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Post by wannabee on Aug 11, 2022 19:17:40 GMT
Is this the time when FYD appears and berates GLP because they have kicked the Government’s ass in Court several times? This was investigated by the bureau over a period of more than 3 years despite obfuscation by the Tory Council saying "Nothing to see hear" The Mail Published the Story on the same day It looks like a variation on a Ponzi Scheme, incredible lack of due diligence (deliberate or otherwise) to protect Taxpayers Money and verify the existence, never mind the value over £600M "invested" For a period of years Interest Payments were being received by Council so no awkward questions being asked. As well as the Tory Councillors the CFO Sean Clarke would seem to have some urgent questions to answer not least where the recent £138M payment has disappeared to and his close "Relationship " with Liam Kavanagh the Chancer who set up the scheme. www.thebureauinvestigates.com/stories/2022-07-15/his-companies-made-a-deal-for-138m-of-taxpayers-money.-where-has-it-goneGLP kicked the governments arse lol At the moment he has basically sent a glorified FOI request, as I said many times in relation to covid contracts any corruption should be pursued punitively, thats real corruption not the kevin bacon association game bullshit he specialises in. Same should apply here if there is any real wrongdoing they should face the full force of the law as the ex mayor of liverpool and his associates are, I presume after this case he will look at the millions croydon council lost in property development, the millions nottingham lost with its energy supplier company then he'll be off to Scotland to look at the ferry contracts the snp administered so badly that cancellations of ferries have led to rationing on some islands or are these not as important as not interviewing a candidate with a minority background for an unpaid NHS role ? Can you remind me what charges have been brought against the Ex Lord Mayor of Liverpool and his Associates You imply you have information that's not in the Public Domain?
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Post by essexstokey on Aug 11, 2022 21:48:55 GMT
Very scary thought technically boris could run to be president of the uss
Good thought we could deport him as a foreign national
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 12, 2022 7:01:50 GMT
Finally, the Telegraph gets it. From the Business section, where you get more sense than the rest of the paper. Ben Wright: "The truth is that Britain really is broken and we cannot afford to fix it. The options are increase taxes or reduce public services. Fail to pick one and the problems stack up". Hallelujah! There may be hope, then, that even the most right-wing of the few quality papers in this country is finally smelling the coffee and waking up, although this was just one lone article in the Business section. Sunak appears to get this too. But we'll probably end up with Truss who seems to give less of a fuck about fixing things. Tax cuts and fuck it, in other words. Don't get old, don't get ill, would be my advice, unless you're well off enough to be able to go private in everything, which may be the whole point. Don’t give the Telegraph too much credit. This is the scum who owns it: www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/aug/11/frederick-barclay-avoids-jail-as-high-court-gives-him-three-months-to-pay-ex-wifeThere is a video somewhere of one of the Barclay brothers licking a comb which he then uses to comb his brother's hair. In public. It's as disturbing as it sounds. One of them has since died, but the other is still around and just as weird. It's questionable how much direct involvement he has in the DT, it's mainly a Lord Charles Moore mouthpiece, which he used to say how fantastic Boris Johnson was most of the time. But at least the business section approaches reality. You can tell the retired, old, white, ex-military buffers in the main paper what they want to hear whether or not it's devoid of reason. Not so in the business section. It's quite funny how often it totally contradicts the main bit of the paper.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 12, 2022 7:05:15 GMT
Sunak at least trying to sound like a human being. "We're at risk of leaving millions of people destitute. That's a moral failing on behalf of a Conservative government".
Truss:"Profit is good".
Conservative members:"We won't be destitute. People should just try harder not to be poor. It's Truss for me".
They're a caring bunch, Tories, aren't they.
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Post by questionable on Aug 12, 2022 7:23:45 GMT
He has proposed spending billions on further payments to pensioners and the low paid over winter, arguing tax cuts won't help them enough. (Sunak)
I’m sorry but why are the likes of “average Joe” being overlooked here, why should I/you except paying more or being exempt from hand outs.
Voted Conservative in the past but not a chance I’ll vote for these parasites ever again.
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Post by cvillestokie on Aug 12, 2022 7:27:16 GMT
Very scary thought technically boris could run to be president of the uss Good thought we could deport him as a foreign national He’d have to live in the US for another 12 or so years first. He also doesn’t have citizenship in the US anymore, so you couldn’t just give him back to us.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 12, 2022 7:31:18 GMT
He has proposed spending billions on further payments to pensioners and the low paid over winter, arguing tax cuts won't help them enough. (Sunak) I’m sorry but why are the likes of “average Joe” being overlooked here, why should I/you except paying more or being exempt from hand outs. Voted Conservative in the past but not a chance I’ll vote for these parasites ever again. I think people will simply refuse to pay their fuel bills, and understandably so. That leaves a big problem for government. Do they pay the energy companies bills on our behalf or do they sit back and do nothing as millions of people potentially get cut off? Imagine how many kids and workers will be off sick throughout the winter without heating or cooking ability. That in itself might cost as much to the economy as paying the bills. This is the problem with living in low tax, laissez-faire, under-regulated, free market economies. When it goes wrong, it's catastrophic, and there is no room for governments to help out, without substantial borrowing and debt generation. It's so short-sighted
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Post by questionable on Aug 12, 2022 7:45:05 GMT
He has proposed spending billions on further payments to pensioners and the low paid over winter, arguing tax cuts won't help them enough. (Sunak) I’m sorry but why are the likes of “average Joe” being overlooked here, why should I/you except paying more or being exempt from hand outs. Voted Conservative in the past but not a chance I’ll vote for these parasites ever again. I think people will simply refuse to pay their fuel bills, and understandably so. That leaves a big problem for government. Do they pay the energy companies bills on our behalf or do they sit back and do nothing as millions of people potentially get cut off? Imagine how many kids and workers will be off sick throughout the winter without heating or cooking ability. That in itself might cost as much to the economy as paying the bills. This is the problem with living in low tax, laissez-faire, under-regulated, free market economies. When it goes wrong, it's catastrophic, and there is no room for governments to help out, without substantial borrowing and debt generation. It's so short-sighted It’s not as if we’re struggling to make ends meet but it’s pure f’in greed now and I’m not, well trying not too add to their greedy little pockets by keeping my utility bills as low as possible. We’ve endured two years of crap and I want to get out socialising, treating ourselves etc not putting money into British Gas’s pockets.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 12, 2022 7:49:41 GMT
I read somewhere that fuel bills will take up about 20-30% of a family's post tax income, rising from about 5-10% now.
Some folk are going to be seriously struggling.
Tory Britain 2022.
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Post by foster on Aug 12, 2022 8:08:53 GMT
I read somewhere that fuel bills will take up about 20-30% of a family's post tax income, rising from about 5-10% now. Some folk are going to be seriously struggling. Tory Britain 2022. There is no defending these greedy money grabbing fuckers. In the UK, people should NEVER have to rely on handouts (Tory favours) just to cover basic needs like energy and food. I seriously wonder how much more shit people will put up with and what they're going to do about it. It's the 'I'm alright Jack' types that keep this austerity going. Though I do see more unions coming to the fore as their members start to realise just what winter has in store for them. May as well cancel Xmas at this rate.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 12, 2022 8:20:56 GMT
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Post by spitthedog on Aug 12, 2022 9:15:44 GMT
I read somewhere that fuel bills will take up about 20-30% of a family's post tax income, rising from about 5-10% now. Some folk are going to be seriously struggling. Tory Britain 2022. There is no defending these greedy money grabbing fuckers. In the UK, people should NEVER have to rely on handouts (Tory favours) just to cover basic needs like energy and food. I seriously wonder how much more shit people will put up with and what they're going to do about it. It's the 'I'm alright Jack' types that keep this austerity going. Though I do see more unions coming to the fore as their members start to realise just what winter has in store for them. May as well cancel Xmas at this rate. I think there is going to be a huge rise in crime in this country. Unfortunately, some people are going to turn to crime as a means for survival. It's already happening in my own community burglaries and car crimes a daily occurrence adding greatly to people's anxiety. This as a time when police are failing to investigate crimes. They don't seem to be interested and people don't feel protected. These are issues this 160,000 Tory members who are deciding our future don't seem to encounter or care about.
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Post by followyoudown on Aug 12, 2022 10:04:35 GMT
GLP kicked the governments arse lol At the moment he has basically sent a glorified FOI request, as I said many times in relation to covid contracts any corruption should be pursued punitively, thats real corruption not the kevin bacon association game bullshit he specialises in. Same should apply here if there is any real wrongdoing they should face the full force of the law as the ex mayor of liverpool and his associates are, I presume after this case he will look at the millions croydon council lost in property development, the millions nottingham lost with its energy supplier company then he'll be off to Scotland to look at the ferry contracts the snp administered so badly that cancellations of ferries have led to rationing on some islands or are these not as important as not interviewing a candidate with a minority background for an unpaid NHS role ? Can you remind me what charges have been brought against the Ex Lord Mayor of Liverpool and his Associates You imply you have information that's not in the Public Domain? If only there was a way to search for such information on the internet for yourself hey, its interesting you determine the burden of proof for Labour people to be a criminal charge (not an investigation) but for a tory a tweet from glp or similar is sufficient.
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Post by followyoudown on Aug 12, 2022 10:22:22 GMT
Thanks for the detailed recap of your life story, the end point is as I said you always think someone else should pay, BP millionaire shareholders the latest incarnation. As I've also said several times I'm quite happy to pay higher taxes to help the poorest thats the only long term solution that taxes rise for the better paid be because they aren't enough of those other groups of rich people you so like to fund everything. You decided to get personal. I just corrected you. If you tax the poor as much as the rich, you are not helping the poor very much. What’s wrong with my suggestion to tax millionaires as much as me (who certainly is not a millionaire)? Why should I, who cannot afford to buy a house where I live, pay more tax than millionaires? I just pointed out how you prefer other people to pay more tax despite yourself being in one of the higher income brackets. Who has suggested taxing the poor more ? Not really sure how you think you pay more tax than millionaires, the highest tax rate is 45%, nearly 40% on dividends bar personal allowance and £2k dividend allowance, its 28% CGT which is taxing money already taxed once on receipt. So the only millionaires paying less tax than you would be people who happened to buy houses in certain areas 40 or 50 years that are now worth millions, thats who you are going after....... You seem very quick to call other people selfish but your answer is always some variant of why should I pay more tax.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 12, 2022 11:59:12 GMT
"Safe hands" Truss is the one for me. "We need to focus on the nuclear reactors we're producing here in Derbyshire", she said at last night's hustings. They were in Gloucestershire....
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 12, 2022 12:05:18 GMT
I read somewhere that fuel bills will take up about 20-30% of a family's post tax income, rising from about 5-10% now. Some folk are going to be seriously struggling. Tory Britain 2022. There is no defending these greedy money grabbing fuckers. In the UK, people should NEVER have to rely on handouts (Tory favours) just to cover basic needs like energy and food. I seriously wonder how much more shit people will put up with and what they're going to do about it. It's the 'I'm alright Jack' types that keep this austerity going. Though I do see more unions coming to the fore as their members start to realise just what winter has in store for them. May as well cancel Xmas at this rate. In the absence of government help, eg what's happening in France where EDF customers pay two and a half times less than EDF customers in the UK, come the winter there is likely to be widespread civil disobedience. Whether this takes the form of mass refusal to pay bills or actual disturbances/riots is difficult to say, but the government is heading for a nasty shock if they think people are going to just put up with it. Perhaps this is what Truss wants? Perhaps she sees it as her Thatcher/miners moment? Be tough and it'll all work out. I'd be careful on that one, if I were you, Liz.
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Post by dexter97 on Aug 12, 2022 12:09:20 GMT
You decided to get personal. I just corrected you. If you tax the poor as much as the rich, you are not helping the poor very much. What’s wrong with my suggestion to tax millionaires as much as me (who certainly is not a millionaire)? Why should I, who cannot afford to buy a house where I live, pay more tax than millionaires? I just pointed out how you prefer other people to pay more tax despite yourself being in one of the higher income brackets. Who has suggested taxing the poor more ? Not really sure how you think you pay more tax than millionaires, the highest tax rate is 45%, nearly 40% on dividends bar personal allowance and £2k dividend allowance, its 28% CGT which is taxing money already taxed once on receipt. So the only millionaires paying less tax than you would be people who happened to buy houses in certain areas 40 or 50 years that are now worth millions, thats who you are going after....... You seem very quick to call other people selfish but your answer is always some variant of why should I pay more tax. www.lse.ac.uk/research/research-for-the-world/economics/how-much-tax-do-the-rich-really-pay
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 12, 2022 13:00:11 GMT
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Post by followyoudown on Aug 12, 2022 13:33:23 GMT
I just pointed out how you prefer other people to pay more tax despite yourself being in one of the higher income brackets. Who has suggested taxing the poor more ? Not really sure how you think you pay more tax than millionaires, the highest tax rate is 45%, nearly 40% on dividends bar personal allowance and £2k dividend allowance, its 28% CGT which is taxing money already taxed once on receipt. So the only millionaires paying less tax than you would be people who happened to buy houses in certain areas 40 or 50 years that are now worth millions, thats who you are going after....... You seem very quick to call other people selfish but your answer is always some variant of why should I pay more tax. www.lse.ac.uk/research/research-for-the-world/economics/how-much-tax-do-the-rich-really-payI am not sure what you think that proves, the analysis is very weak though if you are going to include capital gains tax, where you effectively charge tax on the profits people make investing already taxed income you need to recognise that losses also occur and the tax system gives relief for that so no one is "paying" 11% tax on £1m earnings they "pay" at the full rate on the £1m but get a reduction for previous losses.
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Post by followyoudown on Aug 12, 2022 13:33:39 GMT
I just pointed out how you prefer other people to pay more tax despite yourself being in one of the higher income brackets. Who has suggested taxing the poor more ? Not really sure how you think you pay more tax than millionaires, the highest tax rate is 45%, nearly 40% on dividends bar personal allowance and £2k dividend allowance, its 28% CGT which is taxing money already taxed once on receipt. So the only millionaires paying less tax than you would be people who happened to buy houses in certain areas 40 or 50 years that are now worth millions, thats who you are going after....... You seem very quick to call other people selfish but your answer is always some variant of why should I pay more tax. www.lse.ac.uk/research/research-for-the-world/economics/how-much-tax-do-the-rich-really-payI am not sure what you think that proves, the analysis is very weak though if you are going to include capital gains tax, where you effectively charge tax on the profits people make investing already taxed income you need to recognise that losses also occur and the tax system gives relief for that so no one is "paying" 11% tax on £1m earnings they "pay" at the full rate on the £1m but get a reduction for previous losses.
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Post by dexter97 on Aug 12, 2022 13:38:28 GMT
I am not sure what you think that proves, the analysis is very weak though if you are going to include capital gains tax, where you effectively charge tax on the profits people make investing already taxed income you need to recognise that losses also occur and the tax system gives relief for that so no one is "paying" 11% tax on £1m earnings they "pay" at the full rate on the £1m but get a reduction for previous losses. I’m not trying to ‘prove’ anything. Simply casting a little light on the discussion about how much tax the highest earners pay.
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Post by oggyoggy on Aug 12, 2022 14:53:49 GMT
You decided to get personal. I just corrected you. If you tax the poor as much as the rich, you are not helping the poor very much. What’s wrong with my suggestion to tax millionaires as much as me (who certainly is not a millionaire)? Why should I, who cannot afford to buy a house where I live, pay more tax than millionaires? I just pointed out how you prefer other people to pay more tax despite yourself being in one of the higher income brackets. Who has suggested taxing the poor more ? Not really sure how you think you pay more tax than millionaires, the highest tax rate is 45%, nearly 40% on dividends bar personal allowance and £2k dividend allowance, its 28% CGT which is taxing money already taxed once on receipt. So the only millionaires paying less tax than you would be people who happened to buy houses in certain areas 40 or 50 years that are now worth millions, thats who you are going after....... You seem very quick to call other people selfish but your answer is always some variant of why should I pay more tax. So you think someone earning 100k with no capital should pay more tax than a multi millionaire who has income of £100k from dividends and property income? That’s not really fair. There is no national insurance on dividends. Or on property income. No work required to receive income on dividends or property income. Generally people with lots of property and dividend income are very wealthy and should be taxed more, rather than taxing workers who do work as is the current situation. It’s unfair. You seem to prefer the tax burden being heaviest on the poor and workers, and less so on passive income which tends to go to wealthier people.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 12, 2022 15:10:58 GMT
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Post by prestwichpotter on Aug 12, 2022 15:59:21 GMT
Truss will be the stupidest Prime Minister in UK history, it's frightening some of the absolute shit she comes out with.........
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Post by hotterpotter on Aug 12, 2022 16:14:31 GMT
Very scary thought technically boris could run to be president of the uss Good thought we could deport him as a foreign national USS Enterprise hopefully
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Post by thewonderstuff on Aug 12, 2022 16:20:54 GMT
Truss will be the stupidest Prime Minister in UK history, it's frightening some of the absolute shit she comes out with......... She is one strange and dangerous woman for sure
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Post by spitthedog on Aug 12, 2022 16:42:00 GMT
As Truss gains in confidence she's starting to come out with some very disturbing rhetoric.
This anti-semitism stuff with no evidence to back it up.
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Post by andystokey on Aug 12, 2022 16:58:43 GMT
As Truss gains in confidence she's starting to come out with some very disturbing rhetoric. This anti-semitism stuff with no evidence to back it up. She's just reeling out the Trumpian woke trope to appeal to some pretty unpleasant societal mores. It's now so formulaic it's scary but it works well with her home crowd.
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Post by followyoudown on Aug 12, 2022 18:00:18 GMT
I just pointed out how you prefer other people to pay more tax despite yourself being in one of the higher income brackets. Who has suggested taxing the poor more ? Not really sure how you think you pay more tax than millionaires, the highest tax rate is 45%, nearly 40% on dividends bar personal allowance and £2k dividend allowance, its 28% CGT which is taxing money already taxed once on receipt. So the only millionaires paying less tax than you would be people who happened to buy houses in certain areas 40 or 50 years that are now worth millions, thats who you are going after....... You seem very quick to call other people selfish but your answer is always some variant of why should I pay more tax. So you think someone earning 100k with no capital should pay more tax than a multi millionaire who has income of £100k from dividends and property income? That’s not really fair. There is no national insurance on dividends. Or on property income. No work required to receive income on dividends or property income. Generally people with lots of property and dividend income are very wealthy and should be taxed more, rather than taxing workers who do work as is the current situation. It’s unfair. You seem to prefer the tax burden being heaviest on the poor and workers, and less so on passive income which tends to go to wealthier people. I honestly dont care who pays the tax, I look at the total tax take, it seems like you don't understand the tax system, dividends can only be paid from taxable profits, that means any dividend someone receives has already had 19% corporation tax deducted - thats higher than the rate of the national insurance. Property income might be free of NI but you have to pay stamp duty (various rates) when you buy the property and capital gains tax (28%) on the profit when you sell it again more than NI. If you want to know what taxing dividends more has already done try googling, Gordon Brown did this and pretty much ended final salary schemes for everyone outside of the public sector. In 2016 the dividend tax credit was abolished and replaced with a much lower allowance meaning these people already pay more tax. So like I say we are still at the point that you believe other people should pay more whereas I accept higher and medium earners will have to be taxed more.
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Post by wannabee on Aug 12, 2022 19:12:51 GMT
Can you remind me what charges have been brought against the Ex Lord Mayor of Liverpool and his Associates You imply you have information that's not in the Public Domain? If only there was a way to search for such information on the internet for yourself hey, its interesting you determine the burden of proof for Labour people to be a criminal charge (not an investigation) but for a tory a tweet from glp or similar is sufficient. Disingenuous as usual You've been pushing this Joe Anderson BS for some time on the Board Reality? No charges www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/apr/20/ex-liverpool-mayor-joe-anderson-nvestigation-police-lancashireWe shall see how Thurrock Council get on eh
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