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Post by wannabee on Feb 12, 2023 22:24:57 GMT
People need to know the reasons. And I’m in no way advocating rioting in any form. They’re the lowest of the low The reasons haven't been established Badge and Braverman knows it. Unfortunately she does and did but chose to inflame Its inconceivable that the Home Secretary wasn't aware of the background to the Riot
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 12, 2023 22:25:21 GMT
You just have a blinkered vision Huddy, it’s ok, it’s what you believe in but give others a chance Ay. It’s quite possible a faux pas has been made here and it’s not all the dark shite you read on Twitter
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Post by Han Solo on Feb 12, 2023 22:26:31 GMT
I’m afraid to say I’m not into my politics like your good self and aren’t particularly passionate about one party or the other as frankly they don’t represent me for reasons I’ve previously stated and right now I’m more likely to spoil my paper than vote for either though if I did vote it’d be Labour at a push as they deserve a chance. In relation to Braverman what do you think she should have said? Maybe nothing might have been better as sometimes less is more?
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Post by gawa on Feb 12, 2023 22:27:27 GMT
That's exactly what she wants people to ask. That's why her statement is so shameful, she's the Home Secretary of our nation FFS, not Tommy Robinson. Staggering that some people apparently can't see it.Not really Paul some people including our Home Secretary do see it but prefer to pretend otherwise and hide behind words like "allegedly" in a seemingly appeasing manner which fools no one The original spark that provoked the Riot was a fifteen year old girl posting a Video on Facebook of a Man with a "Tanned Complection" aged 25 asking for her Telephone Number. I'm sure quite a disturbing experience but she had the presence of mind to Video the person who was paying her unwelcome attention The Video was seen by several people who made a complaint to Police The Police followed up with enquiries, subsequently a man was arrested in a different part of the Country and released pending further enquiries on the advice of CPS. It has not been stated one way or the other if the arrested man was ever a resident at the Knowsley Immigration Facility, I highly doubt it. A Neo Nazi Mark Collett became aware of the incident and used it to maliciously spread his bile on Social Media which incited locals in Knowsley to attack the completely innocent residents of the Immigration Facility and the Police It wasn't difficult to establish these facts. It's beyond credibility that Suella Braverman wouldn't have been aware of these facts and much more. She chose as you say to continue to pour petrol on the fire hiding behind "allegedly" because it doesn't suit her Racist Agenda Thank you this is quite a thorough explanation having not followed it myself. I agree that suellas comments can be read that way too. I don't think it's something worth getting too hooked up on though and I can see why others who maybe don't have a prw determined opinion of suella may not read it that way. Having known what she's like myself, I wouldn't put it past her to mean it in the way others have said. But is what it is.
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Post by wannabee on Feb 12, 2023 22:32:02 GMT
Exactly, nothing has or CAN be confirmed at this time. And the UK Home Secretary shouldn't be stoking that fire but instead, she should be attempting to defuse the situation, which she clearly has no interest in doing. Shameful. I agree in her role that perhaps she should be more responsible but she’s not the first politician (from either side) to jump in with both feet without knowing all the facts and in comparison to some I’d say her comment is relatively tame. Why do you think the Home Secretary wouldn't be aware of ALL the Facts?
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Feb 12, 2023 22:33:05 GMT
You just have a blinkered vision Huddy, it’s ok, it’s what you believe in but give others a chance Ay. It’s quite possible a faux pas has been made here and it’s not all the dark shite you read on Twitter It's not about her politics. it's about her complete lack of humanity. I'm genuinely gobsmacked that people can't see it.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Feb 12, 2023 22:35:00 GMT
That's exactly what she wants people to ask. That's why her statement is so shameful, she's the Home Secretary of our nation FFS, not Tommy Robinson. Staggering that some people apparently can't see it.Not really Paul some people including our Home Secretary do see it but prefer to pretend otherwise and hide behind words like "allegedly" in a seemingly appeasing manner which fools no one The original spark that provoked the Riot was a fifteen year old girl posting a Video on Facebook of a Man with a "Tanned Complection" aged 25 asking for her Telephone Number. I'm sure quite a disturbing experience but she had the presence of mind to Video the person who was paying her unwelcome attention The Video was seen by several people who made a complaint to Police The Police followed up with enquiries, subsequently a man was arrested in a different part of the Country and released pending further enquiries on the advice of CPS. It has not been stated one way or the other if the arrested man was ever a resident at the Knowsley Immigration Facility, I highly doubt it. A Neo Nazi Mark Collett became aware of the incident and used it to maliciously spread his bile on Social Media which incited locals in Knowsley to attack the completely innocent residents of the Immigration Facility and the Police It wasn't difficult to establish these facts. It's beyond credibility that Suella Braverman wouldn't have been aware of these facts and much more. She chose as you say to continue to pour petrol on the fire hiding behind "allegedly" because it doesn't suit her Racist Agenda Sadly, she seems to be fooling a few people.
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Post by wannabee on Feb 12, 2023 22:38:53 GMT
You just have a blinkered vision Huddy, it’s ok, it’s what you believe in but give others a chance Ay. It’s quite possible a faux pas has been made here and it’s not all the dark shite you read on Twitter It's not about her politics. it's about her complete lack of humanity. I'm genuinely gobsmacked that people can't see it. Exactly this, its got nothing to do with Politics
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Post by wannabee on Feb 12, 2023 22:41:19 GMT
Not really Paul some people including our Home Secretary do see it but prefer to pretend otherwise and hide behind words like "allegedly" in a seemingly appeasing manner which fools no one The original spark that provoked the Riot was a fifteen year old girl posting a Video on Facebook of a Man with a "Tanned Complection" aged 25 asking for her Telephone Number. I'm sure quite a disturbing experience but she had the presence of mind to Video the person who was paying her unwelcome attention The Video was seen by several people who made a complaint to Police The Police followed up with enquiries, subsequently a man was arrested in a different part of the Country and released pending further enquiries on the advice of CPS. It has not been stated one way or the other if the arrested man was ever a resident at the Knowsley Immigration Facility, I highly doubt it. A Neo Nazi Mark Collett became aware of the incident and used it to maliciously spread his bile on Social Media which incited locals in Knowsley to attack the completely innocent residents of the Immigration Facility and the Police It wasn't difficult to establish these facts. It's beyond credibility that Suella Braverman wouldn't have been aware of these facts and much more. She chose as you say to continue to pour petrol on the fire hiding behind "allegedly" because it doesn't suit her Racist Agenda Sadly, she seems to be fooling a few people. There are none so blind as those that will not see
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 12, 2023 22:44:59 GMT
Sadly, she seems to be fooling a few people. There are none so blind as those that will not see Ah I see now, everybody has to agree and people aren’t allowed to form their own opinion of at least are shouted down for it. Is that it?
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Post by Han Solo on Feb 12, 2023 22:57:12 GMT
I agree in her role that perhaps she should be more responsible but she’s not the first politician (from either side) to jump in with both feet without knowing all the facts and in comparison to some I’d say her comment is relatively tame. Why do you think the Home Secretary wouldn't be aware of ALL the Facts? Perhaps because no one genuinely knows all the facts. There’s I’m sure been plenty of different versions being posted on social media of what happened, all alluding to be the truth. I’d imagine unravelling the facts will be a very lengthy investigation and only at its conclusion will we really know who’s involved and what the reasons for the disgusting behaviour were. I’m sure that at this time there will be 2 sides with very different versions of the evenings events that they’ll be peddling out on social media to be the truth. Even if there is some substance to the story re the adult and the 15 year old that you referred to it will never justify the actions of the idiots smashing up cars and terrorising innocent people regardless of what country they’re from. The problem with this country is we have a rather unpleasant habit of branding groups as being “all the same” based on the actions of a very small minority.
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Post by wannabee on Feb 12, 2023 23:00:36 GMT
There are none so blind as those that will not see Ah I see now, everybody has to agree and people aren’t allowed to form their own opinion of at least are shouted down for it. Is that it? Whose shouting?I merely posted the facts which are self evident and available to anyone who has a mind to inform themselves and doesn't want to rely on conjecture They were certainly available to Suella Braverman but she chose to distort them. Why do you think she chose to do that?
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 12, 2023 23:03:14 GMT
Why do you think the Home Secretary wouldn't be aware of ALL the Facts? Perhaps because no one genuinely knows all the facts. There’s I’m sure been plenty of different versions being posted on social media of what happened, all alluding to be the truth. I’d imagine unravelling the facts will be a very lengthy investigation and only at its conclusion will we really know who’s involved and what the reasons for the disgusting behaviour were. I’m sure that at this time there will be 2 sides with very different versions of the evenings events that they’ll be peddling out on social media to be the truth. Even if there is some substance to the story re the adult and the 15 year old that you referred to it will never justify the actions of the idiots smashing up cars and terrorising innocent people regardless of what country they’re from. The problem with this country is we have a rather unpleasant habit of branding groups as being “all the same” based on the actions of a very small minority. Spot on
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 12, 2023 23:04:30 GMT
Ah I see now, everybody has to agree and people aren’t allowed to form their own opinion of at least are shouted down for it. Is that it? Whose shouting?I merely posted the facts which are self evident and available to anyone who has a mind to inform themselves and doesn't want to rely on conjecture They were certainly available to Suella Braverman but she chose to distort them. Why do you think she chose to do that?
certainly aHave you gone to sleep? Wouldn’t surprise me to be honest. I’ve got a glass eye with more life in it👀
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Post by wannabee on Feb 12, 2023 23:20:34 GMT
Why do you think the Home Secretary wouldn't be aware of ALL the Facts? Perhaps because no one genuinely knows all the facts. 1. There’s I’m sure been plenty of different versions being posted on social media of what happened, all alluding to be the truth. 2. I’d imagine unravelling the facts will be a very lengthy investigation and only at its conclusion will we really know who’s involved and what the reasons for the disgusting behaviour were. 3. I’m sure that at this time there will be 2 sides with very different versions of the evenings events that they’ll be peddling out on social media to be the truth. 4. Even if there is some substance to the story re the adult and the 15 year old that you referred to it will never justify the actions of the idiots smashing up cars and terrorising innocent people regardless of what country they’re from. 5. The problem with this country is we have a rather unpleasant habit of branding groups as being “all the same” based on the actions of a very small minority. 1. Come come Cobham, are you seriously suggesting the Home Secretary or one of her minions has to trawl through Social Media to establish the Facts. Do you not think as a matter of urgency she wouldn’t have been briefed by the Cheif Plod or all the Facts? 2. I doubt it will be too lengthy they are already 15 arrested for Riotous Behaviour including at least 2 Juviniles There may be more arrests once the Police have finished reviewing Video Evidence What has not yet been determined is if Mark Collett will be arrested for inciting a Riot and/or a Hate Crime 3. People have time on their hands, some will be trying to justify their actions The more sane will be pondering how they were fooled by the Bullshit 4. Please do not conflate the two incidents like the Neo Nazi Mark Collett did to incite the Riot. They are entirely seperate events not connected 5. No idea what this means
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Post by wannabee on Feb 12, 2023 23:24:46 GMT
Whose shouting?I merely posted the facts which are self evident and available to anyone who has a mind to inform themselves and doesn't want to rely on conjecture They were certainly available to Suella Braverman but she chose to distort them. Why do you think she chose to do that?
certainly a Have you gone to sleep? Wouldn’t surprise me to be honest. I’ve got a glass eye with more life in it👀 This makes as much sense as when you previously posted it when you had nothing of substance to contribute
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 12, 2023 23:35:09 GMT
Have you gone to sleep? Wouldn’t surprise me to be honest. I’ve got a glass eye with more life in it👀 This makes as much sense as when you previously posted it when you had nothing of substance to contribute 🤣 have a lovely evening
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Post by Han Solo on Feb 12, 2023 23:42:34 GMT
Perhaps because no one genuinely knows all the facts. 1. There’s I’m sure been plenty of different versions being posted on social media of what happened, all alluding to be the truth. 2. I’d imagine unravelling the facts will be a very lengthy investigation and only at its conclusion will we really know who’s involved and what the reasons for the disgusting behaviour were. 3. I’m sure that at this time there will be 2 sides with very different versions of the evenings events that they’ll be peddling out on social media to be the truth. 4. Even if there is some substance to the story re the adult and the 15 year old that you referred to it will never justify the actions of the idiots smashing up cars and terrorising innocent people regardless of what country they’re from. 5. The problem with this country is we have a rather unpleasant habit of branding groups as being “all the same” based on the actions of a very small minority. 1. Come come Cobham, are you seriously suggesting the Home Secretary or one of her minions has to trawl through Social Media to establish the Facts. Do you not think as a matter of urgency she wouldn’t have been briefed by the Cheif Plod or all the Facts? 2. I doubt it will be too lengthy they are already 15 arrested for Riotous Behaviour including at least 2 Juviniles There may be more arrests once the Police have finished reviewing Video Evidence What has not yet been determined is if Mark Collett will be arrested for inciting a Riot and/or a Hate Crime 3. People have time on their hands, some will be trying to justify their actions The more sane will be pondering how they were fooled by the Bullshit 4. Please do not conflate the two incidents like the Neo Nazi Mark Collett did to incite the Riot. They are entirely seperate events not connected 5. No idea what this means Cheers for breaking my post up for me 1) Maybe a summary but with so many arrested and lots of witnesses to speak to I’d be amazed if she’d have all the facts yet. As you say there may be more to come too. It’s always best to wait till the end of an investigation before making judgement. 2) I’m not convinced Collett has that much influence does he? I’d never even heard of him before. I’m sure he’s spewed some racist bile but is he bright enough to manage such a large scale riot. You might be able to educate me but has he previous for this? 3) Not quite sure what you mean? But I’m prepared to wait till the end of the investigation before making judgement. 4) What I’m saying is regardless of guilt no group should ever be judged on an individuals action. Not specifically this case. I’m hoping that you’re not suggesting I have anything in common with a neo-nazi? 5) I’ll let you work that one out.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 13, 2023 0:02:37 GMT
Another thing that bothers me about Braverman's comment, is when Just Stop Oil were engaged in their non-violent protests last year, she described them as extremists and a threat to our society.
However when far right thugs attack our police outside a hotel housing people waiting to be processed, she describes it as 'disorder'.
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Post by wannabee on Feb 13, 2023 0:06:57 GMT
1. Come come Cobham, are you seriously suggesting the Home Secretary or one of her minions has to trawl through Social Media to establish the Facts. Do you not think as a matter of urgency she wouldn’t have been briefed by the Cheif Plod or all the Facts? 2. I doubt it will be too lengthy they are already 15 arrested for Riotous Behaviour including at least 2 Juviniles There may be more arrests once the Police have finished reviewing Video Evidence What has not yet been determined is if Mark Collett will be arrested for inciting a Riot and/or a Hate Crime 3. People have time on their hands, some will be trying to justify their actions The more sane will be pondering how they were fooled by the Bullshit 4. Please do not conflate the two incidents like the Neo Nazi Mark Collett did to incite the Riot. They are entirely seperate events not connected 5. No idea what this means Cheers for breaking my post up for me 1) Maybe a summary but with so many arrested and lots of witnesses to speak to I’d be amazed if she’d have all the facts yet. As you say there may be more to come too. It’s always best to wait till the end of an investigation before making judgement. 2) I’m not convinced Collett has that much influence does he? I’d never even heard of him before. I’m sure he’s spewed some racist bile but is he bright enough to manage such a large scale riot. You might be able to educate me but has he previous for this? 3) Not quite sure what you mean? But I’m prepared to wait till the end of the investigation before making judgement. 4) What I’m saying is regardless of guilt no group should ever be judged on an individuals action. Not specifically this case. I’m hoping that you’re not suggesting I have anything in common with a neo-nazi? 5) I’ll let you work that one out. 1. She would most certainly have enough facts to hand before her Tweet not to insinuate there was provocation by an act "allegedly" by the Immigrants that might in someway justify the Riot She was in fact repeating the same false claims first introduced by Mark Collett 2. He didn't manage the Riot, he incited others to do so by posting false information on Social Media which spread like a Forest Fire 3. People were duped by False Rumours into actions they probably now regret 4. You asked if there was substance to the Story, of course there, is a man was arrested and released pending further enquiries, but he has nothing to do with the Residents of the Immigration Facility. Collett and Braverman have attempted to cojoin the two and your comment went along the same lines which is why i asked you do not fall into that same trap but of course I do not associate you with Collett or indeed Braverman for that matter 5.
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Post by Han Solo on Feb 13, 2023 0:14:49 GMT
Cheers for breaking my post up for me 1) Maybe a summary but with so many arrested and lots of witnesses to speak to I’d be amazed if she’d have all the facts yet. As you say there may be more to come too. It’s always best to wait till the end of an investigation before making judgement. 2) I’m not convinced Collett has that much influence does he? I’d never even heard of him before. I’m sure he’s spewed some racist bile but is he bright enough to manage such a large scale riot. You might be able to educate me but has he previous for this? 3) Not quite sure what you mean? But I’m prepared to wait till the end of the investigation before making judgement. 4) What I’m saying is regardless of guilt no group should ever be judged on an individuals action. Not specifically this case. I’m hoping that you’re not suggesting I have anything in common with a neo-nazi? 5) I’ll let you work that one out. 1. She would most certainly have enough facts to hand before her Tweet not to insinuate there was provocation by an act "allegedly" by the Immigrants that might in someway justify the Riot She was in fact repeating the same false claims first introduced by Mark Collett 2. He didn't manage the Riot, he incited others to do so by posting false information on Social Media which spread like a Forest Fire 3. People were duped by False Rumours into actions they probably now regret 4. You asked if there was substance to the Story, of course there, is a man was arrested and released pending further enquiries, but he has nothing to do with the Residents of the Immigration Facility. Collett and Braverman have attempted to cojoin the two and your comment went along the same lines which is why i asked you do not fall into that same trap but of course I do not associate you with Collett or indeed Braverman for that matter 5. 2) Then they’re idiots if they’re allowing themselves to be manipulated into behaving like that.
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Post by iglugluk on Feb 13, 2023 0:18:46 GMT
Another thing that bothers me about Braverman's comment, is when Just Stop Oil were engaged in their non-violent protests last year, she described them as extremists and a threat to our society. However when far right thugs attack our police outside a hotel housing people waiting to be processed, she describes it as 'disorder'. Spot on, Suella Braverman is a very worrying individual given the power she wields. The far right element that has embedded itself within the Tory Party is becoming increasingly emboldened ever since they succeeded in manipulating gullible disenfranchised voters to back the folly that is Brexit, it seems to me.
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Post by wannabee on Feb 13, 2023 0:24:50 GMT
Another thing that bothers me about Braverman's comment, is when Just Stop Oil were engaged in their non-violent protests last year, she described them as extremists and a threat to our society. However when far right thugs attack our police outside a hotel housing people waiting to be processed, she describes it as 'disorder'. It's not that difficult to decipher her motives She is seen as a "Comer" or Rising Star of a particular wing of the Conservative Party and very possibly its next Leader ... Gawd Help Us It's Politically expedient to describe Left Wing Tree Hugging Climate Activists as Extremists and part of some sort of imagined "Coalition" However when you've based your Political Platform on Demonising Immigrants you must attach blame to the Immigrants when they become Victims
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Post by knype on Feb 13, 2023 4:56:22 GMT
You just have a blinkered vision Huddy, it’s ok, it’s what you believe in but give others a chance Ay. It’s quite possible a faux pas has been made here and it’s not all the dark shite you read on Twitter It's not about her politics. it's about her complete lack of humanity. I'm genuinely gobsmacked that people can't see it. Ah the whole humanity line has now come out...
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Post by knype on Feb 13, 2023 4:57:28 GMT
Another thing that bothers me about Braverman's comment, is when Just Stop Oil were engaged in their non-violent protests last year, she described them as extremists and a threat to our society. However when far right thugs attack our police outside a hotel housing people waiting to be processed, she describes it as 'disorder'. All far right were they? Strange really as the Scousers to me always seem to reject the far right?
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Post by maxplonk on Feb 13, 2023 5:48:16 GMT
The Devil makes work...
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Feb 13, 2023 6:45:31 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Feb 13, 2023 7:31:30 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Feb 13, 2023 8:29:20 GMT
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 13, 2023 10:34:33 GMT
Another thing that bothers me about Braverman's comment, is when Just Stop Oil were engaged in their non-violent protests last year, she described them as extremists and a threat to our society. However when far right thugs attack our police outside a hotel housing people waiting to be processed, she describes it as 'disorder'. It's not that difficult to decipher her motives She is seen as a "Comer" or Rising Star of a particular wing of the Conservative Party and very possibly its next Leader ... Gawd Help Us It's Politically expedient to describe Left Wing Tree Hugging Climate Activists as Extremists and part of some sort of imagined "Coalition" However when you've based your Political Platform on Demonising Immigrants you must attach blame to the Immigrants when they become Victims When it comes to immigration I'm thinking Labour and the Tories are currently two sides of the same coin. Talking of demonising immigrants.....
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