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Post by Davef on May 31, 2023 9:04:46 GMT
FYI, Albanian nationals currently account for 16% of the prison population, despite representing less than 0.05% of the population. Look out Kate. You've made a typo there Dave. It is 1.6% not 16%. I think the last total in 2022 was around 1300 Albanians. Thanks for that. The figure is taken from this article which I've misunderstood. It looks like it should be 16% of the foreign nationals currently in prison? Edit: Sorry, forgot the link! archive.ph/OhIuk
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Post by gawa on May 31, 2023 10:39:09 GMT
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Post by cvillestokie on May 31, 2023 10:56:58 GMT
To me, breaking down people from country of origin for crime stats isn’t that helpful. I don’t believe that people from different countries are inherently more likely to commit crime when you adjust for factors like neighborhood disadvantage index, for example. I think it just leads to increased stigmatization of a group of people. It’s right out of the culture wars handbook.
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Post by gawa on May 31, 2023 11:50:04 GMT
To me, breaking down people from country of origin for crime stats isn’t that helpful. I don’t believe that people from different countries are inherently more likely to commit crime when you adjust for factors like neighborhood disadvantage index, for example. I think it just leads to increased stigmatization of a group of people. It’s right out of the culture wars handbook. I agree mate. I was just correcting the statistics. I think there's a variety of things which contribute: - A cost of living crisis where people working full time still have to debate heat or eat. Leading people into crime as a result. Thus those who are poorer are more likely to be involved. - Unprocessed asylum claim backlog which isn't being tackled in any shape or form. Leaving people to survive on a £1 a day or something daft and not allowed to work due to asylum claim. - Gangs which traffic people forcing trafficked people into crime to pay back their dues. - The strong link between UK and Albanian gangs through cocaine trade. - A broken prison system where an Albanian shop lifting gets prison time but majority of sex offenders walk free. Same goes for anyone who commits crimes relating to tax or finance who often get pointless sentences. Or in cases of Nadeem Zahawi who avoided millions of tax there is no prison time at all. - Some poor people actually commit crimes to get put in jail too because theyd rather that than be on the streets. To put it into perspective there are around 850,000 people on the child sex offenders list. That's about 650 odd for every Albanian prisoner. And the difference is the majority of those are walking our streets
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 31, 2023 12:18:31 GMT
Cheers Paul. Guess it'll be interesting to see if they genuinely do address it properly. Is it safe to assume that you've already made your mind up on that score? That anything other than lockdowns being the "greatest abuse of government power in the entire history of humanity" or similar will be a whitewash or waste of time/money?
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 31, 2023 14:53:15 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 31, 2023 15:18:37 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 31, 2023 16:25:07 GMT
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 31, 2023 16:31:32 GMT
I wouldn't bank on it! Surely this procrastination and obfuscation has been about buying time to delete anything remotely incriminating? He probably does have an axe to grind with Sunak and, just like his approach to literally anyone else, has absolutely no qualms about chucking him under the bus, but I can't see him agreeing to shit his own bed, even if it brings the whole lot down. Although, maybe he's relying on enough fools to re-elect him to a position of influence anyway, regardless of how badly the enquiry turns out for him. There is a certain logic in that, given the way some people go a bit Trump about him.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on May 31, 2023 17:59:40 GMT
Don’t forget folks, if you want to see some real impartial political debate check out Big Nige, live from the GB News pub tomorrow evening at 7pm. Talking Pints. Don’t miss it!
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Post by fullmetaljacket on May 31, 2023 18:14:23 GMT
Old bluffer making sure if he goes down he'll take everyone with him.
All I need to see now is him pointing to the inquiry all the bug highlighty bits where he stitches up Sunak and the rest.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 31, 2023 19:13:58 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 31, 2023 19:37:54 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 31, 2023 19:52:33 GMT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on May 31, 2023 21:35:44 GMT
Big Nige talking sense again
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on May 31, 2023 22:02:08 GMT
Big Nige talking sense again A return feels imminent. Exciting times.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jun 1, 2023 7:46:16 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jun 1, 2023 7:46:33 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jun 1, 2023 7:46:57 GMT
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Post by gawa on Jun 1, 2023 10:31:30 GMT
Labour MP suspended today I see. Allegations of making unsolicited advances. Did it suggest it was against under age people too? Can't remember as I read it this morning.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jun 1, 2023 11:16:54 GMT
Labour MP suspended today I see. Allegations of making unsolicited advances. Did it suggest it was against under age people too? Can't remember as I read it this morning. I've not seen any allegations of under age, no. Parliamentary staff it would seem.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jun 1, 2023 12:35:31 GMT
Excellent expose on C4 News last night about the government's 'get tough' on crime and sentencing agenda and promise to create an additional 10,000 prison places back in 2010 which has actually produced a net increase of just a couple of hundred places, which are likely to be full in the next few weeks with the result that industrial action by prison warders is likely.
Another promise broken. More tough sounding words that go down well with the faithful who never bother to care about following it up..
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Post by cvillestokie on Jun 1, 2023 12:50:19 GMT
Excellent expose on C4 News last night about the government's 'get tough' on crime and sentencing agenda and promise to create an additional 10,000 prison places back in 2010 which has actually produced a net increase of just a couple of hundred places, which are likely to be full in the next few weeks with the result that industrial action by prison warders is likely. Another promise broken. More tough sounding words that go down well with the faithful who never bother to care about following it up.. More prison spots would be a great campaign promise if prison led to rehabilitation and reduce reoffending. harvardpolitics.com/recidivism-american-progress/#:~:text=When%20prisoners%20are%20released%20in,are%20rearrested%20within%20five%20years. Norway initiate prison policies whereby prisoners can get a working wage, a better education and develop a plan of how to get back into society. When they leave, they have a bit of money so that they aren’t desperate when they get out. Shockingly, this means that they have very low levels of crime versus most other nations. The US has a “tough on crime” policy that the Republicans push. 3/4 of prisoners go back to crime. It’s only effective in making Republicans who own shares in private prisons more money, as well as contributing massively to their campaign funds of course. If the goal of prison is to reduce crime, then spending more money to get people back on track and paying contributing to their economy just seems like a logical thing to me. There are obviously some crimes where this kind of policy won’t work, hence why Norway still have reoffenders (7%). Seems better than the UK’s approach though (23-31%): www.gov.uk/government/statistics/proven-reoffending-statistics-january-to-march-2021/proven-reoffending-statistics-january-to-march-2021#:~:text=Overall%20–%20adult%20and%20juvenile%20offenders,-The%20overall%20proven&text=quarter%20in%202020.-,Over%20time%2C%20the%20overall%20proven%20reoffending%20rate%20has%20fluctuated%20between,to%20be%20proven%20in%20court.
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Post by Veritas on Jun 1, 2023 13:02:31 GMT
Excellent expose on C4 News last night about the government's 'get tough' on crime and sentencing agenda and promise to create an additional 10,000 prison places back in 2010 which has actually produced a net increase of just a couple of hundred places, which are likely to be full in the next few weeks with the result that industrial action by prison warders is likely. Another promise broken. More tough sounding words that go down well with the faithful who never bother to care about following it up.. More prison spots would be a great campaign promise if prison led to rehabilitation and reduce reoffending. harvardpolitics.com/recidivism-american-progress/#:~:text=When%20prisoners%20are%20released%20in,are%20rearrested%20within%20five%20years. Norway initiate prison policies whereby prisoners can get a working wage, a better education and develop a plan of how to get back into society. When they leave, they have a bit of money so that they aren’t desperate when they get out. Shockingly, this means that they have very low levels of crime versus most other nations. The US has a “tough on crime” policy that the Republicans push. 3/4 of prisoners go back to crime. It’s only effective in making Republicans who own shares in private prisons more money, as well as contributing massively to their campaign funds of course. If the goal of prison is to reduce crime, then spending more money to get people back on track and paying contributing to their economy just seems like a logical thing to me. There are obviously some crimes where this kind of policy won’t work, hence why Norway still have reoffenders (7%). Seems better than the UK’s approach though (23-31%): www.gov.uk/government/statistics/proven-reoffending-statistics-january-to-march-2021/proven-reoffending-statistics-january-to-march-2021#:~:text=Overall%20–%20adult%20and%20juvenile%20offenders,-The%20overall%20proven&text=quarter%20in%202020.-,Over%20time%2C%20the%20overall%20proven%20reoffending%20rate%20has%20fluctuated%20between,to%20be%20proven%20in%20court. Absolutely spot on, for too long UK political discussion on this subject has simply been an escalating we can be tougher than you.
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Post by elystokie on Jun 1, 2023 13:32:21 GMT
More prison spots would be a great campaign promise if prison led to rehabilitation and reduce reoffending. harvardpolitics.com/recidivism-american-progress/#:~:text=When%20prisoners%20are%20released%20in,are%20rearrested%20within%20five%20years. Norway initiate prison policies whereby prisoners can get a working wage, a better education and develop a plan of how to get back into society. When they leave, they have a bit of money so that they aren’t desperate when they get out. Shockingly, this means that they have very low levels of crime versus most other nations. The US has a “tough on crime” policy that the Republicans push. 3/4 of prisoners go back to crime. It’s only effective in making Republicans who own shares in private prisons more money, as well as contributing massively to their campaign funds of course. If the goal of prison is to reduce crime, then spending more money to get people back on track and paying contributing to their economy just seems like a logical thing to me. There are obviously some crimes where this kind of policy won’t work, hence why Norway still have reoffenders (7%). Seems better than the UK’s approach though (23-31%): www.gov.uk/government/statistics/proven-reoffending-statistics-january-to-march-2021/proven-reoffending-statistics-january-to-march-2021#:~:text=Overall%20–%20adult%20and%20juvenile%20offenders,-The%20overall%20proven&text=quarter%20in%202020.-,Over%20time%2C%20the%20overall%20proven%20reoffending%20rate%20has%20fluctuated%20between,to%20be%20proven%20in%20court. Absolutely spot on, for too long UK political discussion on this subject has simply been an escalating we can be tougher than you. Totally agree, the average reading age in UK prisons is apparently 11 years, no wonder some struggle in the outside world. Pretty sure the UK lock more up per capita than any other country in Europe, hard to believe that it's because the population is inherently more criminal than in other European countries.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jun 1, 2023 14:27:37 GMT
More prison spots would be a great campaign promise if prison led to rehabilitation and reduce reoffending. harvardpolitics.com/recidivism-american-progress/#:~:text=When%20prisoners%20are%20released%20in,are%20rearrested%20within%20five%20years. Norway initiate prison policies whereby prisoners can get a working wage, a better education and develop a plan of how to get back into society. When they leave, they have a bit of money so that they aren’t desperate when they get out. Shockingly, this means that they have very low levels of crime versus most other nations. The US has a “tough on crime” policy that the Republicans push. 3/4 of prisoners go back to crime. It’s only effective in making Republicans who own shares in private prisons more money, as well as contributing massively to their campaign funds of course. If the goal of prison is to reduce crime, then spending more money to get people back on track and paying contributing to their economy just seems like a logical thing to me. There are obviously some crimes where this kind of policy won’t work, hence why Norway still have reoffenders (7%). Seems better than the UK’s approach though (23-31%): www.gov.uk/government/statistics/proven-reoffending-statistics-january-to-march-2021/proven-reoffending-statistics-january-to-march-2021#:~:text=Overall%20–%20adult%20and%20juvenile%20offenders,-The%20overall%20proven&text=quarter%20in%202020.-,Over%20time%2C%20the%20overall%20proven%20reoffending%20rate%20has%20fluctuated%20between,to%20be%20proven%20in%20court. Absolutely spot on, for too long UK political discussion on this subject has simply been an escalating we can be tougher than you. It's the Daily Mail effect. Middle England. Those who respond well to authoritarianism without really understanding the full picture.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jun 1, 2023 15:41:20 GMT
They've not handed the docs over then....
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jun 1, 2023 15:51:41 GMT
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jun 1, 2023 16:05:26 GMT
Is this government actually trying to look as corrupt and incompetent as possible
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 1, 2023 16:26:20 GMT
Is this government actually trying to look as corrupt and incompetent as possible Sunak has just been on Sky claiming that we (the government) will CONTINUE to cooperate FULLY with the inquiry. Continue, fully? How stupid do you think the British public actually is? You've just announced that you're going to go to court in a blatant attempt NOT to cooperate with the inquiry fully. Yes Prime Minister never got anywhere near this ridiculousness!
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