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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Mar 20, 2023 8:24:58 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Mar 20, 2023 8:32:28 GMT
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Post by toppercorner on Mar 20, 2023 9:57:28 GMT
This maybe of interest to those who are against the idea of asylum seekers being put into local hotels.
It's basically a money making scheme for Tories and all their cronies. They have no intention of stopping it whilst there is so much money to be made. Yet people will 'still' vote for them.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Mar 20, 2023 11:06:39 GMT
This maybe of interest to those who are against the idea of asylum seekers being put into local hotels. It's basically a money making scheme for Tories and all their cronies. They have no intention of stopping it whilst there is so much money to be made. Yet people will 'still' vote for them. Shared this earlier. It stinks....
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Mar 20, 2023 11:37:02 GMT
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Post by iglugluk on Mar 20, 2023 11:38:45 GMT
This maybe of interest to those who are against the idea of asylum seekers being put into local hotels. It's basically a money making scheme for Tories and all their cronies. They have no intention of stopping it whilst there is so much money to be made. Yet people will 'still' vote for them. Shared this earlier. It stinks.... The level of ongoing brazen corruption is simply staggering.
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Post by dutchstokie on Mar 20, 2023 12:37:39 GMT
Which would be a massive turnaround if they manage it hey? Indeed it would be a massive turnaround, but it will never happen, mainly due to the fact that; Global population is rising and will continue to rise, until we educate people that this is a bad thing. Consumer consumption will only rise unless we stop the global population rise. Then it will take absolute decades to reverse Their ( US, China and Indias ) reluctance to fully embrace this 'net zero' program. I work in the renewables industry and discussed 'net zero' issues this very morning with some clowns in Germany...weird heh ! There are dozens of 'sound bites' out there to show that companies like, Shell, BP, ENECO, Vattenfall and the like are shown to be 'doing their bit' but until the likes of Exxon, China Petroluem and the like come on board you can whistle in the wind. Governments around the world are just as bad, feebily pointing out we have 'cut greenhouse gases by 25%'and 'our carbon foot print is a fifth of what it was 20 years ago'.....whoopdidoo ! Sound bites again......
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Post by oggyoggy on Mar 20, 2023 13:35:38 GMT
Which would be a massive turnaround if they manage it hey? Indeed it would be a massive turnaround, but it will never happen, mainly due to the fact that; Global population is rising and will continue to rise, until we educate people that this is a bad thing. Consumer consumption will only rise unless we stop the global population rise. Then it will take absolute decades to reverse Their ( US, China and Indias ) reluctance to fully embrace this 'net zero' program. I work in the renewables industry and discussed 'net zero' issues this very morning with some clowns in Germany...weird heh ! There are dozens of 'sound bites' out there to show that companies like, Shell, BP, ENECO, Vattenfall and the like are shown to be 'doing their bit' but until the likes of Exxon, China Petroluem and the like come on board you can whistle in the wind. Governments around the world are just as bad, feebily pointing out we have 'cut greenhouse gases by 25%'and 'our carbon foot print is a fifth of what it was 20 years ago'.....whoopdidoo ! Sound bites again...... There really needs to be a global boycott of the 10 biggest polluting companies on earth. Obviously never going to happen. But that is what is necessary.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Mar 20, 2023 13:46:10 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 20, 2023 15:33:07 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 20, 2023 18:00:48 GMT
Not only are they crooks but they are staggeringly incompetent too.
How on earth have they not thought this through?
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Mar 20, 2023 18:19:59 GMT
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Post by OldStokie on Mar 20, 2023 18:34:50 GMT
If true, Paul, let's see if the BBC and Sky and the mainstream media pick up on this. I have no problem taking in genuine refugees but this sleight of hand almost hidden clause should be shouted from the treetops. Bloody underhanded bastards if true. The level of corruption is not coming in drip by drip now, it's becoming a flood! Surely, even those Red Wall voters if they get to know about it will finally turn on the duplicitous sods. M.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 20, 2023 20:02:51 GMT
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Post by 828492 on Mar 20, 2023 20:34:00 GMT
Interviewer: 'Mr Johnson, out of all the lies you've ever told, which one is your favourite?' Johnson: 'I've never told any lies.' Interviewer: 'Yes, that's my favourite, too.'
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Mar 20, 2023 22:03:02 GMT
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Mar 20, 2023 22:27:16 GMT
Is this going to be the most stunning turnaround in modern British political history? Long way to go but there is an increasing sense from the public that he could be a safe pair of hands, albeit very moderate and overtly centrist. www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/03/20/tories-cut-labour-poll-lead-warned-not-bring-back-boris-johnson/Labour are only ever one disaster away from the tide turning and immigration is undoubtedly going to be an election winner if he genuinely does "stop the boats" - Despite what socialites like Gary Linekar and his millionaire mates will have you believe. The comparisons between Blair and Starmer are embarrassing. Not a huge Blair fan but this was a guy who planned for years, had a clear strategy, incredibly eloquent and in certain areas, a very strong leader - Albeit a total disaster in other areas. Circuit breaker Starmer on the other hand seems to be taking the stance "I'm just going to shut my mouth for a few years, have an opinion on nothing, have no plan, and hope the Tories self implode". Aside from his cringe worthy hypocrisy around patriotism, Corbyn, Brexit to name a few, he's utterly clueless and could well be sleep walking his way into one of the most humiliating election defeats in Labour's long list of humiliating defeats. Do they have the balls to get rid of him if, as expected, the race for PM is getting worryingly close in 7 or 8 months? The people are warming to Sunak, there is no doubt about it. Love it or loathe it.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Mar 20, 2023 23:06:23 GMT
Is this going to be the most stunning turnaround in modern British political history? Long way to go but there is an increasing sense from the public that he could be a safe pair of hands, albeit very moderate and overtly centrist. www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/03/20/tories-cut-labour-poll-lead-warned-not-bring-back-boris-johnson/Labour are only ever one disaster away from the tide turning and immigration is undoubtedly going to be an election winner if he genuinely does "stop the boats" - Despite what socialites like Gary Linekar and his millionaire mates will have you believe. The comparisons between Blair and Starmer are embarrassing. Not a huge Blair fan but this was a guy who planned for years, had a clear strategy, incredibly eloquent and in certain areas, a very strong leader - Albeit a total disaster in other areas. Circuit breaker Starmer on the other hand seems to be taking the stance "I'm just going to shut my mouth for a few years, have an opinion on nothing, have no plan, and hope the Tories self implode". Aside from his cringe worthy hypocrisy around patriotism, Corbyn, Brexit to name a few, he's utterly clueless and could well be sleep walking his way into one of the most humiliating election defeats in Labour's long list of humiliating defeats. Do they have the balls to get rid of him if, as expected, the race for PM is getting worryingly close in 7 or 8 months? The people are warming to Sunak, there is no doubt about it. Love it or loathe it. A bit of context is needed. On average, Sunak has certainly closed the gap in the polls a bit in the last week or so, but to put it into context - this is the best poll result since he took over, and with a 10-point deficit it puts the Conservative Party at the same level as they were at in the final days of Boris Johnson's tenure. It also needs to be seen if this is a swing of public opinion, or an anomaly. Taking any sort of conclusion from one or two polls is not a good idea, as you can basically find a poll to suit whatever agenda you wish to push (for example, if I compare the two most recent Redfield & Wilton polls it shows a 1% drop in Conservative support, which is the opposite conclusion to what the poll you posted shows). Either way, whoever wins the next General Election will have overseen a remarkable turnaround. If Starmer wins he will have taken Labour into power off the back of their worst General Election result for decades, and if the Conservatives win Sunak will have taken them from around a 30-point deficit in the polls and kept them in power.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Mar 20, 2023 23:19:56 GMT
Is this going to be the most stunning turnaround in modern British political history? Long way to go but there is an increasing sense from the public that he could be a safe pair of hands, albeit very moderate and overtly centrist. www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/03/20/tories-cut-labour-poll-lead-warned-not-bring-back-boris-johnson/Labour are only ever one disaster away from the tide turning and immigration is undoubtedly going to be an election winner if he genuinely does "stop the boats" - Despite what socialites like Gary Linekar and his millionaire mates will have you believe. The comparisons between Blair and Starmer are embarrassing. Not a huge Blair fan but this was a guy who planned for years, had a clear strategy, incredibly eloquent and in certain areas, a very strong leader - Albeit a total disaster in other areas. Circuit breaker Starmer on the other hand seems to be taking the stance "I'm just going to shut my mouth for a few years, have an opinion on nothing, have no plan, and hope the Tories self implode". Aside from his cringe worthy hypocrisy around patriotism, Corbyn, Brexit to name a few, he's utterly clueless and could well be sleep walking his way into one of the most humiliating election defeats in Labour's long list of humiliating defeats. Do they have the balls to get rid of him if, as expected, the race for PM is getting worryingly close in 7 or 8 months? The people are warming to Sunak, there is no doubt about it. Love it or loathe it. A bit of context is needed. On average, Sunak has certainly closed the gap in the polls a bit in the last week or so, but to put it into context - this is the best poll result since he took over, and with a 10-point deficit it puts the Conservative Party at the same level as they were at in the final days of Boris Johnson's tenure. It also needs to be seen if this is a swing of public opinion, or an anomaly. Taking any sort of conclusion from one or two polls is not a good idea, as you can basically find a poll to suit whatever agenda you wish to push (for example, if I compare the two most recent Redfield & Wilton polls it shows a 1% drop in Conservative support, which is the opposite conclusion to what the poll you posted shows). Either way, whoever wins the next General Election will have overseen a remarkable turnaround. If Starmer wins he will have taken Labour into power off the back of their worst General Election result for decades, and if the Conservatives win Sunak will have taken them from around a 30-point deficit in the polls and kept them in power. All fair points. I don't think one could say Starmer turned it around with any degree of skill though. More a case of the Tories going into a total meltdown and Starmer not having an opinion on anything. While you're right, such a poll is not a major moment either way, i do sense Sunak is rightly or wrongly, very slowly getting some of the country on side, who weren't on side 6 months ago.
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Post by elystokie on Mar 21, 2023 7:16:24 GMT
A bit of context is needed. On average, Sunak has certainly closed the gap in the polls a bit in the last week or so, but to put it into context - this is the best poll result since he took over, and with a 10-point deficit it puts the Conservative Party at the same level as they were at in the final days of Boris Johnson's tenure. It also needs to be seen if this is a swing of public opinion, or an anomaly. Taking any sort of conclusion from one or two polls is not a good idea, as you can basically find a poll to suit whatever agenda you wish to push (for example, if I compare the two most recent Redfield & Wilton polls it shows a 1% drop in Conservative support, which is the opposite conclusion to what the poll you posted shows). Either way, whoever wins the next General Election will have overseen a remarkable turnaround. If Starmer wins he will have taken Labour into power off the back of their worst General Election result for decades, and if the Conservatives win Sunak will have taken them from around a 30-point deficit in the polls and kept them in power. All fair points. I don't think one could say Starmer turned it around with any degree of skill though. More a case of the Tories going into a total meltdown and Starmer not having an opinion on anything. While you're right, such a poll is not a major moment either way, i do sense Sunak is rightly or wrongly, very slowly getting some of the country on side, who weren't on side 6 months ago. I actually agree with your army of pollsters for once 😳 He's certainly showing to be far more competent than the Bluffer or Thick Liz ever were, they weren't exactly difficult acts to follow tho to be fair, Benny off of Crossroads would probably have shown some improvement on those two
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Mar 21, 2023 7:35:30 GMT
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Post by oggyoggy on Mar 21, 2023 9:22:14 GMT
A bit of context is needed. On average, Sunak has certainly closed the gap in the polls a bit in the last week or so, but to put it into context - this is the best poll result since he took over, and with a 10-point deficit it puts the Conservative Party at the same level as they were at in the final days of Boris Johnson's tenure. It also needs to be seen if this is a swing of public opinion, or an anomaly. Taking any sort of conclusion from one or two polls is not a good idea, as you can basically find a poll to suit whatever agenda you wish to push (for example, if I compare the two most recent Redfield & Wilton polls it shows a 1% drop in Conservative support, which is the opposite conclusion to what the poll you posted shows). Either way, whoever wins the next General Election will have overseen a remarkable turnaround. If Starmer wins he will have taken Labour into power off the back of their worst General Election result for decades, and if the Conservatives win Sunak will have taken them from around a 30-point deficit in the polls and kept them in power. All fair points. I don't think one could say Starmer turned it around with any degree of skill though. More a case of the Tories going into a total meltdown and Starmer not having an opinion on anything. While you're right, such a poll is not a major moment either way, i do sense Sunak is rightly or wrongly, very slowly getting some of the country on side, who weren't on side 6 months ago. To be fair to Starmer, it is hard to differentiate labour from the tories when the tories steal most policies he announces: 1. Energy price cap -originally a lib dem policy stolen by labour 2. Windfall tax on oil and gas (albeit a limp one) - originally a lib dem policy stolen by labour 3. Negotiating with unions (finally the tories have admitted defeat and are negotiating and settling and had they done so from the outset (as labour and lib dems said they would) it would have saves billions for the economy) 4. Increasing childcare provision (albeit in a not particularly effective manner as without more funding (which Labour promised and the Lib Dem’s have campaigned on for years), the childcare providers go under) No wonder Starmer is reluctant to announce lots of big policies, and it would be foolish to do so when we are almost 2 years from an election. Where Starmer differs is he would remove perhaps the biggest tax cut for the rich in living memory just introduced in the budget. Nationalised investment in green energy (which you hate) for zero carbon electricity by 2030, 5 years before the government Significant clampdown on tax loopholes exploited by the rich. NHS reform with significant investment in R&D, perhaps the most underfunded part of the NHs, and changing the GP partnership model, and moving to a preventative health approach so people are generally healthier (a model adopted by most of the wealthy nations who all have much better health services) Major reform to policing and crime, undoing some of the cuts by the tories to funding in the system so cases move faster. This includes tackling fraud in a big way, but i am not sure on specifics other than going after the PPE covid fraudsters and not ignoring them like Starmer Removing the charitable status of private schools which will raise a lot of tax revenue to put into the state system. Investigate legal routes to seek asylum here to help stop the boats. A big difference is governing on policy and not hate filled rhetoric. I am sure there are more that I have missed. Many you and I may disagree with. Many are light on detail. But to say Starmer does nothing and is the same as Sunak and the tories is lazy on your part.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Mar 21, 2023 9:32:35 GMT
All fair points. I don't think one could say Starmer turned it around with any degree of skill though. More a case of the Tories going into a total meltdown and Starmer not having an opinion on anything. While you're right, such a poll is not a major moment either way, i do sense Sunak is rightly or wrongly, very slowly getting some of the country on side, who weren't on side 6 months ago. To be fair to Starmer, it is hard to differentiate labour from the tories when the tories steal most policies he announces: 1. Energy price cap -originally a lib dem policy stolen by labour 2. Windfall tax on oil and gas (albeit a limp one) - originally a lib dem policy stolen by labour 3. Negotiating with unions (finally the tories have admitted defeat and are negotiating and settling and had they done so from the outset (as labour and lib dems said they would) it would have saves billions for the economy) 4. Increasing childcare provision (albeit in a not particularly effective manner as without more funding (which Labour promised and the Lib Dem’s have campaigned on for years), the childcare providers go under) No wonder Starmer is reluctant to announce lots of big policies, and it would be foolish to do so when we are almost 2 years from an election. Where Starmer differs is he would remove perhaps the biggest tax cut for the rich in living memory just introduced in the budget. Nationalised investment in green energy (which you hate) for zero carbon electricity by 2030, 5 years before the government Significant clampdown on tax loopholes exploited by the rich. NHS reform with significant investment in R&D, perhaps the most underfunded part of the NHs, and changing the GP partnership model, and moving to a preventative health approach so people are generally healthier (a model adopted by most of the wealthy nations who all have much better health services) Major reform to policing and crime, undoing some of the cuts by the tories to funding in the system so cases move faster. This includes tackling fraud in a big way, but i am not sure on specifics other than going after the PPE covid fraudsters and not ignoring them like Starmer Removing the charitable status of private schools which will raise a lot of tax revenue to put into the state system. Investigate legal routes to seek asylum here to help stop the boats. A big difference is governing on policy and not hate filled rhetoric. I am sure there are more that I have missed. Many you and I may disagree with. Many are light on detail. But to say Starmer does nothing and is the same as Sunak and the tories is lazy on your part. Well, I wouldn't disagree with you on much of that first part. Sunak is about as centrist as they come.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 21, 2023 9:54:52 GMT
Is this going to be the most stunning turnaround in modern British political history? Long way to go but there is an increasing sense from the public that he could be a safe pair of hands, albeit very moderate and overtly centrist. www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/03/20/tories-cut-labour-poll-lead-warned-not-bring-back-boris-johnson/Labour are only ever one disaster away from the tide turning and immigration is undoubtedly going to be an election winner if he genuinely does "stop the boats" - Despite what socialites like Gary Linekar and his millionaire mates will have you believe. The comparisons between Blair and Starmer are embarrassing. Not a huge Blair fan but this was a guy who planned for years, had a clear strategy, incredibly eloquent and in certain areas, a very strong leader - Albeit a total disaster in other areas. Circuit breaker Starmer on the other hand seems to be taking the stance "I'm just going to shut my mouth for a few years, have an opinion on nothing, have no plan, and hope the Tories self implode". Aside from his cringe worthy hypocrisy around patriotism, Corbyn, Brexit to name a few, he's utterly clueless and could well be sleep walking his way into one of the most humiliating election defeats in Labour's long list of humiliating defeats. Do they have the balls to get rid of him if, as expected, the race for PM is getting worryingly close in 7 or 8 months? The people are warming to Sunak, there is no doubt about it. Love it or loathe it. A bit of context is needed. On average, Sunak has certainly closed the gap in the polls a bit in the last week or so, but to put it into context - this is the best poll result since he took over, and with a 10-point deficit it puts the Conservative Party at the same level as they were at in the final days of Boris Johnson's tenure. It also needs to be seen if this is a swing of public opinion, or an anomaly. Taking any sort of conclusion from one or two polls is not a good idea, as you can basically find a poll to suit whatever agenda you wish to push (for example, if I compare the two most recent Redfield & Wilton polls it shows a 1% drop in Conservative support, which is the opposite conclusion to what the poll you posted shows). Either way, whoever wins the next General Election will have overseen a remarkable turnaround. If Starmer wins he will have taken Labour into power off the back of their worst General Election result for decades, and if the Conservatives win Sunak will have taken them from around a 30-point deficit in the polls and kept them in power. The "worst election result in decades" narrative is a complete myth. It's based solely on the number of remaining Labour seats which I get but I'd love someone of sound mind to talk me through the 2010 election result and tell me it was more successful with a straight face..........
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Post by oggyoggy on Mar 21, 2023 9:55:45 GMT
To be fair to Starmer, it is hard to differentiate labour from the tories when the tories steal most policies he announces: 1. Energy price cap -originally a lib dem policy stolen by labour 2. Windfall tax on oil and gas (albeit a limp one) - originally a lib dem policy stolen by labour 3. Negotiating with unions (finally the tories have admitted defeat and are negotiating and settling and had they done so from the outset (as labour and lib dems said they would) it would have saves billions for the economy) 4. Increasing childcare provision (albeit in a not particularly effective manner as without more funding (which Labour promised and the Lib Dem’s have campaigned on for years), the childcare providers go under) No wonder Starmer is reluctant to announce lots of big policies, and it would be foolish to do so when we are almost 2 years from an election. Where Starmer differs is he would remove perhaps the biggest tax cut for the rich in living memory just introduced in the budget. Nationalised investment in green energy (which you hate) for zero carbon electricity by 2030, 5 years before the government Significant clampdown on tax loopholes exploited by the rich. NHS reform with significant investment in R&D, perhaps the most underfunded part of the NHs, and changing the GP partnership model, and moving to a preventative health approach so people are generally healthier (a model adopted by most of the wealthy nations who all have much better health services) Major reform to policing and crime, undoing some of the cuts by the tories to funding in the system so cases move faster. This includes tackling fraud in a big way, but i am not sure on specifics other than going after the PPE covid fraudsters and not ignoring them like Starmer Removing the charitable status of private schools which will raise a lot of tax revenue to put into the state system. Investigate legal routes to seek asylum here to help stop the boats. A big difference is governing on policy and not hate filled rhetoric. I am sure there are more that I have missed. Many you and I may disagree with. Many are light on detail. But to say Starmer does nothing and is the same as Sunak and the tories is lazy on your part. Well, I wouldn't disagree with you on much of that first part. Sunak is about as centrist as they come. Apart from the massive tax breaks for the super rich and his immigration policy of course! I think a more centrist government would be providing far more support for the millions who need it during this cost of living crisis compared with the Sunak government. Another area they differ is that Starmer wants to get rid of non-dom tax loopholes.
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Post by oggyoggy on Mar 21, 2023 9:57:45 GMT
A bit of context is needed. On average, Sunak has certainly closed the gap in the polls a bit in the last week or so, but to put it into context - this is the best poll result since he took over, and with a 10-point deficit it puts the Conservative Party at the same level as they were at in the final days of Boris Johnson's tenure. It also needs to be seen if this is a swing of public opinion, or an anomaly. Taking any sort of conclusion from one or two polls is not a good idea, as you can basically find a poll to suit whatever agenda you wish to push (for example, if I compare the two most recent Redfield & Wilton polls it shows a 1% drop in Conservative support, which is the opposite conclusion to what the poll you posted shows). Either way, whoever wins the next General Election will have overseen a remarkable turnaround. If Starmer wins he will have taken Labour into power off the back of their worst General Election result for decades, and if the Conservatives win Sunak will have taken them from around a 30-point deficit in the polls and kept them in power. The "worst election result in decades" narrative is a complete myth. It's based solely on the number of remaining Labour seats which I get but I'd love someone of sound mind to talk me through the 2010 election result and tell me it was more successful with a straight face.......... I agree. But who cares. They lost both. That’s all that counts. And they must “win” the next (be the biggest party) to save us from the worst period of governance in recent history.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Mar 21, 2023 10:16:33 GMT
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Mar 21, 2023 10:25:23 GMT
All fair points. I don't think one could say Starmer turned it around with any degree of skill though. More a case of the Tories going into a total meltdown and Starmer not having an opinion on anything. While you're right, such a poll is not a major moment either way, i do sense Sunak is rightly or wrongly, very slowly getting some of the country on side, who weren't on side 6 months ago. To be fair to Starmer, it is hard to differentiate labour from the tories when the tories steal most policies he announces: 1. Energy price cap -originally a lib dem policy stolen by labour 2. Windfall tax on oil and gas (albeit a limp one) - originally a lib dem policy stolen by labour 3. Negotiating with unions (finally the tories have admitted defeat and are negotiating and settling and had they done so from the outset (as labour and lib dems said they would) it would have saves billions for the economy) 4. Increasing childcare provision (albeit in a not particularly effective manner as without more funding (which Labour promised and the Lib Dem’s have campaigned on for years), the childcare providers go under) No wonder Starmer is reluctant to announce lots of big policies, and it would be foolish to do so when we are almost 2 years from an election. Where Starmer differs is he would remove perhaps the biggest tax cut for the rich in living memory just introduced in the budget. Nationalised investment in green energy (which you hate) for zero carbon electricity by 2030, 5 years before the government Significant clampdown on tax loopholes exploited by the rich. NHS reform with significant investment in R&D, perhaps the most underfunded part of the NHs, and changing the GP partnership model, and moving to a preventative health approach so people are generally healthier (a model adopted by most of the wealthy nations who all have much better health services) Major reform to policing and crime, undoing some of the cuts by the tories to funding in the system so cases move faster. This includes tackling fraud in a big way, but i am not sure on specifics other than going after the PPE covid fraudsters and not ignoring them like Starmer Removing the charitable status of private schools which will raise a lot of tax revenue to put into the state system. Investigate legal routes to seek asylum here to help stop the boats. A big difference is governing on policy and not hate filled rhetoric. I am sure there are more that I have missed. Many you and I may disagree with. Many are light on detail. But to say Starmer does nothing and is the same as Sunak and the tories is lazy on your part. "Investigate legal routes to help asylum here to help stop the boats" And how many years will that investigation take place....while boats are still landing illegally every day... ...typical labour, see a problem..form a committee to think about it and get nothing done..
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 21, 2023 10:32:10 GMT
The "worst election result in decades" narrative is a complete myth. It's based solely on the number of remaining Labour seats which I get but I'd love someone of sound mind to talk me through the 2010 election result and tell me it was more successful with a straight face.......... I agree. But who cares. They lost both. That’s all that counts. And they must “win” the next (be the biggest party) to save us from the worst period of governance in recent history. It's not all that counts. Because the trend from Blair through to the present day shows about the only bright spot was 2017 (despite the defeat), so it's about understanding how you build on what little bit's of success you may have had. The policy of "we're not as shit as the Tories" might win them a majority - who can say when a month is such a long time in politics these days - but they may also see their lead in the polls eroded. It's fairly simple maths, in the main Labour have 3 types of voters, the left leaning liberal usually found in the metropolitan boroughs, the socially conservative "red wall" voters predominantly in the North, and the predominantly 18-30 "left wingers". They either need to bring together the three (that's clearly not happening) or go out and court the millions of disenfranchised voters that would automatically align to Labour rather than the Tories, if they do neither they won't get a majority barring more Tory disasters or a ringing endorsement from the right-wing press a la Tony Blair (I wouldn't rule either of those things out either). In a nutshell nothing is off the table.......
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 21, 2023 10:34:02 GMT
To be fair to Starmer, it is hard to differentiate labour from the tories when the tories steal most policies he announces: 1. Energy price cap -originally a lib dem policy stolen by labour 2. Windfall tax on oil and gas (albeit a limp one) - originally a lib dem policy stolen by labour 3. Negotiating with unions (finally the tories have admitted defeat and are negotiating and settling and had they done so from the outset (as labour and lib dems said they would) it would have saves billions for the economy) 4. Increasing childcare provision (albeit in a not particularly effective manner as without more funding (which Labour promised and the Lib Dem’s have campaigned on for years), the childcare providers go under) No wonder Starmer is reluctant to announce lots of big policies, and it would be foolish to do so when we are almost 2 years from an election. Where Starmer differs is he would remove perhaps the biggest tax cut for the rich in living memory just introduced in the budget. Nationalised investment in green energy (which you hate) for zero carbon electricity by 2030, 5 years before the government Significant clampdown on tax loopholes exploited by the rich. NHS reform with significant investment in R&D, perhaps the most underfunded part of the NHs, and changing the GP partnership model, and moving to a preventative health approach so people are generally healthier (a model adopted by most of the wealthy nations who all have much better health services) Major reform to policing and crime, undoing some of the cuts by the tories to funding in the system so cases move faster. This includes tackling fraud in a big way, but i am not sure on specifics other than going after the PPE covid fraudsters and not ignoring them like Starmer Removing the charitable status of private schools which will raise a lot of tax revenue to put into the state system. Investigate legal routes to seek asylum here to help stop the boats. A big difference is governing on policy and not hate filled rhetoric. I am sure there are more that I have missed. Many you and I may disagree with. Many are light on detail. But to say Starmer does nothing and is the same as Sunak and the tories is lazy on your part. "Investigate legal routes to help asylum here to help stop the boats" And how many years will that investigation take place....while boats are still landing illegally every day... ...typical labour, see a problem..form a committee to think about it and get nothing done.. The Home Office department for processing refugees and asylum seekers has come to a grinding halt and you have the cheek to accuse others of "getting nothing done?"
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