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Post by Paul Spencer on May 21, 2023 21:07:48 GMT
Would anybody like to have a crack at defending this?
He was told, after the failure of the Afghanistan rescue mission, he would have to make his own way to the UK.
Which he did do but because he crossed the channel on a small boat, Braverman wants to send him to Rwanda.
It's just sick.
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on May 21, 2023 21:16:08 GMT
Sunak annoyed at the focus on Braverman. He appointed her , so he should answer the questions.
The only way to drain the Tory swamp will be to fuck the lot of them off.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 21, 2023 21:32:48 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 21, 2023 21:59:29 GMT
Here we go...
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 21, 2023 22:13:08 GMT
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Post by wannabee on May 21, 2023 23:05:43 GMT
Incredible result for Sinn Fein now by far the largest Party. Decent result for Alliance, DUP abstentionist policy neither endorsed or rejected, Ulster Unionists and SDLP in perpetual decline and wonder if they have future relevance First Preference Vote 42% Nationalist Parties 38% Unionist Parties seems like a permanent shift following on from Stormont Elections Would like to see more gravitate to the centre Whats your take on it? Well firstly it is local elections so I think that affects it slightly. In the sense that I had a UUP candidate as first preference as he does alot of good local work. DUP will try to claim protocol support no doubt by maintaining the same number of seats. But alot of those are seats they've absorbed from the likes of UUP/TUV due to our Stv system. And seats they would have got previously on first preference alone they didn't. I feel sorry for UUP/SDLP as I feel they're slightly more moderate from a unionist/nationalist point of view. And it feels everyone is going either extreme to SF/DUP or the more centre ground in Alliance. Whatever the DUP and unionists say they have a massive problem now. The census shows we have a nationalist majority. Most young people from unionist backgrounds hold the DUP in distain too. And their core base is dying off so this gap will just keep growing. SF are getting very lucky in the sense that they're riding this wave of momentum but with stormont collapsed they're not being held to account for anything. So the DUP collapsing stormont plays to their advantage even more because they can't take their seats and thus the whole shit show we have right now SF get no blame for (rightfully so). I think with time SF will be expected to start to deliver results once stormont resumes and this will be their big test. Alot of their supporters are quite naive in the sense they think United Ireland is just round the corner now. Having watched the SNP plight for another referendum vote and then raising it in Westminster every week. I'm not sure how SF voters expect SF to achieve a united ireland when they won't take seats in Westminster and when so many unionists hold them in a bad light. This is where parties like SDLP are better imo from a nationalist pov because they'll take their seats in stormont. They'll call out the IRA unlike SF and they're alot more pallipable to unionists and could be more influential too. Some extreme SF supporters seem to hate SDLP nearly more than DUP which is absurb. I think it's because they're their main competition for Votes. How the DUP/UUP/TUV move forward I do not know. As someone opposed to voting for unionist parties in general, I don't see how they could possibly convince me to move away from alliance/SDLP. UUP I did vote a councillor in for and I have them high on my transfers too usually. Ultimately though this is a win for continued tribalism because SF and DUP have both collapsed the executive for a few years each over the last half decade. And both have been in power sharing for 15 plus years and delivered very little. Modest alliance gains are good too for people like me but until we can close the gap further on the DUP there's still a long way to go. I think the SF vote can still grow further as they have some good policies. But there is a large portion of the community who won't vote for them due to their past. In terms of United Ireland I think discussions may start to happen in the coming years but it's still a long way off. Ultimately when the discussion does happen I imagine labour could be in government and I can't see Starmer wanting to have losing NI being used against him (while most don't care about the UK, I'm sure they'll care if the daily mail call him a traitor for selling NI or whatever way they spin it). If/When that conversation does come there'll be alot of political interference from America I'm sure. And that could be what spins it. In terms of immediate future. The DUP are fucked as they're just not attractive to young voters. I imagine there'll be attempts at a merger from a unionist pov but this still isn't enough. The numbers aren't there anymore. If they want to be the biggest party they need nationalist or neutral vote share. Nationalists won't vote for them as u like SF who have decent policies, the DUP have nada. And neutral voters won't vote them due to their policies and also because voting neutral is a protest in itself against the whole nationalist and unionist sides. UUP is a weird one because where do they go? The hard core unionists seem to go for DUP/TUV more. The moderate unionists who used to vote more for UUP are going towards Alliance. SDLP has a similar conundrum. A SDLP/UUP merger could be monumental but I'm not sure if their supporters would follow them. These were the two parties which delivered the GFA though so they do have a bit of common ground there. As things stand I think nationalist vote share will stay or grow. Neutral vote share (Alliance/Green) should continue to grow. Unionist vote share will continue to drop. Should say again though that with it being local elections it's defo influenced things. If it was a stormont election I think unionist vote share would have been even lower. But some of these councillors have been working in areas for multiple terms and as they're still working while stormont is shut, I think due to that they've been let off a bit. Sorry for just rambling with my views. Many others would interpret it differently I'm sure. It's decent progress anyway because if there's one thing DUP hate more than losing seats; it's seeing SF gain them. And a message has been sent that SF will keep growing while they slowly slip away. Surely should be a wake up call that people are sick of them. Can't stand that fucker Jeffery Donaldson either. Sounds like a right eejit everytine he opens his mouth. Embarrassing for the country. Same goes for Sammy Wilson and many of the other DUP big hitters. Wow, thanks, that's a lot to digest and I wouldn't attempt to second guess someone's lived experience over my external observations Simplistically I see it akin to a conflict like Mr Coke's Sovereignty (DUP) versus Economy (SF) but of course with an existential aim of a UI SFs 8% gain can't be explained entirely by a diversion of voting pattern from other Nationalist Parties. They have a phenomenal well funded grassroots organisation and play the long game. As you well know Voting a Nationalist Party doesn't automatically mean you support a UI but DUP are caught between a rock and a hard place. Continued boycott of Stormont increases the prospect of an end to devolution while entering Stormont means playing second fiddle to SF for the foreseeable future Unionism seems to be at a crossroads with fragmented ideas compared to SFs singular ambition. Some within DUP just can't accept the changing landscape of Society which doesn't attract new younger voters. Forgive me but it seems to me Robinson is caught in a vice where he would like to be more pragmatic but is constrained by more extreme elements like Wilson, Paisley, Dodds etc within his own Party on the one hand and fundamentalists like Poots on the other while the odious Jim Allister is sniping from the outside. Of course you also have to throw your ex player Jamie Bryson into the mix who seems to have a completely different agenda with the only outcome a return to conflict of the past.
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Post by wannabee on May 21, 2023 23:27:14 GMT
Would anybody like to have a crack at defending this? He was told, after the failure of the Afghanistan rescue mission, he would have to make his own way to the UK. Which he did do but because he crossed the channel on a small boat, Braverman wants to send him to Rwanda. It's just sick. At what point in evolution did this Country become so F'cked Up
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Post by wannabee on May 21, 2023 23:43:11 GMT
It's quite the thing when Diane Abbott is tweeting about unpopular MPs Cruella is too stupid to understand that she is being used as a pawn in the Anti Rishi campaign He is either too weak to sack her or if he does provokes the right wing ire, either option is jake. It's no great surprise that Cruella was on speed but the object of Rishi's downfall is either the triumphant return of Libertarian Bozo or Facist Kemi
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 22, 2023 0:21:40 GMT
Would anybody like to have a crack at defending this? He was told, after the failure of the Afghanistan rescue mission, he would have to make his own way to the UK. Which he did do but because he crossed the channel on a small boat, Braverman wants to send him to Rwanda. It's just sick. At what point in evolution did this Country become so F'cked Up
circa 2016-2019?
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 22, 2023 7:02:20 GMT
It's quite the thing when Diane Abbott is tweeting about unpopular MPs Cruella is too stupid to understand that she is being used as a pawn in the Anti Rishi campaign He is either too weak to sack her or if he does provokes the right wing ire, either option is jake. It's no great surprise that Cruella was on speed but the object of Rishi's downfall is either the triumphant return of Libertarian Bozo or Facist Kemi So, who's going to be the new Home Secretary? Can't see Patel coming back to serve under Sunak, but you never know. Patel has always struck me as someone whose principles are easily put to one side when power comes a-calling, but, as a move, it's just like for like (or dislike for dislike, for most people). Zahawi is still tainted by his dodgy tax affairs and the nonsense around being appointed then resigning with 24 hours! Raab has only just gone. Hancock's off anyway. The government is full of ex ministers in some sort of disgrace. It'd have to be someone new, but who are the potentially big hitters to do the job?
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Post by elystokie on May 22, 2023 7:05:13 GMT
It's quite the thing when Diane Abbott is tweeting about unpopular MPs Cruella is too stupid to understand that she is being used as a pawn in the Anti Rishi campaign He is either too weak to sack her or if he doesย provokes the right wing ire, either option is jake. It's no great surprise that Cruella was on speed but the object of Rishi's downfall is either the triumphant return of Libertarian Bozo or Facist Kemi So, who's going to be the new Home Secretary? Can't see Patel coming back to serve under Sunak, but you never know. Patel has always struck me as someone whose principles are easily put to one side when power comes a-calling, but, as a move, it's just like for like (or dislike for dislike, for most people). Zahawi is still tainted by his dodgy tax affairs and the nonsense around being appointed then resigning with 24 hours! Raab has only just gone. Hancock's off anyway. The government is full of ex ministers in some sort of disgrace. It'd have to be someone new, but who are the potentially big hitters to do the job? It's got to be Gullis, obviously..
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 22, 2023 7:08:20 GMT
So, who's going to be the new Home Secretary? Can't see Patel coming back to serve under Sunak, but you never know. Patel has always struck me as someone whose principles are easily put to one side when power comes a-calling, but, as a move, it's just like for like (or dislike for dislike, for most people). Zahawi is still tainted by his dodgy tax affairs and the nonsense around being appointed then resigning with 24 hours! Raab has only just gone. Hancock's off anyway. The government is full of ex ministers in some sort of disgrace. It'd have to be someone new, but who are the potentially big hitters to do the job? It's got to be Gullis, obviously.. Now that I would actually quite like to see...
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Post by elystokie on May 22, 2023 7:15:20 GMT
It's got to be Gullis, obviously.. Now that I would actually quite like to see... Catastrophic but at the same time somewhat hilarious would be my forecast ๐
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Post by Seymour Beaver on May 22, 2023 8:14:15 GMT
It's quite the thing when Diane Abbott is tweeting about unpopular MPs Cruella is too stupid to understand that she is being used as a pawn in the Anti Rishi campaign He is either too weak to sack her or if he doesย provokes the right wing ire, either option is jake. It's no great surprise that Cruella was on speed but the object of Rishi's downfall is either the triumphant return of Libertarian Bozo or Facist Kemi So, who's going to be the new Home Secretary? Can't see Patel coming back to serve under Sunak, but you never know. Patel has always struck me as someone whose principles are easily put to one side when power comes a-calling, but, as a move, it's just like for like (or dislike for dislike, for most people). Zahawi is still tainted by his dodgy tax affairs and the nonsense around being appointed then resigning with 24 hours! Raab has only just gone. Hancock's off anyway. The government is full of ex ministers in some sort of disgrace. It'd have to be someone new, but who are the potentially big hitters to do the job? Lee Anderthal
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Post by lordb on May 22, 2023 8:19:04 GMT
Would anybody like to have a crack at defending this? He was told, after the failure of the Afghanistan rescue mission, he would have to make his own way to the UK. Which he did do but because he crossed the channel on a small boat, Braverman wants to send him to Rwanda. It's just sick. At what point in evolution did this Country become so F'cked Up 1066 Same fucke4s in charge ever since
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Post by lordb on May 22, 2023 8:21:03 GMT
Brexit and Johnson spell as PM has led to the Tories beleiving they can lie far more than they ever did before Nearly all politicians lie but this lot have plumbed depths never before seen I disagree with โnever before seenโ. Perhaps not seen in recent memory but I canโt imagine that those elected through rotten boroughs were somehow less corrupt than this current lot of scum. Good point 'never' is a long time
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 22, 2023 8:22:28 GMT
At what point in evolution did this Country become so F'cked Up 1066 Same fucke4s in charge ever since May 1979.
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Post by oggyoggy on May 22, 2023 9:10:44 GMT
It's quite the thing when Diane Abbott is tweeting about unpopular MPs Cruella is too stupid to understand that she is being used as a pawn in the Anti Rishi campaign He is either too weak to sack her or if he doesย provokes the right wing ire, either option is jake. It's no great surprise that Cruella was on speed but the object of Rishi's downfall is either the triumphant return of Libertarian Bozo or Facist Kemi So, who's going to be the new Home Secretary? Can't see Patel coming back to serve under Sunak, but you never know. Patel has always struck me as someone whose principles are easily put to one side when power comes a-calling, but, as a move, it's just like for like (or dislike for dislike, for most people). Zahawi is still tainted by his dodgy tax affairs and the nonsense around being appointed then resigning with 24 hours! Raab has only just gone. Hancock's off anyway. The government is full of ex ministers in some sort of disgrace. It'd have to be someone new, but who are the potentially big hitters to do the job? Their problem os they purged most of the normal tories because of voting around brexit. Theresa May back as Home Sec?
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Post by shakermaker on May 22, 2023 9:27:48 GMT
It's quite the thing when Diane Abbott is tweeting about unpopular MPs Cruella is too stupid to understand that she is being used as a pawn in the Anti Rishi campaign He is either too weak to sack her or if he does provokes the right wing ire, either option is jake. It's no great surprise that Cruella was on speed but the object of Rishi's downfall is either the triumphant return of Libertarian Bozo or Facist Kemi What an own goal from the Home Sec. People get done for speeding all the time, it's no big deal to the vast majority of the public. With what she likely takes home, I'm amazed a rise in her insurance premiums was a driver for trying to wangle a private course and risking a political backlash if that came out. And even if she was forced to take a speed awareness course with members of the public, is that not an opportunity to engage and actually market yourself as a face of the people, tweet about what a rewarding and eye-opening experience the course was etc?
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 22, 2023 10:10:09 GMT
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 22, 2023 10:40:10 GMT
So, who's going to be the new Home Secretary? Can't see Patel coming back to serve under Sunak, but you never know. Patel has always struck me as someone whose principles are easily put to one side when power comes a-calling, but, as a move, it's just like for like (or dislike for dislike, for most people). Zahawi is still tainted by his dodgy tax affairs and the nonsense around being appointed then resigning with 24 hours! Raab has only just gone. Hancock's off anyway. The government is full of ex ministers in some sort of disgrace. It'd have to be someone new, but who are the potentially big hitters to do the job? Their problem os they purged most of the normal tories because of voting around brexit. Theresa May back as Home Sec? Grant Shapps? Not sure he's got enough of the night about him, to reference Michael Howard, and seems far too light and breezy, but maybe he can learn the necessary inhumanity in due course?
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Post by gawa on May 22, 2023 10:45:56 GMT
So, who's going to be the new Home Secretary? Can't see Patel coming back to serve under Sunak, but you never know. Patel has always struck me as someone whose principles are easily put to one side when power comes a-calling, but, as a move, it's just like for like (or dislike for dislike, for most people). Zahawi is still tainted by his dodgy tax affairs and the nonsense around being appointed then resigning with 24 hours! Raab has only just gone. Hancock's off anyway. The government is full of ex ministers in some sort of disgrace. It'd have to be someone new, but who are the potentially big hitters to do the job? Their problem os they purged most of the normal tories because of voting around brexit. Theresa May back as Home Sec? Agree. They lost alot of their more sensible politicians around then. I've always been quite fond of Rory Stewart for instance and he speaks alot of sense and explains his points quite well. He was one of the MPs purged from the party during the brexit malarkey.
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Post by iglugluk on May 22, 2023 11:24:45 GMT
Interview with Robert F Kennedy Jr.. obviously not directly about the UK although clearly the same issues occurring. When America sneezes the World catches a cold..
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Post by elystokie on May 22, 2023 11:49:03 GMT
It's quite the thing when Diane Abbott is tweeting about unpopular MPs Cruella is too stupid to understand that she is being used as a pawn in the Anti Rishi campaign He is either too weak to sack her or if he doesย provokes the right wing ire, either option is jake. It's no great surprise that Cruella was on speed but the object of Rishi's downfall is either the triumphant return of Libertarian Bozo or Facist Kemi What an own goal from the Home Sec. People get done for speeding all the time, it's no big deal to the vast majority of the public. With what she likely takes home, I'm amazed a rise in her insurance premiums was a driver for trying to wangle a private course and risking a political backlash if that came out. And even if she was forced to take a speed awareness course with members of the public, is that not an opportunity to engage and actually market yourself as a face of the people, tweet about what a rewarding and eye-opening experience the course was etc? I'm not sure, given the general public's sentiments towards her at the moment it's probably best she steers well clear ๐ค I can't imagine some of the other members of any course she might be enrolled on passing up the opportunity to point out the error of her ways to her ๐
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 22, 2023 11:52:24 GMT
Their problem os they purged most of the normal tories because of voting around brexit. Theresa May back as Home Sec? Grant Shapps? Not sure he's got enough of the night about him, to reference Michael Howard, and seems far too light and breezy, but maybe he can learn the necessary inhumanity in due course? I think inevitably, the most likely candidate would be Badenoch (sadly).
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 22, 2023 11:53:26 GMT
Interview with Robert F Kennedy Jr.. obviously not directly about the UK although clearly the same issues occurring. When America sneezes the World catches a cold.. He's a fucking nutjob.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 22, 2023 11:58:25 GMT
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Post by shakermaker on May 22, 2023 11:59:01 GMT
What an own goal from the Home Sec. People get done for speeding all the time, it's no big deal to the vast majority of the public. With what she likely takes home, I'm amazed a rise in her insurance premiums was a driver for trying to wangle a private course and risking a political backlash if that came out. And even if she was forced to take a speed awareness course with members of the public, is that not an opportunity to engage and actually market yourself as a face of the people, tweet about what a rewarding and eye-opening experience the course was etc? I'm not sure, given the general public's sentiments towards her at the moment it's probably best she steers well clear ๐ค I can't imagine some of the other members of any course she might be enrolled on passing up the opportunity to point out the error of her ways to her ๐ That surely goes for any politician. If Bozo was still brave enough to go out for his morning jogs after everything he did, then I'm sure Cruella could have mustered up some courage to face up to a few other speed demons on the course.
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 22, 2023 12:06:08 GMT
It's quite the thing when Diane Abbott is tweeting about unpopular MPs Cruella is too stupid to understand that she is being used as a pawn in the Anti Rishi campaign He is either too weak to sack her or if he doesย provokes the right wing ire, either option is jake. It's no great surprise that Cruella was on speed but the object of Rishi's downfall is either the triumphant return of Libertarian Bozo or Facist Kemi What an own goal from the Home Sec. People get done for speeding all the time, it's no big deal to the vast majority of the public. With what she likely takes home, I'm amazed a rise in her insurance premiums was a driver for trying to wangle a private course and risking a political backlash if that came out. And even if she was forced to take a speed awareness course with members of the public, is that not an opportunity to engage and actually market yourself as a face of the people, tweet about what a rewarding and eye-opening experience the course was etc? The thing is, the vast majority of speed awareness courses conducted nowadays, are done online and Braverman requested that her camera was to be turned off and that she would be allowed to use an alias. It was nothing to do with not having to meet the public, she was clearly attempting to HIDE the fact that she had been caught speeding and she used civil servants in her attempt to do so, which is a clear breach of the ministerial code. Furthermore her PA lied to the press just 6 weeks ago and claimed that she hadn't even been given a speeding ticket AT ALL! Is it a complete coincidence that she makes a personal leadership pitch at the NatC conference last Wednesday and by the weekend this story has leaked?
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Post by elystokie on May 22, 2023 12:11:23 GMT
I'm not sure, given the general public's sentiments towards her at the moment it's probably best she steers well clear ๐ค I can't imagine some of the other members of any course she might be enrolled on passing up the opportunity to point out the error of her ways to her ๐ That surely goes for any politician. If Bozo was still brave enough to go out for his morning jogs after everything he did, then I'm sure Cruella could have mustered up some courage to face up to a few other speed demons on the course. I'd imagine it does yes. Evidently she couldn't.
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