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Post by oggyoggy on Mar 22, 2023 17:39:21 GMT
Well the hearing’s finished now and the Committee hardly laid a glove on him. He’ll be well pleased with the way that went. I mean, any other person on earth in his position doing what he did definitely knowingly misled Parliament. He didn’t though. He didn’t know the rules applied to him, so didn’t mislead Parliament when he said no rules were broken. In his privileged world that goes on in his head, he can do no wrong. He can tell no lie. What an astonishing narcissist. No shame whatsoever.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Mar 22, 2023 17:41:17 GMT
Well the hearing’s finished now and the Committee hardly laid a glove on him. He’ll be well pleased with the way that went. I mean, any other person on earth in his position doing what he did definitely knowingly misled Parliament. He didn’t though. He didn’t know the rules applied to him, so didn’t mislead Parliament when he said no rules were broken. In his privileged world that goes on in his head, he can do no wrong. He can tell no lie. What an astonishing narcissist. No shame whatsoever. Your last sentence there. I’ve no idea how, from Chesters post, you can describe him as such a person.
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Post by oggyoggy on Mar 22, 2023 17:41:44 GMT
Johnson’s failure to immediately correct the record is really damning. He finally admitted (yesterday) that he accidentally misled Parliament. Should he appear before the commons immediately to apologise and correct what he previously said then?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 22, 2023 17:42:22 GMT
With respect, how can you come up with your final conclusion, when the hearing hasn't even finished? You're essentially saying that the hearing shouldn't be taking place because you don't believe it's possible that he can be found guilty. Well I don’t think they can fairly find him guilty on the remit of the inquiry Unless they have the evidence of him previously admitting that he thought the law and guidelines were were being broken before his parliamentary statements And if they had such they would have to declare it to the defence I also found it strange they didn’t allow his dozen of so witnesses to appear and will take there statements latter I just feel there going for him on the wrong subject there’s many other things they could nail his balls to the mast with The whole thing smacks of he’s lied before he’s lied then If that approach is used than all criminals are guilty every time they appear in court I want to see Johnson’s political career finished but I want it beyond doubt and no wriggle room To be fair, there was an overwhelming number of MP's who voted for the inquiry to take place. I think that the major area where Johnson struggled this afternoon (and could be what takes him down), was that when he was asked, who reassured him that the guidance was followed at all times, he couldn't come up with a credible answer. And that goes to the very heart of whether he mislead the house.
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Post by oggyoggy on Mar 22, 2023 17:42:48 GMT
I mean, any other person on earth in his position doing what he did definitely knowingly misled Parliament. He didn’t though. He didn’t know the rules applied to him, so didn’t mislead Parliament when he said no rules were broken. In his privileged world that goes on in his head, he can do no wrong. He can tell no lie. What an astonishing narcissist. No shame whatsoever. Your last sentence there. I’ve no idea how, from Chesters post, you can describe him as such a person. It is just a general comment about Johnson. Imagine having that level of self worth and self belief! He will do and say anything. He is a pathological liar.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Mar 22, 2023 17:44:07 GMT
Your last sentence there. I’ve no idea how, from Chesters post, you can describe him as such a person. It is just a general comment about Johnson. Imagine having that level of self worth and self belief! He will do and say anything. He is a pathological liar. Oh Johnson you say, carry on
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Post by ChesterStokie on Mar 22, 2023 17:49:38 GMT
Well the hearing’s finished now and the Committee hardly laid a glove on him. He’ll be well pleased with the way that went. Obviously your personal opinion there CS, rather than that of political commentators currently disecting it. Out of interest, did you watch it all? Yes, unfortunately for me I did watch it all. I really thought they would have him floundering all over the place, but I thought the Committee's questioning of him was really weak. To put it bluntly, I thought they'd 'get him' but they never did.
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Post by wagsastokie on Mar 22, 2023 17:52:15 GMT
Well I don’t think they can fairly find him guilty on the remit of the inquiry Unless they have the evidence of him previously admitting that he thought the law and guidelines were were being broken before his parliamentary statements And if they had such they would have to declare it to the defence I also found it strange they didn’t allow his dozen of so witnesses to appear and will take there statements latter I just feel there going for him on the wrong subject there’s many other things they could nail his balls to the mast with The whole thing smacks of he’s lied before he’s lied then If that approach is used than all criminals are guilty every time they appear in court I want to see Johnson’s political career finished but I want it beyond doubt and no wriggle room To be fair, there was an overwhelming number of MP's who voted for the inquiry to take place. I think that the major area where Johnson struggled this afternoon (and could be what takes him down), was that when he was asked, who reassured him that the guidance was followed at all times, he couldn't come up with a credible answer. And that goes to the very heart of whether he mislead the house. I would imagine the who reassured him will rest with the dozen or so statements he’s going to introduce If they find him guilty of recklessly misleading parliament fair enough I just want the evidence to be beyond doubt Not convict him because they want to
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 22, 2023 17:59:25 GMT
Obviously your personal opinion there CS, rather than that of political commentators currently disecting it. Out of interest, did you watch it all? Yes, unfortunately for me I did watch it all. I really thought they would have him floundering all over the place, but I thought the Committee's questioning of him was really weak. To put it bluntly, I thought they'd 'get him' but they never did. Tory journo, there are plenty of others with similar opinions but I'm not going to spam the thread ...
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Post by yeswilko on Mar 22, 2023 18:01:31 GMT
Quite funny last night when checking the last time this Cobham thing came up,it was YOU bringing it up on a thread called " what is a woman" which is a pisser for several reasons. Neither Cobham or myself were involved in the thread. Rent free indeed 😂 I've told you this before, to me you're little more than a troublesome fly who keeps getting swatted and sadly reappearing on my arm because it's too stupid to know where the window is All good stuff Voidy, maybe you're just more comfortable on the "what is a woman type threads" with your interests. Leave the politics to the adults if you cant keep on topic, good lad.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 22, 2023 18:05:04 GMT
To be fair, there was an overwhelming number of MP's who voted for the inquiry to take place. I think that the major area where Johnson struggled this afternoon (and could be what takes him down), was that when he was asked, who reassured him that the guidance was followed at all times, he couldn't come up with a credible answer. And that goes to the very heart of whether he mislead the house. I would imagine the who reassured him will rest with the dozen or so statements he’s going to introduce No they don't (I thought you watched it), they were communications members of staff and not civil servants or even lawyers, who questioned the assertion that the rules had in fact been followed at all times.
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Post by sticky on Mar 22, 2023 18:12:34 GMT
Il leave the analysis to you boys..I haven’t seen it, but I’m sick to bastard death of hearing his name. Why doesn’t he do us all a favour and quit politics. Anyone with half a brain cell knows what he’s like..
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Mar 22, 2023 18:16:08 GMT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Mar 22, 2023 18:17:42 GMT
Il leave the analysis to you boys..I haven’t seen it, but I’m sick to bastard death of hearing his name. Why doesn’t he do us all a favour and quit politics. Anyone with half a brain cell knows what he’s like.. I won’t have you talking about Huddy like that!
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Mar 22, 2023 18:18:51 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 22, 2023 18:26:00 GMT
I think this is a pretty reasonable and fair summary of the four hours in four minutes ...
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Post by wagsastokie on Mar 22, 2023 18:33:17 GMT
I would imagine the who reassured him will rest with the dozen or so statements he’s going to introduce No they don't (I thought you watched it), they were communications members of staff and not civil servants or even lawyers, who questioned the assertion that the rules had in fact been followed at all times. Right at the very start of his statement Johnson questioned why he wasn’t allowed to introduce statements in his defence from a certain amount of people Harman said she wouldn’t take them at this moment to allow the said people to decide if they still wish to stand by there statements to the partygate probe But would of course except them at a later date if Johnson still wanted to submit them Which he indicated he will It is purely my opinion these mentioned people will be those who reassured him or witnessed him being reassured Though I may be totally wrong which won’t be the first or last time I’m sure time will tell and there judgment will be given We almost certainly want the same overall result the ending of his political career I just don’t believe this attempt is watertight enough
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Post by PotteringThrough on Mar 22, 2023 18:38:42 GMT
Amazing - the whole defence is that the people in number 10 didn't know what the rules that they made, were Unfortunately it was they who knew rules and everyone else was wrong…
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 22, 2023 18:45:15 GMT
No they don't (I thought you watched it), they were communications members of staff and not civil servants or even lawyers, who questioned the assertion that the rules had in fact been followed at all times. Right at the very start of his statement Johnson questioned why he wasn’t allowed to introduce statements in his defence from a certain amount of people Harman said she wouldn’t take them at this moment to allow the said people to decide if they still wish to stand by there statements to the partygate probe But would of course except them at a later date if Johnson still wanted to submit them Which he indicated he will It is purely my opinion these mentioned people will be those who reassured him or witnessed him being reassured Though I may be totally wrong which won’t be the first or last time I’m sure time will tell and there judgment will be given We almost certainly want the same overall result the ending of his political career I just don’t believe this attempt is watertight enough You're basing your belief on absolutely nothing though. Johnson told the committee TODAY who those people were (it's not up for debate) and it has come as a shock to the committee and numerous political commentators, that Johnson thought he could get away with using such weak sources to support his claim to the House. I've got the news on and Tim Montgomerie (founder of Conservative Home) is on right now suggesting that Johnson is in very deep trouble (his words) on this very point.
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Post by ChesterStokie on Mar 22, 2023 18:51:18 GMT
I think this is a pretty reasonable and fair summary of the four hours in four minutes ... Yes I agree a fair summary. Grilled for 4 hours and there were only a couple of awkward moments for him. And of course the Committee are ‘unconvinced’ by his arguments. It’s blindingly obvious to anyone he turned a blind eye to the gatherings. Like I said before, they hardly laid a glove on him.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 22, 2023 18:55:05 GMT
I think this is a pretty reasonable and fair summary of the four hours in four minutes ... Like I said before, they hardly laid a glove in him. There's a lot of political commentators out there who would absolutely disagree with you but fair do's, if that's your opinion.
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Post by yeswilko on Mar 22, 2023 18:55:34 GMT
Your last sentence there. I’ve no idea how, from Chesters post, you can describe him as such a person. It is just a general comment about Johnson. Imagine having that level of self worth and self belief! He will do and say anything. He is a pathological liar. This whole thing with Johnson and the parties is like when your kid goes into the kitchen, you hear some banging and rustling around and after a few minutes you go in there and they have a chocolate covered face or crisps or whatever all over the place, an empty wrapper on the floor and you're like "have you just helped yourself to a snack?" And they're like "no.. no I just came in to get a glass of water, maybe someone else did it earlier". Everyone knows, he knows.. it's just pure lies.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Mar 22, 2023 18:59:35 GMT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Mar 22, 2023 19:00:40 GMT
It is just a general comment about Johnson. Imagine having that level of self worth and self belief! He will do and say anything. He is a pathological liar. This whole thing with Johnson and the parties is like when your kid goes into the kitchen, you hear some banging and rustling around and after a few minutes you go in there and they have a chocolate covered face or crisps or whatever all over the place, an empty wrapper on the floor and you're like "have you just helped yourself to a snack?" And they're like "no.. no I just came in to get a glass of water, maybe someone else did it earlier". Everyone knows, he knows.. it's just pure lies. Is it not all subjective though without a great deal of concrete “evidence”? Don’t get me wrong I just want him to face what we all think he deserves and just leaves the public domain. But it all seemed rather soft on him I thought
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Post by wagsastokie on Mar 22, 2023 19:03:09 GMT
Right at the very start of his statement Johnson questioned why he wasn’t allowed to introduce statements in his defence from a certain amount of people Harman said she wouldn’t take them at this moment to allow the said people to decide if they still wish to stand by there statements to the partygate probe But would of course except them at a later date if Johnson still wanted to submit them Which he indicated he will It is purely my opinion these mentioned people will be those who reassured him or witnessed him being reassured Though I may be totally wrong which won’t be the first or last time I’m sure time will tell and there judgment will be given We almost certainly want the same overall result the ending of his political career I just don’t believe this attempt is watertight enough You're basing your belief on absolutely nothing though. Johnson told the committee TODAY who those people were (it's not up for debate) and it has come as a shock to the committee and numerous political commentators, that Johnson thought he could get away with using such weak sources to support his claim to the House. I've got the news on and Tim Montgomerie (founder of Conservative Home) is on right now suggesting that Johnson is in very deep trouble (his words) on this very point. He may well be in deep trouble And yes I’m basing my judgement on what may well turn out to be nothing But as I’ve stated from the start it’s based on my judgement which I can guarantee is not flawless It’s all about opinions With me the presumption of guilt just sticks in the craw Of course I shall accept the verdict as should everyone as I’ve said several times time will tell I shall leave the subject alone for now
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Post by toppercorner on Mar 22, 2023 19:06:18 GMT
No doubt, done on purpose. A public warning to whistleblowers.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Mar 22, 2023 19:09:50 GMT
No doubt, done on purpose. A public warning to whistleblowers. I believe he said “a slip of the tongue there”🤣
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 22, 2023 19:10:10 GMT
That's his £5,000 an hour (paid by us) KC. Had a close eye on him throughout, you could tell he knew the game was up.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 22, 2023 19:11:41 GMT
No doubt, done on purpose. A public warning to whistleblowers. Absolutely despicable.
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Post by yeswilko on Mar 22, 2023 19:15:09 GMT
This whole thing with Johnson and the parties is like when your kid goes into the kitchen, you hear some banging and rustling around and after a few minutes you go in there and they have a chocolate covered face or crisps or whatever all over the place, an empty wrapper on the floor and you're like "have you just helped yourself to a snack?" And they're like "no.. no I just came in to get a glass of water, maybe someone else did it earlier". Everyone knows, he knows.. it's just pure lies. Is it not all subjective though without a great deal of concrete “evidence”? Don’t get me wrong I just want him to face what we all think he deserves and just leaves the public domain. But it all seemed rather soft on him I thought Oh god yeah, the bloke needs to leave us all alone pronto.
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