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Post by RedandWhite90 on Mar 22, 2023 19:18:14 GMT
That's his £5,000 an hour (paid by us) KC. Had a close eye on him throughout, you could tell he knew the game was up. I thought it was Fulham's old manager, Felix Magath.
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Post by 828492 on Mar 22, 2023 19:25:34 GMT
Will the Tory MPs who voted against the government’s three line whip on the Windsor Framework have the whip removed from them so they cannot stand as Conservative candidates in the next election?
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Post by hamsta2 on Mar 22, 2023 19:26:11 GMT
Apparently Rees Mogg was quoted as saying that BJ was doing very well against the marsupials. Dorries that no sane person would believe at if the charges. Fabricant the usual drivel. A classy balanced bunch. If you’re an Express reader. Horrors.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Mar 22, 2023 19:29:56 GMT
Will the Tory MPs who voted against the government’s three line whip on the Windsor Framework have the whip removed from them so they cannot stand as Conservative candidates in the next election? Hope so. Gullis was one of them.
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Mar 22, 2023 19:43:27 GMT
That's his £5,000 an hour (paid by us) KC. Had a close eye on him throughout, you could tell he knew the game was up. This is about as odd a path as you can find. In the end, the Lawyers always win. Attachment Deleted
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Post by knype on Mar 22, 2023 19:45:11 GMT
Will the Tory MPs who voted against the government’s three line whip on the Windsor Framework have the whip removed from them so they cannot stand as Conservative candidates in the next election? Hope so. Gullis was one of them. Obsessed
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Mar 22, 2023 19:50:42 GMT
Hope so. Gullis was one of them. Obsessed Indeed you are.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 22, 2023 19:54:14 GMT
Bastards ...
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Post by oggyoggy on Mar 22, 2023 19:58:09 GMT
That's his £5,000 an hour (paid by us) KC. Had a close eye on him throughout, you could tell he knew the game was up. This is about as odd a path as you can find. In the end, the Lawyers always win. View AttachmentLord Pannick was absolutely phenomenal in the Supreme Court against the government on their illegal proroguing of Parliament. All barristers I know raved about him.
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Post by maxplonk on Mar 22, 2023 20:01:50 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Mar 22, 2023 20:13:57 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 22, 2023 20:22:47 GMT
As I said earlier to Wagsa, this goes to the very heart of whether Johnson mislead the house ...
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Mar 22, 2023 20:30:24 GMT
Right at the very start of his statement Johnson questioned why he wasn’t allowed to introduce statements in his defence from a certain amount of people Harman said she wouldn’t take them at this moment to allow the said people to decide if they still wish to stand by there statements to the partygate probe But would of course except them at a later date if Johnson still wanted to submit them Which he indicated he will It is purely my opinion these mentioned people will be those who reassured him or witnessed him being reassured Though I may be totally wrong which won’t be the first or last time I’m sure time will tell and there judgment will be given We almost certainly want the same overall result the ending of his political career I just don’t believe this attempt is watertight enough You're basing your belief on absolutely nothing though. Johnson told the committee TODAY who those people were (it's not up for debate) and it has come as a shock to the committee and numerous political commentators, that Johnson thought he could get away with using such weak sources to support his claim to the House. I've got the news on and Tim Montgomerie (founder of Conservative Home) is on right now suggesting that Johnson is in very deep trouble (his words) on this very point. Interesting re-Montgomerie as there was someone else from Conservative Home on the radio and she was basically saying that the outcome of this probably doesn't matter as internal polling shows Johnson's support within the Party is falling away and the vote today shows fewer MP's are prepared to follow him. Can only hope this is true. Of course he will make many a fortune from overpaid fuckwits prepared to pay to hear him talk, but the label of failed and disgraced former PM will hopefully crush the piece of shit.
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Post by wannabee on Mar 22, 2023 20:31:16 GMT
I think Jenkins' calm demeanour is really getting to Johnson and Jenkins has decided he's just going to let Johnson hang himself with his interruptions, he's getting more and more frustrated as the afternoon progresses. I don't think we've seen anything yet either, it's going to get much tougher for him. Having watched it so far I can not see how they can find him guilty Unless of course there is a smoking gun somewhere where he has admitted in writing or on video that he believed rules were being broken Which they would of had to have shown to his defence prior to this hearing Is he a bumbling blustering incompetent unfit to run the country yes Do I think his interpretation of the rules was to liberally applied yes But how do you fairly interpret someone’s mind at the time of the statements without any hard evidence to the contrary Many times people have said stuff they believed and then found those things later to be untrue I can honestly believe because they way he managed his mayor of London set up he’s short on details heavy on alleged deliveries His heavy reliance on advisors rather than putting the hard yards leaving him exposed to the fact advisers tend to give there boss the answers he wanted Incompetent most certainly recklessly mislead parliament unprovable To be fair you've got it half right Whether he misled Parliament is not at issue, he did, Bozo accepts he did What is to be decided is whether he did so intentionally or recklessly His defense and what he told Parliament on several occasions is that he was assured by his advisors that no Rules were broken and all Guidance observed To my knowledge at least, it was only revealed today "his advisors" were his paid press advisors. Not his Cabinet Secretary or other Senior Advisors not the Attorney General who have specifically told the Committee they didn't give advice to Bozo advice on the matter, furthermore there are WhatsApp messages from them saying the Party's were against Covid Rules. Bozo says they never told him. The Committee is not a Court of Law but its findings follow the Civil Court in so far as they do not have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt, just on the balance of Probability Assisting Bozo today was a Team of Legal Experts costing hundreds of thousands of pounds paid for by the Taxpayers While he was PM he had complete access to the best Legal Advice and other Advisors If we are to believe what he says he didn't seek their advice but instead relied on two Junior Press Officers employed directly by him. At best if this is true it is certainly Reckless if intent can't be proved
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 22, 2023 20:35:49 GMT
Having watched it so far I can not see how they can find him guilty Unless of course there is a smoking gun somewhere where he has admitted in writing or on video that he believed rules were being broken Which they would of had to have shown to his defence prior to this hearing Is he a bumbling blustering incompetent unfit to run the country yes Do I think his interpretation of the rules was to liberally applied yes But how do you fairly interpret someone’s mind at the time of the statements without any hard evidence to the contrary Many times people have said stuff they believed and then found those things later to be untrue I can honestly believe because they way he managed his mayor of London set up he’s short on details heavy on alleged deliveries His heavy reliance on advisors rather than putting the hard yards leaving him exposed to the fact advisers tend to give there boss the answers he wanted Incompetent most certainly recklessly mislead parliament unprovable To be fair you've got it half right Whether he misled Parliament is not at issue, he did, Bozo accepts he did What is to be decided is whether he did so intentionally or recklessly His defense and what he told Parliament on several occasions is that he was assured by his advisors that no Rules were broken and all Guidance observed To my knowledge at least, it was only revealed today "his advisors" were his paid press advisors. Not his Cabinet Secretary or other Senior Advisors not the Attorney General who have specifically told the Committee they didn't give advice to Bozo advice on the matter, furthermore there are WhatsApp messages from them saying the Party's were against Covid Rules. Bozo says they never told him. The Committee is not a Court of Law but its findings follow the Civil Court in so far as they do not have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt, just on the balance of Probability Assisting Bozo today was a Team of Legal Experts costing hundreds of thousands of pounds paid for by the Taxpayers While he was PM he had complete access to the best Legal Advice and other Advisors If we are to believe what he says he didn't seek their advice but instead relied on two Junior Press Officers employed directly by him. At best if this is true it is certainly Reckless if intent can't be proved Exactly.
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Post by yeswilko on Mar 22, 2023 20:51:15 GMT
Having watched it so far I can not see how they can find him guilty Unless of course there is a smoking gun somewhere where he has admitted in writing or on video that he believed rules were being broken Which they would of had to have shown to his defence prior to this hearing Is he a bumbling blustering incompetent unfit to run the country yes Do I think his interpretation of the rules was to liberally applied yes But how do you fairly interpret someone’s mind at the time of the statements without any hard evidence to the contrary Many times people have said stuff they believed and then found those things later to be untrue I can honestly believe because they way he managed his mayor of London set up he’s short on details heavy on alleged deliveries His heavy reliance on advisors rather than putting the hard yards leaving him exposed to the fact advisers tend to give there boss the answers he wanted Incompetent most certainly recklessly mislead parliament unprovable To be fair you've got it half right Whether he misled Parliament is not at issue, he did, Bozo accepts he did What is to be decided is whether he did so intentionally or recklessly His defense and what he told Parliament on several occasions is that he was assured by his advisors that no Rules were broken and all Guidance observed To my knowledge at least, it was only revealed today "his advisors" were his paid press advisors. Not his Cabinet Secretary or other Senior Advisors not the Attorney General who have specifically told the Committee they didn't give advice to Bozo advice on the matter, furthermore there are WhatsApp messages from them saying the Party's were against Covid Rules. Bozo says they never told him. The Committee is not a Court of Law but its findings follow the Civil Court in so far as they do not have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt, just on the balance of Probability Assisting Bozo today was a Team of Legal Experts costing hundreds of thousands of pounds paid for by the Taxpayers While he was PM he had complete access to the best Legal Advice and other Advisors If we are to believe what he says he didn't seek their advice but instead relied on two Junior Press Officers employed directly by him. At best if this is true it is certainly Reckless if intent can't be proved Excellent explanation of the situation.. thanks for that 👍.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Mar 22, 2023 20:57:02 GMT
Having watched it so far I can not see how they can find him guilty Unless of course there is a smoking gun somewhere where he has admitted in writing or on video that he believed rules were being broken Which they would of had to have shown to his defence prior to this hearing Is he a bumbling blustering incompetent unfit to run the country yes Do I think his interpretation of the rules was to liberally applied yes But how do you fairly interpret someone’s mind at the time of the statements without any hard evidence to the contrary Many times people have said stuff they believed and then found those things later to be untrue I can honestly believe because they way he managed his mayor of London set up he’s short on details heavy on alleged deliveries His heavy reliance on advisors rather than putting the hard yards leaving him exposed to the fact advisers tend to give there boss the answers he wanted Incompetent most certainly recklessly mislead parliament unprovable To be fair you've got it half right Whether he misled Parliament is not at issue, he did, Bozo accepts he did What is to be decided is whether he did so intentionally or recklessly His defense and what he told Parliament on several occasions is that he was assured by his advisors that no Rules were broken and all Guidance observed To my knowledge at least, it was only revealed today "his advisors" were his paid press advisors. Not his Cabinet Secretary or other Senior Advisors not the Attorney General who have specifically told the Committee they didn't give advice to Bozo advice on the matter, furthermore there are WhatsApp messages from them saying the Party's were against Covid Rules. Bozo says they never told him. The Committee is not a Court of Law but its findings follow the Civil Court in so far as they do not have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt, just on the balance of Probability Assisting Bozo today was a Team of Legal Experts costing hundreds of thousands of pounds paid for by the Taxpayers While he was PM he had complete access to the best Legal Advice and other Advisors If we are to believe what he says he didn't seek their advice but instead relied on two Junior Press Officers employed directly by him. At best if this is true it is certainly Reckless if intent can't be proved Spot on.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Mar 22, 2023 21:02:07 GMT
Having watched it so far I can not see how they can find him guilty Unless of course there is a smoking gun somewhere where he has admitted in writing or on video that he believed rules were being broken Which they would of had to have shown to his defence prior to this hearing Is he a bumbling blustering incompetent unfit to run the country yes Do I think his interpretation of the rules was to liberally applied yes But how do you fairly interpret someone’s mind at the time of the statements without any hard evidence to the contrary Many times people have said stuff they believed and then found those things later to be untrue I can honestly believe because they way he managed his mayor of London set up he’s short on details heavy on alleged deliveries His heavy reliance on advisors rather than putting the hard yards leaving him exposed to the fact advisers tend to give there boss the answers he wanted Incompetent most certainly recklessly mislead parliament unprovable To be fair you've got it half right Whether he misled Parliament is not at issue, he did, Bozo accepts he did What is to be decided is whether he did so intentionally or recklessly His defense and what he told Parliament on several occasions is that he was assured by his advisors that no Rules were broken and all Guidance observed To my knowledge at least, it was only revealed today "his advisors" were his paid press advisors. Not his Cabinet Secretary or other Senior Advisors not the Attorney General who have specifically told the Committee they didn't give advice to Bozo advice on the matter, furthermore there are WhatsApp messages from them saying the Party's were against Covid Rules. Bozo says they never told him. The Committee is not a Court of Law but its findings follow the Civil Court in so far as they do not have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt, just on the balance of Probability Assisting Bozo today was a Team of Legal Experts costing hundreds of thousands of pounds paid for by the Taxpayers While he was PM he had complete access to the best Legal Advice and other Advisors If we are to believe what he says he didn't seek their advice but instead relied on two Junior Press Officers employed directly by him. At best if this is true it is certainly Reckless if intent can't be proved Wow I completely agree, nice work!
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Post by toppercorner on Mar 22, 2023 21:15:50 GMT
No doubt, done on purpose. A public warning to whistleblowers. I believe he said “a slip of the tongue there”🤣 same 'slip of the (same) tongue' that kept Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe in an Iranian prison whilst he was foreign secretary. he has form for it,and after watching him throw his toys out of his pram this afternoon, i have no doubt it was on purpose.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Mar 22, 2023 21:19:40 GMT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Mar 22, 2023 21:39:24 GMT
Don’t forget everyone. Talking Pints with Big Nige in the GB News pub tomorrow night. He hates the government too, maybe some common ground to be found?😉 Big news in the last couple of days which may have been missed, Reform U.K. are contesting every seat at the next general election with Nige as an advisor. What’s not to like. Their mandate? Get rid of the tories. Even Huddy would agree with that notion😉
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Mar 22, 2023 21:48:49 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 22, 2023 21:49:02 GMT
Stunning front page on the Yorkshire Post ...
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Post by foster on Mar 22, 2023 21:49:35 GMT
Don’t forget everyone. Talking Pints with Big Nige in the GB News pub tomorrow night. He hates the government too, maybe some common ground to be found?😉 Big news in the last couple of days which may have been missed, Reform U.K. are contesting every seat at the next general election with Nige as an advisor. What’s not to like. Their mandate? Get rid of the tories. Even Huddy would agree with that notion😉 Pretty much everything in your post aside from the getting rid of Tories part mate.
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Post by gawa on Mar 22, 2023 21:50:27 GMT
That's his £5,000 an hour (paid by us) KC. Had a close eye on him throughout, you could tell he knew the game was up. This is about as odd a path as you can find. In the end, the Lawyers always win. View Attachment🤣🤣 Look away Boris fans
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Mar 22, 2023 21:57:11 GMT
Don’t forget everyone. Talking Pints with Big Nige in the GB News pub tomorrow night. He hates the government too, maybe some common ground to be found?😉 Big news in the last couple of days which may have been missed, Reform U.K. are contesting every seat at the next general election with Nige as an advisor. What’s not to like. Their mandate? Get rid of the tories. Even Huddy would agree with that notion😉 Pretty much everything in your post aside from the getting rid of Tories part mate. I thought you enjoyed irony Foz? My bad😉
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Mar 22, 2023 22:13:55 GMT
Don’t forget everyone. Talking Pints with Big Nige in the GB News pub tomorrow night. He hates the government too, maybe some common ground to be found?😉 Big news in the last couple of days which may have been missed, Reform U.K. are contesting every seat at the next general election with Nige as an advisor. What’s not to like. Their mandate? Get rid of the tories. Even Huddy would agree with that notion😉 The mandate isn't to get rid of the Toires, it's to get rid of democracy. 😉 Aside from that I'm sure it's a great show. I've got The Last Leg recorded though, so won't be able catch it this week.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Mar 22, 2023 22:43:26 GMT
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Post by ChesterStokie on Mar 23, 2023 0:48:25 GMT
To be fair you've got it half right Whether he misled Parliament is not at issue, he did, Bozo accepts he did What is to be decided is whether he did so intentionally or recklessly His defense and what he told Parliament on several occasions is that he was assured by his advisors that no Rules were broken and all Guidance observed To my knowledge at least, it was only revealed today "his advisors" were his paid press advisors. Not his Cabinet Secretary or other Senior Advisors not the Attorney General who have specifically told the Committee they didn't give advice to Bozo advice on the matter, furthermore there are WhatsApp messages from them saying the Party's were against Covid Rules. Bozo says they never told him. The Committee is not a Court of Law but its findings follow the Civil Court in so far as they do not have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt, just on the balance of Probability Assisting Bozo today was a Team of Legal Experts costing hundreds of thousands of pounds paid for by the Taxpayers While he was PM he had complete access to the best Legal Advice and other Advisors If we are to believe what he says he didn't seek their advice but instead relied on two Junior Press Officers employed directly by him. At best if this is true it is certainly Reckless if intent can't be proved Spot on. And to take this one stage further. I can't remember if the Committee asked him this explicitly, but WHY did he rely on the Junior Press Officers' advice rather than seek proper legal advice? If it was Boris just being Boris thinking it wasn't that important and he was going to get away with it and it was too much like hard work seeking proper legal advice, then surely that is reckless. But Boris is not an unintelligent man and I suspect he knew damn well that if he sought proper legal advice he would get an answer he didn't want so he made sure he didn't get that advice. In which case that is intentional.
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Post by oggyoggy on Mar 23, 2023 8:43:10 GMT
Because of the favourable rates to tax on capital gains, Rishi Sunak pays the effective tax rate of someone earning £40k.
What a terrible system we have where the wealthiest pay lower tax rates than the middle.
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