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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 10, 2022 12:37:45 GMT
Having learnt nothing from the Owen Paterson scandal, a cabal of senior Tory backbenchers are currently trying to get Bozo out of the investigation into whether or not he misled the Commons.
Bill Cash, Iain Duncan-Smith, Edward Leigh and David Jones have tabled an early day motion in the Commons, in the hope that the Speaker will allow the matter to be debated and put to a vote [as a means of getting the committee dissolved]. Johnson was fined for attending a birthday party in the Cabinet room in June 2020 during lockdown. Johnson insisted "there was no party and no Covid rules were broken". The Committee has the power to suspend Johnson for 10 days or more if it finds him guilty of contempt. This would trigger a recall in his constituency and a by-election. Until now, it was assumed that Johnson could only be found guilty if he knew what he said was wrong - something that is very difficult to prove. But after taking legal advice from former Appeal Court judge Sir Ernest Ryder, the committee made it clear that it is not necessary to prove intent.
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 10, 2022 12:58:33 GMT
I don't recall any halcyon days under public ownership. What is needed is effective regulation - both in terms of the regulation itself and its enforcement. And that is the fundamental purpose of Government IMO. You are right that regulation is essential. But we have a tory government and they hate regulation. Under public ownership the government can take swift action to avoid the ridiculous prices and failed services that the businesses running these essential services are offering. Under private ownership, as can be seen, it is harder for our government to intervene. You touch on a fundamental challenge for public ownership - when a Government regulates an industry it owns. In other words it polices itself. An article from a couple of days ago referenced this noting fines to private companies for breaking regulations were harsher than those directed to publicly owned enterprises.
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Post by followyoudown on Aug 10, 2022 13:37:01 GMT
Stop “doing your country down”. I think you meant stop posting out of context made up shit, no mention of 2022 GDP is there for some reason from the head of propaganda for stop crying we've left the EU.
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Post by Gob Bluth on Aug 10, 2022 13:44:03 GMT
Is she being mauled by the man who didn’t understand that wood can be grown and concrete can’t?
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Post by thewonderstuff on Aug 10, 2022 14:16:27 GMT
Having learnt nothing from the Owen Paterson scandal, a cabal of senior Tory backbenchers are currently trying to get Bozo out of the investigation into whether or not he misled the Commons. Bill Cash, Iain Duncan-Smith, Edward Leigh and David Jones have tabled an early day motion in the Commons, in the hope that the Speaker will allow the matter to be debated and put to a vote [as a means of getting the committee dissolved]. Johnson was fined for attending a birthday party in the Cabinet room in June 2020 during lockdown. Johnson insisted "there was no party and no Covid rules were broken". The Committee has the power to suspend Johnson for 10 days or more if it finds him guilty of contempt. This would trigger a recall in his constituency and a by-election. Until now, it was assumed that Johnson could only be found guilty if he knew what he said was wrong - something that is very difficult to prove. But after taking legal advice from former Appeal Court judge Sir Ernest Ryder, the committee made it clear that it is not necessary to prove intent. Despite the committee having a Tory majority and them all waving this investigation through in April they all suddenly seem a bit panicked now don't they. It's almost like fatso is as guilty as sin isn't it? No way the early day motion works. Thick Lizzie will have to bring a separate motion and have it voted on to bring down the first and therefore tying herself fully to Johnson's lies and corruption from day 1. Big call for whoever is pulling her strings and that rare breed of Tory backbenchers with a conscience. What a corrupt bunch of tossers.
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Post by elystokie on Aug 10, 2022 14:29:50 GMT
Is she being mauled by the man who didn’t understand that wood can be grown and concrete can’t? He probably won't know it but you can grow a sort of concrete (in some countries depending on the law) it's called hempcrete and it lasts longer than concrete, has better insulating qualities and takes more CO2 out of the atmosphere than trees for the same area whilst it's growing.
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Post by essexstokey on Aug 10, 2022 14:59:30 GMT
How dare any Tory ever criticise labour over the mismanagement of the economy and public services we have seen with them 13 tax rises more than tripling of national debt a reduction in real terms of public sector pay Cuts in real terms to budgets for education NHS and other public services A reduction to local government budgets and per capita figures for things like the NHS slashed There corrupt and illegal practices have effected us all time for them to go and never come to power again
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Post by followyoudown on Aug 10, 2022 15:12:17 GMT
How dare any Tory ever criticise labour over the mismanagement of the economy and public services we have seen with them 13 tax rises more than tripling of national debt a reduction in real terms of public sector pay Cuts in real terms to budgets for education NHS and other public services A reduction to local government budgets and per capita figures for things like the NHS slashed There corrupt and illegal practices have effected us all time for them to go and never come to power again To answer the how dare question its because you tried to make this dangerous buffoon PM
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Post by foster on Aug 10, 2022 15:13:27 GMT
I think you meant stop posting out of context made up shit, no mention of 2022 GDP is there for some reason from the head of propaganda for stop crying we've left the EU. Eh? All i did was criticise Huddy for doing his country down. It is easy to show fast growth over a 12 month period when your economy has been decimated by the pandemic to a larger extent than all other comparables in the previous 12 months beforehand. He was referring to Huddy's post.
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Post by oggyoggy on Aug 10, 2022 15:14:28 GMT
How dare any Tory ever criticise labour over the mismanagement of the economy and public services we have seen with them 13 tax rises more than tripling of national debt a reduction in real terms of public sector pay Cuts in real terms to budgets for education NHS and other public services A reduction to local government budgets and per capita figures for things like the NHS slashed There corrupt and illegal practices have effected us all time for them to go and never come to power again To answer the how dare question its because you tried to make this dangerous buffoon PM Corbyn is a moron. But i’d prefer him to Johnson, Truss, Sunak and the rest of the dream team for billionaires.
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Post by oggyoggy on Aug 10, 2022 15:15:16 GMT
Eh? All i did was criticise Huddy for doing his country down. It is easy to show fast growth over a 12 month period when your economy has been decimated by the pandemic to a larger extent than all other comparables in the previous 12 months beforehand. He was referring to Huddy's post. Yes, I realised my mistake immediately after posting and deleted it, but your were too quick for me!
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Post by foster on Aug 10, 2022 15:18:07 GMT
He was referring to Huddy's post. Yes, I realised my mistake immediately after posting and deleted it, but your were too quick for me! Still gave you enough time to edit your post and make mine look a lot less relevant though
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Post by phileetin on Aug 10, 2022 15:19:50 GMT
To answer the how dare question its because you tried to make this dangerous buffoon PM Corbyn is a moron. But i’d prefer him to Johnson, Truss, Sunak and the rest of the dream team for billionaires.
hopefully you're barred from voting due to insanity
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Post by followyoudown on Aug 10, 2022 15:22:59 GMT
To answer the how dare question its because you tried to make this dangerous buffoon PM Corbyn is a moron. But i’d prefer him to Johnson, Truss, Sunak and the rest of the dream team for billionaires. Who cares about Ukraine oggy wants a lower gas bill jesus wept.........
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Post by essexstokey on Aug 10, 2022 15:35:04 GMT
How dare any Tory ever criticise labour over the mismanagement of the economy and public services we have seen with them 13 tax rises more than tripling of national debt a reduction in real terms of public sector pay Cuts in real terms to budgets for education NHS and other public services A reduction to local government budgets and per capita figures for things like the NHS slashed There corrupt and illegal practices have effected us all time for them to go and never come to power again To answer the how dare question its because you tried to make this dangerous buffoon PM He may be a baffoon but he hasn't waisted billions on ppe contracts to his mates for ppe that was substandard hes not been found to have broken the law while in office He's not out this country in serious economic trouble or allegedly accepted cash for honours and cronyism to cover up lies and affairs His policy of nationalisation of rail and the water and electricity companies would have helped in cost of living crisis and been beneficial to the country I'm no fan of his but he can't have been as bad aas this lot Anyway you keep referring to Corbyn as a labour mp which is untrue so get over it
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Post by oggyoggy on Aug 10, 2022 15:38:31 GMT
Corbyn is a moron. But i’d prefer him to Johnson, Truss, Sunak and the rest of the dream team for billionaires. hopefully you're barred from voting due to insanity
The economy would be in a better state, no question. The big downside of Corbyn is his awful foreign policy. It makes him nearly as bad as the tories overall. But in times of disaster economics as we are experiencing now, i’d prefer Diane Abbot as Chancellor to the tories. The tories are taking every penny they can from the poor and middle and giving it to the rich. See how well billionaires are doing.
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Post by oggyoggy on Aug 10, 2022 15:41:52 GMT
Corbyn is a moron. But i’d prefer him to Johnson, Truss, Sunak and the rest of the dream team for billionaires. Who cares about Ukraine oggy wants a lower gas bill jesus wept......... Who cares about the rule of law, accountability, honesty, integrity, democracy, the poor, the middle, the state of the country, energy prices, inflation, the economy, the disabled, the minorities, Yemen, our public services, our human rights…FYD wants billionaires to get richer.
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Post by wannabee on Aug 10, 2022 15:42:29 GMT
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 10, 2022 15:56:13 GMT
How dare any Tory ever criticise labour over the mismanagement of the economy and public services we have seen with them 13 tax rises more than tripling of national debt a reduction in real terms of public sector pay Cuts in real terms to budgets for education NHS and other public services A reduction to local government budgets and per capita figures for things like the NHS slashed There corrupt and illegal practices have effected us all time for them to go and never come to power again To answer the how dare question its because you tried to make this dangerous buffoon PM Just the sort of guy you want in a crisis.
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Post by wannabee on Aug 10, 2022 15:57:26 GMT
There is no limit to the talent available within the Tory Ranks ... and by God are they Rank
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Post by thewonderstuff on Aug 10, 2022 16:37:08 GMT
Corbyn is a moron. But i’d prefer him to Johnson, Truss, Sunak and the rest of the dream team for billionaires. Who cares about Ukraine oggy wants a lower gas bill jesus wept......... Your sources FYD, your sources Klaas rightly got his arse handed to him for this tweet. Corbyn the mental bastard campaigning for peace, what a fucking mentalist! Who want’s that? Of course when we get to the bit about a hierarchy of refugees in this country, that’s a little bit too close to the bone for some on this board isn’t it ?
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 10, 2022 18:01:04 GMT
Something fishy about that article. The reason being when you look at overall historical spend from 2005 to 2018 and 2021 and 2022 spend, you see Government spending on EA has gone up significantly and is now at record levels. For example government funding of EA in 2005 was £589m, in 2010 £786M, 2018 £821M, 2021 £1,153M and in the current year is £1,170M.
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Post by wannabee on Aug 10, 2022 18:42:00 GMT
I presume the Cheif Executive of Environmental Agency Sir James Bevan knows what he's talking about He was the one who asked the HoC Environment Audit Committee to restore the Grant back to £120M 2010 levels from its current £43M I presume EA may earn Fees for Services it may provide to Water Companies which would be additive Further they may be a separate Capital Budget I don't really know, but I have a certain level of trust that the CEO does. My takeaway is that EA like other services have suffered from the same Austerity Measures - Penny Wise, Pound Foolish www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/environment/2021/jun/23/environment-agency-needs-120m-grant-restored-to-protect-rivers-says-ceo
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Post by spitthedog on Aug 10, 2022 19:42:46 GMT
So what I am hearing now are Government policies being formulated by our PM candidates that might benefit just 160,000 people in this country and fuck the rest. They are the only people who seem to matter in this country right now.
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Post by spitthedog on Aug 10, 2022 20:02:40 GMT
Who cares about Ukraine oggy wants a lower gas bill jesus wept......... Who cares about the rule of law, accountability, honesty, integrity, democracy, the poor, the middle, the state of the country, energy prices, inflation, the economy, the disabled, the minorities, Yemen, our public services, our human rights…FYD wants billionaires to get richer. Why is someone posting videos of Jeremy Corbyn talking about Ukraine on this thread? Surely the wrong thread? He's not in Government in fact not even in the Opposition party.
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 10, 2022 20:08:52 GMT
I presume the Cheif Executive of Environmental Agency Sir James Bevan knows what he's talking about He was the one who asked the HoC Environment Audit Committee to restore the Grant back to £120M 2010 levels from its current £43M I presume EA may earn Fees for Services it may provide to Water Companies which would be additive Further they may be a separate Capital Budget I don't really know, but I have a certain level of trust that the CEO does. My takeaway is that EA like other services have suffered from the same Austerity Measures - Penny Wise, Pound Foolish www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/environment/2021/jun/23/environment-agency-needs-120m-grant-restored-to-protect-rivers-says-ceoLike I said something fishy about that article. Appreciate you don’t possess the critical faculties to appreciate that. If you do you might wonder why Sir James Bevan didn’t raise budget concerns in his comments to the All-Party Parliamentary Group for the Environment in March this year. What he does do is welcome new money he is getting, by which I imagine he means this… DEFRA gifts Environment Agency biggest-ever grant. Not quite the picture of misery you paint. But, then again, you are something of a misery. So, probably best to let you wallow in your misery.
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Post by thewonderstuff on Aug 10, 2022 20:17:19 GMT
Who cares about the rule of law, accountability, honesty, integrity, democracy, the poor, the middle, the state of the country, energy prices, inflation, the economy, the disabled, the minorities, Yemen, our public services, our human rights…FYD wants billionaires to get richer. Why is someone posting videos of Jeremy Corbyn talking about Ukraine on this thread? Surely the wrong thread? He's not in Government in fact not even in the Opposition party. And posting a heavily edited video where he is simply asking for peace. Those completely bereft of argument, self respect or anything left at all, as their own beliefs continue to rot this country to the absolute core and they have nothing left to defend themselves. That's who.
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Post by wannabee on Aug 10, 2022 21:13:15 GMT
I presume the Cheif Executive of Environmental Agency Sir James Bevan knows what he's talking about He was the one who asked the HoC Environment Audit Committee to restore the Grant back to £120M 2010 levels from its current £43M I presume EA may earn Fees for Services it may provide to Water Companies which would be additive Further they may be a separate Capital Budget I don't really know, but I have a certain level of trust that the CEO does. My takeaway is that EA like other services have suffered from the same Austerity Measures - Penny Wise, Pound Foolish www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/environment/2021/jun/23/environment-agency-needs-120m-grant-restored-to-protect-rivers-says-ceoLike I said something fishy about that article. Appreciate you don’t possess the critical faculties to appreciate that.
If you do you might wonder why Sir James Bevan didn’t raise budget concerns in his comments to the All-Party Parliamentary Group for the Environment in March this year. What he does do is welcome new money he is getting, by which I imagine he means this… DEFRA gifts Environment Agency biggest-ever grant. Not quite the picture of misery you paint. But, then again, you are something of a misery. So, probably best to let you wallow in your misery. Ha ha you are a card Patrick and I'd never fail to Under Appreciate your Stupidity Have you booked the Dunning-Kruger Effect Test yet? You might be able to cope with your condition better if it were properly diagnosed Perhaps it's because he said it during the June Session? You'll find it at the top of Page 19 of 43 It might be a good Test to see if you manage to find it Report back if you like There's a Good Chap
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 10, 2022 22:21:56 GMT
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 11, 2022 7:29:23 GMT
Like I said something fishy about that article. Appreciate you don’t possess the critical faculties to appreciate that.
If you do you might wonder why Sir James Bevan didn’t raise budget concerns in his comments to the All-Party Parliamentary Group for the Environment in March this year. What he does do is welcome new money he is getting, by which I imagine he means this… DEFRA gifts Environment Agency biggest-ever grant. Not quite the picture of misery you paint. But, then again, you are something of a misery. So, probably best to let you wallow in your misery. Ha ha you are a card Patrick and I'd never fail to Under Appreciate your Stupidity Have you booked the Dunning-Kruger Effect Test yet? You might be able to cope with your condition better if it were properly diagnosed Perhaps it's because he said it during the June Session? You'll find it at the top of Page 19 of 43 It might be a good Test to see if you manage to find it Report back if you like There's a Good Chap It’s a test you seem familiar with and appreciate. Based on the pish you post, that’s not a surprise.
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