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Post by oggyoggy on Mar 22, 2023 14:40:11 GMT
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Post by PotteringThrough on Mar 22, 2023 14:47:41 GMT
If he’s going down he’s taking everyone with him. Particularly the current prime minister.
Unfortunately I don’t think there will be any repercussions, or at least none to a serious level.
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Post by slash on Mar 22, 2023 14:52:37 GMT
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Mar 22, 2023 14:57:58 GMT
The electric forcefield could be the new protective ring.
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Mar 22, 2023 15:08:25 GMT
Just off to an essential goodbye party. See you in a bit.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 22, 2023 15:08:30 GMT
Very first question and Jenkins is wiping the floor with him, as the afternoon goes on, I can see Johnson getting more and more frustrated.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 22, 2023 15:10:57 GMT
Just off to an essential goodbye party. See you in a bit.
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Post by gawa on Mar 22, 2023 15:11:25 GMT
Did the lib dems get it right on student finance in your opinion? Absolutely. They wanted to abolish tuition fees altogether. Had they got a majority in 2010, tuition fees would have been abolished. They completely ruined their position whilst part of the coalition though and they have made a monumental price for it. That folly is almost irrelevant compared the Iraq war, or brexit, or failing to mitigate for the impending financial crash, or ignoring covid PPE fraud, or recent sleaze and corruption, or lack of support of public services for the last decade, or wage stagnation etc etc etc etc etc. Your first 2 paragraphs are contradictory. Here I actually quite like the Lib Dems on some subjects they've been spot on for a long time. Drug reform being one of them. Wasn't a fan of their plans to protect home owners due to rising mortgage rates though. Of course that is a very selfish opinion with me not being a home owner and many may think differently. But I feel when people are paying alot more renting and that alot of those renting suffered from theirs (and the tories) student loan increases too. So it made me bitter. Why protect home owners and not those being screwed over by home owners where renting privately?
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Post by PotteringThrough on Mar 22, 2023 15:21:30 GMT
Very first question and Jenkins is wiping the floor with him, as the afternoon goes on, I can see Johnson getting more and more frustrated. Why is he allowed to keep interrupting? I think if they call him on it and put him in his place he might get even more flustered and frustrated. Jenkins nailed him with the podium question, at least he seemed to have before another repetition of “something something mitigation” Imperfect Social Distancing isn’t Social Distancing
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Post by yeswilko on Mar 22, 2023 15:29:29 GMT
You often comment on me, yet keep incredibly silent when Voidy, badger etc provoke endlessly. Bit weird that is from you. On another thread Void literally said he's not interested in replying to the topic of the thread, just purely to wind up, and it just passes you by... brilliant I've not been on the GDB much lately so just having a mooch. Let's have it straight here - my comment on the other thread was aimed at you and you alone. I'm more than happy to have a reasonable conversation with someone I disagree with, but the bulk of your posts (to myself and others) are a disgrace. If I give you shit it's because of comments you've made to me previously. And you can't blame me because you've apparently made another exhibition of yourself last night and I wasn't even present (despite you name-checking me on several occasions. As I say, rent free) I also find it odd that you apparently don't post on the Stoke side of this forum because the Pulis debate was too much for you (he isn't even here anymore) but you'll post on the GDB where it's even more heated- and you're hardly the shrinking violet type fella Quite funny last night when checking the last time this Cobham thing came up,it was YOU bringing it up on a thread called " what is a woman" which is a pisser for several reasons. Neither Cobham or myself were involved in the thread. Rent free indeed 😂
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 22, 2023 15:31:03 GMT
Very first question and Jenkins is wiping the floor with him, as the afternoon goes on, I can see Johnson getting more and more frustrated. Why is he allowed to keep interrupting? I think if they call him on it and put him in his place he might get even more flustered and frustrated. Jenkins nailed him with the podium question, at least he seemed to have before another repetition of “something something mitigation” Imperfect Social Distancing isn’t Social Distancing I think Jenkins' calm demeanour is really getting to Johnson and Jenkins has decided he's just going to let Johnson hang himself with his interruptions, he's getting more and more frustrated as the afternoon progresses. I don't think we've seen anything yet either, it's going to get much tougher for him.
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Post by wagsastokie on Mar 22, 2023 15:36:53 GMT
Are the 31 % of those that achieved a degree any less educated because they voted leave Or did they just have a different view point
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Post by oggyoggy on Mar 22, 2023 15:41:59 GMT
Absolutely. They wanted to abolish tuition fees altogether. Had they got a majority in 2010, tuition fees would have been abolished. They completely ruined their position whilst part of the coalition though and they have made a monumental price for it. That folly is almost irrelevant compared the Iraq war, or brexit, or failing to mitigate for the impending financial crash, or ignoring covid PPE fraud, or recent sleaze and corruption, or lack of support of public services for the last decade, or wage stagnation etc etc etc etc etc. Your first 2 paragraphs are contradictory. Here I actually quite like the Lib Dems on some subjects they've been spot on for a long time. Drug reform being one of them. Wasn't a fan of their plans to protect home owners due to rising mortgage rates though. Of course that is a very selfish opinion with me not being a home owner and many may think differently. But I feel when people are paying alot more renting and that alot of those renting suffered from theirs (and the tories) student loan increases too. So it made me bitter. Why protect home owners and not those being screwed over by home owners where renting privately? The lib dems had the best position of the 3 main parties on tuition fees pre 2010 election. They then sold their position on it to not bring down the government. But they were backing a tory policy on tuition fees. It wasn’t their preferred position but they didn’t have power to do what they wanted. Like I said, a majority lib dem government in 2010 would have meant no tuition fees. A majority tory government would have brought in the same policy regardless of lib dem opposition to it. The tories are more to blame for tuition fees than the lib dems. As are labour who introduced them. On your other point, I doubt their position would have been to protect only home owners and ignore renters. But I can’t really say more than that.
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Post by oggyoggy on Mar 22, 2023 15:47:08 GMT
Are the 31 % of those that achieved a degree any less educated because they voted leave Or did they just have a different view point They aren’t less educated because they voted leave. Nobody has said that. Generally speaking, the more educated an individual was, the more likely they were to vote remain. Education levels was the single best characteristic to determine votes on brexit. Therefore, had more people been educated to a higher level, it is likely we would have voted to remain rather than to leave.
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Post by gawa on Mar 22, 2023 15:53:46 GMT
Your first 2 paragraphs are contradictory. Here I actually quite like the Lib Dems on some subjects they've been spot on for a long time. Drug reform being one of them. Wasn't a fan of their plans to protect home owners due to rising mortgage rates though. Of course that is a very selfish opinion with me not being a home owner and many may think differently. But I feel when people are paying alot more renting and that alot of those renting suffered from theirs (and the tories) student loan increases too. So it made me bitter. Why protect home owners and not those being screwed over by home owners where renting privately? The lib dems had the best position of the 3 main parties on tuition fees pre 2010 election. They then sold their position on it to not bring down the government. But they were backing a tory policy on tuition fees. It wasn’t their preferred position but they didn’t have power to do what they wanted. Like I said, a majority lib dem government in 2010 would have meant no tuition fees. A majority tory government would have brought in the same policy regardless of lib dem opposition to it. The tories are more to blame for tuition fees than the lib dems. As are labour who introduced them. On your other point, I doubt their position would have been to protect only home owners and ignore renters. But I can’t really say more than that. For what it's worth I think most people if offered a lib dem majority tomorrow would take it. I'd gladly have a lib dem majority right now tbh.
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Post by foster on Mar 22, 2023 15:53:52 GMT
Are the 31 % of those that achieved a degree any less educated because they voted leave Or did they just have a different view point They aren’t less educated because they voted leave. Nobody has said that. Generally speaking, the more educated an individual was, the more likely they were to vote remain. Education levels was the single best characteristic to determine votes on brexit. Therefore, had more people been educated to a higher level, it is likely we would have voted to remain rather than to leave. Fair enough, but a degree in drama vs 30 years of life experience, paying taxes, bills and utilising public services. I know which may be better placed to make a judgement call. Saying that, i'm educated (surprisingly) and have life experience. Which i guess puts me in the ultimate voter bracket.
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Post by wagsastokie on Mar 22, 2023 16:01:14 GMT
Why is he allowed to keep interrupting? I think if they call him on it and put him in his place he might get even more flustered and frustrated. Jenkins nailed him with the podium question, at least he seemed to have before another repetition of “something something mitigation” Imperfect Social Distancing isn’t Social Distancing I think Jenkins' calm demeanour is really getting to Johnson and Jenkins has decided he's just going to let Johnson hang himself with his interruptions, he's getting more and more frustrated as the afternoon progresses. I don't think we've seen anything yet either, it's going to get much tougher for him. Having watched it so far I can not see how they can find him guilty Unless of course there is a smoking gun somewhere where he has admitted in writing or on video that he believed rules were being broken Which they would of had to have shown to his defence prior to this hearing Is he a bumbling blustering incompetent unfit to run the country yes Do I think his interpretation of the rules was to liberally applied yes But how do you fairly interpret someone’s mind at the time of the statements without any hard evidence to the contrary Many times people have said stuff they believed and then found those things later to be untrue I can honestly believe because they way he managed his mayor of London set up he’s short on details heavy on alleged deliveries His heavy reliance on advisors rather than putting the hard yards leaving him exposed to the fact advisers tend to give there boss the answers he wanted Incompetent most certainly recklessly mislead parliament unprovable
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Post by thevoid on Mar 22, 2023 16:22:00 GMT
I've not been on the GDB much lately so just having a mooch. Let's have it straight here - my comment on the other thread was aimed at you and you alone. I'm more than happy to have a reasonable conversation with someone I disagree with, but the bulk of your posts (to myself and others) are a disgrace. If I give you shit it's because of comments you've made to me previously. And you can't blame me because you've apparently made another exhibition of yourself last night and I wasn't even present (despite you name-checking me on several occasions. As I say, rent free) I also find it odd that you apparently don't post on the Stoke side of this forum because the Pulis debate was too much for you (he isn't even here anymore) but you'll post on the GDB where it's even more heated- and you're hardly the shrinking violet type fella Quite funny last night when checking the last time this Cobham thing came up,it was YOU bringing it up on a thread called " what is a woman" which is a pisser for several reasons. Neither Cobham or myself were involved in the thread. Rent free indeed 😂 I've told you this before, to me you're little more than a troublesome fly who keeps getting swatted and sadly reappearing on my arm because it's too stupid to know where the window is
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 22, 2023 16:25:14 GMT
I think Jenkins' calm demeanour is really getting to Johnson and Jenkins has decided he's just going to let Johnson hang himself with his interruptions, he's getting more and more frustrated as the afternoon progresses. I don't think we've seen anything yet either, it's going to get much tougher for him. Having watched it so far I can not see how they can find him guilty Unless of course there is a smoking gun somewhere where he has admitted in writing or on video that he believed rules were being broken Which they would of had to have shown to his defence prior to this hearing Is he a bumbling blustering incompetent unfit to run the country yes Do I think his interpretation of the rules was to liberally applied yes But how do you fairly interpret someone’s mind at the time of the statements without any hard evidence to the contrary Many times people have said stuff they believed and then found those things later to be untrue I can honestly believe because they way he managed his mayor of London set up he’s short on details heavy on alleged deliveries His heavy reliance on advisors rather than putting the hard yards leaving him exposed to the fact advisers tend to give there boss the answers he wanted Incompetent most certainly recklessly mislead parliament unprovable I guess we're only half way through so far, let's see where we are at the end. Having said that, Rigby on Sky, during one of the breaks, did say that she thought he was taking a bit of a pummeling.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 22, 2023 16:28:37 GMT
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Post by wagsastokie on Mar 22, 2023 16:34:20 GMT
Having watched it so far I can not see how they can find him guilty Unless of course there is a smoking gun somewhere where he has admitted in writing or on video that he believed rules were being broken Which they would of had to have shown to his defence prior to this hearing Is he a bumbling blustering incompetent unfit to run the country yes Do I think his interpretation of the rules was to liberally applied yes But how do you fairly interpret someone’s mind at the time of the statements without any hard evidence to the contrary Many times people have said stuff they believed and then found those things later to be untrue I can honestly believe because they way he managed his mayor of London set up he’s short on details heavy on alleged deliveries His heavy reliance on advisors rather than putting the hard yards leaving him exposed to the fact advisers tend to give there boss the answers he wanted Incompetent most certainly recklessly mislead parliament unprovable I guess we're only half way through so far, let's see where we are at the end. Having said that, Rigby on Sky, during one of the breaks, did say that she thought he was taking a bit of a pummeling. Oh he will take a pummelling and most of it justified But in the sprit of fairness it’s not the covid enquiry It’s not as rightly put by harman the gray report he’s there to answer It’s not to justify the covid gatherings It’s wether he deliberately misled parliament I can’t see where unless there’s emails or messages where he’s declared the opposite They can prove what he said at the time was not what he thought was right
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 22, 2023 16:45:10 GMT
I guess we're only half way through so far, let's see where we are at the end. Having said that, Rigby on Sky, during one of the breaks, did say that she thought he was taking a bit of a pummeling. Oh he will take a pummelling and most of it justified But in the sprit of fairness it’s not the covid enquiry It’s not as rightly put by harman the gray report he’s there to answer It’s not to justify the covid gatherings It’s wether he deliberately misled parliament I can’t see where unless there’s emails or messages where he’s declared the opposite They can prove what he said at the time was not what he thought was right Costa is grilling him on the WhatsApp's now. I also posted this on the previous page.
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Post by oggyoggy on Mar 22, 2023 16:50:34 GMT
They aren’t less educated because they voted leave. Nobody has said that. Generally speaking, the more educated an individual was, the more likely they were to vote remain. Education levels was the single best characteristic to determine votes on brexit. Therefore, had more people been educated to a higher level, it is likely we would have voted to remain rather than to leave. Fair enough, but a degree in drama vs 30 years of life experience, paying taxes, bills and utilising public services. I know which may be better placed to make a judgement call. Saying that, i'm educated (surprisingly) and have life experience. Which i guess puts me in the ultimate voter bracket. I never said education was better than experience. In my opinion, very few voters had the education or experience to actually understand and make a call on brexit. At law school I studied constitutional law and EU law and so have a better understanding than most but i still don’t understand how all the intricacies of the EU work. But drama graduates would likely have no idea, neither would many experienced plumbers, or accountants, or IT consultants etc. Very few really were qualified to vote, and most of the MPs certainly didn’t have the relevant experience or education on the subject it seems to me!
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Post by wagsastokie on Mar 22, 2023 16:55:09 GMT
Oh he will take a pummelling and most of it justified But in the sprit of fairness it’s not the covid enquiry It’s not as rightly put by harman the gray report he’s there to answer It’s not to justify the covid gatherings It’s wether he deliberately misled parliament I can’t see where unless there’s emails or messages where he’s declared the opposite They can prove what he said at the time was not what he thought was right Costa is grilling him on the WhatsApp's now. I also posted this on the previous page. Oh I totally agree he’s guilty of many things But this hearing is not about partygate It’s merely about did he or did he not knowingly mislead parliament They have to prove he knew that the rules were broken not there interpretation of the rules his How without clear evidence Can they read his mind at the time He should of been brought before parliament on the gray report not some unprovable misleading of Parliament The only fair verdict would be he inadvertently misled Parliament
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 22, 2023 17:03:11 GMT
Costa is grilling him on the WhatsApp's now. I also posted this on the previous page. Oh I totally agree he’s guilty of many things But this hearing is not about partygate It’s merely about did he or did he not knowingly mislead parliament They have to prove he knew that the rules were broken not there interpretation of the rules his How without clear evidence Can they read his mind at the time He should of been brought before parliament on the gray report not some unprovable misleading of Parliament The only fair verdict would be he inadvertently misled Parliament With respect, how can you come up with your final conclusion, when the hearing hasn't even finished? You're essentially saying that the hearing shouldn't be taking place because you don't believe it's possible that he can be found guilty.
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Post by potteringermany on Mar 22, 2023 17:21:13 GMT
Amazing - the whole defence is that the people in number 10 didn't know what the rules that they made, were
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Post by ChesterStokie on Mar 22, 2023 17:25:05 GMT
Well the hearing’s finished now and the Committee hardly laid a glove on him. He’ll be well pleased with the way that went.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Mar 22, 2023 17:29:54 GMT
Well the hearing’s finished now and the Committee hardly laid a glove on him. He’ll be well pleased with the way that went. I agree
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Post by wagsastokie on Mar 22, 2023 17:32:26 GMT
Oh I totally agree he’s guilty of many things But this hearing is not about partygate It’s merely about did he or did he not knowingly mislead parliament They have to prove he knew that the rules were broken not there interpretation of the rules his How without clear evidence Can they read his mind at the time He should of been brought before parliament on the gray report not some unprovable misleading of Parliament The only fair verdict would be he inadvertently misled Parliament With respect, how can you come up with your final conclusion, when the hearing hasn't even finished? You're essentially saying that the hearing shouldn't be taking place because you don't believe it's possible that he can be found guilty. Well I don’t think they can fairly find him guilty on the remit of the inquiry Unless they have the evidence of him previously admitting that he thought the law and guidelines were were being broken before his parliamentary statements And if they had such they would have to declare it to the defence I also found it strange they didn’t allow his dozen of so witnesses to appear and will take there statements latter I just feel there going for him on the wrong subject there’s many other things they could nail his balls to the mast with The whole thing smacks of he’s lied before he’s lied then If that approach is used than all criminals are guilty every time they appear in court I want to see Johnson’s political career finished but I want it beyond doubt and no wriggle room
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 22, 2023 17:36:46 GMT
Well the hearing’s finished now and the Committee hardly laid a glove on him. He’ll be well pleased with the way that went. Obviously your personal opinion there CS, rather than that of political commentators currently disecting it. Out of interest, did you watch it all?
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