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Post by prestwichpotter on Oct 10, 2022 11:32:53 GMT
Quite right there is already more than enough for everyone to have a decent share.
i dont mind everybody having a decent share of the pot as long as everybody puts the same effort in creating the pot .
"Same effort" Who works a harder a minimum wage carer in an old peoples home or a banker crunching numbers for a living? |
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Post by andystokey on Oct 10, 2022 11:59:35 GMT
GDP is not the same as wealth. Isn’t that the precise problem with the “growth, growth, growth” strategy? I don’t care if GDP rises because the biggest 100 companies here are doing well. I want to see the poor getting richer and inequality decreasing as a result. Sadly as I suspect you already know. The Institute for Economic Affairs (an influential lobby group) behind the Truss Kwarteng strategy are on record, even on YouTube in person, stating; "Inequality is irrelevant "Inequality is good Tufton Street has no interest in such things. Neither it seems does HMG. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 10, 2022 12:16:22 GMT
i dont mind everybody having a decent share of the pot as long as everybody puts the same effort in creating the pot .
"Same effort" Who works a harder a minimum wage carer in an old peoples home or a banker crunching numbers for a living? Always enjoyed the fact that, during the pandemic, "key workers" were the ones we relied on to keep society going and made ourselves feel better about by having a nice round of applause for, while paying them some of the lowest salaries. You don't hear the term key workers so much these days now they actually want pay rises which reflect the cost of living....funny that... |
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Post by dexter97 on Oct 10, 2022 12:26:24 GMT
"Same effort" Who works a harder a minimum wage carer in an old peoples home or a banker crunching numbers for a living? Always enjoyed the fact that, during the pandemic, "key workers" were the ones we relied on to keep society going and made ourselves feel better about by having a nice round of applause for, while paying them some of the lowest salaries. You don't hear the term key workers so much these days now they actually want pay rises which reflect the cost of living....funny that... While the issue of value creation is complex, there’s no doubt that an increasing number of us are employed in ‘bullshit jobs’. If we downed-tools (or laptops), it’d probably be several weeks before most people even noticed; it certainly wouldn’t precipitate the collapse of civilised society. The real problem with that is it’s the bullshit jobs that pay the higher salaries. Many hoped that when Covid was over, the experience would've prompted some kind of a reset in the way we think about who’s worth what to society, and that we’d start to recognise and reward people for the contribution they make. It was never going to happen, was it? Once again our lords and masters use every device at their disposal to try to persuade us that they really are worth every penny, and everybody else has to fight over the crumbs. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 10, 2022 12:30:31 GMT
Talking of key workers, I see that barristers have accepted a 15% pay rise offer from the government and, as such, will no longer be striking.
I wonder what people who drive trains and nurses will be offered, by way of comparison?
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Post by prestwichpotter on Oct 10, 2022 12:45:52 GMT
Always enjoyed the fact that, during the pandemic, "key workers" were the ones we relied on to keep society going and made ourselves feel better about by having a nice round of applause for, while paying them some of the lowest salaries. You don't hear the term key workers so much these days now they actually want pay rises which reflect the cost of living....funny that... While the issue of value creation is complex, there’s no doubt that an increasing number of us are employed in ‘bullshit jobs’. If we downed-tools (or laptops), it’d probably be several weeks before most people even noticed; it certainly wouldn’t precipitate the collapse of civilised society. The real problem with that is it’s the bullshit jobs that pay the higher salaries. Many hoped that when Covid was over, the experience would've prompted some kind of a reset in the way we think about who’s worth what to society, and that we’d start to recognise and reward people for the contribution they make. It was never going to happen, was it? Once again our lords and masters use every device at their disposal to try to persuade us that they really are worth every penny, and everybody else has to fight over the crumbs. This is a decent read....  |
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Post by yeokel on Oct 10, 2022 13:05:21 GMT
evonomics.com/why-garbage-men-should-earn-more-than-bankers/?fbclid=IwAR3V_FBQ3WwrdQ3VWB-TVt3TWbM4YquxYfAOk8lPrRa8jbQuChxiXwuaUEAWhile the issue of value creation is complex, there’s no doubt that an increasing number of us are employed in ‘bullshit jobs’. If we downed-tools (or laptops), it’d probably be several weeks before most people even noticed; it certainly wouldn’t precipitate the collapse of civilised society. The real problem with that is it’s the bullshit jobs that pay the higher salaries. Many hoped that when Covid was over, the experience would've prompted some kind of a reset in the way we think about who’s worth what to society, and that we’d start to recognise and reward people for the contribution they make. It was never going to happen, was it? Once again our lords and masters use every device at their disposal to try to persuade us that they really are worth every penny, and everybody else has to fight over the crumbs. This is a decent read.... What on Earth inspired them to put Owen Jones’ name on the front? |
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Post by dutchstokie on Oct 10, 2022 13:14:42 GMT
Still would.....  |
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Oct 10, 2022 13:17:34 GMT
This is a decent read.... What on Earth inspired them to put Owen Jones’ name on the front?[/quote The 'Farage of the left' is Owen. Usually comes out with one or two sentient points throughout the year whilst the rest is unrelenting bollocks. |
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Post by phileetin on Oct 10, 2022 13:21:44 GMT
Talking of key workers, I see that barristers have accepted a 15% pay rise offer from the government and, as such, will no longer be striking. I wonder what people who drive trains and nurses will be offered, by way of comparison? how many of the train strikers drive trains and how many wave flags on the platform.
to be a bit facetious (sp ) apart from start and stop , what do train drivers do ?
how many nurses work and how many just turn up , speaking ( a lot ) from experience there are quite a few of the latter ( particularly night shifts ) .
and if you're gonna die in hospital it'll be at night or weekends , guarantee it .
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 10, 2022 13:35:34 GMT
Still would..... Me too |
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Post by yeswilko on Oct 10, 2022 13:50:45 GMT
Talking of key workers, I see that barristers have accepted a 15% pay rise offer from the government and, as such, will no longer be striking. I wonder what people who drive trains and nurses will be offered, by way of comparison? how many of the train strikers drive trains and how many wave flags on the platform. to be a bit facetious (sp ) apart from start and stop , what do train drivers do ?
how many nurses work and how many just turn up , speaking ( a lot ) from experience there are quite a few of the latter ( particularly night shifts ) . and if you're gonna die in hospital it'll be at night or weekends , guarantee it .
Oh wow... and you work your arse off 12 hours a day 7 days a week yeah? |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 10, 2022 13:55:53 GMT
What on Earth inspired them to put Owen Jones’ name on the front? The 'Farage of the left' is Owen. Usually comes out with one or two sentient points throughout the year whilst the rest is unrelenting bollocks. There was a good article in yesterday's Observer which essentially said that activists like Jones and those similarly on "the Left" would be better off outside Labour in their own party under a PR system of representation, akin to Die Linke in Germany, which has a more moderate SDP taking the role of a more centre-left Labour party. Of course, PR needs to come first! |
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Post by phileetin on Oct 10, 2022 14:38:30 GMT
how many of the train strikers drive trains and how many wave flags on the platform. to be a bit facetious (sp ) apart from start and stop , what do train drivers do ?
how many nurses work and how many just turn up , speaking ( a lot ) from experience there are quite a few of the latter ( particularly night shifts ) . and if you're gonna die in hospital it'll be at night or weekends , guarantee it .
Oh wow... and you work your arse off 12 hours a day 7 days a week yeah? i'm certainly no shirker.
brought up on council estate , passed 11+ ,didn't go university , had a job since 17 , worked full time and had part time job at nights / weekends at pub cos pay in full time job was crap , and studied at nights as well .
got qualified , still work equiv of 6 days a week ( 7days a week dec / january.
worked full time throughout covid even though being treated for cancer for last 5 years .
so basically , fuck off
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Post by yeswilko on Oct 10, 2022 15:40:58 GMT
Oh wow... and you work your arse off 12 hours a day 7 days a week yeah? i'm certainly no shirker. brought up on council estate , passed 11+ ,didn't go university , had a job since 17 , worked full time and had part time job at nights / weekends at pub cos pay in full time job was crap , and studied at nights as well . got qualified , still work equiv of 6 days a week ( 7days a week dec / january. worked full time throughout covid even though being treated for cancer for last 5 years . so basically , fuck off
So you feel you've had it hard and lash out at others who you feel have an easy ride... and you're including nurses in this column of "shirkers". |
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 10, 2022 16:38:55 GMT
Oh wow... and you work your arse off 12 hours a day 7 days a week yeah? i'm certainly no shirker. brought up on council estate , passed 11+ ,didn't go university , had a job since 17 , worked full time and had part time job at nights / weekends at pub cos pay in full time job was crap , and studied at nights as well . got qualified , still work equiv of 6 days a week ( 7days a week dec / january. worked full time throughout covid even though being treated for cancer for last 5 years . so basically , fuck off
So you work hard, and perhaps don’t get paid what your hard work deserves (hence working 6 days a week and a second jobs for more money in the evenings). So why are you a fan of a system that rewards hedge fund managers every week more than most earn in a year, and all they are doing is moving money around. Shouldn’t your anger be directed at the hedge fund managers making millions betting against the British economy rather than nurses who work very long hours (including night shifts which are proven to shorten your life expectancy) for comparatively not much pay. Hedge fund managers got much more than a 10% pay rise off the back of Kwarteng and Truss crashing the pound, I can tell you. And they don’t need the 10% pay rise. Most nurses could really do with it. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 10, 2022 16:52:40 GMT
i'm certainly no shirker. brought up on council estate , passed 11+ ,didn't go university , had a job since 17 , worked full time and had part time job at nights / weekends at pub cos pay in full time job was crap , and studied at nights as well . got qualified , still work equiv of 6 days a week ( 7days a week dec / january. worked full time throughout covid even though being treated for cancer for last 5 years . so basically , fuck off
So you work hard, and perhaps don’t get paid what your hard work deserves (hence working 6 days a week and a second jobs for more money in the evenings). So why are you a fan of a system that rewards hedge fund managers every week more than most earn in a year, and all they are doing is moving money around.Shouldn’t your anger be directed at the hedge fund managers making millions betting against the British economy rather than nurses who work very long hours (including night shifts which are proven to shorten your life expectancy) for comparatively not much pay. Hedge fund managers got much more than a 10% pay rise off the back of Kwarteng and Truss crashing the pound, I can tell you. And they don’t need the 10% pay rise. Most nurses could really do with it. Because the right, and their client media, put an awful lot of work into getting ordinary working class people like phileetin to blame other ordinary working class people, along with migrants, asylum seekers, benefits fraudsters etc for all the woes of the country. Alongside that, they work equally hard at making sure ordinary working class people look up to the royals, the landed gentry and the rich and don't question too hard whether things could actually be done more fairly, more equitably. |
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Post by yeswilko on Oct 10, 2022 17:01:34 GMT
Oh wow... and you work your arse off 12 hours a day 7 days a week yeah? i'm certainly no shirker. brought up on council estate , passed 11+ ,didn't go university , had a job since 17 , worked full time and had part time job at nights / weekends at pub cos pay in full time job was crap , and studied at nights as well . got qualified , still work equiv of 6 days a week ( 7days a week dec / january. worked full time throughout covid even though being treated for cancer for last 5 years . so basically , fuck off
By the way, I'm sorry to hear you've had to go through cancer treatment sir and I wish you all the best. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2022 17:21:33 GMT
Tory's keep Tory'ing
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 10, 2022 18:07:20 GMT
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Oct 10, 2022 18:47:54 GMT
So you work hard, and perhaps don’t get paid what your hard work deserves (hence working 6 days a week and a second jobs for more money in the evenings). So why are you a fan of a system that rewards hedge fund managers every week more than most earn in a year, and all they are doing is moving money around.Shouldn’t your anger be directed at the hedge fund managers making millions betting against the British economy rather than nurses who work very long hours (including night shifts which are proven to shorten your life expectancy) for comparatively not much pay. Hedge fund managers got much more than a 10% pay rise off the back of Kwarteng and Truss crashing the pound, I can tell you. And they don’t need the 10% pay rise. Most nurses could really do with it. Because the right, and their client media, put an awful lot of work into getting ordinary working class people like phileetin to blame other ordinary working class people, along with migrants, asylum seekers, benefits fraudsters etc for all the woes of the country. Alongside that, they work equally hard at making sure ordinary working class people look up to the royals, the landed gentry and the rich and don't question too hard whether things could actually be done more fairly, more equitably. In the end though it’s his opinion and he’s entitled to it whether you agree with it or not without getting a hard time. Right or wrongly I think there’s general perceptions of the 2 parties Tories - Give to the rich and take from the poor Labour - Take from the rich and give to the poor and those that don’t work and can. What we need is a party that gives to the hard working whether it’s physical and those that make money for others to benefit. Symplistic i guess. |
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Oct 10, 2022 18:48:37 GMT
The 'Farage of the left' is Owen. Usually comes out with one or two sentient points throughout the year whilst the rest is unrelenting bollocks. There was a good article in yesterday's Observer which essentially said that activists like Jones and those similarly on "the Left" would be better off outside Labour in their own party under a PR system of representation, akin to Die Linke in Germany, which has a more moderate SDP taking the role of a more centre-left Labour party. Of course, PR needs to come first! Exactly the reason I'm against PR 😁 |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 10, 2022 19:26:59 GMT
Because the right, and their client media, put an awful lot of work into getting ordinary working class people like phileetin to blame other ordinary working class people, along with migrants, asylum seekers, benefits fraudsters etc for all the woes of the country. Alongside that, they work equally hard at making sure ordinary working class people look up to the royals, the landed gentry and the rich and don't question too hard whether things could actually be done more fairly, more equitably. In the end though it’s his opinion and he’s entitled to it whether you agree with it or not without getting a hard time. Right or wrongly I think there’s general perceptions of the 2 parties Tories - Give to the rich and take from the poor Labour - Take from the rich and give to the poor and those that don’t work and can. What we need is a party that gives to the hard working whether it’s physical and those that make money for others to benefit. Symplistic i guess. Simplistic but entirely correct to the vast majority. |
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Post by knype on Oct 11, 2022 5:42:08 GMT
This is a decent read.... What on Earth inspired them to put Owen Jones’ name on the front? They know it'll attract a certain kind to read the book |
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Post by noustie on Oct 11, 2022 6:23:43 GMT
BoE saying guilts taking a twating as government economic policy continues to give the markets the shits.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 11, 2022 6:33:32 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 11, 2022 6:47:17 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 11, 2022 6:51:38 GMT
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Post by knype on Oct 11, 2022 6:52:13 GMT
This thread should be renamed
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Post by andystokey on Oct 11, 2022 7:07:01 GMT
This thread should be renamed How about the "anti growth coalition" thread? |
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