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Post by wannabee on Feb 13, 2023 10:56:15 GMT
It's not that difficult to decipher her motives She is seen as a "Comer" or Rising Star of a particular wing of the Conservative Party and very possibly its next Leader ... Gawd Help Us It's Politically expedient to describe Left Wing Tree Hugging Climate Activists as Extremists and part of some sort of imagined "Coalition" However when you've based your Political Platform on Demonising Immigrants you must attach blame to the Immigrants when they become Victims When it comes to immigration I'm thinking Labour and the Tories are currently two sides of the same coin. Talking of demonising immigrants..... I may be missing the point here but I essentially don't disagree with what Rayner said. I can't comment on Starmer as I didn't hear what he said Let me explain my thinking. Processing of Asylum Seekers is taking far too long, I suspect deliberately in order to create a crisis. Unless there are unusual circumstances claims should be processed within 6 months so people can't get on and begin to rebuild their lives. If an Asylum claim is rejected they should have a "right of appeal" in line with "due process" we keep hearing about lately on various enquiries At the point where a claim is refused and within the time limit of an appeal being lodged I see no problem in a Failed Asylum Seeker being Tagged. I see that as a better alternative than being put in a Detention Centre or disappearing into the either
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Feb 13, 2023 10:57:00 GMT
It's not that difficult to decipher her motives She is seen as a "Comer" or Rising Star of a particular wing of the Conservative Party and very possibly its next Leader ... Gawd Help Us It's Politically expedient to describe Left Wing Tree Hugging Climate Activists as Extremists and part of some sort of imagined "Coalition" However when you've based your Political Platform on Demonising Immigrants you must attach blame to the Immigrants when they become Victims When it comes to immigration I'm thinking Labour and the Tories are currently two sides of the same coin. Talking of demonising immigrants..... Absolutely appalling.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 13, 2023 11:09:22 GMT
When it comes to immigration I'm thinking Labour and the Tories are currently two sides of the same coin. Talking of demonising immigrants..... I may be missing the point here but I essentially don't disagree with what Rayner said. I can't comment on Starmer as I didn't hear what he said Let me explain my thinking. Processing of Asylum Seekers is taking far too long, I suspect deliberately in order to create a crisis. Unless there are unusual circumstances claims should be processed within 6 months so people can't get on and begin to rebuild their lives. If an Asylum claim is rejected they should have a "right of appeal" in line with "due process" we keep hearing about lately on various enquiries At the point where a claim is refused and within the time limit of an appeal being lodged I see no problem in a Failed Asylum Seeker being Tagged. I see that as a better alternative than being put in a Detention Centre or disappearing into the either You're using the phrase "Failed Asylum seeker" and talking about them awaiting appeals, Starmer and Rayner never mentioned that specific to my knowledge and I've seen the transcripts. Is it okay to tag asylum seekers simply waiting for their application to be processed then?
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Post by wannabee on Feb 13, 2023 11:24:22 GMT
I may be missing the point here but I essentially don't disagree with what Rayner said. I can't comment on Starmer as I didn't hear what he said Let me explain my thinking. Processing of Asylum Seekers is taking far too long, I suspect deliberately in order to create a crisis. Unless there are unusual circumstances claims should be processed within 6 months so people can't get on and begin to rebuild their lives. If an Asylum claim is rejected they should have a "right of appeal" in line with "due process" we keep hearing about lately on various enquiries At the point where a claim is refused and within the time limit of an appeal being lodged I see no problem in a Failed Asylum Seeker being Tagged. I see that as a better alternative than being put in a Detention Centre or disappearing into the either You're using the phrase "Failed Asylum seeker" and talking about them awaiting appeals, Starmer and Rayner never mentioned that specific to my knowledge and I've seen the transcripts. Is it okay to tag asylum seekers simply waiting for their application to be processed then? As I said I didn't hear what Starmer said I was relying on the clip alone. The interviewer said at the beginning that Starmer said he would support tagging "in certain circumstances" I gave my "circumstances" where I would support tagging anything beyond that would be illegal (going back to our friend "due process ") and appalling
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2023 11:53:44 GMT
Yet they stayed through Johnson? Odd lines to draw 😂
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Post by yeokel on Feb 13, 2023 12:01:35 GMT
Could somebody explain to a simple soul like me, what is a "culture war"?
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Feb 13, 2023 12:12:54 GMT
Yet they stayed through Johnson? Odd lines to draw 😂 Agreed....very odd.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 13, 2023 12:26:48 GMT
You're using the phrase "Failed Asylum seeker" and talking about them awaiting appeals, Starmer and Rayner never mentioned that specific to my knowledge and I've seen the transcripts. Is it okay to tag asylum seekers simply waiting for their application to be processed then? As I said I didn't hear what Starmer said I was relying on the clip alone. The interviewer said at the beginning that Starmer said he would support tagging "in certain circumstances" I gave my "circumstances" where I would support tagging anything beyond that would be illegal (going back to our friend "due process ") and appalling
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Feb 13, 2023 12:59:46 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Feb 13, 2023 13:00:22 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Feb 13, 2023 13:13:13 GMT
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Post by OldStokie on Feb 13, 2023 14:53:19 GMT
I don't see why they shouldn't be tagged. Once they disappear into the mire of society they're more in danger of becoming slaves for unscrupulous gang bosses. But it would be a wasted exercise. All they'd need to is cut the tag off and they can still disappear into the mire of society. There are probably tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of illegals that have simply slipped away quietly in the night and many are probably washing your cars now.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 13, 2023 17:04:50 GMT
It's not often I agree with a Tory MP, especially one from the right of the party but every word Duncan Smith says here is spot on. Even if they don't arrest him, they can deny him entry to the country at least.
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Post by toppercorner on Feb 13, 2023 17:54:05 GMT
it's been mentioned on here more than once. Some of her companies have had over a million in covid loans, and the ones that did, have gone bump. FYD told me I was making it all up.
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Post by wannabee on Feb 13, 2023 17:55:26 GMT
As I said I didn't hear what Starmer said I was relying on the clip alone. The interviewer said at the beginning that Starmer said he would support tagging "in certain circumstances" I gave my "circumstances" where I would support tagging anything beyond that would be illegal (going back to our friend "due process ") and appalling Thanks for posting the link there are quite a few issues at play here The case of Mimi is a curious one and few details are provided. It has echoes of Merhan Nasseri who spent 18 years in CDeG. Some of it doesn't make sense It says she had a troubled childhood and is now in her forties and somehow came to the attention of immigration 10 years ago but has no documentation or proof she is British After spending two years in Detention she was released with a tagging device which she doesn't like. My previous post I mused that this would be a better option (easy for me as I've never had one). I suspect there is much more to Mimi's story and whether she is cooperating and I guess has mental issues given her childhood It goes on to say that since 2016 people facing Deportation are tagged. I'm sure it's not pleasant but in my view preferable to Detention and in my view a reasonable compromise It next talks about the Nationalities and Border Act 2022 which I'm vehemently opposed to as its an attempt to neuter the ECHR which the Government has talked about leaving but never will for many reasons I don't understand the next bit where they talk about people on immigration bail being Tagged and released from Detention. My understanding is that after initial processing 4/5 days and then given accommodation until their Asylum Application is processed If people are being Tagged awaiting Deportation see above. If Tagged before Asylum Application assessment this is illegal and would be challenged in Court surely It next talks about a Pilot Scheme of Tagging 600 Asylum Seekers who were deemed "illegal" because they arrived by small boats. This is outrageous and illegal and I'm surprised it hasn't been taken to Court It then goes on to conflate with people Tagged released from Detention awaiting Deportation so the Article is very confusing The central issue is a dysfunctional Home Office who do not process claims on a timely basis In my view this is a deliberate Policy. From memory about 75% of Asylum claims are approved on processing and another 40% on appeals are successful so about 85% in Total. These Statistics do not fit the Agenda the Government is pushing of being "Invaded by Illegal Immigrants"
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Post by stokie63 on Feb 14, 2023 16:29:15 GMT
Cant belive no posts today have the shoddy government been good girls and boys today.
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Post by gawa on Feb 14, 2023 17:03:32 GMT
Cant belive no posts today have the shoddy government been good girls and boys today. Was thinking the same myself. 24 hours without controversy. What's going on here
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 14, 2023 18:22:50 GMT
Cant belive no posts today have the shoddy government been good girls and boys today. Will this do? What a berk ...
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Post by 828492 on Feb 14, 2023 19:49:26 GMT
Cant belive no posts today have the shoddy government been good girls and boys today. Will this do? What a berk ... ‘Agent Lee’. He is doing more for the Labour cause as an ignorant Tory deputy chairman than he ever did as an ignorant Labour councillor.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Feb 14, 2023 20:50:08 GMT
Cant belive no posts today have the shoddy government been good girls and boys today.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Feb 14, 2023 21:35:01 GMT
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Post by gawa on Feb 15, 2023 9:07:54 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-64640069Such an arrogant arsehole. You've done feck all to transform Labour, any gains in the polls are simply due to the Tory's self inflicted damage, not due to anything Starmer has done. I'd take Ed Milliband over this prick.
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Post by gawa on Feb 15, 2023 9:20:10 GMT
Cant belive no posts today have the shoddy government been good girls and boys today. Will this do? What a berk ... To be fair though he's not wrong. Most of their recent elections have been won on culuture wars. There are many people out there who will happily pay an extra £300 a month on basic necessities and add an extra 12 months to waiting times for basic health care if it means they can outlaw a black person kneeling down or some other pointless bollocks
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Post by gawa on Feb 15, 2023 9:58:58 GMT
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Feb 15, 2023 10:08:29 GMT
Fantastic news. Good riddance.
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Post by knype on Feb 15, 2023 10:13:20 GMT
Fantastic news. Good riddance. Spot on
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Post by knype on Feb 15, 2023 10:13:49 GMT
Will this do? What a berk ... To be fair though he's not wrong. Most of their recent elections have been won on culuture wars. There are many people out there who will happily pay an extra £300 a month on basic necessities and add an extra 12 months to waiting times for basic health care if it means they can outlaw a black person kneeling down or some other pointless bollocks Absolute load of guff!
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Feb 15, 2023 10:14:00 GMT
Fantastic news. Good riddance. Spot on A victory for actual women.
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Post by gawa on Feb 15, 2023 10:29:14 GMT
To be fair though he's not wrong. Most of their recent elections have been won on culuture wars. There are many people out there who will happily pay an extra £300 a month on basic necessities and add an extra 12 months to waiting times for basic health care if it means they can outlaw a black person kneeling down or some other pointless bollocks Absolute load of guff! Well they weren't voted in because of their manifesto: Extra funding for the NHS, with 50,000 more nurses and 50 million more GP surgery appointments a year. - Failed 20,000 more police and tougher sentencing for criminals. - Failed An Australian-style points-based system to control immigration. - Already existed under labour. Re-used existing system. Millions more invested every week in science, schools, apprenticeships and infrastructure while controlling debt. - Failed Reaching Net Zero by 2050 with investment in clean energy solutions and green infrastructure to reduce carbon emissions and pollution. - Failing We will not raise the rate of income tax, VAT or National Insurance. - Failed Getting Brexit done. Investing in our public services and infrastructure. Supporting workers and families. Strengthening the Union. Unleashing Britain’s potential. - Failed (With the exception of "getting brexit done" which is a huge failure in itself)
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Post by knype on Feb 15, 2023 11:32:57 GMT
Well they weren't voted in because of their manifesto: Extra funding for the NHS, with 50,000 more nurses and 50 million more GP surgery appointments a year. - Failed 20,000 more police and tougher sentencing for criminals. - Failed An Australian-style points-based system to control immigration. - Already existed under labour. Re-used existing system. Millions more invested every week in science, schools, apprenticeships and infrastructure while controlling debt. - Failed Reaching Net Zero by 2050 with investment in clean energy solutions and green infrastructure to reduce carbon emissions and pollution. - Failing We will not raise the rate of income tax, VAT or National Insurance. - Failed Getting Brexit done. Investing in our public services and infrastructure. Supporting workers and families. Strengthening the Union. Unleashing Britain’s potential. - Failed (With the exception of "getting brexit done" which is a huge failure in itself) Wait until Starmer
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