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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 5, 2023 21:54:04 GMT
I think the reality is we’ll never know. There’ll always be the element of the unknown that’s why it’s important not to rubbish either side as there’s an argument for both. Like most things, you don’t know anything for certain in life. But I value the views of the 8 people I know working across 6 different covid wards across the country during the pandemic and how they were all unanimous in the fact that an earlier lockdown would have reduced pressure on them and meant they wouldn’t have had to choose which patients to treat and which not to (leaving them to die), and they are unanimous in the view that lockdowns were essential to prevent far more deaths mainly due to a completely overwhelmed nhs. That doesn’t mean lockdown wasn’t awful I don’t disagree with that but having seen the impact of lockdown on kids first hand in recent months I think there’s also a case for looking at the damage it’s done and will do in the future in respect to mental health. I’m genuinely not trying to be pedantic as I do believe lockdowns were necessary and I certainly aren’t a conspiracy theorist but I don’t think we’ve seen all the fallout even now on young people. Only in 10-15 years will we really have a true measurement of the damage done by covid and lockdowns. Only then will we really have an answer.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Feb 5, 2023 22:14:50 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Feb 5, 2023 22:26:48 GMT
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Post by oggyoggy on Feb 6, 2023 7:21:53 GMT
Like most things, you don’t know anything for certain in life. But I value the views of the 8 people I know working across 6 different covid wards across the country during the pandemic and how they were all unanimous in the fact that an earlier lockdown would have reduced pressure on them and meant they wouldn’t have had to choose which patients to treat and which not to (leaving them to die), and they are unanimous in the view that lockdowns were essential to prevent far more deaths mainly due to a completely overwhelmed nhs. That doesn’t mean lockdown wasn’t awful I don’t disagree with that but having seen the impact of lockdown on kids first hand in recent months I think there’s also a case for looking at the damage it’s done and will do in the future in respect to mental health. I’m genuinely not trying to be pedantic as I do believe lockdowns were necessary and I certainly aren’t a conspiracy theorist but I don’t think we’ve seen all the fallout even now on young people. Only in 10-15 years will we really have a true measurement of the damage done by covid and lockdowns. Only then will we really have an answer. I think you are right. But I am sure social media and constant phone use will have a far greater negative impact on young people’s mental health than covid lockdown. Yet those anti lockdowners (not you) probably don’t care about that.
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Post by superjw on Feb 6, 2023 7:28:03 GMT
Given the obscene record breaking profits that every energy company has gloated about, it's a disgrace the government are allowing the price rises to continue again. This country has gone to the absolute pits
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Post by knype on Feb 6, 2023 7:59:07 GMT
I don’t disagree with that but having seen the impact of lockdown on kids first hand in recent months I think there’s also a case for looking at the damage it’s done and will do in the future in respect to mental health. I’m genuinely not trying to be pedantic as I do believe lockdowns were necessary and I certainly aren’t a conspiracy theorist but I don’t think we’ve seen all the fallout even now on young people. Only in 10-15 years will we really have a true measurement of the damage done by covid and lockdowns. Only then will we really have an answer. I think you are right. But I am sure social media and constant phone use will have a far greater negative impact on young people’s mental health than covid lockdown. Yet those anti lockdowners (not you) probably don’t care about that. Have you got children of school age?
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Feb 6, 2023 8:31:36 GMT
because it's a shit profession now with so much pressure a few I know are working at Sainsbury's distribution at stoke on about same pay without the stress. Sainsbury’s are a private company, it’s up to them what they pay their staff and I’m sure they don’t simply sail through a days work either. I’ve absolutely no problem with nurses wanting improved pay whatsoever, they do a great job but it has to be relative to the rest of the country otherwise it leads to everyone else saying they need a rise comparable to nurses. At the end of the day it’s a chosen vocation, I’m sure they’re informed of their wage structure before being employed and accepting the job. I’m absolutely in favour of nurses in particular to get a fair pay rise but where does it stop? Every other profession will eventually tailgate onto it and right now this country needs some economic stability. If only nurses, and other public sector workers, did get a pay rise relative to the rest of the country...as they sail lazily through a day's work... www.statista.com/statistics/800658/wage-growth-uk-by-industry-sector/
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Post by oggyoggy on Feb 6, 2023 8:37:16 GMT
I think you are right. But I am sure social media and constant phone use will have a far greater negative impact on young people’s mental health than covid lockdown. Yet those anti lockdowners (not you) probably don’t care about that. Have you got children of school age? I have a 7 year old, a 3and a half year old and a 4 month old. The 7 year old thrived during covid. As my wife is a key worker (you wouldn’t know it as she has been “rewarded” with only a 3% pay rise as a government lawyer) he stayed at school for 2 days a week. The middle one was tiny when lockdown started. He has taken longer to adjust to sharing for example. I am much more concerned about social media and phone usage when they are older. The government refuses to regulate big tech and allows unchecked and aggressive capitalism to continue regardless as to the incredibly negative consequences on children.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 6, 2023 9:19:24 GMT
The Tories failing the military as ever
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Post by knype on Feb 6, 2023 9:28:43 GMT
Have you got children of school age? I have a 7 year old, a 3and a half year old and a 4 month old. The 7 year old thrived during covid. As my wife is a key worker (you wouldn’t know it as she has been “rewarded” with only a 3% pay rise as a government lawyer) he stayed at school for 2 days a week. The middle one was tiny when lockdown started. He has taken longer to adjust to sharing for example. I am much more concerned about social media and phone usage when they are older. The government refuses to regulate big tech and allows unchecked and aggressive capitalism to continue regardless as to the incredibly negative consequences on children. My eldest missed his A Level exmas and was marked down which meant he lost his place at his No1 Uni Choice. My Daughter was doing her GCSE's and the online working was next to useless! I agree social media can be bad but it can also be for the good
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Feb 6, 2023 10:51:32 GMT
Who said it was a conspiracy? You said nhs staff had empty wards and were bored during covid. If true, then thousands of nhs staff must have been in on it, pretending covid was killing people and overwhelming the nhs, when really they were all dancing about doing nothing. Indeed he did, along with the death of children being amusing.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 6, 2023 10:59:13 GMT
I don’t disagree with that but having seen the impact of lockdown on kids first hand in recent months I think there’s also a case for looking at the damage it’s done and will do in the future in respect to mental health. I’m genuinely not trying to be pedantic as I do believe lockdowns were necessary and I certainly aren’t a conspiracy theorist but I don’t think we’ve seen all the fallout even now on young people. Only in 10-15 years will we really have a true measurement of the damage done by covid and lockdowns. Only then will we really have an answer. I think you are right. But I am sure social media and constant phone use will have a far greater negative impact on young people’s mental health than covid lockdown. Yet those anti lockdowners (not you) probably don’t care about that. I think the problem with lockdown was people became even more reliant on social media rather than proper interaction. It’s a vicious circle.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Feb 6, 2023 11:43:16 GMT
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Post by Veritas on Feb 6, 2023 12:50:45 GMT
It's not misleading it's a lie, but what is the surprise in that?
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Feb 6, 2023 13:57:47 GMT
The good thing about Boris Johnson is that we all know he lies every time he says anything. Whatever he says, the opposite is true.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Feb 6, 2023 17:53:19 GMT
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Post by toppercorner on Feb 6, 2023 19:14:36 GMT
truss, what a fucking idiot. But bizarrely the comeback is on (in the media) for both boris and truss. Lets see who's thick enough to fall for it.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Feb 6, 2023 21:31:17 GMT
truss, what a fucking idiot. But bizarrely the comeback is on (in the media) for both boris and truss. Lets see who's thick enough to fall for it. Oh, millions potentially. It's quite astonishing that, while the country lurches from crisis to crisis, and ordinary people struggle to exist in Tory Britain 2023, these proven useless twats piss about behind the scenes, plotting with newspaper proprietors how they might get back to some semblance of power. The very definition of fiddling while Rome burns.
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Post by OldStokie on Feb 6, 2023 21:47:29 GMT
Truss is genuinely delusional. I watched her on a podcast with the BBC wallahs and couldn't believe the bullshit she was coming out with. She was talking about her childhood and saying she was always thinking outside the box and loved experimenting. Well, her 'experimenting' has just cost the country billions and many working folk are now paying for her 'experiment'. And let's never forget that this idiot was elected by about 100,000 Conservatives who live in their own insulated world just like her. And now she's tried to blame her downfall on everybody else except the lunatics in the asylum. She hasn't shown an ounce of remorse. I won't say what I'd like to do with her but her head would end up in a basket if I had my way.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 6, 2023 23:13:01 GMT
Truss is genuinely delusional. I watched her on a podcast with the BBC wallahs and couldn't believe the bullshit she was coming out with. She was talking about her childhood and saying she was always thinking outside the box and loved experimenting. Well, her 'experimenting' has just cost the country billions and many working folk are now paying for her 'experiment'. And let's never forget that this idiot was elected by about 100,000 Conservatives who live in their own insulated world just like her. And now she's tried to blame her downfall on everybody else except the lunatics in the asylum. She hasn't shown an ounce of remorse. I won't say what I'd like to do with her but her head would end up in a basket if I had my way. OS. I'd forgotten about that toe curling pause of hers, she carries about as much gravitas as a dead pigeon, as she walks straight into the obvious trap being set. She hasn't even got the intelligence to realise that she needs to arm herself with an answer to the most obvious question she is going to be asked. She is so staggeringly out of her depth, it's genuinely terrifying to think she was actually PM of our nation. She should be in hiding, not giving interviews about a come back. Really, she needs to just fuck the fuck off and live with her shame quietly!
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 6, 2023 23:59:10 GMT
Truss is genuinely delusional. I watched her on a podcast with the BBC wallahs and couldn't believe the bullshit she was coming out with. She was talking about her childhood and saying she was always thinking outside the box and loved experimenting. Well, her 'experimenting' has just cost the country billions and many working folk are now paying for her 'experiment'. And let's never forget that this idiot was elected by about 100,000 Conservatives who live in their own insulated world just like her. And now she's tried to blame her downfall on everybody else except the lunatics in the asylum. She hasn't shown an ounce of remorse. I won't say what I'd like to do with her but her head would end up in a basket if I had my way. OS. I'd forgotten about that toe curling pause of hers, she carries about as much gravitas as a dead pigeon, as she walks straight into the obvious trap being set. She hasn't even got the intelligence to realise that she needs to arm herself with an answer to the most obvious question she is going to be asked. She is so staggeringly out of her depth, it's genuinely terrifying to think she was actually PM of our nation. She should be in hiding, not giving interviews about a come back. Really, she needs to just fuck the fuck off and live with her shame quietly! The Nathan Jones of politics. Well she must have done well at some point in her political career other wise she wouldn’t have taken charge of a country that was once great but finding it increasingly difficult to get back on the top table
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 7, 2023 3:41:54 GMT
Well she must have done well at some point in her political career other wise she wouldn’t have taken charge of a country that was once great I'm all ears Badge ...
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Post by wannabee on Feb 7, 2023 5:09:18 GMT
I'd forgotten about that toe curling pause of hers, she carries about as much gravitas as a dead pigeon, as she walks straight into the obvious trap being set. She hasn't even got the intelligence to realise that she needs to arm herself with an answer to the most obvious question she is going to be asked. She is so staggeringly out of her depth, it's genuinely terrifying to think she was actually PM of our nation. She should be in hiding, not giving interviews about a come back. Really, she needs to just fuck the fuck off and live with her shame quietly! The Nathan Jones of politics. Well she must have done well at some point in her political career other wise she wouldn’t have taken charge of a country that was once great but finding it increasingly difficult to get back on the top table I think you may have a point here and it would be churlish to dismiss her merely as an opportunist Liz firstly overcame the distinct disadvantage of being born into a Lefty Family who insisted she attended CND Protests and was subjected to a Comprehensive Education When it became time for her to "Go up to Oxford " and join her Mathematics Professor Father she had become a Liberal. And who can ever forget her memorable Anti-Monarchy speech to the Liberal Party Conference as a Student After leaving University her ideologies had matured and she became a Conservative and gave an outstanding speech to the Conservative Party Conference on the merits of Cheese She also can not be accused of lack of determination At the third attempt she succeeded in becoming an MP. "The Party" recognising they had a future superstar in their midst asked Mark Field MP to mentor the budding Liz It was perhaps circumstances which threw the married pair into having an affair. Liz's Marriage survived but alas Mark's didn't But do not be too sorry for Mark as he soon married Victoria Elphicke MP.. Victoria had recently became an MP in succession to her Husband Charlie Elphicke MP whom she had divorced as at the time he was incarcerated at Her Majesty's Pleasure having been convicted of Sexual offences against his staff. One of Charlie's unfortunate employees had been chased around his Westminster Office by an aroused Charlie shouting "I'm a naughty Tory, I'm a naughty Tory" But back to Liz, as a committed Remainer she saw the error of her ways and pivoted to become a rabid Brexiteer much to the delight of the ERG and the Party faithful who voted for her to become PM because she wasn't err Rishi Sunak www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/uk-liz-truss-brexit-eu-b1986692.htmlIt was perhaps a Masterstroke when as PM she appointed Kwasi Kwarteng, another of her ex lovers as Chancellor. The fact that Liz and Kwasi were "getting it on" had come as a surprise to Home Secretary Amber Rudd who herself was having an affair with Kwasi until she returned home to find the pair "in flagrante" Some might say that Liz's sacking of Kwasi while he was out of the Country a vain effort to save her Political Career. I like to think of it as a selfless act to save the Country after the "Mini-Budget" had cost the Exchequer Billions and International Humiliation So what of a Liz comeback? Why not? What could possibly go wrong?
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Feb 7, 2023 7:44:19 GMT
They are taking the piss.....
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Feb 7, 2023 8:20:41 GMT
Truss is genuinely delusional. I watched her on a podcast with the BBC wallahs and couldn't believe the bullshit she was coming out with. She was talking about her childhood and saying she was always thinking outside the box and loved experimenting. Well, her 'experimenting' has just cost the country billions and many working folk are now paying for her 'experiment'. And let's never forget that this idiot was elected by about 100,000 Conservatives who live in their own insulated world just like her. And now she's tried to blame her downfall on everybody else except the lunatics in the asylum. She hasn't shown an ounce of remorse. I won't say what I'd like to do with her but her head would end up in a basket if I had my way. OS. I'd forgotten about that toe curling pause of hers, she carries about as much gravitas as a dead pigeon, as she walks straight into the obvious trap being set. She hasn't even got the intelligence to realise that she needs to arm herself with an answer to the most obvious question she is going to be asked. She is so staggeringly out of her depth, it's genuinely terrifying to think she was actually PM of our nation. She should be in hiding, not giving interviews about a come back. Really, she needs to just fuck the fuck off and live with her shame quietly! Spot on. She became PM because just 80,000 people said so. 80,000 rather odd, out of touch people who wouldn't know (or care) what the real world was like if it came up and introduced itself. And bang on with your last sentence, that's exactly what she should be doing. For a reference of how to do it, see John Profumo, who resigned for shagging someone who was connected to the Russians. Ironically, two things that didn't matter in the slightest to another recent, useless Conservative PM: fidelity and Russian connections, which shows how far the Tories have driven down political standards recently. Profumo lived a quiet life devoted to charitable causes for the remainder of his time on the planet. Johnson and Truss would do well to fuck off and do the same.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Feb 7, 2023 9:48:05 GMT
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 7, 2023 10:49:11 GMT
If Sunak had any balls he'd rid the cabinet of nut jobs like Braverman and Badenoch whilst the right of the party are weakest..........
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Feb 7, 2023 10:52:28 GMT
If Sunak had any balls he'd rid the cabinet of nut jobs like Braverman and Badenoch whilst the right of the party are weakest.......... Agreed...highly unlikely he will though.
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Post by wannabee on Feb 7, 2023 11:03:49 GMT
Spot on. She became PM because just 80,000 people said so. 80,000 rather odd, out of touch people who wouldn't know (or care) what the real world was like if it came up and introduced itself. And bang on with your last sentence, that's exactly what she should be doing. For a reference of how to do it, see John Profumo, who resigned for shagging someone who was connected to the Russians. Ironically, two things that didn't matter in the slightest to another recent, useless Conservative PM: fidelity and Russian connections, which shows how far the Tories have driven down political standards recently. Profumo lived a quiet life devoted to charitable causes for the remainder of his time on the planet. Johnson and Truss would do well to fuck off and do the same. Well you would say that, wouldn't you?
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Feb 7, 2023 13:11:16 GMT
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