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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 10, 2023 18:10:09 GMT
Half a billion for the French to pretend to stop boats. No money available to pay nurses more. The country's run by fuckwits
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Post by oggyoggy on Mar 10, 2023 20:51:36 GMT
Why do you say it is a good bill if you can’t tell me any differences it will make? A viable alternative is to provide safe legal routes for asylum seekers to come here via British Embassies around the world, and for their claims to be processed within 28 days. Then make the small boat crossing illegal because we would have a viable safe and legal alternative. The people trafficker’s business model would be destroyed, the boats would all but stop, and genuine asylum seekers could still come here. It is very simple. You make it sound simple. Your idea would be obliterated within weeks. It would do absolutely nothing to stop the illegal channel crossings. Sunak's plan should, in theory, deter interest in crossing illegally when those involved realise and start to see what happens to those who try it - Zero legal protection, detention and subsequent swift, safe return to the country they are from. The proposal quite clearly still allows for safe refuge of those who have a fair case to be here - Unlike the vast majority of the 15,000 Albanian migrants that arrived last year from France. It's utterly pathetic that you're so "triggered" by the proposal. I’m still waiting for you to obliterate my idea.
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Post by 828492 on Mar 10, 2023 21:26:41 GMT
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Post by PotteringThrough on Mar 10, 2023 23:24:08 GMT
They’re not even trying to hide it now… There will be some that’ll tell you the BBC is left wing, wokey, snowfakely, liberal nonsense though…
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Post by elystokie on Mar 10, 2023 23:38:46 GMT
They’re not even trying to hide it now… There will be some that’ll tell you the BBC is left wing, wokey, snowfakely, liberal nonsense though… It's gone (un)surprisingly quiet on that front lately on here, might have something to do with the discovery that literally all the top management are Tories 🤔
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 10, 2023 23:57:09 GMT
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Post by thepottypotter on Mar 11, 2023 0:00:06 GMT
Hypocrisy of the BBCExcellent video from Sky highlighting the hypocrisy of the BBC where multiple right wing figures regularly and prominently express political opinions: Andrew Neil chairman of righting magazine the Spectator, chairman Richard Sharp donates £400K to Tories and organised £800K loan to Boris, Alan Sugar, BBC director general Tim Dave’s used to be deputy chairman of the Hammersmith and Fulham Tory party, Jeremy Clarksom’s column in the Sun etc. To reiterate, what Lineker said is factually correct. The UK refugee policy he drew attention to has been condemned by the UN and human rights organisations.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2023 3:13:35 GMT
Half a billion for the French to pretend to stop boats. No money available to pay nurses more. The country's run by fuckwits Aren’t “culture wars” the first line of any political campaign? You like/dislike a, the other party hate/love a. Vote us as we are just like you. I’ve never known the labour/conservative fight to be on anything other than “culture/class warfare”. It’s always been much easier to tell a group why someone is your enemy than to explain to them why you are their friend.
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Post by oggyoggy on Mar 11, 2023 7:44:35 GMT
Aren’t “culture wars” the first line of any political campaign? You like/dislike a, the other party hate/love a. Vote us as we are just like you. I’ve never known the labour/conservative fight to be on anything other than “culture/class warfare”. It’s always been much easier to tell a group why someone is your enemy than to explain to them why you are their friend. It should be made unlawful. You should have to campaign on the positive actions you are going to do.
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Mar 11, 2023 8:31:39 GMT
They’re not even trying to hide it now… There will be some that’ll tell you the BBC is left wing, wokey, snowfakely, liberal nonsense though… It's gone (un)surprisingly quiet on that front lately on here, might have something to do with the discovery that literally all the top management are Tories 🤔 The fact they are Tories also helps explain the incompetence.
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Post by andystokey on Mar 11, 2023 10:32:56 GMT
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Post by maxplonk on Mar 11, 2023 11:40:35 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 11, 2023 12:05:03 GMT
If this doesn’t sum up how lazy the Tory shite about elites is then I don’t know what does!
And still normal folk get conned by it.
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Post by oggyoggy on Mar 11, 2023 12:13:58 GMT
If this doesn’t sum up how lazy the Tory shite about elites is then I don’t know what does! And still normal folk get conned by it. Brilliant! It is like brexit. Leave was all about protecting the interests of the elite establishment like Rees Mogg, Farage and Johnson. Turkeys voting for Christmas
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Post by wagsastokie on Mar 11, 2023 12:21:38 GMT
If this doesn’t sum up how lazy the Tory shite about elites is then I don’t know what does! And still normal folk get conned by it. Brilliant! It is like brexit. Leave was all about protecting the interests of the elite establishment like Rees Mogg, Farage and Johnson. Turkeys voting for Christmas How come the majority of what most of us call the establishment Clearly voted remain Most of the mainstream media remain The majority of MPs from all political parties remain Majority of the House of Lords remain The one thing the brexit vote showed was the ordinary persons disdain of the establishment
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Post by oggyoggy on Mar 11, 2023 12:32:14 GMT
Brilliant! It is like brexit. Leave was all about protecting the interests of the elite establishment like Rees Mogg, Farage and Johnson. Turkeys voting for Christmas How come the majority of what most of us call the establishment Clearly voted remain Most of the mainstream media remain The majority of MPs from all political parties remain Majority of the House of Lords remain The one thing the brexit vote showed was the ordinary persons disdain of the establishment Is your establishment the top 1% (Johnson, Farage, Rees-Mogg) or the middle classes (journalists, economists, lawyers etc)? And who has benefited from brexit? Those who bet against the pound and hold assets offshore - the top 1% of most privileged individuals in the country.
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Post by toppercorner on Mar 11, 2023 20:32:29 GMT
lower and lower we go ...
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Post by andystokey on Mar 12, 2023 11:13:12 GMT
If this doesn’t sum up how lazy the Tory shite about elites is then I don’t know what does! And still normal folk get conned by it. I hate the way all these MPs say "my constituents think..." then put their own views down. Most people don't even bother they are too busy heating their homes and putting food on the table.
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Post by oggyoggy on Mar 12, 2023 14:31:21 GMT
publications.parliament.uk/pa/bills/cbill/58-03/0262/220262.pdfHere is the actual bill. On page one it says: EUROPEAN CONVENTION ON HUMAN RIGHTS Secretary Suella Braverman has made the following statement under section 19(1)(b) of the Human Rights Act 1998: I am unable to make a statement that, in my view, the provisions of the Illegal Migration Bill are compatible with the Convention rights, but the Government nevertheless wishes the House to proceed with the Bill My wife is a government lawyer. She drafts bills as part of her job. She has never seen a bill with an admission from the secretary of state that it is not compatible with the Human Rights convention. What a waste of time and tax payer funds.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 12, 2023 14:36:19 GMT
lower and lower we go ... It can't be just me who finds it ever so slightly weird that the people who are positioning themselves to look toughest on migrants are themselves sons and daughters of, erm, immigrants...
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Post by slash on Mar 12, 2023 14:47:56 GMT
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 12, 2023 15:06:21 GMT
It's not the best look when swimming premises nearby are having to close or reduce access as a result of fuel costs, but, and it's a big but, so long as it's his money and he pays all the taxes he should do (and so does his wife...ahem) then if he wants to spend that money doing that it's up to him.
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Post by gawa on Mar 12, 2023 15:52:53 GMT
lower and lower we go ... It can't be just me who finds it ever so slightly weird that the people who are positioning themselves to look toughest on migrants are themselves sons and daughters of, erm, immigrants... Because alot of them came from wealth rather than war and the same goes for their ancestors. Nadeem Zahawai is portrayed as an Iraqi refugee who came to the UK and became a success story. Very few articles reference the fact his grandad was the governor of the central Bank of Iraq as well as the minister of trade.
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Post by slash on Mar 12, 2023 16:02:42 GMT
It's not the best look when swimming premises nearby are having to close or reduce access as a result of fuel costs, but, and it's a big but, so long as it's his money and he pays all the taxes he should do (and so does his wife...ahem) then if he wants to spend that money doing that it's up to him. this is how Rishi is detached from reality. his IR35 changes killed british IT industry while helping his wife's infosys getting competitive advantage on the uk market. they have doubled their wealth in the last couple of years. he thinks he is doing a great job because he is getting praises from yes men in his bubble but the bubble is other corrupt public officials. a general cannot come soon enough.
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Post by lordb on Mar 12, 2023 16:09:28 GMT
It's not the best look when swimming premises nearby are having to close or reduce access as a result of fuel costs, but, and it's a big but, so long as it's his money and he pays all the taxes he should do (and so does his wife...ahem) then if he wants to spend that money doing that it's up to him. this is how Rishi is detached from reality. his IR35 changes killed british IT industry while helping his wife's infosys getting competitive advantage on the uk market. they have doubled their wealth in the last couple of years. he thinks he is doing a great job because he is getting praises from yes men in his bubble but the bubble is other corrupt public officials. a general cannot come soon enough. General Cromwell?
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Post by 828492 on Mar 12, 2023 17:17:07 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Mar 12, 2023 21:27:45 GMT
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Post by oggyoggy on Mar 13, 2023 9:07:53 GMT
As many as 61,000 junior doctors have started a 72 hour strike.
Whatever your position on the strikes, it represents the most abject of failures by our government.
Apparently the lowest paid junior doctors will be paid less by the hour than some staff at Pret shops by April! Incredible if true. And that is by no means disrespecting coffee shop staff who are a crucial part of our economy, but you don’t need a 7 year degree to serve coffee, like to do to be a doctor.
Oh, and teachers in England walk out on Wednesday and Thursday … joined by 100,000 civil servants who are striking on budget day Wednesday … and RMT workers working for train companies who are striking on Thursday and Saturday.
Our government seems to be doing absolutely nothing to resolve the above.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 13, 2023 9:19:48 GMT
Forget small boats. The absolute incompetence of this shitty government are the problem.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Mar 13, 2023 9:56:05 GMT
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