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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 14, 2022 10:08:32 GMT
The free port shit they’re doing basically will take over a number of national parks and deregulate them. So fucking shady.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 14, 2022 12:04:55 GMT
Are you saying that this sick Government covering up people literally starving to death because of their benefit policies is knicker wetting, PP? He's stating that he doesn't care. I'm not in the least surprised.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 14, 2022 12:08:49 GMT
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Post by toppercorner on Aug 14, 2022 13:29:18 GMT
The free port shit they’re doing basically will take over a number of national parks and deregulate them. So fucking shady. time to build build build 'luxury' flats! No doubt the developers who get the rights to desecrate such areas are Tory donors. Who needs areas of outstanding natural beauty anymore anyway!
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Aug 14, 2022 13:43:53 GMT
The free port shit they’re doing basically will take over a number of national parks and deregulate them. So fucking shady. time to build build build 'luxury' flats! No doubt the developers who get the rights to desecrate such areas are Tory donors. Who needs areas of outstanding natural beauty anymore anyway! National Parks? Most of 'em are just fire hazards these days.
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Post by toppercorner on Aug 14, 2022 13:46:12 GMT
time to build build build 'luxury' flats! No doubt the developers who get the rights to desecrate such areas are Tory donors. Who needs areas of outstanding natural beauty anymore anyway! National Parks? Most of 'em are just fire hazards these days. sounds ideal for tory developers then! They seemed to have gotten away with Grenfell and all the other new builds that have been cladded with flammable materials.
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Post by essexstokey on Aug 14, 2022 14:07:30 GMT
Sleep Abuse other people Repeat Repeat and repeat again Ah, bless. The Limp Lettuce League is in session. Just proved my point Thank you 🤣🤣🤣
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 14, 2022 14:37:08 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 14, 2022 15:08:21 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 14, 2022 15:57:57 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 14, 2022 18:02:05 GMT
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 14, 2022 19:21:39 GMT
Jesus where will it end that’s terrible. The downside of giving pay increases I guess. Less hours at a higher wage. It’ll be the kids who suffer then indirectly there parents will too as they have to take time off work to look after there children.
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Post by oggyoggy on Aug 15, 2022 7:51:49 GMT
Jesus where will it end that’s terrible. The downside of giving pay increases I guess. Less hours at a higher wage. It’ll be the kids who suffer then indirectly there parents will too as they have to take time off work to look after there children. It’s the downside to high inflation and massive cuts to budgets, and a lack of investment in schools. Private schools shouldn’t be allowed to be charities, and should pay tax on their profits and that money could go back into the state system.
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 15, 2022 8:08:02 GMT
That is soooooooooooooooooooo funny.
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Post by oggyoggy on Aug 15, 2022 9:40:51 GMT
Starmer has been reading my posts on here and stealing my ideas! He’s smashed the tories out of the park. £1,000 saving per household by not raising the energy price cap, compared with tory policy of £400 off bills.
Starmer’s policy will help with inflation, reducing price rises across the board.
Much better than £1 a week more in your pocket (for those on minimum wage) with Truss’ nat insurance u turn!!
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 15, 2022 10:11:47 GMT
Starmer has been reading my posts on here and stealing my ideas! He’s smashed the tories out of the park. £1,000 saving per household by not raising the energy price cap, compared with tory policy of £400 off bills. Starmer’s policy will help with inflation, reducing price rises across the board. Much better than £1 a week more in your pocket (for those on minimum wage) with Truss’ nat insurance u turn!! The Tories will line up some no-mark junior ministers to dismiss it as grandstanding unworkable nonsense for a bit, then perform the usual U-turn and announce something similar as their own policy. Then people will complain that Starmer doesn't stand for anything or have any policies.
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 15, 2022 10:31:03 GMT
Starmer has been reading my posts on here and stealing my ideas! He’s smashed the tories out of the park. £1,000 saving per household by not raising the energy price cap, compared with tory policy of £400 off bills. Starmer’s policy will help with inflation, reducing price rises across the board. Much better than £1 a week more in your pocket (for those on minimum wage) with Truss’ nat insurance u turn!! The Tories will line up some no-mark junior ministers to dismiss it as grandstanding unworkable nonsense for a bit, then perform the usual U-turn and announce something similar as their own policy. Then people will complain that Starmer doesn't stand for anything or have any policies. The problem with this approach is, of course, it isn't progressive. Folk that can afford to pay the higher amount will get the benefit along with the people who cannot cope with the existing situation. In fact, the folk with the biggest home energy bills will be the biggest beneficiaries - which means the wealthiest in society. That seems unfair to me.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 15, 2022 10:35:39 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 15, 2022 10:39:00 GMT
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Post by thebet365 on Aug 15, 2022 10:40:02 GMT
Starmer has been reading my posts on here and stealing my ideas! He’s smashed the tories out of the park. £1,000 saving per household by not raising the energy price cap, compared with tory policy of £400 off bills. Starmer’s policy will help with inflation, reducing price rises across the board. Much better than £1 a week more in your pocket (for those on minimum wage) with Truss’ nat insurance u turn!! The national Insurance U turn is a gimmick anyway. It's only a temporary raise for 12 months then it goes back to normal anyway. It then becomes the new Health and social levy next year which everyone (Above the 12,570) is paying.
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Post by oggyoggy on Aug 15, 2022 12:30:25 GMT
The Tories will line up some no-mark junior ministers to dismiss it as grandstanding unworkable nonsense for a bit, then perform the usual U-turn and announce something similar as their own policy. Then people will complain that Starmer doesn't stand for anything or have any policies. The problem with this approach is, of course, it isn't progressive. Folk that can afford to pay the higher amount will get the benefit along with the people who cannot cope with the existing situation. In fact, the folk with the biggest home energy bills will be the biggest beneficiaries - which means the wealthiest in society. That seems unfair to me. You are right. But the counter argument is that by helping everyone it addresses inflation. Starmer has also said that the additional measures announced by Sunak for the poorest will be kept, so that the poorer households get more support than the rest. It is not a perfect policy. It is a million miles better than anything the tories have come up with.
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Post by wagsastokie on Aug 15, 2022 12:54:45 GMT
The problem with this approach is, of course, it isn't progressive. Folk that can afford to pay the higher amount will get the benefit along with the people who cannot cope with the existing situation. In fact, the folk with the biggest home energy bills will be the biggest beneficiaries - which means the wealthiest in society. That seems unfair to me. You are right. But the counter argument is that by helping everyone it addresses inflation. Starmer has also said that the additional measures announced by Sunak for the poorest will be kept, so that the poorer households get more support than the rest. It is not a perfect policy. It is a million miles better than anything the tories have come up with. Slightly disappointing and tepid after weeks of working out a alternative answer to the fuel crisis Starmer comes up with a rather expensive let’s kick the can down the road And takes the promised four hundred pounds off the poorest in society Since when has you’ll be ok with two thousand a year domestic fuel bill as long as we promise it won’t double until spring been classed as acceptable The vacuous fence sitting backstabbing charlatan hasn’t a socialist bone in his body
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 15, 2022 13:13:12 GMT
The problem with this approach is, of course, it isn't progressive. Folk that can afford to pay the higher amount will get the benefit along with the people who cannot cope with the existing situation. In fact, the folk with the biggest home energy bills will be the biggest beneficiaries - which means the wealthiest in society. That seems unfair to me. You are right. But the counter argument is that by helping everyone it addresses inflation. Starmer has also said that the additional measures announced by Sunak for the poorest will be kept, so that the poorer households get more support than the rest. It is not a perfect policy. It is a million miles better than anything the tories have come up with. It would be interesting to know how much of the £29 billion is going to people who really need it. I suspect less than £5 billion will be - probably a lot less than £5 billion.
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Post by oggyoggy on Aug 15, 2022 13:32:02 GMT
You are right. But the counter argument is that by helping everyone it addresses inflation. Starmer has also said that the additional measures announced by Sunak for the poorest will be kept, so that the poorer households get more support than the rest. It is not a perfect policy. It is a million miles better than anything the tories have come up with. Slightly disappointing and tepid after weeks of working out a alternative answer to the fuel crisis Starmer comes up with a rather expensive let’s kick the can down the road And takes the promised four hundred pounds off the poorest in society Since when has you’ll be ok with two thousand a year domestic fuel bill as long as we promise it won’t double until spring been classed as acceptable The vacuous fence sitting backstabbing charlatan hasn’t a socialist bone in his body His policy is far better than the tory policy. He takes away the £400 from every household and gives them £1000 instead, lowering inflation at the same time. The additional payments to the poorest remain and they will be on top of the price cap freeze. The poorest are many times better off with Starmer’s policy compared with the tories. Truss’ policy is to U turn on the NI increase, giving someone on minimum wage £1 a week more! Like I said, Starmer’s policy is not perfect, but at least it is something. Addressing energy prices can only be done by nationalising or, even better, by only using green or nuclear energy produced in this country. That will take years. Labour also want to insulate homes properly, something Miliband has been calling for for ages. The tories cannot be bothered, even though when the price cap rises, a properly insulated home could save the household up to £1000 a year apparently. So Labour aren’t perfect, but are lots better than the tories for immediate plans. What would you suggest could be done immediately to help which isn’t expensive, helps immediately with household budgets and also helps quell inflation for the next few months?
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Post by oggyoggy on Aug 15, 2022 13:35:15 GMT
You are right. But the counter argument is that by helping everyone it addresses inflation. Starmer has also said that the additional measures announced by Sunak for the poorest will be kept, so that the poorer households get more support than the rest. It is not a perfect policy. It is a million miles better than anything the tories have come up with. It would be interesting to know how much of the £29 billion is going to people who really need it. I suspect less than £5 billion will be - probably a lot less than £5 billion. You are plucking that £5bn number out of thin air. My household must change our way of living to deal with increased costs of energy and food and go without things we would like. And my household is probably in the top 5% of incomes. So if Starmer’s plan would make a big difference to my household, I suspect there are many more who it would be transformative for. It is miles ahead of anything the tories have announced.
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Post by wagsastokie on Aug 15, 2022 13:43:58 GMT
Slightly disappointing and tepid after weeks of working out a alternative answer to the fuel crisis Starmer comes up with a rather expensive let’s kick the can down the road And takes the promised four hundred pounds off the poorest in society Since when has you’ll be ok with two thousand a year domestic fuel bill as long as we promise it won’t double until spring been classed as acceptable The vacuous fence sitting backstabbing charlatan hasn’t a socialist bone in his body His policy is far better than the tory policy. He takes away the £400 from every household and gives them £1000 instead, lowering inflation at the same time. The additional payments to the poorest remain and they will be on top of the price cap freeze. The poorest are many times better off with Starmer’s policy compared with the tories. Truss’ policy is to U turn on the NI increase, giving someone on minimum wage £1 a week more! Like I said, Starmer’s policy is not perfect, but at least it is something. Addressing energy prices can only be done by nationalising or, even better, by only using green or nuclear energy produced in this country. That will take years. Labour also want to insulate homes properly, something Miliband has been calling for for ages. The tories cannot be bothered, even though when the price cap rises, a properly insulated home could save the household up to £1000 a year apparently. So Labour aren’t perfect, but are lots better than the tories for immediate plans. What would you suggest could be done immediately to help? To be frankly honest I don’t think there’s a lot that could be done immediately But I personally would be tempted by a mixture of truss / sunak Remove vat suspend green levies and target help to the more needy What is desperately required is a coherent long term strategy for home produced energy which in my eyes would include fracking And renationalised energy sector
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 15, 2022 13:49:44 GMT
It would be interesting to know how much of the £29 billion is going to people who really need it. I suspect less than £5 billion will be - probably a lot less than £5 billion. You are plucking that £5bn number out of thin air. My household must change our way of living to deal with increased costs of energy and food and go without things we would like. And my household is probably in the top 5% of incomes. So if Starmer’s plan would make a big difference to my household, I suspect there are many more who it would be transformative for. It is miles ahead of anything the tories have announced. Actually I didn't £5bn is a guestimate based on the percentage of households who experience fuel poverty. It's almost certainly an overstatement as I didn't factor in the fact that fuel poverty households will pay a much lower fuel bill than non fuel poverty households. So, probably nearer to £1bn than £5bn of the £29bn will be making it's way to people that really need help.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 15, 2022 13:59:19 GMT
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Post by peterpan1 on Aug 15, 2022 14:03:09 GMT
The next time we have a Labour Government is the next time we play in the Premier League 😉😎
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Post by wagsastokie on Aug 15, 2022 14:09:22 GMT
The next time we have a Labour Government is the next time we play in the Premier League 😉😎 Well at least ten years of truss will be interesting
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