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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 16, 2022 21:13:31 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 16, 2022 21:15:42 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 16, 2022 22:06:09 GMT
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Oct 16, 2022 22:19:30 GMT
Anti-growth coalition seems to be popular. |
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Post by Veritas on Oct 16, 2022 22:43:38 GMT
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Post by essexstokey on Oct 17, 2022 8:08:08 GMT
Wonder how many times I'll have to link another one bites the dust 😁😁😁🤣🤣🤣😁😁😁
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 17, 2022 8:10:23 GMT
Can someone please explain why Starmer has not tabled a motion of no confidence in the government? It would likely fail, but at least it forces Tories to publicly support a government led by a PM they have no confidence in, in defiance of public opinion which overwhelmingly favours an election. On the off chance enough tories abstain, we get an election.
Surely better to try that than allow another entirely undemocratic tory regicide which will come at the same time as their 1922 committee changes the rules to prevent tory members having a say.
Or is Starmer waiting for the opportune political moment so tories are seen by the public to be choosing selfish self preservation over the democratic will of the people in the form of a general election to elect our next leader?
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Post by wannabee on Oct 17, 2022 9:40:26 GMT
Can someone please explain why Starmer has not tabled a motion of no confidence in the government? It would likely fail, but at least it forces Tories to publicly support a government led by a PM they have no confidence in, in defiance of public opinion which overwhelmingly favours an election. On the off chance enough tories abstain, we get an election. Surely better to try that than allow another entirely undemocratic tory regicide which will come at the same time as their 1922 committee changes the rules to prevent tory members having a say. Or is Starmer waiting for the opportune political moment so tories are seen by the public to be choosing selfish self preservation over the democratic will of the people in the form of a general election to elect our next leader? "Never interrupt your Enemy while he's making a mistake" Napoleon You've answered your own question It would only hand the Tory's a Victory by having them rally round the Leader. Much better to observe from the sidelines and watch as they tear each other apart |
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 17, 2022 9:47:48 GMT
Can someone please explain why Starmer has not tabled a motion of no confidence in the government? It would likely fail, but at least it forces Tories to publicly support a government led by a PM they have no confidence in, in defiance of public opinion which overwhelmingly favours an election. On the off chance enough tories abstain, we get an election. Surely better to try that than allow another entirely undemocratic tory regicide which will come at the same time as their 1922 committee changes the rules to prevent tory members having a say. Or is Starmer waiting for the opportune political moment so tories are seen by the public to be choosing selfish self preservation over the democratic will of the people in the form of a general election to elect our next leader? "Never interrupt your Enemy while he's making a mistake" Napoleon You've answered your own question It would only hand the Tory's a Victory by having them rally round the Leader. Much better to observe from the sidelines and watch as they tear each other apart But the tearing apart will end soon (or at least lessen with the U turns). Labour can use the backing of Truss against every tory that votes for her on leaflets at the next election. Labour will never be as high in the polls as they are now again before the next election. I think they should do it. |
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Post by essexstokey on Oct 17, 2022 9:56:16 GMT
Can someone please explain why Starmer has not tabled a motion of no confidence in the government? It would likely fail, but at least it forces Tories to publicly support a government led by a PM they have no confidence in, in defiance of public opinion which overwhelmingly favours an election. On the off chance enough tories abstain, we get an election. Surely better to try that than allow another entirely undemocratic tory regicide which will come at the same time as their 1922 committee changes the rules to prevent tory members having a say. Or is Starmer waiting for the opportune political moment so tories are seen by the public to be choosing selfish self preservation over the democratic will of the people in the form of a general election to elect our next leader? Last time he did the Tories refused it only to a few days later put a no confidence vote in themselves If he gets thrbtuming wrong it would have s unifying effect on the Torie party the best for opposition is to watch and wait and see the blue on blue action destroy the Tories from within |
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Post by BuzzB on Oct 17, 2022 10:02:17 GMT
the two year energy price freeze to go then, froze until April only.
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Oct 17, 2022 10:07:12 GMT
the two year energy price freeze to go then, froze until April only. We are fucked part 3472 |
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Post by wannabee on Oct 17, 2022 10:14:07 GMT
"Never interrupt your Enemy while he's making a mistake" Napoleon You've answered your own question It would only hand the Tory's a Victory by having them rally round the Leader. Much better to observe from the sidelines and watch as they tear each other apart But the tearing apart will end soon (or at least lessen with the U turns). Labour can use the backing of Truss against every tory that votes for her on leaflets at the next election. Labour will never be as high in the polls as they are now again before the next election. I think they should do it. Liz Truss will be a mere Anecdote and be long gone by the time the Next Election comes around She will be kept in post until the 31st October Shitshow is announced and be forced to "Own it" Soon after she will be offered the proverbial Revolver and Whisky or the alternative of being voted out. More Labour MPs voted against Iraq War (including Jeremy Corbyn) than any other group but inconvenient facts get "overlooked " in MSN |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 17, 2022 10:19:52 GMT
Can someone please explain why Starmer has not tabled a motion of no confidence in the government? It would likely fail, but at least it forces Tories to publicly support a government led by a PM they have no confidence in, in defiance of public opinion which overwhelmingly favours an election. On the off chance enough tories abstain, we get an election. Surely better to try that than allow another entirely undemocratic tory regicide which will come at the same time as their 1922 committee changes the rules to prevent tory members having a say. Or is Starmer waiting for the opportune political moment so tories are seen by the public to be choosing selfish self preservation over the democratic will of the people in the form of a general election to elect our next leader? "Never interrupt your Enemy while he's making a mistake" Napoleon You've answered your own question It would only hand the Tory's a Victory by having them rally round the Leader. Much better to observe from the sidelines and watch as they tear each other apart That's true, but very much a Pyrrhic victory - yay, we've won this confidence vote, oh shit we've given Liz Truss our backing....which might be beneficial ultimately for Labour. If they subsequently got rid of her, that would look ridiculous; if they kept her, they'll have to support her publicly, she'll continue to be a lame duck incompetent PM and that also looks ridiculous. I get Oggy's thinking. But yes, Labour's best course of action at the moment is to allow the government to carry on being shit, work on its own policies and be prepared to present them, fully costed, when the inevitable question "what would you do differently" is posed. |
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Post by essexstokey on Oct 17, 2022 10:21:26 GMT
The ladys just for u turning !!
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 17, 2022 10:26:38 GMT
She's got to resign - it's clear she's not running the government anymore.
Embarrassing stuff, which could get more embarrassing still if she subsequently tries to claim she's in charge...
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 17, 2022 10:27:17 GMT
There’s no way she can carry on now surely 🤔Lame duck
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Oct 17, 2022 10:28:48 GMT
Gone by tea time hopefully
Got to be a GE, this is an absolute fucking farce!
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Post by wagsastokie on Oct 17, 2022 10:32:46 GMT
Never really took to the fellow
But I thought hunt actually came across at least vaguely competent
I think calming this shit show down is probably going to enhance his political ambitions
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Post by ChesterStokie on Oct 17, 2022 10:37:06 GMT
Really good statement from Jeremy Hunt. Exactly what was needed.
It throws Liz Truss under the bus of course, but who cares about that?
A lot for Labour to think about here as well. Fiscal responsibility is the name of the game now.
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Post by Gawa on Oct 17, 2022 10:38:19 GMT
Can someone please explain why Starmer has not tabled a motion of no confidence in the government? It would likely fail, but at least it forces Tories to publicly support a government led by a PM they have no confidence in, in defiance of public opinion which overwhelmingly favours an election. On the off chance enough tories abstain, we get an election. Surely better to try that than allow another entirely undemocratic tory regicide which will come at the same time as their 1922 committee changes the rules to prevent tory members having a say. Or is Starmer waiting for the opportune political moment so tories are seen by the public to be choosing selfish self preservation over the democratic will of the people in the form of a general election to elect our next leader? Last time he did the Tories refused it only to a few days later put a no confidence vote in themselves If he gets thrbtuming wrong it would have s unifying effect on the Torie party the best for opposition is to watch and wait and see the blue on blue action destroy the Tories from within The rules of the 1922 Committee need to be changed first before any no confidence vote can be tabled. As far as I'm aware the rules only allow them to lodge a no confidence vote once the Pm has been in power for a year. |
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Oct 17, 2022 10:39:01 GMT
Never really took to the fellow But I thought hunt actually came across at least vaguely competent I think calming this shit show down is probably going to enhance his political ambitions Calming the shitshow = telling everyone their energy bills are going through the roof again in April. |
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Post by wagsastokie on Oct 17, 2022 10:46:44 GMT
Never really took to the fellow But I thought hunt actually came across at least vaguely competent I think calming this shit show down is probably going to enhance his political ambitions Calming the shitshow = telling everyone their energy bills are going through the roof again in April. No he didn’t say that He stated there will be review into which way to proceed after April With the possibility of more targeted help to those in most need possibly at the expense of those who can most afford it Redistribution of wealth what’s not to like |
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Post by knype on Oct 17, 2022 10:56:36 GMT
Never really took to the fellow But I thought hunt actually came across at least vaguely competent I think calming this shit show down is probably going to enhance his political ambitions Calming the shitshow = telling everyone their energy bills are going through the roof again in April. Labour's plan was only until April too? |
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Post by PotteringThrough on Oct 17, 2022 10:58:48 GMT
PAYE fucked up the arse again, wouldn't be surprised if i dont' end up paying more in tax. The whole things a fucking scam. Same shit,difrent day. “What we’ve done is capped energy prices….” Repeat ad nauseam Oh bloody hell, Liz, what are you going to say now when anyone asks you a question - you’ve taken your own crutch away… |
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Post by 828492 on Oct 17, 2022 11:00:28 GMT
“The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.”
― John Kenneth Galbraith
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Post by Gob Bluth on Oct 17, 2022 11:00:44 GMT
Calming the shitshow = telling everyone their energy bills are going through the roof again in April. No he didn’t say that He stated there will be review into which way to proceed after April With the possibility of more targeted help to those in most need possibly at the expense of those who can most afford it Redistribution of wealth what’s not to like On the what's not to like there's a possibility that some of the Tory MPs won't like it. The reversal of tax cuts are actually tax rises and putting to one side the validity of it they could claim that with the tax burden so high it's not ideal. Re the energy bills I wonder whether there could be a solution where the help is stopped over summer and only kicks in over winter. |
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Post by adri2008 on Oct 17, 2022 11:06:24 GMT
Never really took to the fellow But I thought hunt actually came across at least vaguely competent I think calming this shit show down is probably going to enhance his political ambitions Calming the shitshow = telling everyone their energy bills are going through the roof again in April. I thought this was reasonable depending on how the further help is targeted of course. Summer months are usually a lot cheaper for households so gives the government the best part of a year to do whatever is necessary to get prices down to more reasonable rates (whether a year is long enough is another matter). |
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Post by Gob Bluth on Oct 17, 2022 11:18:57 GMT
While we scrapping stupid ideas Truss has blurted out can we look at re-using solar power especially if we're realised that the energy crisis could rumble on for years?
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 17, 2022 11:22:12 GMT
But the tearing apart will end soon (or at least lessen with the U turns). Labour can use the backing of Truss against every tory that votes for her on leaflets at the next election. Labour will never be as high in the polls as they are now again before the next election. I think they should do it. Liz Truss will be a mere Anecdote and be long gone by the time the Next Election comes around She will be kept in post until the 31st October Shitshow is announced and be forced to "Own it" Soon after she will be offered the proverbial Revolver and Whisky or the alternative of being voted out. More Labour MPs voted against Iraq War (including Jeremy Corbyn) than any other group but inconvenient facts get "overlooked " in MSN The chance has gone now anyway as Hunt has binned the mini budget and the markets have stabilised somewhat. I don’t think Truss is going anywhere for now. Which is probably a good thing for us members of the anti-growth coalition. |
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