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Post by Veritas on Oct 18, 2022 7:12:15 GMT
With a Daily Mail headline of "In Office, But Not In Power" she is a gonner.
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 18, 2022 7:57:39 GMT
With a Daily Mail headline of "In Office, But Not In Power" she is a gonner. That’s the same paper that greeted her mini-budget with triumph and fanfare. Surely nobody with more than 2 brain cells reads that scummy rag anymore? |
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Post by superjw on Oct 18, 2022 7:59:17 GMT
They must be hoping enough of the country suffer from Stockholm Syndrome between now and the general election They will be alright then, because most of the country already does |
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Post by wagsastokie on Oct 18, 2022 8:00:08 GMT
With a Daily Mail headline of "In Office, But Not In Power" she is a gonner. That’s the same paper that greeted her mini-budget with triumph and fanfare. Surely nobody with more than 2 brain cells reads that scummy rag anymore? You’d be surprised Apparently people still buy the guardian well share it round their soy latte shop |
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Post by Veritas on Oct 18, 2022 8:02:44 GMT
With a Daily Mail headline of "In Office, But Not In Power" she is a gonner. That’s the same paper that greeted her mini-budget with triumph and fanfare. Surely nobody with more than 2 brain cells reads that scummy rag anymore? Unfortunately with The Sun and The Mail being the top two selling papers many people do not only read them and believe what they read. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 18, 2022 8:11:59 GMT
That’s the same paper that greeted her mini-budget with triumph and fanfare. Surely nobody with more than 2 brain cells reads that scummy rag anymore? You’d be surprised Apparently people still buy the guardian well share it round their soy latte shop The Guardian. You mean the paper that is consistently ranked the most accurate and the most trusted newspaper? The most decorated newspaper at the most recent British Journalism Awards? That paper? Are you really comparing that to the Daily Mail which has faced multiple legal battles it lost on breaches of privacy and, currently, its owner, Associated Newspapers, is in legal proceedings over phone hacking? I don’t know what soy lattes have to do with anything. Do you stand by the Mail, then? Which version? The one championing Truss and her government for her budget? Or the one hammering it for the exact same budget? The Guardian was highly critical of the budget. It certainly got that one right. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 18, 2022 8:13:09 GMT
That’s the same paper that greeted her mini-budget with triumph and fanfare. Surely nobody with more than 2 brain cells reads that scummy rag anymore? Unfortunately with The Sun and The Mail being the top two selling papers many people do not only read them and believe what they read. You can’t believe the Mail though. Else you would have to simultaneously believe that Truss’ budget was brilliant and awful!? Because that’s what the Mail has said in the last few weeks. |
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Oct 18, 2022 8:25:00 GMT
why should people on benefits have there benefits increased with the rise of inflation...I work my bollocks of every week and I haven't...and I hate this government btw Because, for example, at the moment if you care for your disabled wife, husband or child for over 35 hours a week (so in all likelihood cannot work full time as well) you currently get only £69.70 a week. If you care for them for only 30 hours a week you get nothing. That’s less than £2 an hour and you cannot easily work full time on the side as you need to sleep too. Imagine how much money that carer saves the state? Does that carer not work their bollocks off? Despite what the Daily Mail says, the majority of benefits claimants work. The majority are English. The majority would love to not claim benefits and have a higher salary. Taxing millionaires 1% of their wealth (excluding their family home of course) each year would raise many millions more than the cost of increasing benefits by inflation. Indeed. I find it odd that folk who would regard poverty and squalor as a feature of 'third world shitholes' seemingly want to inflict more of it on their own country. Or folk who argue against overseas aid on the basis that 'charity begins at home' then don't want to spend it at home either. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 18, 2022 8:31:55 GMT
You’d be surprised Apparently people still buy the guardian well share it round their soy latte shop The Guardian. You mean the paper that is consistently ranked the most accurate and the most trusted newspaper? The most decorated newspaper at the most recent British Journalism Awards? That paper? Are you really comparing that to the Daily Mail which has faced multiple legal battles it lost on breaches of privacy and, currently, its owner, Associated Newspapers, is in legal proceedings over phone hacking? I don’t know what soy lattes have to do with anything. Do you stand by the Mail, then? Which version? The one championing Truss and her government for her budget? Or the one hammering it for the exact same budget? The Guardian was highly critical of the budget. It certainly got that one right. Of course he is. This is just another version of "they're all the same, you know". |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 18, 2022 8:37:34 GMT
20 Apr - Johnson vows to lead the Conservatives into the next election and on into the 2030s.
7 July - resigns.
11 Oct - Kwarteng insists he's going nowhere.
14 Oct - sacked.
18 Oct - Truss promises to lead the Tories into the next general election...
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Oct 18, 2022 8:43:54 GMT
So, Truss says she'll lead the Tories into the next election. Good news if you're the Opposition! In reality that can only mean two things: going by recent Tory statements, she'll be gone before Christmas or she'll be the least visible PM in history from now until the GE. Can you imagine her fronting a GE campaign...! She'll be kept as far away from the press and public as possible and only allowed out for heavily scripted press statements. I would not be surprised to see 'deputies' regularly taking PMQs... Or she's about to call a GE. Which they might want to do while there's still the slightest glimmer of a chance of them being the opposition. |
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Post by yeokel on Oct 18, 2022 9:23:43 GMT
So, Truss says she'll lead the Tories into the next election. Good news if you're the Opposition! In reality that can only mean two things: going by recent Tory statements, she'll be gone before Christmas or she'll be the least visible PM in history from now until the GE. Can you imagine her fronting a GE campaign...! She'll be kept as far away from the press and public as possible and only allowed out for heavily scripted press statements. I would not be surprised to see 'deputies' regularly taking PMQs... Or she's about to call a GE. Which they might want to do while there's still the slightest glimmer of a chance of them being the opposition. There’s a thought. It could be very interesting if the Tories sank so low that the SNP became the official opposition. Although, can you imagine Ian Blackford at PMQs? |
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Oct 18, 2022 9:47:28 GMT
Or she's about to call a GE. Which they might want to do while there's still the slightest glimmer of a chance of them being the opposition. There’s a thought. It could be very interesting if the Tories sank so low that the SNP became the official opposition. Although, can you imagine Ian Blackford at PMQs? I actually quite liked Blackford's eviscerations of Johnson. Far more pithy and amusing than Starmer. Of more concern would be that you'd have an opposition which would abstein on any matters that didn't affect Scotland! |
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Post by essexstokey on Oct 18, 2022 10:04:00 GMT
Or she's about to call a GE. Which they might want to do while there's still the slightest glimmer of a chance of them being the opposition. There’s a thought. It could be very interesting if the Tories sank so low that the SNP became the official opposition. Although, can you imagine Ian Blackford at PMQs? Even bigger thought if SNP are official opposition where would all the labour mps sit 😁😁 |
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Post by phileetin on Oct 18, 2022 10:39:04 GMT
There’s a thought. It could be very interesting if the Tories sank so low that the SNP became the official opposition. Although, can you imagine Ian Blackford at PMQs? Even bigger thought if SNP are official opposition where would all the labour mps sit 😁😁 i can't see how the snp will outnumber the labour mps cos the snp don't contest seats in england , and don't forget the irish , welsh , greens and lib dems will need some seats on that side of the house as well.  |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 18, 2022 10:48:14 GMT
So, Truss says she'll lead the Tories into the next election. Good news if you're the Opposition! In reality that can only mean two things: going by recent Tory statements, she'll be gone before Christmas or she'll be the least visible PM in history from now until the GE. Can you imagine her fronting a GE campaign...! She'll be kept as far away from the press and public as possible and only allowed out for heavily scripted press statements. I would not be surprised to see 'deputies' regularly taking PMQs... Or she's about to call a GE. Which they might want to do while there's still the slightest glimmer of a chance of them being the opposition. I can't see it, tbh. If the polls are anywhere near accurate, you're talking about a wipe-out of some big names and the loss of about 250 MPs. Even if you accept that the polls are probably overstating the real picture, they're still onto a big defeat. My feeling is she'll try to cling on in the hope that simply by being there things improve over time. It's pretty much rock bottom right now. We can tell that by the fact that FYD is nowhere to be seen  , so there is some sense in thinking that the only way is up from where they are. That said, being a lame duck waiting for the chop for the next couple of years isn't a good look either. If the Tories can find a unity candidate in the next couple of weeks she'll be booted out. If not, they may price in electoral defeat in two years time, leave her there and hope to sideline her as much as possible for the duration. I can't see the media or Labour allowing that to happen though. And there's the additional worry about what kind of 'scorched earth' policies the Tories will implement until the election. |
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Post by Veritas on Oct 18, 2022 11:01:15 GMT
Even bigger thought if SNP are official opposition where would all the labour mps sit 😁😁 i can't see how the snp will outnumber the labour mps cos the snp don't contest seats in england , and don't forget the irish , welsh , greens and lib dems will need some seats on that side of the house as well. ?? If Labour win the election the Tories move over to share the opposition benches with the SNP etc. |
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Post by wagsastokie on Oct 18, 2022 11:15:34 GMT
Or she's about to call a GE. Which they might want to do while there's still the slightest glimmer of a chance of them being the opposition. I can't see it, tbh. If the polls are anywhere near accurate, you're talking about a wipe-out of some big names and the loss of about 250 MPs. Even if you accept that the polls are probably overstating the real picture, they're still onto a big defeat. My feeling is she'll try to cling on in the hope that simply by being there things improve over time. It's pretty much rock bottom right now. We can tell that by the fact that FYD is nowhere to be seen , so there is some sense in thinking that the only way is up from where they are. That said, being a lame duck waiting for the chop for the next couple of years isn't a good look either. If the Tories can find a unity candidate in the next couple of weeks she'll be booted out. If not, they may price in electoral defeat in two years time, leave her there and hope to sideline her as much as possible for the duration. I can't see the media or Labour allowing that to happen though. And there's the additional worry about what kind of 'scorched earth' policies the Tories will implement until the election. Pretty much spot on You can probably put your money on a unity candidate being found there’s nothing like the potential to lose around ninety odd grand a year plus expenses to concentrate the mind |
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Oct 18, 2022 11:52:03 GMT
Or she's about to call a GE. Which they might want to do while there's still the slightest glimmer of a chance of them being the opposition. I can't see it, tbh. If the polls are anywhere near accurate, you're talking about a wipe-out of some big names and the loss of about 250 MPs. Even if you accept that the polls are probably overstating the real picture, they're still onto a big defeat. My feeling is she'll try to cling on in the hope that simply by being there things improve over time. It's pretty much rock bottom right now. We can tell that by the fact that FYD is nowhere to be seen , so there is some sense in thinking that the only way is up from where they are. That said, being a lame duck waiting for the chop for the next couple of years isn't a good look either. If the Tories can find a unity candidate in the next couple of weeks she'll be booted out. If not, they may price in electoral defeat in two years time, leave her there and hope to sideline her as much as possible for the duration. I can't see the media or Labour allowing that to happen though. And there's the additional worry about what kind of 'scorched earth' policies the Tories will implement until the election. I can't see it either. But the only way she's going to be leader for the next election is if it happens this side of Christmas. |
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Post by wagsastokie on Oct 18, 2022 12:05:22 GMT
Bit of a conundrum tomorrow for starmer with PMQ ‘s
Does he act as a statesman and the good of the country
Nail mad Lizzie to the cross and get two more years of potentially a stable leader cutting labours current lead
Or does he concentrate on labours fortunes and give her a relatively easy ride and allow her to limp on till the next election
Thus maximising labours potential majority
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Post by wannabee on Oct 18, 2022 12:14:26 GMT
They must be hoping enough of the country suffer from Stockholm Syndrome between now and the general election Funny you should say that as every time I see Truss in a Public Speaking situation she comes across like a zombie eyed Hostage reading from a prepared speech appealing for the Ransom to be paid for her Release |
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Post by Gawa on Oct 18, 2022 12:40:26 GMT
Or she's about to call a GE. Which they might want to do while there's still the slightest glimmer of a chance of them being the opposition. There’s a thought. It could be very interesting if the Tories sank so low that the SNP became the official opposition. Although, can you imagine Ian Blackford at PMQs? IAN Blackford is my favourite person at PMQs, such as character. Should be in pantomime, the man's wasted. |
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Post by knype on Oct 18, 2022 12:44:33 GMT
There’s a thought. It could be very interesting if the Tories sank so low that the SNP became the official opposition. Although, can you imagine Ian Blackford at PMQs? IAN Blackford is my favourite person at PMQs, such as character. Should be in pantomime, the man's wasted. He'd be better off in the circus, the man is a clown |
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Post by Gawa on Oct 18, 2022 12:45:03 GMT
Bit of a conundrum tomorrow for starmer with PMQ ‘s Does he act as a statesman and the good of the country Nail mad Lizzie to the cross and get two more years of potentially a stable leader cutting labours current lead Or does he concentrate on labours fortunes and give her a relatively easy ride and allow her to limp on till the next election Thus maximising labours potential majority So whether Liz Truss stays in power or not is all down to Starmer at PMQs lol? Do you really think the Tories are so dysfunctional now that the leader of the opposition has more control over who their leader is than their majority in the house. Many of which have been there for 12 years or more. I think if we're at the stage were Starmer has more power over the Tories than all their members together then it doesn't make a blind bit of difference what he does. As the party must already be is disarray and the worst its ever been. |
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Post by Gawa on Oct 18, 2022 12:47:17 GMT
IAN Blackford is my favourite person at PMQs, such as character. Should be in pantomime, the man's wasted. He'd be better off in the circus, the man is a clown Why's that? |
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Post by thewonderstuff on Oct 18, 2022 12:47:37 GMT
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Post by wagsastokie on Oct 18, 2022 12:48:07 GMT
Bit of a conundrum tomorrow for starmer with PMQ ‘s Does he act as a statesman and the good of the country Nail mad Lizzie to the cross and get two more years of potentially a stable leader cutting labours current lead Or does he concentrate on labours fortunes and give her a relatively easy ride and allow her to limp on till the next election Thus maximising labours potential majority So whether Liz Truss stays in power or not is all down to Starmer at PMQs lol? Do you really think the Tories are so dysfunctional now that the leader of the opposition has more control over who their leader is than their majority in the house. Many of which have been there for 12 years or more. Yes He gives her a relatively easy ride tomorrow she’ll survive to the mini budget and then who knows a fortnight in politics is a long time He goes for the kill she’ll be gone by Thursday morning Interesting times |
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Post by wagsastokie on Oct 18, 2022 12:50:00 GMT
He'd be better off in the circus, the man is a clown Why's that? Maybe the best option would be for him to retire to his humble Croft |
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Post by andystokey on Oct 18, 2022 12:53:18 GMT
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Post by Gawa on Oct 18, 2022 13:01:22 GMT
So whether Liz Truss stays in power or not is all down to Starmer at PMQs lol? Do you really think the Tories are so dysfunctional now that the leader of the opposition has more control over who their leader is than their majority in the house. Many of which have been there for 12 years or more. Yes He gives her a relatively easy ride tomorrow she’ll survive to the mini budget and then who knows a fortnight in politics is a long time He goes for the kill she’ll be gone by Thursday morning Interesting times Well then the tory party is dead and buried no matter what happens really. Would you ever vote for a tory government that's controlled by the Labour leader and his actions? No coming back from that. Even with a new leader you can't recover from that, that's a party which stands for nothing. |
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, so there is some sense in thinking that the only way is up from where they are.
