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Post by toppercorner on Aug 9, 2022 17:38:08 GMT
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Post by dutchstokie on Aug 9, 2022 17:59:12 GMT
A granny riding the bus all day - on a FREE bus pass? Adding evenr MORE CO2 to the atmos.... the bitch ! Let her freeze...... ( I didnt realise things were that bad over there mate, its fuckin disgusting how quickly the UK seems to be going down the shitter.) Not all that surprising though, is it, given the decisions of the last few years. You made the right one in emigrating to the Netherlands, may well end up doing something similar and join the extended family in Deutschland, once the youngest has finished Uni. They keep saying we should move out there! It becomes an increasingly attractive proposition almost daily at the moment! To be fair we have our own issues to solve right now, massive farmer protests, drought, rising energy bills, food shortages because of the weather…… www.dutchnews.nl/news/2022/08/is-the-netherlands-in-a-national-crisis-and-how-can-it-be-solved/As Boycie once Saïd in OFAH - “ I can only afford smoked salmon 3 times a week” Chuck a few more poor people on the fire will you Geeves ! 😂👍
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Post by mrcoke on Aug 9, 2022 18:06:13 GMT
I harp on about the CAP because there is more pollution in British and European rivers due to agriculture than sewage. My belief in Brexit is not contradictory to foreign ownership of assets in the UK. I have spent a large part of my life working for French, Anglo-Dutch, and Indian companies who have thankfully invested in the UK. Brexit is about sovereignty, I.e. taking back control where laws are passed by British elected politicians whom the public can change. Foreign ownership of water is a consequence of the British selling their assets to foreign countries which successive elected governments have let happen. Its all about freedom to do what you wish, including electing the people who make our laws. The problem with democracy is you get what you want! (?) The alternative is less desirable, though. Germany has an idealistic constitution and election system, and look at the economic mess they have got themselves into. If we have foreign owned companies, freeports, FPTP elections, obscene profits by water and energy companies, and all the other things that posters on here complain about, it is because we have elected the politicians who made/let them happen. Some people may prefer to be ruled from Brussels but I don't. Some people may prefer the German system of government but I don't. You clearly have a passion for public ownership of water. I hope you have done something about it. If that were to happen, would you then campaign for public ownership of food production, processing, and retail? After all the CAP is responsible the main cause of river pollution throughout Europe and a large part of climate change emissions from animals, wasted over produced food, food processing, packaging, and transportation. Can farmers and all the corporations processing food, producing fertilisers, herbicides, insecticides, etc. be trusted? Personally I believe such things are best in private hands but strictly regulated by government, which clearly successive British governments have failed to do. To conclude on the original point huddy posted on; when it rains heavily, the sewers get overloaded and not fully treated sewage (rarely raw sewage) enters the water courses. It always has and it will continue well after 2050 on current government targets. In fact due to the increased frequency of extreme weather conditions it will probably get worse before it gets better. Small point of correction - it's often raw sewage that gets discharged when it rains heavily; usually, in fact. Check out how CSOs operate. It may be diluted by the additional rainfall, but it's most definitely raw and untreated. My post could have been clearer. When CSOs occur it is invariably highly diluted effluent that overflows, not raw sewage as it arises from toilets, due to heavy rainfall.
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Aug 9, 2022 19:51:40 GMT
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Post by toppercorner on Aug 9, 2022 20:13:43 GMT
'paraphernalia'
bloody idiot.
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Post by toppercorner on Aug 9, 2022 20:15:24 GMT
It hasn’t rained heavily for months. We have a drought. Why are water companies still dumping excrement in our rivers? Please advise where that is happening
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Post by toppercorner on Aug 9, 2022 20:21:23 GMT
it is just a huge joke to these crooks. I bet they laugh themselves silly at us, when they're in private.
'levelling up ..... hhahahahhahaha'
surprised Rishi hadn't told them he spent all their designated cash in Royal Tunbridge Wells.
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Post by wannabee on Aug 10, 2022 0:32:15 GMT
Will somebody please think of the children Shareholders
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Post by oggyoggy on Aug 10, 2022 6:54:46 GMT
It hasn’t rained heavily for months. We have a drought. Why are water companies still dumping excrement in our rivers? Please advise where that is happening I don’t know. But there is currently a criminal inquiry into the illegal dumping of raw sewage into our rivers. There were over 372,000 discharges of untreated sewage into our rivers in 2021. I’ll leave you to decide if we had that much extreme wet weather during 2021!
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 10, 2022 7:02:55 GMT
'paraphernalia' bloody idiot. Don't look up, Liz. Still, the Express reckons its support will sway things for you, what could possibly go wrong. Meanwhile, she thinks it'd be nonsense to meet Bozo and Sunak to agree how to help ordinary folk avoid fuel poverty. Remember to vote Tory, ordinary folk, they really have your best interests at heart.
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 10, 2022 7:09:34 GMT
Please advise where that is happening I don’t know. But there is currently a criminal inquiry into the illegal dumping of raw sewage into our rivers. There were over 372,000 discharges of untreated sewage into our rivers in 2021. I’ll leave you to decide if we had that much extreme wet weather during 2021! As always, it’s hard to separate “understandable” incidents from “unacceptable “ ones. Some people like to portray everything as unacceptable. Others try to hide the unacceptable behind the understandable. Hopefully criminal inquiries can see through this fog and hand out suitable punishments.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 10, 2022 7:14:48 GMT
I don’t know. But there is currently a criminal inquiry into the illegal dumping of raw sewage into our rivers. There were over 372,000 discharges of untreated sewage into our rivers in 2021. I’ll leave you to decide if we had that much extreme wet weather during 2021! As always, it’s hard to separate “understandable” incidents from “unacceptable “ ones. Some people like to portray everything as unacceptable. Others try to hide the unacceptable behind the understandable. Hopefully criminal inquiries can see through this fog and hand out suitable punishments. The fact that most water companies pay millions in fines every year for polluting our waterways, while generating substantial profits, would suggest that they've priced in failing to protect the environment against the cost of improving infrastructure and enforcement. Enforcement, standards and regulation which the government is seeking to loosen still further.
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Post by oggyoggy on Aug 10, 2022 7:24:29 GMT
I don’t know. But there is currently a criminal inquiry into the illegal dumping of raw sewage into our rivers. There were over 372,000 discharges of untreated sewage into our rivers in 2021. I’ll leave you to decide if we had that much extreme wet weather during 2021! As always, it’s hard to separate “understandable” incidents from “unacceptable “ ones. Some people like to portray everything as unacceptable. Others try to hide the unacceptable behind the understandable. Hopefully criminal inquiries can see through this fog and hand out suitable punishments. Absolutely. I understand that it is a necessity at times of extreme rainfall. The water companies are really failing us at the moment, not fixing leaks and dumping too much raw sewage. Another industry alongside trains and energy that is failed by the free market.
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Post by wannabee on Aug 10, 2022 7:59:05 GMT
As always, it’s hard to separate “understandable” incidents from “unacceptable “ ones. Some people like to portray everything as unacceptable. Others try to hide the unacceptable behind the understandable. Hopefully criminal inquiries can see through this fog and hand out suitable punishments. Absolutely. I understand that it is a necessity at times of extreme rainfall. The water companies are really failing us at the moment, not fixing leaks and dumping too much raw sewage. Another industry alongside trains and energy that is failed by the free market. The Common denominator between all these Water, Transport, and Energy Companies? They are mostly Foreign Owned helping to subsidise Water, Transport and Energy costs in their own Countries from UK Profits . Global Britain
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 10, 2022 8:04:42 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 10, 2022 8:07:57 GMT
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 10, 2022 8:34:21 GMT
it is just a huge joke to these crooks. I bet they laugh themselves silly at us, when they're in private. 'levelling up ..... hhahahahhahaha' surprised Rishi hadn't told them he spent all their designated cash in Royal Tunbridge Wells. In all honesty, though, it must be hard not to laugh. If you know 30% of the electorate will vote for you however bad it gets, and 75% of the print media will say you're the best thing since sliced bread however bad you are, you would laugh at the madness of it all, wouldn't you? If all you really cared about was power, self-aggrandisement and a route to guaranteed riches, that is.
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 10, 2022 9:11:04 GMT
As always, it’s hard to separate “understandable” incidents from “unacceptable “ ones. Some people like to portray everything as unacceptable. Others try to hide the unacceptable behind the understandable. Hopefully criminal inquiries can see through this fog and hand out suitable punishments. Absolutely. I understand that it is a necessity at times of extreme rainfall. The water companies are really failing us at the moment, not fixing leaks and dumping too much raw sewage. Another industry alongside trains and energy that is failed by the free market. I don't recall any halcyon days under public ownership. What is needed is effective regulation - both in terms of the regulation itself and its enforcement. And that is the fundamental purpose of Government IMO.
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Post by thewonderstuff on Aug 10, 2022 9:29:26 GMT
it is just a huge joke to these crooks. I bet they laugh themselves silly at us, when they're in private. 'levelling up ..... hhahahahhahaha' surprised Rishi hadn't told them he spent all their designated cash in Royal Tunbridge Wells. In all honesty, though, it must be hard not to laugh. If you know 30% of the electorate will vote for you however bad it gets, and 75% of the print media will say you're the best thing since sliced bread however bad you are, you would laugh at the madness of it all, wouldn't you? If all you really cared about was power, self-aggrandisement and a route to guaranteed riches, that is. I notice a subtle change with both Thick Lizzie and the Billionaire in the past few days. Offering support to those struggling during an unprecedented and rigged energy crisis has now suddenly become known as offering 'handouts'. A subtle but deliberate change in language designed to bolster the new narrative of blaming the poor for being poor.
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Post by oggyoggy on Aug 10, 2022 9:54:32 GMT
Absolutely. I understand that it is a necessity at times of extreme rainfall. The water companies are really failing us at the moment, not fixing leaks and dumping too much raw sewage. Another industry alongside trains and energy that is failed by the free market. I don't recall any halcyon days under public ownership. What is needed is effective regulation - both in terms of the regulation itself and its enforcement. And that is the fundamental purpose of Government IMO. You are right that regulation is essential. But we have a tory government and they hate regulation. Under public ownership the government can take swift action to avoid the ridiculous prices and failed services that the businesses running these essential services are offering. Under private ownership, as can be seen, it is harder for our government to intervene.
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Post by followyoudown on Aug 10, 2022 9:57:59 GMT
As always, it’s hard to separate “understandable” incidents from “unacceptable “ ones. Some people like to portray everything as unacceptable. Others try to hide the unacceptable behind the understandable. Hopefully criminal inquiries can see through this fog and hand out suitable punishments. Absolutely. I understand that it is a necessity at times of extreme rainfall. The water companies are really failing us at the moment, not fixing leaks and dumping too much raw sewage. Another industry alongside trains and energy that is failed by the free market. Energy has not been failed by the free market its been failed by successive governments making us less energy secure in the pursuit of net zero whilst China builds another 300 coal power stations. Same with water
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 10, 2022 10:05:53 GMT
I don't recall any halcyon days under public ownership. What is needed is effective regulation - both in terms of the regulation itself and its enforcement. And that is the fundamental purpose of Government IMO. You are right that regulation is essential. But we have a tory government and they hate regulation. Under public ownership the government can take swift action to avoid the ridiculous prices and failed services that the businesses running these essential services are offering. Under private ownership, as can be seen, it is harder for our government to intervene. Is it harder, really? When you have an 80 seat majority? They could enact pretty much any laws they liked. Including tighter regulations. The fact that they choose not to is a consequence of their fundamental ideological approach of allowing the market to do whatever it likes, being in cahoots with big business which frequently donates large sums to their Party and recognising that, being poorer to the tune of £100bn every year as a result of Brexit, you can't afford to enforce regulations, which is why they are being watered down.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 10, 2022 10:12:29 GMT
Absolutely. I understand that it is a necessity at times of extreme rainfall. The water companies are really failing us at the moment, not fixing leaks and dumping too much raw sewage. Another industry alongside trains and energy that is failed by the free market. Energy has not been failed by the free market its been failed by successive governments making us less energy secure in the pursuit of net zero whilst China builds another 300 coal power stations. Same with water What do we want? More pollution. When do we want it? Now.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 10, 2022 10:15:12 GMT
World-beating figures, those I wish TV news interviewers would show stuff like this to all the "love Boris - he's done a good job" morons you see in high streets around the country.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 10, 2022 11:32:06 GMT
Absolutely. I understand that it is a necessity at times of extreme rainfall. The water companies are really failing us at the moment, not fixing leaks and dumping too much raw sewage. Another industry alongside trains and energy that is failed by the free market. I don't recall any halcyon days under public ownership. What is needed is effective regulation - both in terms of the regulation itself and its enforcement. And that is the fundamental purpose of Government IMO. Your bills were never this high as a proportion of your income for starters mate.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 10, 2022 11:34:11 GMT
Energy has not been failed by the free market its been failed by successive governments making us less energy secure in the pursuit of net zero whilst China builds another 300 coal power stations. Same with water What do we want? More pollution. When do we want it? Now. Could FYD remind us who was in Government in 2011?
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 10, 2022 11:41:09 GMT
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Post by oggyoggy on Aug 10, 2022 11:54:35 GMT
Stop “doing your country down”.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 10, 2022 12:19:36 GMT
Absolutely. I understand that it is a necessity at times of extreme rainfall. The water companies are really failing us at the moment, not fixing leaks and dumping too much raw sewage. Another industry alongside trains and energy that is failed by the free market. Energy has not been failed by the free market its been failed by successive governments making us less energy secure in the pursuit of net zero whilst China builds another 300 coal power stations. Same with waterFrom today's DT: "Water firms sold off emergency drought reservoirs to developers" "Dozens of reservoirs have been given up by water companies across the country, while no new ones have been built in the last 30 years [privatisation was in 1989, coincidentally]. Andrew Sells, who was head of Natural England between 2014 and 2019, said it was evidence of water companies putting profits before water resilience [nooooo?]. Several water companies preferred to build houses on some of their reservoirs (Thames Water refused to say how many) and last week we learnt that together they have built precisely zero new reservoirs in the past 30 years, despite population growth of about 10 million. No doubt some of those reservoirs had reached the end of their working lives, but in abandoning this infrastructure, without any replacements, they have again put short-term profits ahead of long-term supply.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 10, 2022 12:35:04 GMT
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