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Post by wannabee on Mar 30, 2023 12:15:26 GMT
I think it’s naive to suggest the illegal immigrants would stop crossing the channel. People don’t need to direct their anger to stop protests on the streets, as a country we don’t really protest at day to day issues. But you accept that the numbers coming on boats would drop massively? EDIT: Apologies, I replied before seeing that Oggy had already made the same point. Paul there is no point in using logic on people who willingly/unwillingly accept the propaganda being reported by Mail/Express/Telegraph The word "illegal" is now also casually accepted de facto It should also follow that the reduced numbers might be at a level which the Home Office could actually process, it wouldn't, because this is a totally artificial crisis created purely as an Election issue. The cost of housing in Hotels is also being emphasised, but what is never mentioned is this is being paid for out of the Overseas Aid Budget thus reducing the ability to carry out programmes which might prevent people becoming an asylum seeker in the first place.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 30, 2023 12:19:03 GMT
Interesting thread here, looking into how the committee might vote based on this decision, please don't tell me he's going to get away with it? 🙄
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Mar 30, 2023 12:23:57 GMT
Interesting thread here, looking into how the committee might vote based on this decision, please don't tell me he's going to get away with it? 🙄 Hmmmm...let's hope not eh?
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Post by henry on Mar 30, 2023 13:41:49 GMT
Rise to state pension retirement aged postponed until after the next election, when it will be increased anyway.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Mar 30, 2023 15:02:38 GMT
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Post by gawa on Mar 30, 2023 15:40:13 GMT
Here's another one I've not really seen mentioned in public yet. Quite proud as I found the link myself but maybe others have also discovered the same... I've not really gone looking to see if anyone else noticed it. Anyways... One of the changes in the most recent budget which hasn't really been discussed was changing the classification of nuclear energy to green/sustainable meaning it now avails of tax cuts. And literally 2 days before the budget was announced to the public... This little gem was in the news: www.reuters.com/business/energy/edf-energy-extend-lifetime-two-uk-nuclear-plants-2023-03-09/And a few weeks prior to that there was this article about their profits soaring - www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-64647854.ampSeems to me that it doesn't matter If you're Russian, French or south Korean. If there's personal financial gain to be made then the tories are all ears. I have no doubt that we will soon find more nuclear contracts going EDF direction soon. A very very convenient change which has been hidden under the rug but one which will no doubt see EDFs profits soar further and we will be the ones footing the bill.
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Post by gawa on Mar 30, 2023 15:57:43 GMT
Rise to state pension retirement aged postponed until after the next election, when it will be increased anyway. Personally I think we should consider raiding it by 10 years for the next 2 decades before returning to where it is now. Why you may ask?: - Labour shortages since leaving the EU. We need older experienced heads back in work. - The economy is also struggling and thus getting more people back to work will help build the economy back up. - Ageing population. We have an old population and a NHS which can't cope and social care is struggling just as bad. Many studies show a coorelation between retirement and the start of poor health. It makes sense to keep people in work so they don't go into a sedetry lifestyle which will put more pressure on the health service. - Pensions aren't enough with the cost of living crisis putting older people into poverty. We have enough immigrants as it is and lazy people on the streets claiming benefits, we don't need more pensioners who were more interested in boozing than financially securing their retirement to be claiming benefits. They should be forced to work until they have enough savings to look after themselves. - And lastly brexit. We finally have control of our country and our laws again and the future is bright and exciting. While we have had an economic downturn as a result of brexit, what we need is older heads who are passionate about the countries sovereignty to lead by example and do 60 hour weeks to rebuild this country and get it back to its best. Make Britain great again. - I also believe any elderly people who require any form of home help or social care should sell their homes and be moved to old apartment blocks instead. These should be redesigned to also accommodate some nursing and care staff. Rather than wasting loads of time and money having carers driving all over different cities going home to home. This action would save the country loads of money and also give elderly people better more fastly available care. While also putting properties back onto the housing market. Unfortunately it's just a sign of the times of today and we all need to dig in and feel the pinch a bit if we're going to rebuild this country for our children and grandchildrens future. Personally I think all of the above are good suggestions which don't just target one issue but help with housing, health, social care and the economy. Plus alot of pensioners tend to get lonely so by getting them back into work or even doing work from home jobs, it will give them a bit more company. What we don't need though is more people claiming benefits and taking the piss out of the system. If you're a pensioner that can't afford to live with your current savings then you should either: 1. Get back to work. 2. Send them to Rwanda. I know some may say the above is a bit extreme. But why should we be paying out of our pockets for old people to slowly die while giving nothing back? We ain't a charity. Send them to Rwanda with the rest of the lazy benefits cheats.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 30, 2023 16:27:44 GMT
There has to be a "postcode lottery" when it comes to treatment on the NHS. Here under Plymouth NHS Trust over the last 14 years I’ve had 2 hip replacements and been treated for duodenal cancer which included timely surgery and chemotherapy. I’m still under surveillance and will have 2 more CT scans before I’m discharged. My Mrs is Type 1 diabetic and has been looked after exemplary over nearly 50 years and has always been given the latest in technology to help her to live more easily with the disease. My daughter suffered a horrific leg break after falling from a horse 8 years ago and had her knee rebuilt by Peninsular NHS Trust in Cornwall. Don’t get me wrong I’m not judging the whole NHS system by my own experiences but you can see why people might do so without looking at "the bigger picture". My own experiences recently haven't been bad at all once I've been able to get to see or speak to the Doctor, I booked a phone appointment recently for 3 weeks time with the musculoskeletal clinic and getting an x-ray was very easy. On the flip side I've found it a bit of a nightmare to get to see a Doctor, on the new Patch system thing all the appointments had gone in less than 12 minutes! None of this entitles me to make sweeping statements regarding the efficiency or otherwise of the NHS when faced with a public survey that clearly indicates deterioration under this government. Spot on. You always have to look at the bigger picture, preferably using independent, verifiable data rather than personal experience. Or if you don't want to, then apply the same criterion and don't make judgments about stuff that has had no material impact on you/no personal experience to at least adopt the same consistency of approach to all topics. So: "wokery", trans issues, small boats etc etc. I'd wager that none of the people who get most vexed about these things have been directly materially affected by them.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Mar 30, 2023 17:05:20 GMT
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Post by mrcoke on Mar 30, 2023 17:22:45 GMT
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Post by gawa on Mar 30, 2023 17:30:43 GMT
Do companies like EDF with soaring profits need more tax breaks as an incentive though? To me it just feels like more tax breaks for energy companies whose profits are soaring. Maybe it's a smart decision though if they're struggling to attract private investment or whatever. But no doubt it was influential in EDFs 180 on closing those plants which suggests to me the government has been discussing their budget with energy companies before releasing it. Pretty sure EDF is mostly owned by the French government/public too. I wonder if any of this was influential in these asylum deals with France. No doubt the French will be seeing millions coming their way as a result of it any way.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 30, 2023 17:39:43 GMT
For a party that say they're British, they don't half fucking seem to hate this country.
Wankers.
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Post by yeswilko on Mar 30, 2023 17:51:13 GMT
For a party that say they're British, they don't half fucking seem to hate this country. Wankers. It's not about nationality, it's about keeping wealth where it is, that's the entire point of them.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 30, 2023 17:53:15 GMT
For a party that say they're British, they don't half fucking seem to hate this country. Wankers. It's not about nationality, it's about keeping wealth where it is, that's the entire point of them. And in doing so showing complete contempt for the majority of the populous, the country's infrastructure, short and long term future and pretty much everything really. They really hate the nation.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Mar 30, 2023 18:00:24 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 30, 2023 18:05:00 GMT
It's not about nationality, it's about keeping wealth where it is, that's the entire point of them. And in doing so showing complete contempt for the majority of the populous, the country's infrastructure, short and long term future and pretty much everything really. They really hate the nation.
Mate they don't even think about the nation.
It's all about the four M's.
Money, more money and me.
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Post by wannabee on Mar 30, 2023 19:21:05 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Mar 30, 2023 20:20:25 GMT
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Post by henry on Mar 30, 2023 20:25:41 GMT
Rise to state pension retirement aged postponed until after the next election, when it will be increased anyway. Personally I think we should consider raiding it by 10 years for the next 2 decades before returning to where it is now. Why you may ask?: - Labour shortages since leaving the EU. We need older experienced heads back in work. - The economy is also struggling and thus getting more people back to work will help build the economy back up. - Ageing population. We have an old population and a NHS which can't cope and social care is struggling just as bad. Many studies show a coorelation between retirement and the start of poor health. It makes sense to keep people in work so they don't go into a sedetry lifestyle which will put more pressure on the health service. - Pensions aren't enough with the cost of living crisis putting older people into poverty. We have enough immigrants as it is and lazy people on the streets claiming benefits, we don't need more pensioners who were more interested in boozing than financially securing their retirement to be claiming benefits. They should be forced to work until they have enough savings to look after themselves. - And lastly brexit. We finally have control of our country and our laws again and the future is bright and exciting. While we have had an economic downturn as a result of brexit, what we need is older heads who are passionate about the countries sovereignty to lead by example and do 60 hour weeks to rebuild this country and get it back to its best. Make Britain great again. - I also believe any elderly people who require any form of home help or social care should sell their homes and be moved to old apartment blocks instead. These should be redesigned to also accommodate some nursing and care staff. Rather than wasting loads of time and money having carers driving all over different cities going home to home. This action would save the country loads of money and also give elderly people better more fastly available care. While also putting properties back onto the housing market. Unfortunately it's just a sign of the times of today and we all need to dig in and feel the pinch a bit if we're going to rebuild this country for our children and grandchildrens future. Personally I think all of the above are good suggestions which don't just target one issue but help with housing, health, social care and the economy. Plus alot of pensioners tend to get lonely so by getting them back into work or even doing work from home jobs, it will give them a bit more company. What we don't need though is more people claiming benefits and taking the piss out of the system. If you're a pensioner that can't afford to live with your current savings then you should either: 1. Get back to work. 2. Send them to Rwanda. I know some may say the above is a bit extreme. But why should we be paying out of our pockets for old people to slowly die while giving nothing back? We ain't a charity. Send them to Rwanda with the rest of the lazy benefits cheats. I assume that is "raising". If thats the case then you can't be working very hard now.
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Post by lordb on Mar 30, 2023 20:53:13 GMT
Rise to state pension retirement aged postponed until after the next election, when it will be increased anyway. Personally I think we should consider raiding it by 10 years for the next 2 decades before returning to where it is now. Why you may ask?: - Labour shortages since leaving the EU. We need older experienced heads back in work. - The economy is also struggling and thus getting more people back to work will help build the economy back up. - Ageing population. We have an old population and a NHS which can't cope and social care is struggling just as bad. Many studies show a coorelation between retirement and the start of poor health. It makes sense to keep people in work so they don't go into a sedetry lifestyle which will put more pressure on the health service. - Pensions aren't enough with the cost of living crisis putting older people into poverty. We have enough immigrants as it is and lazy people on the streets claiming benefits, we don't need more pensioners who were more interested in boozing than financially securing their retirement to be claiming benefits. They should be forced to work until they have enough savings to look after themselves. - And lastly brexit. We finally have control of our country and our laws again and the future is bright and exciting. While we have had an economic downturn as a result of brexit, what we need is older heads who are passionate about the countries sovereignty to lead by example and do 60 hour weeks to rebuild this country and get it back to its best. Make Britain great again. - I also believe any elderly people who require any form of home help or social care should sell their homes and be moved to old apartment blocks instead. These should be redesigned to also accommodate some nursing and care staff. Rather than wasting loads of time and money having carers driving all over different cities going home to home. This action would save the country loads of money and also give elderly people better more fastly available care. While also putting properties back onto the housing market. Unfortunately it's just a sign of the times of today and we all need to dig in and feel the pinch a bit if we're going to rebuild this country for our children and grandchildrens future. Personally I think all of the above are good suggestions which don't just target one issue but help with housing, health, social care and the economy. Plus alot of pensioners tend to get lonely so by getting them back into work or even doing work from home jobs, it will give them a bit more company. What we don't need though is more people claiming benefits and taking the piss out of the system. If you're a pensioner that can't afford to live with your current savings then you should either: 1. Get back to work. 2. Send them to Rwanda. I know some may say the above is a bit extreme. But why should we be paying out of our pockets for old people to slowly die while giving nothing back? We ain't a charity. Send them to Rwanda with the rest of the lazy benefits cheats. Surely enforced Euthanasia or a Port Vale season ticket for lazy old people who don't keep working till they drop dead is the way forward? Obviously not counting old people from the Home Counties or masons
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Post by gawa on Mar 30, 2023 22:13:46 GMT
Of you think that's bad... Check the comments.
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Post by mrcoke on Mar 30, 2023 22:54:45 GMT
Good of you to point out the the UK government was prosecuted for legislation not fit for purpose. The UK was the first major economy to pass a net zero emissions law in 2019, so that it would be held accountable. How many other countries have binding legislation to bring all greenhouse gas emissions to net zero by 2050? The UK government has made itself accountable to the courts to meet environmental targets, who is the EU Commission accountable to? I know you are aware that the EU Commission announced the new CAP as "pioneering proposals to restore damaged ecosystems and bring nature back across Europe" . You posted about it yourself. I posted that Greenpeace, the European Environmental Bureau, BirdLife, Friends of the Earth Europe, and the World Wide Fund For Nature described the new CAP as green washing. What didn't get a lot of press was that in July the European Commission agreed to delay new environmental rules of the CAP to increase the EU's grain production. www.spglobal.com/commodityinsights/en/ci/research-analysis/eu-commission-delays-new-cap-environmental-rules-to-boost-eu-g.htmlThe EU decision to keep some specific uses of natural gas in its taxonomy of sustainable sources of energy in some circumstances is bizarre. How can the use of natural gas be considered sustainable? It is hardly surprising that on the 8th March this year, a coalition of 25 environmental none governmental organizations urged the European Commission not to produce a Taxonomy Delegated Act on agriculture unless it closely follows the advice of its expert group, the Platform on Sustainable Finance. They believe that no Delegated Act would be better than one that greenwashes destructive practices. www.wwf.eu/?9262966/EU-Taxonomy-Better-no-Delegated-Act-than-a-greenwashed-one-NGOs-urge-Commission#:~:text=EU%20Taxonomy%3A%20Better%20no%20Delegated%20Act%20than%20a%20greenwashed%20one%20%7C%20WWF&text=Today%2C%20a%20coalition%20of%2025,the%20Platform%20on%20Sustainable%20Finance. I'm delighted we have left the EU and agree with the Environment Agency and the government and believe the British way is better. The UK is committing to phasing out coal power by 2024, double the use of renewables within 15 years, and to end the sale of new petrol- and diesel-powered vehicles by 2030. What other major economy can match that?
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Post by wannabee on Mar 30, 2023 23:07:07 GMT
Of you think that's bad... Check the comments. The decision of course is disgraceful but isn't it down to two factors unique to Northern Ireland 1.Most importantly There is no functioning Government because DUP refuse to form an Executive. Therefore by default Civil Servants are being forced to make decisions and they can not legally make Political decisions 2. Secondarily when a functioning Executive was in place they overspent the available Budget requiring these choices now (whether the Budget was sufficient is a different question) I suspect and this in itself is despicable is that NI Secretary Heaton-Harris is not going to step as it heaps pressure on DUP to end their boycott
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Post by wannabee on Mar 31, 2023 0:39:29 GMT
Good of you to point out the the UK government was prosecuted for legislation not fit for purpose. The UK was the first major economy to pass a net zero emissions law in 2019, so that it would be held accountable. How many other countries have binding legislation to bring all greenhouse gas emissions to net zero by 2050? The UK government has made itself accountable to the courts to meet environmental targets, who is the EU Commission accountable to? I know you are aware that the EU Commission announced the new CAP as "pioneering proposals to restore damaged ecosystems and bring nature back across Europe" . You posted about it yourself. I posted that Greenpeace, the European Environmental Bureau, BirdLife, Friends of the Earth Europe, and the World Wide Fund For Nature described the new CAP as green washing. What didn't get a lot of press was that in July the European Commission agreed to delay new environmental rules of the CAP to increase the EU's grain production. www.spglobal.com/commodityinsights/en/ci/research-analysis/eu-commission-delays-new-cap-environmental-rules-to-boost-eu-g.htmlThe EU decision to keep some specific uses of natural gas in its taxonomy of sustainable sources of energy in some circumstances is bizarre. How can the use of natural gas be considered sustainable? It is hardly surprising that on the 8th March this year, a coalition of 25 environmental none governmental organizations urged the European Commission not to produce a Taxonomy Delegated Act on agriculture unless it closely follows the advice of its expert group, the Platform on Sustainable Finance. They believe that no Delegated Act would be better than one that greenwashes destructive practices. www.wwf.eu/?9262966/EU-Taxonomy-Better-no-Delegated-Act-than-a-greenwashed-one-NGOs-urge-Commission#:~:text=EU%20Taxonomy%3A%20Better%20no%20Delegated%20Act%20than%20a%20greenwashed%20one%20%7C%20WWF&text=Today%2C%20a%20coalition%20of%2025,the%20Platform%20on%20Sustainable%20Finance. I'm delighted we have left the EU and agree with the Environment Agency and the government and believe the British way is better. The UK is committing to phasing out coal power by 2024, double the use of renewables within 15 years, and to end the sale of new petrol- and diesel-powered vehicles by 2030. What other major economy can match that? I didn't say that UK was prosecuted because its Net Zero Legislation wasn't fit for purpose, but the plans to achieve Net Zero were not fit for purpose as was found to be the case in UK High Court. Amongst other countries France, Germany, Spain, Denmark, Portugal, Sweden, Austria, Finland, have all enshrined Net Zero in Legislation as well as EU Commission which makes is compulsory in all EU Countries ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_20_335As per usual this UK Administration talks a good game but consistently fails to deliver. In the vernacular "All mouth and no trousers" You have an irrational hatred of CAP/EU I suppose everyone needs a hobby. The CAP replacement ELMS has gone through so many iterations in its short life its difficult to know where its at. Carbon Briefs recent review finds it difficult to see any difference between CAP and ELMS and that's just for England as Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are doing their own thing pretty much exactly based on CAP www.carbonbrief.org/qa-will-the-uks-new-farm-payments-cut-emissions-and-help-nature/Wars like Global Epidemics have a tendency to make Governments make short term adjustments to its Policies The EU Taxonomy Declaration to allow incentives for Neuclear and Natural Gas TO REPLACE Coal or Oil Power Installations is far from bizarre in a transition. Now what is bizarre is UK Governments decision to open the first Coal Mine in 30 years in Cumbria with Coal that can't be used in UK and won't be used in EU I'm surprised your delighted that UK has effectively taken itself out of the Race to provide Innovative Green Technology Solutions by not providing incentives similar to US and EU. All it will mean as the article I linked said is UK Green Technology Companies will simply relocate to US or EU. Well as long as your delighted P.S. How's that TPP Sovereignty going for you?
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Post by werrington on Mar 31, 2023 6:57:26 GMT
This tweet wraps it all up in a nutshell
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Mar 31, 2023 7:32:16 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Mar 31, 2023 7:32:59 GMT
This tweet wraps it all up in a nutshell I find that advert heartbreaking. Every time I watch it.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Mar 31, 2023 8:40:40 GMT
Holy crap!!
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Mar 31, 2023 10:34:09 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Mar 31, 2023 20:50:23 GMT
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