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Post by followyoudown on Aug 12, 2022 19:19:38 GMT
Now try googling operation aloft or even just reading the article you linked....this is the investigation I have always been on about dullard and dont waste your time yap yap yapping back....
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Post by prestwichpotter on Aug 12, 2022 21:30:20 GMT
As Truss gains in confidence she's starting to come out with some very disturbing rhetoric. This anti-semitism stuff with no evidence to back it up. The genie is out of the bottle when it comes to antisemitism now. Say something enough times and people start to believe……
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Post by wannabee on Aug 13, 2022 0:22:32 GMT
Now try googling operation aloft or even just reading the article you linked....this is the investigation I have always been on about dullard and dont waste your time yap yap yapping back.... Tick tick 3+ years £6M spent on investigation, and no sign of a charge. Meanwhile just from recent Conservative MPs deviant behaviour Imran Ahmed Khan : Sent to Jail for sexually abusing an young boy Neil Parish : Thought watching Porn in HoC was a good idea David Warburton : A series of sex allegations and Cocaine use Rob Roberts : Suspended from Parliament for 12 weeks but disgracefully restored as Tory MP after admitting sexual harassment of a Junior Male member of his staff Andrew Griffiths : Convicted in Court of Raping and Physically abusing his wife Not content with this he proceeded to send 2000 sexually explicit text messages to his constituents Charlie Elphicke: Convicted and Jailed for Sexually Assaulting 2 women. The first victim who was subjected to a "terrifying ordeal " when he chased her around his house chanting " I'm a Naughty Tory" Michael Fallon : Resigned as Defence Secretary after admitting making "unwelcome advances " towards a Journalist Is there a particular reason you associate with these deviants? Do you think it might be cathartic for you to seek help and discuss your unhealthy obsessive admiration towards these peculiar individuals?
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Post by oggyoggy on Aug 13, 2022 7:04:21 GMT
So you think someone earning 100k with no capital should pay more tax than a multi millionaire who has income of £100k from dividends and property income? That’s not really fair. There is no national insurance on dividends. Or on property income. No work required to receive income on dividends or property income. Generally people with lots of property and dividend income are very wealthy and should be taxed more, rather than taxing workers who do work as is the current situation. It’s unfair. You seem to prefer the tax burden being heaviest on the poor and workers, and less so on passive income which tends to go to wealthier people. I honestly dont care who pays the tax, I look at the total tax take, it seems like you don't understand the tax system, dividends can only be paid from taxable profits, that means any dividend someone receives has already had 19% corporation tax deducted - thats higher than the rate of the national insurance. Property income might be free of NI but you have to pay stamp duty (various rates) when you buy the property and capital gains tax (28%) on the profit when you sell it again more than NI. If you want to know what taxing dividends more has already done try googling, Gordon Brown did this and pretty much ended final salary schemes for everyone outside of the public sector. In 2016 the dividend tax credit was abolished and replaced with a much lower allowance meaning these people already pay more tax. So like I say we are still at the point that you believe other people should pay more whereas I accept higher and medium earners will have to be taxed more. Like I said, you don’t want the richest people to pay more tax
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Post by essexstokey on Aug 13, 2022 8:56:18 GMT
Now try googling operation aloft or even just reading the article you linked....this is the investigation I have always been on about dullard and dont waste your time yap yap yapping back.... Tick tick 3+ years £6M spent on investigation, and no sign of a charge. Meanwhile just from recent Conservative MPs deviant behaviour Imran Ahmed Khan : Sent to Jail for sexually abusing an young boy Neil Parish : Thought watching Porn in HoC was a good idea David Warburton : A series of sex allegations and Cocaine use Rob Roberts : Suspended from Parliament for 12 weeks but disgracefully restored as Tory MP after admitting sexual harassment of a Junior Male member of his staff Andrew Griffiths : Convicted in Court of Raping and Physically abusing his wife Not content with this he proceeded to send 2000 sexually explicit text messages to his constituents Charlie Elphicke: Convicted and Jailed for Sexually Assaulting 2 women. The first victim who was subjected to a "terrifying ordeal " when he chased her around his house chanting " I'm a Naughty Tory" Michael Fallon : Resigned as Defence Secretary after admitting making "unwelcome advances " towards a Journalist Is there a particular reason you associate with these deviants? Do you think it might be cathartic for you to seek help and discuss your unhealthy obsessive admiration towards these peculiar individuals? You missed one maybe 2 the mp charged with rape and abuse reported to be romford mp This could be him too or another mp using date rape drugs on other Male mps to erm rape them
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Post by wannabee on Aug 13, 2022 10:31:27 GMT
Your right Essex but there are so many it's hard to keep track
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Post by foster on Aug 13, 2022 10:34:33 GMT
Your right Essex but there are so many it's hard to keep track Raping people is something the Tories excel at.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 13, 2022 11:06:54 GMT
Interesting that last week the Daily Mail went big on migrants, today the Telegraph goes large on the home-working issue, featuring several local councils which are "allowing" their staff to work in locations other than their office bases.
I suspect this is more deflection away from energy bills, inflation, wages and the cost of living crisis.
Jacob Rees-Mogg (it's always Jacob Rees-Mogg, isn't it) said: "Councils must stop wasting money on poor working practices and shake themselves out of lockdown" [Don't think anyone disagrees with that, Jakey, but there's no evidence that home-working is a poor working practice, and plenty to the contrary, in fact]. "Those refusing to come to work or provide services in person are taking the public for a ride". But nobody is doing that, Jakey. All these councils have agile working practices while meeting their business needs.
Could this party appear more out of touch with real people's lives if they tried? What they are basically saying is this: "We know fuel bills are sky high at the moment and have been for months. We know inflation means your money is worth less. We know that you've had below inflation pay rises, if any, for the best part of a decade. However, you need to know your place. And that place is to do what we tell you to do, not what makes your life better in any way".
That's migrants and home-working covered. Expect some re-affirmation of the woke culture war bollocks and why the EU is to blame for everything in the next few weeks and months. You can see where this is heading.
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Post by followyoudown on Aug 13, 2022 11:27:00 GMT
Now try googling operation aloft or even just reading the article you linked....this is the investigation I have always been on about dullard and dont waste your time yap yap yapping back.... Tick tick 3+ years £6M spent on investigation, and no sign of a charge. Meanwhile just from recent Conservative MPs deviant behaviour Imran Ahmed Khan : Sent to Jail for sexually abusing an young boy Neil Parish : Thought watching Porn in HoC was a good idea David Warburton : A series of sex allegations and Cocaine use Rob Roberts : Suspended from Parliament for 12 weeks but disgracefully restored as Tory MP after admitting sexual harassment of a Junior Male member of his staff Andrew Griffiths : Convicted in Court of Raping and Physically abusing his wife Not content with this he proceeded to send 2000 sexually explicit text messages to his constituents Charlie Elphicke: Convicted and Jailed for Sexually Assaulting 2 women. The first victim who was subjected to a "terrifying ordeal " when he chased her around his house chanting " I'm a Naughty Tory" Michael Fallon : Resigned as Defence Secretary after admitting making "unwelcome advances " towards a Journalist Is there a particular reason you associate with these deviants? Do you think it might be cathartic for you to seek help and discuss your unhealthy obsessive admiration towards these peculiar individuals? Its almost like there could have been some sort of event going on that caused delays or perhaps that only affects Labour MPs making their earnings declarations. And then the yap yap yapping, never met any of those people, never defended them facing the consequences of their action even for you thats just a bit weird.......
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Post by followyoudown on Aug 13, 2022 11:28:02 GMT
Tick tick 3+ years £6M spent on investigation, and no sign of a charge. Meanwhile just from recent Conservative MPs deviant behaviour Imran Ahmed Khan : Sent to Jail for sexually abusing an young boy Neil Parish : Thought watching Porn in HoC was a good idea David Warburton : A series of sex allegations and Cocaine use Rob Roberts : Suspended from Parliament for 12 weeks but disgracefully restored as Tory MP after admitting sexual harassment of a Junior Male member of his staff Andrew Griffiths : Convicted in Court of Raping and Physically abusing his wife Not content with this he proceeded to send 2000 sexually explicit text messages to his constituents Charlie Elphicke: Convicted and Jailed for Sexually Assaulting 2 women. The first victim who was subjected to a "terrifying ordeal " when he chased her around his house chanting " I'm a Naughty Tory" Michael Fallon : Resigned as Defence Secretary after admitting making "unwelcome advances " towards a Journalist Is there a particular reason you associate with these deviants? Do you think it might be cathartic for you to seek help and discuss your unhealthy obsessive admiration towards these peculiar individuals? You missed one maybe 2 the mp charged with rape and abuse reported to be romford mp This could be him too or another mp using date rape drugs on other Male mps to erm rape them Now do grooming gangs, the councils and their officials who covered them up and are still trying too.
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Post by followyoudown on Aug 13, 2022 11:29:11 GMT
I honestly dont care who pays the tax, I look at the total tax take, it seems like you don't understand the tax system, dividends can only be paid from taxable profits, that means any dividend someone receives has already had 19% corporation tax deducted - thats higher than the rate of the national insurance. Property income might be free of NI but you have to pay stamp duty (various rates) when you buy the property and capital gains tax (28%) on the profit when you sell it again more than NI. If you want to know what taxing dividends more has already done try googling, Gordon Brown did this and pretty much ended final salary schemes for everyone outside of the public sector. In 2016 the dividend tax credit was abolished and replaced with a much lower allowance meaning these people already pay more tax. So like I say we are still at the point that you believe other people should pay more whereas I accept higher and medium earners will have to be taxed more. Like I said, you don’t want the richest people to pay more tax Who do you think higher earners are........
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Post by oggyoggy on Aug 13, 2022 12:05:15 GMT
You missed one maybe 2 the mp charged with rape and abuse reported to be romford mp This could be him too or another mp using date rape drugs on other Male mps to erm rape them Now do grooming gangs, the councils and their officials who covered them up and are still trying too. Why do you equate being in charge of a local council where there is a grooming gang with actually raping someone?
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Post by oggyoggy on Aug 13, 2022 12:13:41 GMT
Like I said, you don’t want the richest people to pay more tax Who do you think higher earners are........ The richest have capital that generates their income and don’t need to work to generate income m, and you don’t think they should be taxed as high as me, someone earning well but with little capital. That’s wrong. Just because i don’t have the bank of mum and dad it shouldn’t mean I should be unable to buy a house where I live whilst others with many properties or shareholdings get away with little tax. Individuals don’t pay corporation tax. The clue is in the name. Cgt is taxed very low and has loads of loopholes. As the article quoted by someone else above says, £120bn a year of extra tax could be raised by placing a minimum taxation level of 35% on those with highest income, including unearned income. Which means they are not being taxed that much currently if only taxing them at 35% could boost tax revenues by that amount. Imagine what an extra £120bn a year could be spent on? The NHS waiting list could be sorted, energy bills sorted, green energy investment (and nuclear), nationalise water companies etc etc. why do you oppose an extra £120bn a year from those who can comfortably afford it?
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Post by elystokie on Aug 13, 2022 12:17:22 GMT
Interesting that last week the Daily Mail went big on migrants, today the Telegraph goes large on the home-working issue, featuring several local councils which are "allowing" their staff to work in locations other than their office bases. I suspect this is more deflection away from energy bills, inflation, wages and the cost of living crisis. Jacob Rees-Mogg (it's always Jacob Rees-Mogg, isn't it) said: "Councils must stop wasting money on poor working practices and shake themselves out of lockdown" [Don't think anyone disagrees with that, Jakey, but there's no evidence that home-working is a poor working practice, and plenty to the contrary, in fact]. "Those refusing to come to work or provide services in person are taking the public for a ride". But nobody is doing that, Jakey. All these councils have agile working practices while meeting their business needs. Could this party appear more out of touch with real people's lives if they tried? What they are basically saying is this: "We know fuel bills are sky high at the moment and have been for months. We know inflation means your money is worth less. We know that you've had below inflation pay rises, if any, for the best part of a decade. However, you need to know your place. And that place is to do what we tell you to do, not what makes your life better in any way". That's migrants and home-working covered. Expect some re-affirmation of the woke culture war bollocks and why the EU is to blame for everything in the next few weeks and months. You can see where this is heading. Must be at least a year since we clamped down on drugs, that'll be a chunk of meat they throw out again soon.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 13, 2022 12:27:28 GMT
Interesting that last week the Daily Mail went big on migrants, today the Telegraph goes large on the home-working issue, featuring several local councils which are "allowing" their staff to work in locations other than their office bases. I suspect this is more deflection away from energy bills, inflation, wages and the cost of living crisis. Jacob Rees-Mogg (it's always Jacob Rees-Mogg, isn't it) said: "Councils must stop wasting money on poor working practices and shake themselves out of lockdown" [Don't think anyone disagrees with that, Jakey, but there's no evidence that home-working is a poor working practice, and plenty to the contrary, in fact]. "Those refusing to come to work or provide services in person are taking the public for a ride". But nobody is doing that, Jakey. All these councils have agile working practices while meeting their business needs. Could this party appear more out of touch with real people's lives if they tried? What they are basically saying is this: "We know fuel bills are sky high at the moment and have been for months. We know inflation means your money is worth less. We know that you've had below inflation pay rises, if any, for the best part of a decade. However, you need to know your place. And that place is to do what we tell you to do, not what makes your life better in any way". That's migrants and home-working covered. Expect some re-affirmation of the woke culture war bollocks and why the EU is to blame for everything in the next few weeks and months. You can see where this is heading. i’ve always enjoyed working in an office for various reasons. Easier to discuss things in person. More focussed No distraction Feels like a proper base Good for mental health to be around people I’m sure there’s counter arguments for all the above but I think a lot depends on what you’re doing as a job too. In my opinion there are some roles that shouldn’t be from home one being the council and the likes of housing in particular where they need to be meeting people face to face. If a meetings face - it looks like the person cares more. - People tend to be more honest because they’re not hiding behind a keyboard. That said with the price of petrol and train strikes I can see a case for splitting time between home and work. Back to the original point it shouldn’t be a deflection for the almighty cock up that is the govt.
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Post by lordb on Aug 13, 2022 13:41:07 GMT
Interesting that last week the Daily Mail went big on migrants, today the Telegraph goes large on the home-working issue, featuring several local councils which are "allowing" their staff to work in locations other than their office bases. I suspect this is more deflection away from energy bills, inflation, wages and the cost of living crisis. Jacob Rees-Mogg (it's always Jacob Rees-Mogg, isn't it) said: "Councils must stop wasting money on poor working practices and shake themselves out of lockdown" [Don't think anyone disagrees with that, Jakey, but there's no evidence that home-working is a poor working practice, and plenty to the contrary, in fact]. "Those refusing to come to work or provide services in person are taking the public for a ride". But nobody is doing that, Jakey. All these councils have agile working practices while meeting their business needs. Could this party appear more out of touch with real people's lives if they tried? What they are basically saying is this: "We know fuel bills are sky high at the moment and have been for months. We know inflation means your money is worth less. We know that you've had below inflation pay rises, if any, for the best part of a decade. However, you need to know your place. And that place is to do what we tell you to do, not what makes your life better in any way". That's migrants and home-working covered. Expect some re-affirmation of the woke culture war bollocks and why the EU is to blame for everything in the next few weeks and months. You can see where this is heading. i’ve always enjoyed working in an office for various reasons. Easier to discuss things in person. More focussed No distraction Feels like a proper base Good for mental health to be around people I’m sure there’s counter arguments for all the above but I think a lot depends on what you’re doing as a job too. In my opinion there are some roles that shouldn’t be from home one being the council and the likes of housing in particular where they need to be meeting people face to face. If a meetings face - it looks like the person cares more. - People tend to be more honest because they’re not hiding behind a keyboard. That said with the price of petrol and train strikes I can see a case for splitting time between home and work. Back to the original point it shouldn’t be a deflection for the almighty cock up that is the govt. I find commuting and working in the office worse for my mental health, its simply more stressful As it happens like many places I work a mixture of home and office which is probably sensible
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 13, 2022 13:55:28 GMT
i’ve always enjoyed working in an office for various reasons. Easier to discuss things in person. More focussed No distraction Feels like a proper base Good for mental health to be around people I’m sure there’s counter arguments for all the above but I think a lot depends on what you’re doing as a job too. In my opinion there are some roles that shouldn’t be from home one being the council and the likes of housing in particular where they need to be meeting people face to face. If a meetings face - it looks like the person cares more. - People tend to be more honest because they’re not hiding behind a keyboard. That said with the price of petrol and train strikes I can see a case for splitting time between home and work. Back to the original point it shouldn’t be a deflection for the almighty cock up that is the govt. I find commuting and working in the office worse for my mental health, its simply more stressful As it happens like many places I work a mixture of home and office which is probably sensible I guess ultimately we're all different. In the end it's the bosses that make the decisions and it's up to them to decide re the big 2 questions - Is output the same working from home as in the office. - Is the customer happy.
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Post by foster on Aug 13, 2022 15:19:59 GMT
I find commuting and working in the office worse for my mental health, its simply more stressful As it happens like many places I work a mixture of home and office which is probably sensible I guess ultimately we're all different. In the end it's the bosses that make the decisions and it's up to them to decide re the big 2 questions - Is output the same working from home as in the office. - Is the customer happy. I work from home and am more productive. Both in home life and work life.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 13, 2022 19:29:24 GMT
I find commuting and working in the office worse for my mental health, its simply more stressful As it happens like many places I work a mixture of home and office which is probably sensible I guess ultimately we're all different. In the end it's the bosses that make the decisions and it's up to them to decide re the big 2 questions - Is output the same working from home as in the office. - Is the customer happy. And surely ... is the employee happy?
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 13, 2022 19:44:55 GMT
I guess ultimately we're all different. In the end it's the bosses that make the decisions and it's up to them to decide re the big 2 questions - Is output the same working from home as in the office. - Is the customer happy. And surely ... is the employee happy? It’s important of course it is but if you’re the boss of a company i’d imagine it’s below profit / output - (its what keeps the business running and people in jobs) customer / client satisfaction - (if you’re not a profit making business). Then i’d imagine it’s employee happiness because of course a happy workplace can often lead to the top 2. I guess it’s about getting the balance right. Good and productive staff should be always rewarded handsomely in the same way that slackers (every office has them) shouldn’t. Lazy staff and those that rarely turn up can often create animosity from my experience. I’ve worked with people who go sick 50 percent of the time and get paid more than newer members of staff who are in every day because they play the system.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 13, 2022 19:57:10 GMT
It is up to the managers of the organisation, taking into account its business needs and the wishes of the employee.
What it isn't is for the govt (together with their client press) to make it sound like people are skiving purely because it suits their regular agenda of demonising someone, in this case local government workers, which is really all this is.
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Post by essexstokey on Aug 13, 2022 20:43:51 GMT
Wonder if anyone else has spotted this an increase of advertising of natwest looks like its going to be sold on the cheap to their Tory mates last act of a corrupt and desperate government to please their paymasters
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Post by andystokey on Aug 13, 2022 21:21:51 GMT
And surely ... is the employee happy? It’s important of course it is but if you’re the boss of a company i’d imagine it’s below profit / output - (its what keeps the business running and people in jobs) customer / client satisfaction - (if you’re not a profit making business). Then i’d imagine it’s employee happiness because of course a happy workplace can often lead to the top 2. I guess it’s about getting the balance right. Good and productive staff should be always rewarded handsomely in the same way that slackers (every office has them) shouldn’t. Lazy staff and those that rarely turn up can often create animosity from my experience. I’ve worked with people who go sick 50 percent of the time and get paid more than newer members of staff who are in every day because they play the system. Homeworking is a choice and a 1st world problem of a fraction of society usually in higher paid jobs. Sadly some tried working from home but the customers haven't really taken to having their bins emptied remotely, trains driven from bedrooms, or hip operations done on MS Teams. I know quiet a few businesses that have had to deal with the "what's in it for me?" issue when some of the workforce can work from home and others can't. A lot of these businesses have given those that can't work from home engineers, drivers etc. bonuses to compensate post Covid, but not all. The figures in this ONS study are enlightening from 2 years ago. The North South divide in particular and gender split is interesting. As is the wages, a massive disparity. " The median earnings of employees in the 20% of the workforce most likely to be able to work from home is £19.01, compared with £11.28 for workers in the 20% of workers in jobs least likely to be adaptable to home working.www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/employmentandemployeetypes/articles/whichjobscanbedonefromhome/2020-07-21
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Post by prestwichpotter on Aug 13, 2022 23:27:29 GMT
As Truss gains in confidence she's starting to come out with some very disturbing rhetoric. This anti-semitism stuff with no evidence to back it up. The Jewish organisations can’t get involved though apparently as it would prejudice the Tory leadership contest. I wonder if anyone is prepared to come out and admit they’ve been played like an absolute fiddle over the Labour antisemitism “crisis” yet.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2022 23:42:16 GMT
I worked with a woman for a year and never knew her real name, just referred to her as Madge as she looked like the character in the show Benidorm. Didn't help when everyone else nicknamed her Madge afterwards . Still no idea what she was called
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 14, 2022 8:18:09 GMT
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 14, 2022 8:21:04 GMT
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Post by essexstokey on Aug 14, 2022 9:30:02 GMT
Sleep Abuse other people Repeat Repeat and repeat again
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 14, 2022 9:55:20 GMT
Sleep Abuse other people Repeat Repeat and repeat again Ah, bless. The Limp Lettuce League is in session.
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Post by thewonderstuff on Aug 14, 2022 10:08:07 GMT
Are you saying that this sick Government covering up people literally starving to death because of their benefit policies is knicker wetting, PP?
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