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Post by Veritas on May 22, 2023 12:33:07 GMT
What an own goal from the Home Sec. People get done for speeding all the time, it's no big deal to the vast majority of the public. With what she likely takes home, I'm amazed a rise in her insurance premiums was a driver for trying to wangle a private course and risking a political backlash if that came out. And even if she was forced to take a speed awareness course with members of the public, is that not an opportunity to engage and actually market yourself as a face of the people, tweet about what a rewarding and eye-opening experience the course was etc? The thing is, the vast majority of speed awareness courses conducted nowadays, are done online and Braverman requested that her camera was to be turned off and that she would be allowed to use an alias. It was nothing to do with not having to meet the public, she was clearly attempting to HIDE the fact that she had been caught speeding and she used civil servants in her attempt to do so, which is a clear breach of the ministerial code. Furthermore her PA lied to the press just 6 weeks ago and claimed that she hadn't even been given a speeding ticket AT ALL! Is it a complete coincidence that she makes a personal leadership pitch at the NatC conference last Wednesday and by the weekend this story has leaked? I doubt it Sunak hasn't got the nerve to do it or even order it.
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Post by Veritas on May 22, 2023 12:34:57 GMT
She could become the first Home Secretary to be fired twice in less than a year! The Tories are intent on breaking all the records
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Post by iglugluk on May 22, 2023 13:08:31 GMT
Interview with Robert F Kennedy Jr.. obviously not directly about the UK although clearly the same issues occurring. When America sneezes the World catches a cold..[/quote] He's a fucking nutjob. [/quote]
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 22, 2023 14:24:40 GMT
The thing is, the vast majority of speed awareness courses conducted nowadays, are done online and Braverman requested that her camera was to be turned off and that she would be allowed to use an alias. It was nothing to do with not having to meet the public, she was clearly attempting to HIDE the fact that she had been caught speeding and she used civil servants in her attempt to do so, which is a clear breach of the ministerial code. Furthermore her PA lied to the press just 6 weeks ago and claimed that she hadn't even been given a speeding ticket AT ALL! Is it a complete coincidence that she makes a personal leadership pitch at the NatC conference last Wednesday and by the weekend this story has leaked? I doubt it Sunak hasn't got the nerve to do it or even order it.
Somebody is briefing against her, whether that is as a result of her shenanigans at the NatC last week, who knows but it does seem a bit of a coincidence that the story has broken this weekend, she made a lot of enemies last week.
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Post by Veritas on May 22, 2023 14:43:34 GMT
I doubt it Sunak hasn't got the nerve to do it or even order it. Somebody is briefing against her, whether that is as a result of her shenanigans at the NatC last week, who knows but it does seem a bit of a coincidence that the story has broken this weekend, she made a lot of enemies last week.
There is no doubt she has made enemies both inside and outside the Tory party
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 22, 2023 16:24:49 GMT
I doubt it Sunak hasn't got the nerve to do it or even order it.
Somebody is briefing against her, whether that is as a result of her shenanigans at the NatC last week, who knows but it does seem a bit of a coincidence that the story has broken this weekend, she made a lot of enemies last week.
That was definitely the insinuation in today's Telegraph, quoting many of her (often un-named!) allies who seem to think the timing is not coincidental. The Teorygraph are clearly supporters in general. I can't see many others being supportive though. I don't get the feeling that there is any groundswell of popular support for someone who is largely unknown apart from breaking the ministerial code, having to resign, being reinstated, banging on about boats in an obviously populist way and quite possibly having to resign again. That's it. If that's good enough for a leadership bid, pretty much anyone can have a go!
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 22, 2023 21:11:22 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 22, 2023 21:20:25 GMT
Somebody is briefing against her, whether that is as a result of her shenanigans at the NatC last week, who knows but it does seem a bit of a coincidence that the story has broken this weekend, she made a lot of enemies last week.
That was definitely the insinuation in today's Telegraph, quoting many of her (often un-named!) allies who seem to think the timing is not coincidental. The Teorygraph are clearly supporters in general. I can't see many others being supportive though. I don't get the feeling that there is any groundswell of popular support for someone who is largely unknown apart from breaking the ministerial code, having to resign, being reinstated, banging on about boats in an obviously populist way and quite possibly having to resign again. That's it. If that's good enough for a leadership bid, pretty much anyone can have a go! It certainly seems that way ...
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Post by generationex on May 22, 2023 21:51:08 GMT
Not like a Brexit Tory to jump from the sinking ship is it?! At least he can make his millions without having to worry about being called out as a bully/fraud/nutter.
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Post by wannabee on May 22, 2023 23:40:38 GMT
I find it depressing that a creeping tendency within Government to suppress alternative thought or tolerate any criticism has now been normalised sometimes in quite sinister ways Previously it was taken for granted that certain publications would be pro or anti Government organs and you could filter your readership of these accordingly In the Internet age expression of views has become like the wild west and like arseholes everyone has got one In order to curb the more overt demonstrations of dissent The Public Order Bill gives sweeping powers to Police, directed by politicians, to disrupt any form of protest to the distaste of Government. We recently saw this in operation during The Coronation - it will get worse Digital disturbance is trickier but attempts are being made to do so. Of supreme irony Woke and Cancel Culture is weaponised by The Right to berate The Left yet The Right are the leading exponents of its use, at least as far as current Government is concerned The hypocrisy itself doesn't bother me as such, it's to be expected, but the progressive erosion of any semblance of honesty or integrity in normal political discourse This Article illustrates the antithesis www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2021/oct/03/conservatives-take-aim-at-cancel-culture-and-woke-aggressionThe Tory party conference has opened with a battle cry against “woke aggression”, with cabinet ministers decrying “cancel culture” and expected to rail against leftwing bias at the BBC.Oliver Dowden (Deputy PM) criticised cancel culture, which he described as “bullying and haranguing of individuals” for their views, and claimed Labour “has got woke running through it like a stick of Brighton rock”.And yet Rees-Mogg introduced a new policy for Civil Servants to trawl back 5 years for any negative tweets posted by prospective speakers at "Learning and Development Events" www.google.com/amp/s/amp.lbc.co.uk/news/trawl-social-media-criticism-government-rees-mogg/The latest recipient of this Government Cancel Culture policy is Dan Kaszeta who made some negative comments on Governments Immigration Policy. He is still a very Specialist Weapons Expert who was going to speak and advise Government on his area of expertise but was Cancelled because he was critical of Government in a totally unrelated area He received an email last month - which has been shown to Newsnight - that told him: "Rules introduced by the Cabinet Office in 2022 specify that the social media accounts of potential speakers must be vetted before final acceptance to the programme. The vetting is impartial and purely evidence-based."The check on your social media has identified material that criticises government officials and policy. It is for this reason and not because we do not value your technical insight, that I'm afraid that we have no choice and must cancel your invitation to the CWD conference."www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-65675247.ampThis is extreme Government Bullying to sanction anyone who criticises any area of Government Policy never mind depriving Government the insight of his expertise I could be hyperbolic and compare this to North Korea, but it's not far off Stalin's Regime For the avoidance of doubt, I do not believe if Labour/Starmer were to win the next GE he would repeal these Laws/Policies Johnson has poisoned the well as to what standards are tolerable in this "Democracy" It will only be sufficient to operate slightly elevated from those until a proper rules based code is implemented with independent scrutiny and sanctions
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 23, 2023 6:37:11 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 23, 2023 9:28:01 GMT
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Post by elystokie on May 23, 2023 9:31:24 GMT
😂 It's going to be so amusing to watch her leadership bid, plibt 😄
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 23, 2023 9:53:47 GMT
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Post by wannabee on May 23, 2023 10:15:14 GMT
Dishy Rishi didn't become PM until October in September we had Luscious Liz, I know its hard to keep up Simon Case must be unsackable because he knows where so many bodies are buried. He's been at the heart of every Conservative scandal for the last four years either by being personally involved or in the cover up They're like rats in a sack the whole lot of them and they just don't care.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 23, 2023 10:48:20 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 23, 2023 11:12:23 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2023 12:48:15 GMT
It’s always nice to try and fail upwards I suppose 😂
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 23, 2023 13:02:35 GMT
Extremely hard to believe that somebody senior isn't orchestrating all these leaks, it can't be sheer coincidence that all of them are breaking at the same time.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 23, 2023 13:20:00 GMT
Extremely hard to believe that somebody senior isn't orchestrating all these leaks, it can't be sheer coincidence that all of them are breaking at the same time. Agreed and it seems to be in response to her clear attempts to start a leadership bid. She got 27 votes last time I recall.
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Post by yeswilko on May 23, 2023 13:24:30 GMT
It’s always nice to try and fail upwards I suppose 😂 Remember Chris Grayling?! 😂
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Post by wannabee on May 23, 2023 13:39:13 GMT
Extremely hard to believe that somebody senior isn't orchestrating all these leaks, it can't be sheer coincidence that all of them are breaking at the same time. Undoubtedly Paul but the ultimate target is Rishi not Braverman and testing Rishi's mettle to see how he responds either way its win win There is only one faction that could hope to gain from this and that's Johnson and his acolytes I hate Braverman with a passion but she is stupid enough to believe in her own very limited abilities If she had a level of competence even in her own "alleged" area of competence she wouldn't continuously make these basis errors of judgment which can so easily be used against her at an opportune time. In order to exaggerate her achievements she massively embellishes them like the case last year where she put on her CV that she contributed to a seminal book on a Law Texbook. The actual author was so incensed he went public to say she might have done some photocopying www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/suella-braverman-accused-faking-contribution-law-textbook-b1030013.html
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 23, 2023 14:11:10 GMT
Extremely hard to believe that somebody senior isn't orchestrating all these leaks, it can't be sheer coincidence that all of them are breaking at the same time. Undoubtedly Paul but the ultimate target is Rishi not Braverman and testing Rishi's mettle to see how he responds either way its win win There is only one faction that could hope to gain from this and that's Johnson and his acolytes I hate Braverman with a passion but she is stupid enough to believe in her own very limited abilities If she had a level of competence even in her own "alleged" area of competence she wouldn't continuously make these basis errors of judgment which can so easily be used against her at an opportune time. In order to exaggerate her achievements she massively embellishes them like the case last year where she put on her CV that she contributed to a seminal book on a Law Texbook. The actual author was so incensed he went public to say she might have done some photocopying www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/suella-braverman-accused-faking-contribution-law-textbook-b1030013.htmlBut for how much longer is the British public going to have to suffer because of the infighting of the Tory party? We had the referendum bestowed upon us due to Cameron attempting to appease the right of his party and what have we got as a result? A much poorer economy and a Tory party divided as much as ever. With Tories, it's in their DNA to only be in it for themselves, so by definition, it's impossible for them to work collectively for the good of the country. Starmer takes a lot of flack but it can't be denied that he has the majority of his party singing from the same hymn sheet.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 23, 2023 14:22:22 GMT
Undoubtedly Paul but the ultimate target is Rishi not Braverman and testing Rishi's mettle to see how he responds either way its win win There is only one faction that could hope to gain from this and that's Johnson and his acolytes I hate Braverman with a passion but she is stupid enough to believe in her own very limited abilities If she had a level of competence even in her own "alleged" area of competence she wouldn't continuously make these basis errors of judgment which can so easily be used against her at an opportune time. In order to exaggerate her achievements she massively embellishes them like the case last year where she put on her CV that she contributed to a seminal book on a Law Texbook. The actual author was so incensed he went public to say she might have done some photocopying www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/suella-braverman-accused-faking-contribution-law-textbook-b1030013.htmlBut for how much longer is the British public going to have to suffer because of the infighting of the Tory party? We had the referendum bestowed upon us due to Cameron attempting to appease the right of his party and what have we got as a result? A much poorer economy and a Tory party divided as much as ever. With Tories, it's in their DNA to only be in it for themselves, so by definition, it's impossible for them to work collectively for the good of the country. Starmer takes a lot of flack but it can't be denied that he has the majority of his party singing from the same hymn sheet. There was talk of a November GE, as it stands today I can't see it Paul. Looking more like they will go to the bitter end, early 2025 I think?
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Post by gawa on May 23, 2023 14:57:22 GMT
Extremely hard to believe that somebody senior isn't orchestrating all these leaks, it can't be sheer coincidence that all of them are breaking at the same time. I'd be more worried about what the leaks are potentially distracting us from to be honest. This has happened a few times over the last couple of years where leaks have came out during another big story and acted as a distraction.
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Post by lordb on May 23, 2023 15:04:12 GMT
But for how much longer is the British public going to have to suffer because of the infighting of the Tory party? We had the referendum bestowed upon us due to Cameron attempting to appease the right of his party and what have we got as a result? A much poorer economy and a Tory party divided as much as ever. With Tories, it's in their DNA to only be in it for themselves, so by definition, it's impossible for them to work collectively for the good of the country. Starmer takes a lot of flack but it can't be denied that he has the majority of his party singing from the same hymn sheet. There was talk of a November GE, as it stands today I can't see it Paul. Looking more like they will go to the bitter end, early 2025 I think? January 2025 is the last month they could go to can Sunak last that long? Are we going to see another coup with Johnson returning? Will Sunak call it earlier to prevent that happening i. e. He'd rather lose to Starmer than Boris back?
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 23, 2023 15:49:55 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 23, 2023 15:51:54 GMT
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Post by gawa on May 23, 2023 15:52:07 GMT
Undoubtedly Paul but the ultimate target is Rishi not Braverman and testing Rishi's mettle to see how he responds either way its win win There is only one faction that could hope to gain from this and that's Johnson and his acolytes I hate Braverman with a passion but she is stupid enough to believe in her own very limited abilities If she had a level of competence even in her own "alleged" area of competence she wouldn't continuously make these basis errors of judgment which can so easily be used against her at an opportune time. In order to exaggerate her achievements she massively embellishes them like the case last year where she put on her CV that she contributed to a seminal book on a Law Texbook. The actual author was so incensed he went public to say she might have done some photocopying www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/suella-braverman-accused-faking-contribution-law-textbook-b1030013.htmlBut for how much longer is the British public going to have to suffer because of the infighting of the Tory party? We had the referendum bestowed upon us due to Cameron attempting to appease the right of his party and what have we got as a result? A much poorer economy and a Tory party divided as much as ever. With Tories, it's in their DNA to only be in it for themselves, so by definition, it's impossible for them to work collectively for the good of the country. Starmer takes a lot of flack but it can't be denied that he has the majority of his party singing from the same hymn sheet. Agree with everything bar the last paragraph. I think it's more that they know if they give the right wing media an inch they'll take a mile. So they need to put on happy faces and pretend everything is OK and everyone is behind Starmer. I don't think that's the case at all though behind the scenes. It's more that labour are using a tumbledryer in the kitchen while the tories are still hanging their dirty underwear for all to see.
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Post by lordb on May 23, 2023 15:54:45 GMT
But for how much longer is the British public going to have to suffer because of the infighting of the Tory party? We had the referendum bestowed upon us due to Cameron attempting to appease the right of his party and what have we got as a result? A much poorer economy and a Tory party divided as much as ever. With Tories, it's in their DNA to only be in it for themselves, so by definition, it's impossible for them to work collectively for the good of the country. Starmer takes a lot of flack but it can't be denied that he has the majority of his party singing from the same hymn sheet. Agree with everything bar the last paragraph. I think it's more that they know if they give the right wing media an inch they'll take a mile. So they need to put on happy faces and pretend everything is OK and everyone is behind Starmer. I don't think that's the case at all though behind the scenes. It's more that labour are using a tumbledryer in the kitchen while the tories are still hanging their dirty underwear for all to see. Can you support that with some examples? If there is discontent within Labour MPs it's very well hidden
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