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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 17, 2022 11:26:56 GMT
Calming the shitshow = telling everyone their energy bills are going through the roof again in April. Labour's plan was only until April too? The Tories are yet again copying Labour policy. Labour having already copied it first from the lib dems of course! Windfall tax and capping the energy prices - both Lib Dem policies before anybody else. |
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Post by wannabee on Oct 17, 2022 11:30:55 GMT
"Never interrupt your Enemy while he's making a mistake" Napoleon You've answered your own question It would only hand the Tory's a Victory by having them rally round the Leader. Much better to observe from the sidelines and watch as they tear each other apart That's true, but very much a Pyrrhic victory - yay, we've won this confidence vote, oh shit we've given Liz Truss our backing....which might be beneficial ultimately for Labour. If they subsequently got rid of her, that would look ridiculous; if they kept her, they'll have to support her publicly, she'll continue to be a lame duck incompetent PM and that also looks ridiculous. I get Oggy's thinking. But yes, Labour's best course of action at the moment is to allow the government to carry on being shit, work on its own policies and be prepared to present them, fully costed, when the inevitable question "what would you do differently" is posed. I got Oggy's point but in my view it'd be like try to kill a Dead Parrot and suffer a needless defeat and a distraction If she somehow survives against all odds to lead the Tory's into Next Election then I will be wrong |
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Oct 17, 2022 11:36:25 GMT
Calming the shitshow = telling everyone their energy bills are going through the roof again in April. No he didn’t say that He stated there will be review into which way to proceed after April With the possibility of more targeted help to those in most need possibly at the expense of those who can most afford it Redistribution of wealth what’s not to like The people in charge of it. |
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Post by FullerMagic on Oct 17, 2022 11:36:37 GMT
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Post by wannabee on Oct 17, 2022 11:37:18 GMT
Last time he did the Tories refused it only to a few days later put a no confidence vote in themselves If he gets thrbtuming wrong it would have s unifying effect on the Torie party the best for opposition is to watch and wait and see the blue on blue action destroy the Tories from within The rules of the 1922 Committee need to be changed first before any no confidence vote can be tabled. As far as I'm aware the rules only allow them to lodge a no confidence vote once the Pm has been in power for a year. The one thing the Tory's excell at is Breaking the Rules This won't be an issue when the time is expedient |
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Post by andystokey on Oct 17, 2022 11:44:55 GMT
So to remind everyone, we are pretty much back to where we were before she came into power.
Except billions leaked out of the treasury and the BoE into private hands.
Ronnie Biggs likes this^^
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Post by essexstokey on Oct 17, 2022 11:47:56 GMT
No he didn’t say that He stated there will be review into which way to proceed after April With the possibility of more targeted help to those in most need possibly at the expense of those who can most afford it Redistribution of wealth what’s not to like On the what's not to like there's a possibility that some of the Tory MPs won't like it. The reversal of tax cuts are actually tax rises and putting to one side the validity of it they could claim that with the tax burden so high it's not ideal. Re the energy bills I wonder whether there could be a solution where the help is stopped over summer and only kicks in over winter.[/quote4] Or they could just scrap the 5 % tax on energy |
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Post by wannabee on Oct 17, 2022 11:50:53 GMT
Calming the shitshow = telling everyone their energy bills are going through the roof again in April. Labour's plan was only until April too? Which goes to show why Labour are often reluctant to unveil there ideas as the Tory's who have no ideas just steal them Windfall Tax - Check ✔ Energy Cap - Check ✔ Limited to April - Check ✔ Inciteful of you to recognise it |
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Post by essexstokey on Oct 17, 2022 11:51:59 GMT
So to remind everyone, we are pretty much back to where we were before she came into power. Except billions leaked out of the treasury and the BoE into private hands. Ronnie Biggs likes this^^ With higher mortgage rates a crippling increase in govt borrowing rates all trust gone internationally And another useless PM |
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Post by knype on Oct 17, 2022 11:59:08 GMT
Labour's plan was only until April too? Which goes to show why Labour are often reluctant to unveil there ideas as the Tory's who have no ideas just steal them Windfall Tax - Check ✔ Energy Cap - Check ✔ Limited to April - Check ✔ Inciteful of you to recognise it But it's being used as a stick to beat the Tory party saying it's not enough? |
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Post by essexstokey on Oct 17, 2022 11:59:34 GMT
Speculation this morning if they call an election it may be 12 years out of power if not it could be 20
Either way the Tories are stuffed but they won't mind sitting on their I'll gotten gains on the tax havens round the world
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Post by Gawa on Oct 17, 2022 12:12:05 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 17, 2022 12:13:39 GMT
Hunt is now effectively PM. He came 7th in the leadership election.
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Post by Gawa on Oct 17, 2022 12:14:42 GMT
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Post by Gawa on Oct 17, 2022 12:15:04 GMT
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Post by PotteringThrough on Oct 17, 2022 12:17:17 GMT
Bankers bonuses are staying, thank goodness…
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Post by Veritas on Oct 17, 2022 12:21:56 GMT
Bankers bonuses are staying, thank goodness… Yes we couldn't have them struggling |
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Post by Gawa on Oct 17, 2022 12:24:51 GMT
Everybody is talking about the mini budget u-turn but nobody is mentioning the u-turn on public spending.
This was only last week during PMQ's
Looking forward to her getting grilled again on that at PMQ's this week.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 17, 2022 12:27:16 GMT
Apparently the speaker has granted Labour an Emergency Question to be asked PRIOR to Hunt's speech.
I think this is quite a clever move from Starmer, Truss was obviously hoping that Hunt would shield her this afternoon.
Now she's going to have to respond to the question, if she sends out a junior minister to deal with it, then she will in effect be announcing her resignation.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2022 12:28:10 GMT
Bankers bonuses are staying, thank goodness… phew! those poor bankers don't know if they're coming or going. |
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Post by Veritas on Oct 17, 2022 12:28:48 GMT
Everybody is talking about the mini budget u-turn but nobody is mentioning the u-turn on public spending. This was only last week during PMQ's Looking forward to her getting grilled again on that at PMQ's this week. PMQ's will need to be reclassified as a blood sport. |
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Post by wannabee on Oct 17, 2022 12:29:27 GMT
Which goes to show why Labour are often reluctant to unveil there ideas as the Tory's who have no ideas just steal them Windfall Tax - Check ✔ Energy Cap - Check ✔ Limited to April - Check ✔ Inciteful of you to recognise it But it's being used as a stick to beat the Tory party saying it's not enough? Surely even you are not so ill informed that you are failing to understand that its the initial rejection of these policies before then adopting them which is resulting DERISION What is causing REAL ANGER is the other Policies they dreamed up all by themselves for the Benefit of The Rich which has caused Mortgage Interest Rates to Triple |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 17, 2022 12:42:45 GMT
Apparently the speaker has granted Labour an Emergency Question to be asked PRIOR to Hunt's speech. I think this is quite a clever move from Starmer, Truss was obviously hoping that Hunt would shield her this afternoon. Now she's going to have to respond to the question, if she sends out a junior minister to deal with it, then she will in effect be announcing her resignation. Thought the same, it's all very well the chancellor coming along afterwards but first we have the PM trying to explain why almost everything she based her leadership campaign on has now been binned and why that isn't a resigning matter... ...the Tories are in a very tricky place. The electorate won't put up with Truss at the next election, they'll resoundingly kick her out, she's absolutely finished with voters. So how does the parliamentary party get rid of her, and quickly and painlessly anoint someone else? If Hunt gets it and appoints his own Cabinet, it could be the final acknowledgement of the damage that the Brexit wing of the party has done to the UK over the last decade or so. And hopefully the back of loons like Rees-Mogg, Zahawi, Braverman, Dorries et al. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 17, 2022 12:43:35 GMT
Labour's plan was only until April too? Which goes to show why Labour are often reluctant to unveil there ideas as the Tory's who have no ideas just steal them Windfall Tax - Check ✔ Energy Cap - Check ✔ Limited to April - Check ✔ Inciteful of you to recognise it The first two were stolen by labour from the lib dems. |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 17, 2022 12:46:10 GMT
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 17, 2022 12:48:58 GMT
So to remind everyone, we are pretty much back to where we were before she came into power. Except billions leaked out of the treasury and the BoE into private hands. Ronnie Biggs likes this^^ Her government should have to persuade refund the taxpayers |
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Post by spitthedog on Oct 17, 2022 12:49:47 GMT
This lot take WTF to a whole new level.
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Post by Gawa on Oct 17, 2022 12:50:57 GMT
Some "leader"
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 17, 2022 12:51:20 GMT
Apparently the speaker has granted Labour an Emergency Question to be asked PRIOR to Hunt's speech. I think this is quite a clever move from Starmer, Truss was obviously hoping that Hunt would shield her this afternoon. Now she's going to have to respond to the question, if she sends out a junior minister to deal with it, then she will in effect be announcing her resignation. Thought the same, it's all very well the chancellor coming along afterwards but first we have the PM trying to explain why almost everything she based her leadership campaign on has now been binned and why that isn't a resigning matter... ...the Tories are in a very tricky place. The electorate won't put up with Truss at the next election, they'll resoundingly kick her out, she's absolutely finished with voters. So how does the parliamentary party get rid of her, and quickly and painlessly anoint someone else? If Hunt gets it and appoints his own Cabinet, it could be the final acknowledgement of the damage that the Brexit wing of the party has done to the UK over the last decade or so. And hopefully the back of loons like Rees-Mogg, Zahawi, Braverman, Dorries et al. BBC NEWS JUST: Truss is refusing to answer the question and will send a minister to do so instead. Just what is the point of the PM if she's going to hide away on a day when her signature policy has been thrown in the bin? If she can't own her own actions in the HOC, how on earth can she have any credibility on the world stage? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2022 12:54:13 GMT
fucking hell, this is quite the monologue.
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