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Post by gawa on May 23, 2023 16:05:15 GMT
Agree with everything bar the last paragraph. I think it's more that they know if they give the right wing media an inch they'll take a mile. So they need to put on happy faces and pretend everything is OK and everyone is behind Starmer. I don't think that's the case at all though behind the scenes. It's more that labour are using a tumbledryer in the kitchen while the tories are still hanging their dirty underwear for all to see. Can you support that with some examples? If there is discontent within Labour MPs it's very well hidden Yep. The forde report showed that there is an increasing amount of racism against black members under Starmers leadership. More jewish people have been purged from the party than ever before. The NEC have interfered and tried to block multiple labour candidates from standing at election rather than allowing the members of the constituencies to choose their representatives they want to go for election. Members of the party have had the whip removed for attending and supporting strikes. The tories have alluded to it just as much too last week: (The fact she doesn't deny the claims either and her face while they're being made basically confirms it for me too) One of those to be shafted by Starmer was Rayners boyfriend Sam Tarry too - www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12021231/Angela-Rayner-offers-support-soulmate-MP-boyfriend-Sam-Tarry-battles-deselection.html
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Post by gawa on May 23, 2023 16:06:14 GMT
Team Rayner <3
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 23, 2023 16:38:48 GMT
But for how much longer is the British public going to have to suffer because of the infighting of the Tory party? We had the referendum bestowed upon us due to Cameron attempting to appease the right of his party and what have we got as a result? A much poorer economy and a Tory party divided as much as ever. With Tories, it's in their DNA to only be in it for themselves, so by definition, it's impossible for them to work collectively for the good of the country. Starmer takes a lot of flack but it can't be denied that he has the majority of his party singing from the same hymn sheet. Agree with everything bar the last paragraph. I think it's more that they know if they give the right wing media an inch they'll take a mile. So they need to put on happy faces and pretend everything is OK and everyone is behind Starmer. I don't think that's the case at all though behind the scenes. It's more that labour are using a tumbledryer in the kitchen while the tories are still hanging their dirty underwear for all to see.
Hmmm ... I don't really agree mate.
The Tories have lurched dramatically to the right since Johnson got into number 10 and the party is still pulling itself apart, as the right attempt to openly grab more power.
Labour of course did lurch to the left under Corbyn but what Starmer has managed to do (for better or for worse) is pull the party back into the centre ground.
Of course nothing is ever going to be perfect but I really do think that Labour has a more united front (at least publicly) than the Tories and there certainly isn't a hard candidate from the left of the party attempting to usurp Starmer.
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Post by gawa on May 23, 2023 16:41:59 GMT
Agree with everything bar the last paragraph. I think it's more that they know if they give the right wing media an inch they'll take a mile. So they need to put on happy faces and pretend everything is OK and everyone is behind Starmer. I don't think that's the case at all though behind the scenes. It's more that labour are using a tumbledryer in the kitchen while the tories are still hanging their dirty underwear for all to see.
Hmmm ... I don't really agree mate.
The Tories have lurched dramatically to the right since Johnson got into number 10 and the party is still pulling itself apart, as the right attempt to openly grab more power.
Labour of course did lurch to the left under Corbyn but what Starmer has managed to do (for better or for worse) is pull the party back into the centre ground.
Of course nothing is ever going to be perfect but I really do think that Labour has a more united front (at least publicly) than the Tories and there certainly isn't a hard candidate from the left of the party attempting to usurp Starmer.
Certainly much more united than tories, I'm not debating that for a second. And I agree noone is trying to usurp Starmer either. I don't believe that they're all singing from the same hymn seat though. To which degree who knows.
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 23, 2023 16:59:56 GMT
Hmmm ... I don't really agree mate.
The Tories have lurched dramatically to the right since Johnson got into number 10 and the party is still pulling itself apart, as the right attempt to openly grab more power.
Labour of course did lurch to the left under Corbyn but what Starmer has managed to do (for better or for worse) is pull the party back into the centre ground.
Of course nothing is ever going to be perfect but I really do think that Labour has a more united front (at least publicly) than the Tories and there certainly isn't a hard candidate from the left of the party attempting to usurp Starmer.
Certainly much more united than tories, I'm not debating that for a second. And I agree noone is trying to usurp Starmer either. I don't believe that they're all singing from the same hymn seat though. To which degree who knows.
That's why I was careful not to suggest that they all were mate.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 23, 2023 17:06:14 GMT
Hmmm ... I don't really agree mate.
The Tories have lurched dramatically to the right since Johnson got into number 10 and the party is still pulling itself apart, as the right attempt to openly grab more power.
Labour of course did lurch to the left under Corbyn but what Starmer has managed to do (for better or for worse) is pull the party back into the centre ground.
Of course nothing is ever going to be perfect but I really do think that Labour has a more united front (at least publicly) than the Tories and there certainly isn't a hard candidate from the left of the party attempting to usurp Starmer.
Certainly much more united than tories, I'm not debating that for a second. And I agree noone is trying to usurp Starmer either. I don't believe that they're all singing from the same hymn seat though. To which degree who knows. No party ever does sing entirely from the same hymn sheet, not least because there are always different political elements in each party just like there is in ordinary life, or on here! What always happens is that when a party is on its arse, as the Tory Party currently is, the desire to sit on one's hands, keep one's mouth shut etc is much less attractive: grievances are more openly aired because there is less to lose for a start and you might be able to position yourself for leadership or for a higher profile when it all comes crashing down. Conversely, whenever a party is doing well in the polls, looks likely to win the next election, etc, the opposite happens. People who would normally not be supportive of centrist politics keep largely quiet in the hope that they can make a difference when actually in power. Again, it make sense. If Labour does win the election, it won't take long until Starmer has a different set of problems on his hands: people in his own party making life difficult for him because he's not delivering enough of what they think is important, not just the Opposition. Twas ever thus. Blair had his share but one of his successes as a leader was that the Party as a whole never looked particularly disunited. The internal spats and wranglings of the Tory Party are a sign that they know the game is most likely up. Still over a year until the next election presumably so a long time to go, but with so many of the previous big hitters jumping ship, the signs are not good.
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 23, 2023 17:19:48 GMT
Certainly much more united than tories, I'm not debating that for a second. And I agree noone is trying to usurp Starmer either. I don't believe that they're all singing from the same hymn seat though. To which degree who knows. No party ever does sing entirely from the same hymn sheet, not least because there are always different political elements in each party just like there is in ordinary life, or on here! What always happens is that when a party is on its arse, as the Tory Party currently is, the desire to sit on one's hands, keep one's mouth shut etc is much less attractive: grievances are more openly aired because there is less to lose for a start and you might be able to position yourself for leadership or for a higher profile when it all comes crashing down. Conversely, whenever a party is doing well in the polls, looks likely to win the next election, etc, the opposite happens. People who would normally not be supportive of centrist politics keep largely quiet in the hope that they can make a difference when actually in power. Again, it make sense. If Labour does win the election, it won't take long until Starmer has a different set of problems on his hands: people in his own party making life difficult for him because he's not delivering enough of what they think is important, not just the Opposition. Twas ever thus. Blair had his share but one of his successes as a leader was that the Party as a whole never looked particularly disunited. The internal spats and wranglings of the Tory Party are a sign that they know the game is most likely up. Still over a year until the next election presumably so a long time to go, but with so many of the previous big hitters jumping ship, the signs are not good.
Agree with the vast majority of that mate, especially about Blair maintaining the look of a united party.
I'm not sure about the very last bit though. I don't think the internal spats and wranglings of the Tory Party are a sign that they know the game is up but rather, that's what the Tories, erm ... do. There's always seemed to perpetual infighting with them, especially over Europe, indeed that's why Cameron felt he had no other choice but to offer the right of his party the referendum and that has solved precisely sweet FA in terms of uniting them.
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Post by andystokey on May 23, 2023 18:28:21 GMT
Extremely hard to believe that somebody senior isn't orchestrating all these leaks, it can't be sheer coincidence that all of them are breaking at the same time. Undoubtedly Paul but the ultimate target is Rishi not Braverman and testing Rishi's mettle to see how he responds either way its win win There is only one faction that could hope to gain from this and that's Johnson and his acolytes I hate Braverman with a passion but she is stupid enough to believe in her own very limited abilities If she had a level of competence even in her own "alleged" area of competence she wouldn't continuously make these basis errors of judgment which can so easily be used against her at an opportune time. In order to exaggerate her achievements she massively embellishes them like the case last year where she put on her CV that she contributed to a seminal book on a Law Texbook. The actual author was so incensed he went public to say she might have done some photocopying www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/suella-braverman-accused-faking-contribution-law-textbook-b1030013.htmlIf it is Bozo's camp, someone has just fired one back in his direction. It's like the fall of the Roman empire. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-65690243
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Post by elystokie on May 23, 2023 18:38:16 GMT
Undoubtedly Paul but the ultimate target is Rishi not Braverman and testing Rishi's mettle to see how he responds either way its win win There is only one faction that could hope to gain from this and that's Johnson and his acolytes I hate Braverman with a passion but she is stupid enough to believe in her own very limited abilities If she had a level of competence even in her own "alleged" area of competence she wouldn't continuously make these basis errors of judgment which can so easily be used against her at an opportune time. In order to exaggerate her achievements she massively embellishes them like the case last year where she put on her CV that she contributed to a seminal book on a Law Texbook. The actual author was so incensed he went public to say she might have done some photocopying www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/suella-braverman-accused-faking-contribution-law-textbook-b1030013.htmlIf it is Bozo's camp, someone has just fired one back in his direction. It's like the fall of the Roman empire. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-65690243"The former prime minister, who was fined last year for breaking Covid rules in 2020, denies any wrongdoing." Well I for one am absolutely gobsmacked!! 😂
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 23, 2023 20:06:49 GMT
This government is such a backward bunch of idiots.
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Post by knype on May 23, 2023 20:08:22 GMT
This government is such a backward bunch of idiots. Seems strange actually targeting people contributing to the economy and who may possibly go onto live and actually work and pay taxes here.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 23, 2023 20:10:44 GMT
This government is such a backward bunch of idiots. Seems strange actually targeting people contributing to the economy and who may possibly go onto live and actually work and pay taxes here. Yup and pay massive fees for the privilege that will then contribute to jobs at universities, they’ll live in the community so will spend money in the community etc. It’s such a bad move.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 23, 2023 20:11:40 GMT
No party ever does sing entirely from the same hymn sheet, not least because there are always different political elements in each party just like there is in ordinary life, or on here! What always happens is that when a party is on its arse, as the Tory Party currently is, the desire to sit on one's hands, keep one's mouth shut etc is much less attractive: grievances are more openly aired because there is less to lose for a start and you might be able to position yourself for leadership or for a higher profile when it all comes crashing down. Conversely, whenever a party is doing well in the polls, looks likely to win the next election, etc, the opposite happens. People who would normally not be supportive of centrist politics keep largely quiet in the hope that they can make a difference when actually in power. Again, it make sense. If Labour does win the election, it won't take long until Starmer has a different set of problems on his hands: people in his own party making life difficult for him because he's not delivering enough of what they think is important, not just the Opposition. Twas ever thus. Blair had his share but one of his successes as a leader was that the Party as a whole never looked particularly disunited. The internal spats and wranglings of the Tory Party are a sign that they know the game is most likely up. Still over a year until the next election presumably so a long time to go, but with so many of the previous big hitters jumping ship, the signs are not good.
Agree with the vast majority of that mate, especially about Blair maintaining the look of a united party.
I'm not sure about the very last bit though. I don't think the internal spats and wranglings of the Tory Party are a sign that they know the game is up but rather, that's what the Tories, erm ... do. There's always seemed to perpetual infighting with them, especially over Europe, indeed that's why Cameron felt he had no other choice but to offer the right of his party the referendum and that has solved precisely sweet FA in terms of uniting them.
Yes, that's a very good comment about Europe. The whole point of the Brexit referendum was Cameron shitting it about more defections to UKIP. In that sense at least Brexit has been successful to a large extent. UKIP is irrelevant, no-one is talking about leaving the Tories to a different, more right-wing party. Shame about the shit for the rest of the country as a whole, of course, but that doesn't really matter.
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Post by knype on May 23, 2023 20:12:31 GMT
Seems strange actually targeting people contributing to the economy and who may possibly go onto live and actually work and pay taxes here. Yup and pay massive fees for the privilege that will then contribute to jobs at universities, they’ll live in the community so will spend money in the community etc. It’s such a bad move. Yep. Wrong move on this one. They're obviously panicking over the figures that are due out on Thursday
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 23, 2023 20:17:05 GMT
This government is such a backward bunch of idiots. Seems strange actually targeting people contributing to the economy and who may possibly go onto live and actually work and pay taxes here.
Yep, Braverman is a complete idiot.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 23, 2023 20:17:47 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 23, 2023 21:35:10 GMT
Absolute bunch of piss takers
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 23, 2023 21:37:01 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 23, 2023 21:40:14 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 23, 2023 21:49:12 GMT
If he had been funding his own defence, then he might have a case but once he'd asked the tax payer to cover his legal costs, then they were legally obliged to do so. Has he taken any legal advice before coming out with this latest guff? 🤦♂️
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Post by gawa on May 23, 2023 22:01:28 GMT
This government is such a backward bunch of idiots. Not listened to the report so just read the headline. I'm not completely opposed to this to be brutally honest. 22% of our university spots are taking up by international students. We have some of the best higher education institutes in the world. The statistics for how many remain long term are hard to find with different amounts floating about. Some get extensions to work for a few years after but the vast majority don't remain full time. Alot of cuts are on the way to multiple areas by the looks of things. I know there are talks of university places being cut in my local uni due to costs and budgets being stretched. International students shouldn't be prioritised over UK students As for what they bring into the economy. It also increases demand on struggling public services and housing further increasing rent and such. With asylum seekers it's different as these are people escaping terrible conditions in most instances and we have a morale duty to help. Plus I imagine those granted asylum stay here much longer than the average international student. Net migration is on the up and public services are on the down. Deterrents and cuts have to be made somewhere. I much prefer this than targeting the most vulnerable. It's very easy to just say yes to everything and be Mr liberal 2023 but the good cop has to be willing to place boundaries at times too or things get out of control. I don't think this is the worst proposal I've heard to tackle increasing net migration. What's your alternative suggestion or proposals? Just like to say again I've not watched the video as sound doesn't play on my phone. So maybe I'm missing some context?
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 23, 2023 22:11:28 GMT
Good old Boris. Just when you think he might finally have fucked off for good and done us all a favour, he pops back up as a reminder of just how much worse things actually could be!
Who would've thought there were further instances of potential law-breaking that didn't surface at the time!
Lest we forget the current PM is also guilty of breaking the law while in office. Not a resigning matter these days though.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 23, 2023 22:14:56 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 23, 2023 22:21:45 GMT
This government is such a backward bunch of idiots. Not listened to the report so just read the headline. I'm not completely opposed to this to be brutally honest. 22% of our university spots are taking up by international students. We have some of the best higher education institutes in the world. The statistics for how many remain long term are hard to find with different amounts floating about. Some get extensions to work for a few years after but the vast majority don't remain full time. Alot of cuts are on the way to multiple areas by the looks of things. I know there are talks of university places being cut in my local uni due to costs and budgets being stretched. International students shouldn't be prioritised over UK students As for what they bring into the economy. It also increases demand on struggling public services and housing further increasing rent and such. With asylum seekers it's different as these are people escaping terrible conditions in most instances and we have a morale duty to help. Plus I imagine those granted asylum stay here much longer than the average international student. Net migration is on the up and public services are on the down. Deterrents and cuts have to be made somewhere. I much prefer this than targeting the most vulnerable. It's very easy to just say yes to everything and be Mr liberal 2023 but the good cop has to be willing to place boundaries at times too or things get out of control. I don't think this is the worst proposal I've heard to tackle increasing net migration. What's your alternative suggestion or proposals? Just like to say again I've not watched the video as sound doesn't play on my phone. So maybe I'm missing some context? International students bring a lot of money into this country and there’s no prioritising them over home students. That’s a crazy notion. This country needs more money and international students do that. Migration makes the country a net profit too. It’s just not a very good argument and I’m surprised you’ve been taken in that immigration is an actual issue at all tbh. There’s no need or basis for this at all.
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 23, 2023 22:32:01 GMT
Thats what you call karma ... imagine if his own greed, ultimately proves to be the thing that buries him!
"They claim that the Cabinet Office gave Johnson no notice of the police referrals, denying him the chance to lay out his own version of the facts concoct some cock and bull story first."
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Post by wannabee on May 23, 2023 22:52:04 GMT
Undoubtedly Paul but the ultimate target is Rishi not Braverman and testing Rishi's mettle to see how he responds either way its win win There is only one faction that could hope to gain from this and that's Johnson and his acolytes I hate Braverman with a passion but she is stupid enough to believe in her own very limited abilities If she had a level of competence even in her own "alleged" area of competence she wouldn't continuously make these basis errors of judgment which can so easily be used against her at an opportune time. In order to exaggerate her achievements she massively embellishes them like the case last year where she put on her CV that she contributed to a seminal book on a Law Texbook. The actual author was so incensed he went public to say she might have done some photocopying www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/suella-braverman-accused-faking-contribution-law-textbook-b1030013.htmlIf it is Bozo's camp, someone has just fired one back in his direction. It's like the fall of the Roman empire. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-65690243But who has actually fired it? It seems to me that Johnson/His legal team (paid for by Taxpayer) handed over Johnsons Diaries he kept during the Covid period of meetings in No 10 and Checkers. Some of those meetings were asterisked to say they were meetings held under Covid Rules. The Cabinet Office on receiving them and in passing (the hot potatoe) them to Lawyers representing Government in Covid Inquiry felt they need to pass them to the Met for confirmation no rules were broken. Just as an aside this is the Met who provided 24 Hour Security and Monitoring of No 10 and Checkers and never saw a rule broken never mind a Party. To me this smells of a very dead Cat. It also again puts Rishi on the spot to back Johnson or otherwise While the Met plod along (pun intended) on this new investigation the Select Committee have to pause there deliberations on Johnson's previous "hand on heart" bullshit he gave to the Committee How convenient would it be for Johnson to be exonerated from this latest investigation at the same time as the Committee might find him guilty of lying to Parliament An excessive punishment by the Committee in those circumstances might seem to be Political bias Of course all this might be complete Bollocks
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Post by gawa on May 23, 2023 23:14:57 GMT
Not listened to the report so just read the headline. I'm not completely opposed to this to be brutally honest. 22% of our university spots are taking up by international students. We have some of the best higher education institutes in the world. The statistics for how many remain long term are hard to find with different amounts floating about. Some get extensions to work for a few years after but the vast majority don't remain full time. Alot of cuts are on the way to multiple areas by the looks of things. I know there are talks of university places being cut in my local uni due to costs and budgets being stretched. International students shouldn't be prioritised over UK students As for what they bring into the economy. It also increases demand on struggling public services and housing further increasing rent and such. With asylum seekers it's different as these are people escaping terrible conditions in most instances and we have a morale duty to help. Plus I imagine those granted asylum stay here much longer than the average international student. Net migration is on the up and public services are on the down. Deterrents and cuts have to be made somewhere. I much prefer this than targeting the most vulnerable. It's very easy to just say yes to everything and be Mr liberal 2023 but the good cop has to be willing to place boundaries at times too or things get out of control. I don't think this is the worst proposal I've heard to tackle increasing net migration. What's your alternative suggestion or proposals? Just like to say again I've not watched the video as sound doesn't play on my phone. So maybe I'm missing some context? International students bring a lot of money into this country and there’s no prioritising them over home students. That’s a crazy notion. This country needs more money and international students do that. Migration makes the country a net profit too. It’s just not a very good argument and I’m surprised you’ve been taken in that immigration is an actual issue at all tbh. There’s no need or basis for this at all. I think it's bizarre that you can suggest it's not an issue at all. We have thousands of people across the country that don't have a dentist. We have people waiting 2 hours for am ambulance after a heart attack. Food banks struggling to meet demand. Private rent prices out of control due to demand outweighing supply. Unless you're building hospitals, train lines, houses, surgery's, schools, dentists, roads and all the other infrastructure to cover the net migration plus population growth in general. And unless you're also training the extra nurses, doctors, teachers, police, dentists to cover this extra ever increasing demand too. Then in reality it's just adding to the demand. This particular policy I believe is also targeted at the family members of international students rather than students themselves. Do they even have visas to work if they're family? In terms of the money they bring in. That's short term gain for a few years of study before they eventually return home. If we had 20% more people in the UK taking some of these subjects, would we maybe not have such dentistry and doctor shortages? If this was 15 years ago before austerity Britain my answer would be different. If we were still in the EU with a stronger economy and better protections my answer would be different. This is brexit Britain now. Immigration is a hot topic for the right wing press and it's been used alot against the tories they last year. Whoever wins the next election is going to be judged on immigration. And there will be an expectation to reduce it because it isn't sustainable with our infrastructure at present. If not family of international students on study visas then who else? Asylum seekers? Those on working visas for jobs with shortages?
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 23, 2023 23:17:09 GMT
International students bring a lot of money into this country and there’s no prioritising them over home students. That’s a crazy notion. This country needs more money and international students do that. Migration makes the country a net profit too. It’s just not a very good argument and I’m surprised you’ve been taken in that immigration is an actual issue at all tbh. There’s no need or basis for this at all. I think it's bizarre that you can suggest it's not an issue at all. We have thousands of people across the country that don't have a dentist. We have people waiting 2 hours for am ambulance after a heart attack. Food banks struggling to meet demand. Private rent prices out of control due to demand outweighing supply. Unless you're building hospitals, train lines, houses, surgery's, schools, dentists, roads and all the other infrastructure to cover the net migration plus population growth in general. And unless you're also training the extra nurses, doctors, teachers, police, dentists to cover this extra ever increasing demand too. Then in reality it's just adding to the demand. This particular policy I believe is also targeted at the family members of international students rather than students themselves. Do they even have visas to work if they're family? In terms of the money they bring in. That's short term gain for a few years of study before they eventually return home. If we had 20% more people in the UK taking some of these subjects, would we maybe not have such dentistry and doctor shortages? If this was 15 years ago before austerity Britain my answer would be different. If we were still in the EU with a stronger economy and better protections my answer would be different. This is brexit Britain now. Immigration is a hot topic for the right wing press and it's been used alot against the tories they last year. Whoever wins the next election is going to be judged on immigration. And there will be an expectation to reduce it because it isn't sustainable with our infrastructure at present. If not family of international students on study visas then who else? Asylum seekers? Those on working visas for jobs with shortages? Those issues aren’t because of immigration. Edit - indeed the only way to solve is more immigrants. Losing Labour to the EU is what has caused this not people coming in. Again I’m really shocked you’ve fallen for this crap.
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Post by gawa on May 23, 2023 23:41:04 GMT
I think it's bizarre that you can suggest it's not an issue at all. We have thousands of people across the country that don't have a dentist. We have people waiting 2 hours for am ambulance after a heart attack. Food banks struggling to meet demand. Private rent prices out of control due to demand outweighing supply. Unless you're building hospitals, train lines, houses, surgery's, schools, dentists, roads and all the other infrastructure to cover the net migration plus population growth in general. And unless you're also training the extra nurses, doctors, teachers, police, dentists to cover this extra ever increasing demand too. Then in reality it's just adding to the demand. This particular policy I believe is also targeted at the family members of international students rather than students themselves. Do they even have visas to work if they're family? In terms of the money they bring in. That's short term gain for a few years of study before they eventually return home. If we had 20% more people in the UK taking some of these subjects, would we maybe not have such dentistry and doctor shortages? If this was 15 years ago before austerity Britain my answer would be different. If we were still in the EU with a stronger economy and better protections my answer would be different. This is brexit Britain now. Immigration is a hot topic for the right wing press and it's been used alot against the tories they last year. Whoever wins the next election is going to be judged on immigration. And there will be an expectation to reduce it because it isn't sustainable with our infrastructure at present. If not family of international students on study visas then who else? Asylum seekers? Those on working visas for jobs with shortages? Those issues aren’t because of immigration. Edit - indeed the only way to solve is more immigrants. Losing Labour to the EU is what has caused this not people coming in. Again I’m really shocked you’ve fallen for this crap. I've not watched the video so my whole discussion is based of a headline. So I'm not sure what was said in that video. Sometimes with politics you've got to play chess rather than checkers. This is going to be a topic up for debate in the election and post election. "Net migration is on the rise. How are you going to get it into control?" The right wing press will have it front of their papers too. When there is still a larger percentage opposed to immigration, despite if we're pro it. Then you need to send a message to get their support too. And if not this group. I ask again. What would your answer be for reducing net migration?
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Post by gawa on May 23, 2023 23:52:28 GMT
Put it this way net migration before brexit was around 330k. And many people predict the bee figures will be over double that. So say it is 650k.
In 3 years that's more than the population of my country.
Net migration has got out of control under this Conservative government. And I'm sorry but unless there is significant investment in infrastructure as well as reform of certain services, then I just don't think the country can keep up with the demand at this moment and time.
And I highlight again how much influence the right wing press have and how much they report on this stuff particularly if the tories are in opposition.
You can't just do nothing. Starmer has to get the numbers down if he becomes leader or else this will be used against him. And if he's not delivering big changes in other areas with noticeable improvements then it could be a very short reign for labour (assuming they win next ge) and potentially another decade plus of tories.
So it's not so much about what I want. I'd prefer more radical solutions and would happily deport large portions of people already here to bring down net migration. But unfortunately that's unethical.
Anyway I'm rambling now.
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