of the trans community. Surely these three perfectly reasonable changes can be implemented swiftly and would send a very clear signal that women are women and men are men. All the operations in the world do not change that. Should we have sympathy for those who feel deeply lost, sexually confused or that they were born in the wrong body? Of course. It is a tragic situation and they deserve varying levels of support. Should we change our language for them and defy Science? Absolutely not, in my opinion. Maybe we should have a referendum on the subject? Throw in a net zero referendum for good measure? I suspect the results would be emphatic. š
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Apr 11, 2023 22:08:39 GMT
What do right wing people actually want done about trans people though? What reforms do you want? What are the current Conservative government with their majority doing about the "trans issues" that labour wouldn't? I've not read the last few pages but when I've read in the past the only thing I see coming up is "but can they define a woman". So is that it? You want a certain definition for trans people? Or what do you want? And why are you confident that the tories will do what you need seeing as they haven't yet done it with their commons majoirty where they could easily pass any bill on trans they want? Does it not concern you that they've not yet actioned these problems they could very easily action? Cobham? Bianca? Please explain because I don't know what it is you actually want done on trans issues? And whatever it is... Why haven't the tories done it in 13 years? Obviously this appears to be a high priority issue for some of you. So I'm genuinely intrigued by the topic and excited for the debate. Btw Gawa, i admire your optimism and would love for it to live up to your "exciting debate" but I think that may be a stretch š Necessary, yes. Exciting? Probably not.
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Post by gawa on Apr 11, 2023 22:40:20 GMT
What do right wing people actually want done about trans people though? What reforms do you want? What are the current Conservative government with their majority doing about the "trans issues" that labour wouldn't? I've not read the last few pages but when I've read in the past the only thing I see coming up is "but can they define a woman". So is that it? You want a certain definition for trans people? Or what do you want? And why are you confident that the tories will do what you need seeing as they haven't yet done it with their commons majoirty where they could easily pass any bill on trans they want? Does it not concern you that they've not yet actioned these problems they could very easily action? Cobham? Bianca? Please explain because I don't know what it is you actually want done on trans issues? And whatever it is... Why haven't the tories done it in 13 years? Obviously this appears to be a high priority issue for some of you. So I'm genuinely intrigued by the topic and excited for the debate. You make a very valid point re the Tories of the past 13 years. They've allowed wokery to thrive and have done bugger all to address the threats posed towards actual women by the trans community and hostile supporters of the trans community. There are countless things that can be done. For a start, scrap gender neutral toilets, sanction all companies mandating he/she/xi/zi pronouns in the workplace and start mandating that all NHS workers respectfully refer to women as women. The erasure and bizarre descriptive language being used towards women in the NHS has become increasingly concerning - With the sole purpose of appeasing a tiny minority of hostile supporters of the trans community. Surely these three perfectly reasonable changes can be implemented swiftly and would send a very clear signal that women are women and men are men. All the operations in the world do not change that. Should we have sympathy for those who feel deeply lost, sexually confused or that they were born in the wrong body? Of course. It is a tragic situation and they deserve varying levels of support. Should we change our language for them and defy Science? Absolutely not, in my opinion. Maybe we should have a referendum on the subject? Throw in a net zero referendum for good measure? I suspect the results would be emphatic. š I've never seen a gender neutral toilet. Is this one that basically any sex can use? So a biological man and woman in same bathroom? Wouldn't personally bother me if removed. What about those who converted? So say a man who's had his willy chopped off and made into some bionic vagina and looks female. Do they use the mens or the women's? Or should disabled toilets or something accommodate such people? Whatever happens doesn't particularly bother me there personally. Don't get the whole he/she stuff either. What's wrong with a classic name badge and being called whatever is on it. Surely much easier for all. If someone wants to use it then fair play go ahead but it shouldn't be mandated or enforced on all. So what do you want? Woman/Man/TransMan/TransWoman for example which covers sort of all 4? And this is only from a NHS setting? So in non biological settings such a bank would you be OK with just man/woman? Or should all 4 be used in all settings? Again doesn't bother me either way and of course a trans person shouldn't be seen as just a woman in a nhs setting. I don't know enough about trans surgery but I presume most trans women still have a prostate? Something women don't have so they will need go be treated differently in instances. In my opinion I think certain media outlets try to make out if your left wing that you've got some sort of obsession with trans rights and pronouns. But I think alot of left wing people don't really have any strong opinions or thoughts on it. For me it's not a big priority at the minute. And if it is a Conservative priority then why aren't the addressing it is what I ask. We didn't have gender neutral toilets, pronoun obsessions or woman definition debates under the last labour government. So this is where I personally get confused because all this erupted under tory power and maybe not all of it but at least some of it could be addressed by them and hasn't been. As for labour though historically being more left. I can understand why this may concern you because if the tories have allowed all this to erupt then you'd assume the historically more "inclusive" left wing will allow it to get worse. Such as that stuff that happened in Scotland with the trans prisoner. These are just my own views. Maybe for other left wing people on the forum they see trans stuff as a top priority. But for me I just find other issues more concerning right now as they impact me more. Which I guess is maybe a selfish pov but yeh.
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Post by Han Solo on Apr 11, 2023 22:42:54 GMT
What do right wing people actually want done about trans people though? What reforms do you want? What are the current Conservative government with their majority doing about the "trans issues" that labour wouldn't? I've not read the last few pages but when I've read in the past the only thing I see coming up is "but can they define a woman". So is that it? You want a certain definition for trans people? Or what do you want? And why are you confident that the tories will do what you need seeing as they haven't yet done it with their commons majoirty where they could easily pass any bill on trans they want? Does it not concern you that they've not yet actioned these problems they could very easily action? Cobham? Bianca? Please explain because I don't know what it is you actually want done on trans issues? And whatever it is... Why haven't the tories done it in 13 years? Obviously this appears to be a high priority issue for some of you. So I'm genuinely intrigued by the topic and excited for the debate. Hi mate. Always up for a challenge. For what itās worth Iām not interested in the politics more about the ethics. - With the likes of toilets, changing rooms etc for pre op trans to have their own facilities. Females should not have to worry about pre op transgender females being in what is an intimate area whilst getting changed. (I donāt remember this being historically an issue. Correct me if Iām wrong but it all seems very recent / here and now). - For women's sport to remain female only. (contrary to what people keep saying this isnāt a 13 year problem or something that has a whole load of history unless someone would like to show me otherwise. Maybe you can show me some proof otherwise). Is this right? The way forwards? - For the very young to be allowed to grow up naturally without being told what they should or shouldnāt be in relation to there gender and for hormone treatment to never take place before the age of 18. What are your thoughts re these? m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=539450991680808&id=100068477350360and this
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Post by yeswilko on Apr 11, 2023 22:47:59 GMT
What do right wing people actually want done about trans people though? What reforms do you want? What are the current Conservative government with their majority doing about the "trans issues" that labour wouldn't? I've not read the last few pages but when I've read in the past the only thing I see coming up is "but can they define a woman". So is that it? You want a certain definition for trans people? Or what do you want? And why are you confident that the tories will do what you need seeing as they haven't yet done it with their commons majoirty where they could easily pass any bill on trans they want? Does it not concern you that they've not yet actioned these problems they could very easily action? Cobham? Bianca? Please explain because I don't know what it is you actually want done on trans issues? And whatever it is... Why haven't the tories done it in 13 years? Obviously this appears to be a high priority issue for some of you. So I'm genuinely intrigued by the topic and excited for the debate. Hi mate. Always up for a challenge. For what itās worth Iām not interested in the politics more about the ethics. - With the likes of toilets, changing rooms etc for pre op trans to have their own facilities. Females should not have to worry about pre op transgender females being in what is an intimate area whilst getting changed. (I donāt remember this being historically an issue. Correct me if Iām wrong but it all seems very recent / here and now). - For women's sport to remain female only. (contrary to what people keep saying this isnāt a 13 year problem or something that has a whole load of history unless someone would like to show me otherwise. Maybe you can show me some proof otherwise). Is this right? The way forwards? - For the very young to be allowed to grow up naturally without being told what they should or shouldnāt be in relation to there gender and for hormone treatment to never take place before the age of 18. What are your thoughts re these? m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=539450991680808&id=100068477350360and this Changing rooms in many places have been for whoever wants to use them for years. There didn't need to be a check if someone has a penis first.
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Post by gawa on Apr 11, 2023 22:51:08 GMT
What do right wing people actually want done about trans people though? What reforms do you want? What are the current Conservative government with their majority doing about the "trans issues" that labour wouldn't? I've not read the last few pages but when I've read in the past the only thing I see coming up is "but can they define a woman". So is that it? You want a certain definition for trans people? Or what do you want? And why are you confident that the tories will do what you need seeing as they haven't yet done it with their commons majoirty where they could easily pass any bill on trans they want? Does it not concern you that they've not yet actioned these problems they could very easily action? Cobham? Bianca? Please explain because I don't know what it is you actually want done on trans issues? And whatever it is... Why haven't the tories done it in 13 years? Obviously this appears to be a high priority issue for some of you. So I'm genuinely intrigued by the topic and excited for the debate. Btw Gawa, i admire your optimism and would love for it to live up to your "exciting debate" but I think that may be a stretch š Necessary, yes. Exciting? Probably not. I enjoy discussing the nitty gritty details tbh. I think finding common ground somewhere is the best way to get a solution. May not be the one which everyone wants but it's the only way to move forward from such issues. I know I consider myself a bit of a socialist/Marxist with some of my opinions and that I'm far ledf but there are certain things where I probably have more a right wing view too. Or one which would be considered right wing. One topic which has came up recently is gollywogs. Now personally I do think the man from that bar is maybe putting them all up to try and get a reaction more than anything. But. My aunty has a golliwog doll and she's in her 60s. Similarly my disabled neighbour that I help has a golliwog in her house too. In my opinion I don't see either as racist for owning one. Back in their day kids didn't get alot of presents and a golliwog to them was simply a toy/doll and innocent. Not something which they got because they were racist. And thus I don't see a problem with people from this generation keeping their golliwogs because it is a treasured item from their childhood. And I can see why it may upset some being called racist for simply owning something their parents or family bought them as young children. With the above said though I wouldn't buy a golliwog for a child today simply because of the racial connotations. But I'd love to get to a point at some stage where people can recognise that there can be a grey area on certain things and not everything is necessarily racist. I actually blackfaced at a bb display as a teenager for a Jackson 5 sketch. It wasn't done to take the piss or mock black people in anyway. It's just back then it wasn't seen as racist and it would be great to get to a point where there is more understanding on all sides and less labels.
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