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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 11, 2023 11:09:40 GMT
It's about time he grew a pair to be fair.
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 11, 2023 13:00:13 GMT
He's finally snapped. You can tell he's absolutely sick to the back teeth of their arrogance and their willingness to casually disrespect Parliament.
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Post by elystokie on May 11, 2023 13:02:35 GMT
He's finally snapped. You can tell he's absolutely sick to the back teeth of their arrogance and their willingness to casually disrespect Parliament. Can't be nice having the name of something both you care about and are in charge of dragged through the mud on a daily basis.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2023 13:05:57 GMT
He's finally snapped. You can tell he's absolutely sick to the back teeth of their arrogance and their willingness to casually disrespect Parliament. Shame that there were only about 7 people in the House to hear it at the time.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 11, 2023 15:52:45 GMT
Daily Mail tomorrow: "Extraordinary emotional outburst that shows the Speaker has lost the plot"...
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Post by andystokey on May 11, 2023 19:27:51 GMT
Of course an unscripted visit by a western politician to Taiwan isn't in the least bit provocative to the Chinese. 🥺 After she's returned and an exercise starts in the South China Sea at least she'll have a few likes.
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 11, 2023 19:44:01 GMT
Of course an unscripted visit by a western politician to Taiwan isn't in the least bit provocative to the Chinese. 🥺 After she's returned an an exercise starts in the South China Sea at least she'll have a few likes.
The same woman who doesn't know if Macron is our friend or foe, what do you expect?
Stupidity beyond belief.
It's all about her, she doesn't give a fig about the Taiwanese people, for whom things will probably get worse.
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Post by Veritas on May 11, 2023 20:17:00 GMT
Of course an unscripted visit by a western politician to Taiwan isn't in the least bit provocative to the Chinese. 🥺 After she's returned an an exercise starts in the South China Sea at least she'll have a few likes. The absolute and utter moron thinks she is laying the ground for a comeback at some point, unbelievable
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Post by andystokey on May 11, 2023 20:34:18 GMT
Of course an unscripted visit by a western politician to Taiwan isn't in the least bit provocative to the Chinese. 🥺 After she's returned an an exercise starts in the South China Sea at least she'll have a few likes. The absolute and utter moron thinks she is laying the ground for a comeback at some point, unbelievable Remember her trip to Russia with that furry hat photo op where she made a fool of herself? www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/02/11/britains-top-diplomat-mocked-over-russia-trip-gaffes-a76337Two weeks later Russia invaded Ukraine, what could possibly go wrong this time? 🤔
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Post by foster on May 11, 2023 20:45:27 GMT
Of course an unscripted visit by a western politician to Taiwan isn't in the least bit provocative to the Chinese. 🥺 After she's returned an an exercise starts in the South China Sea at least she'll have a few likes. The same woman who doesn't know if Macron is our friend or foe, what do you expect? Stupidity beyond belief. It's all about her, she doesn't give a fig about the Taiwanese people, for whom things will probably get worse.
Do you think that those on here moaning are the loud minority? I'm questioning just how many people dislike the government since nothings being done about them. Literally 6 or 7 vocal posters against and none for, from a board of at least...40 frequent posters I'd say.
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 11, 2023 20:52:10 GMT
The same woman who doesn't know if Macron is our friend or foe, what do you expect? Stupidity beyond belief. It's all about her, she doesn't give a fig about the Taiwanese people, for whom things will probably get worse.
Do you think that those on here moaning are the loud minority? I'm questioning just how many people dislike the government since nothings being done about them. Literally 6 or 7 vocal posters against and none for, from a board of at least...40 frequent posters I'd say. I'd suspect that there must be some people who would like to support the government but it's becoming increasingly hard to do so, without looking like a bit of an idiot. Even followyoudown eventually realised that the game was up. The Brexit thread has pretty much suffered the same fate.
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Post by lordb on May 11, 2023 21:23:29 GMT
Do you think that those on here moaning are the loud minority? I'm questioning just how many people dislike the government since nothings being done about them. Literally 6 or 7 vocal posters against and none for, from a board of at least...40 frequent posters I'd say. I'd suspect that there must be some people who would like to support the government but it's becoming increasingly hard to do so, without looking like a bit of an idiot. Even followyoudown eventually realised that the game was up. The Brexit thread has pretty much suffered the same fate. Maybe the government is really good at some stuff but is being humble and not talking about it ... Nurse! It's started again...
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Post by elystokie on May 11, 2023 21:58:42 GMT
I'd suspect that there must be some people who would like to support the government but it's becoming increasingly hard to do so, without looking like a bit of an idiot. Even followyoudown eventually realised that the game was up. The Brexit thread has pretty much suffered the same fate. Maybe the government is really good at some stuff but is being humble and not talking about it ... Nurse! It's started again... They're evidently brilliant at 'some stuff' but it's not because they're being humble they don't want to talk about it 😉
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Post by gawa on May 11, 2023 23:13:09 GMT
The same woman who doesn't know if Macron is our friend or foe, what do you expect? Stupidity beyond belief. It's all about her, she doesn't give a fig about the Taiwanese people, for whom things will probably get worse.
Do you think that those on here moaning are the loud minority? I'm questioning just how many people dislike the government since nothings being done about them. Literally 6 or 7 vocal posters against and none for, from a board of at least...40 frequent posters I'd say. Unless you actively follow politics to some degree, I think most people probably don't realise the extent of some of the stuff which goes on. Becauase: - Most of the best selling newspapers are pro tory. - Social media is largely based of algorithms so unlikely to see stuff there unless you follow it. - The BBC claim to be impartial but the reality is that it really isnt. - Most people consume their news from secondary sources. It's like football. Watching in a stadium v sky sports v match of the day highlights v home team report v away team report. Every source gives a different perspective. The best way to judge it is to watch debates with your own eyes in full. Something most of us, myself included, don't do. Although I do religiously watch PMQs and try to watch Question time and other shows time to time. On top of the above only 67% of the country voted in the last GE in 2019. So taking the above into account, I think alot of people are dissatisfied with the government but the majority wouldn't feel as passionate about it as some of the members on here. At the same time I think there is still very much a strong Conservative support too, albeit alot quieter. I wouldn't be surprised to see some people move back to Conservative by the time of the next election. Alot can and already has happened in 18 months. And over half of the population probably don't give much of a shit either right now.
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 12, 2023 0:58:41 GMT
It worked so well for them in the Brexit campaign, they think to themselves, why on earth should we stop now? For three years they've lied with impunity because they think we're so stupid, that we'll continue to swallow it. Apologies for quoting my own post from yesterday but today Maitliss absolutely nails the point I was trying to make, not only has Brexit completely destroyed us economically but it has also completely fucked our political discourse ... "This government's ministers have forgotten that we're a parliamentary democracy and NOT something that operates under a referendum."
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Post by elystokie on May 12, 2023 6:00:10 GMT
It worked so well for them in the Brexit campaign, they think to themselves, why on earth should we stop now? For three years they've lied with impunity because they think we're so stupid, that we'll continue to swallow it. Apologies for quoting my own post from yesterday but today Maitliss absolutely nails the point I was trying to make, not only has Brexit completely destroyed us economically but it has also completely fucked our political discourse ... "This government's ministers have forgotten that we're a parliamentary democracy and NOT something that operates under a referendum." It's good that he's doing it now but he should have been losing his rag on a daily basis when the Bluffer was lying through his teeth constantly.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 12, 2023 6:20:49 GMT
The same woman who doesn't know if Macron is our friend or foe, what do you expect? Stupidity beyond belief. It's all about her, she doesn't give a fig about the Taiwanese people, for whom things will probably get worse.
Do you think that those on here moaning are the loud minority? I'm questioning just how many people dislike the government since nothings being done about them. Literally 6 or 7 vocal posters against and none for, from a board of at least...40 frequent posters I'd say. I've always thought that those on here are simply the ones more interested in politics than others. You have to remember that there used to be a good few posters regularly defending the govt on this thread: FYD, Partick, BJR, to name just a handful off the top of my head. Most have since given up the ghost, since even they can presumably see that, in the wake of Bozo and Truss and all the ongoing sleaze and corruption, the thread is pretty accurately titled. Now all we have is knype pretending not to be a fan 😄 Who knows whether this thread represents the minority or majority of the general public, you can only use the polls as a steer on that one. What do you think can be done about the govt? Short of insurrection, which nobody is advocating, we have to wait until the next GE to exercise our right to vote them out. Or not. There are no protests on the streets, unless you count the numerous strikes in that, but protesting is increasingly risky under this govt as the events of the weekend showed. I suspect there is also a large amount of apathy among a population that, as I've said numerous times, is repeatedly encouraged to know its place. Don't complain, your betters know what they're doing, it's all for you really, and besides the other lot are the same as us anyway = one giant shrug. Compare how a less supine France responds to things!
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 12, 2023 6:33:28 GMT
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Post by andystokey on May 12, 2023 6:39:11 GMT
Do you think that those on here moaning are the loud minority? I'm questioning just how many people dislike the government since nothings being done about them. Literally 6 or 7 vocal posters against and none for, from a board of at least...40 frequent posters I'd say. I've always thought that those on here are simply the ones more interested in politics than others. You have to remember that there used to be a good few posters regularly defending the govt on this thread: FYD, Partick, BJR, to name just a handful off the top of my head. Most have since given up the ghost, since even they can presumably see that, in the wake of Bozo and Truss and all the ongoing sleaze and corruption, the thread is pretty accurately titled. Now all we have is knype pretending not to be a fan 😄 Who knows whether this thread represents the minority or majority of the general public, you can only use the polls as a steer on that one. What do you think can be done about the govt? Short of insurrection, which nobody is advocating, we have to wait until the next GE to exercise our right to vote them out. Or not. There are no protests on the streets, unless you count the numerous strikes in that, but protesting is increasingly risky under this govt as the events of the weekend showed. I suspect there is also a large amount of apathy among a population that, as I've said numerous times, is repeatedly encouraged to know its place. Don't complain, your betters know what they're doing, it's all for you really, and besides the other lot are the same as us anyway = one giant shrug. Compare how a less supine France responds to things! A very interesting show of hands on last nights QT showed that probably 70% of the audience are still undecided, despite everything that this Govt has done. I think if they get in again after everything that has happened then I must be in a minority. The British public must be okay with the lies and corruption.
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Post by lawrieleslie on May 12, 2023 7:49:28 GMT
Do you think that those on here moaning are the loud minority? I'm questioning just how many people dislike the government since nothings being done about them. Literally 6 or 7 vocal posters against and none for, from a board of at least...40 frequent posters I'd say. Unless you actively follow politics to some degree, I think most people probably don't realise the extent of some of the stuff which goes on. Becauase: - Most of the best selling newspapers are pro tory. - Social media is largely based of algorithms so unlikely to see stuff there unless you follow it. - The BBC claim to be impartial but the reality is that it really isnt. - Most people consume their news from secondary sources. It's like football. Watching in a stadium v sky sports v match of the day highlights v home team report v away team report. Every source gives a different perspective. The best way to judge it is to watch debates with your own eyes in full. Something most of us, myself included, don't do. Although I do religiously watch PMQs and try to watch Question time and other shows time to time. On top of the above only 67% of the country voted in the last GE in 2019. So taking the above into account, I think alot of people are dissatisfied with the government but the majority wouldn't feel as passionate about it as some of the members on here. At the same time I think there is still very much a strong Conservative support too, albeit alot quieter. I wouldn't be surprised to see some people move back to Conservative by the time of the next election. Alot can and already has happened in 18 months. And over half of the population probably don't give much of a shit either right now. That’s exactly me as a disillusioned Tory supporter. The problem for me is the alternative looks almost as bleak.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2023 10:27:58 GMT
I've always thought that those on here are simply the ones more interested in politics than others. You have to remember that there used to be a good few posters regularly defending the govt on this thread: FYD, Partick, BJR, to name just a handful off the top of my head. Most have since given up the ghost, since even they can presumably see that, in the wake of Bozo and Truss and all the ongoing sleaze and corruption, the thread is pretty accurately titled. Now all we have is knype pretending not to be a fan 😄 Who knows whether this thread represents the minority or majority of the general public, you can only use the polls as a steer on that one. What do you think can be done about the govt? Short of insurrection, which nobody is advocating, we have to wait until the next GE to exercise our right to vote them out. Or not. There are no protests on the streets, unless you count the numerous strikes in that, but protesting is increasingly risky under this govt as the events of the weekend showed. I suspect there is also a large amount of apathy among a population that, as I've said numerous times, is repeatedly encouraged to know its place. Don't complain, your betters know what they're doing, it's all for you really, and besides the other lot are the same as us anyway = one giant shrug. Compare how a less supine France responds to things! A very interesting show of hands on last nights QT showed that probably 70% of the audience are still undecided, despite everything that this Govt has done. I think if they get in again after everything that has happened then I must be in a minority. The British public must be okay with the lies and corruption. Labour will need to hire a very good publicist for their adverts running in. A sort of top 10 whistle stop tour of corruption. Even then, people will likely just change the channel. The issue that the UK face now is one the US had with Trump. Once they do a certain thing so many times and nothing really gets done about it, the public become less and less appalled and start to just see it as a normal way to go about things.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 12, 2023 10:45:14 GMT
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 13, 2023 6:58:13 GMT
I see Priti Patel is first to stick the boot into Sunak re the kicking they got at the local elections, seemingly completely oblivious that it was while she was in government with Johnson that most of the distaste for the Tories was generated!
The clown Johnson's not going away, sadly, if this pro-Bozo gathering is anything to go by. Patel seems similarly unaware that it was her own party, with a record number of govt resignations, that got rid of Johnson and that something like 70% of the public wanted him gone too, but of course she blames others. When do the Tories ever not blame others.
Let the Tory infighting begin.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 13, 2023 7:28:17 GMT
Worth reading the thread here....
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Post by oggyoggy on May 13, 2023 9:42:32 GMT
Unless you actively follow politics to some degree, I think most people probably don't realise the extent of some of the stuff which goes on. Becauase: - Most of the best selling newspapers are pro tory. - Social media is largely based of algorithms so unlikely to see stuff there unless you follow it. - The BBC claim to be impartial but the reality is that it really isnt. - Most people consume their news from secondary sources. It's like football. Watching in a stadium v sky sports v match of the day highlights v home team report v away team report. Every source gives a different perspective. The best way to judge it is to watch debates with your own eyes in full. Something most of us, myself included, don't do. Although I do religiously watch PMQs and try to watch Question time and other shows time to time. On top of the above only 67% of the country voted in the last GE in 2019. So taking the above into account, I think alot of people are dissatisfied with the government but the majority wouldn't feel as passionate about it as some of the members on here. At the same time I think there is still very much a strong Conservative support too, albeit alot quieter. I wouldn't be surprised to see some people move back to Conservative by the time of the next election. Alot can and already has happened in 18 months. And over half of the population probably don't give much of a shit either right now. That’s exactly me as a disillusioned Tory supporter. The problem for me is the alternative looks almost as bleak. How is it possible to say that? Labour under Starmer has never been in power. How can you say with any certainty whatsoever that under a Starmer government, the redistribution of wealth from the poor and middle to the rich and connected will be anything like we have seen under the tories, particularly during Johnson’s leadership. They are not all the same. The tories have ruined almost everything possible to ruin in this country. How can you possibly assume the same will continue being the case under Labour? There is simply no evidence to back up your point of view, save for the narrative painted by tory controlled press. I am saying this as someone who has never voted labour and who won’t be at the next election either.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 13, 2023 10:09:14 GMT
That’s exactly me as a disillusioned Tory supporter. The problem for me is the alternative looks almost as bleak. How is it possible to say that? Labour under Starmer has never been in power. How can you say with any certainty whatsoever that under a Starmer government, the redistribution of wealth from the poor and middle to the rich and connected will be anything like we have seen under the tories, particularly during Johnson’s leadership. They are not all the same. The tories have ruined almost everything possible to ruin in this country. How can you possibly assume the same will continue being the case under Labour? There is simply no evidence to back up your point of view, save for the narrative painted by tory controlled press. I am saying this as someone who has never voted labour and who won’t be at the next election either. He says it because he is a Tory supporter. Therefore, like many of the other Tory supporters/right-wingers on here, it feels uncomfortable/disloyal/wrong to allow themselves to look at the Opposition and consider that perhaps the time is right for them to take over. It's easier and more comfortable to tell themselves that however shit the Tory government gets they're all the same anyway. The best approach, imo, is not to be a dedicated 'supporter' of any of them. That way, you don't feel beholden to make excuses for their poor performance and can acknowledge the good and bad bits of each party more objectively. That doesn't mean not voting or feeling like you to have to spoil your ballot (although fair enough if you want to) it means deciding overall whether you agree with what each party plans to do while also taking into account the record of delivery of the incumbent government and the honesty and integrity of the people in it. I don't think it's a stretch to say that the current period from 2016 onwards has been one of the real low points for British governance over the last 50 years at least, possibly going back even further to Eden's time in the 50's. That's certainly the view from abroad. That, in itself, should tell you, imo, that it's time for change, but there will still be at least 30% of the electorate, come GE time, who will ignore that entirely and cling tribally to their blue vote. Who knows what a Starmer Labour government will do. Some of it may be good, some of it may be bad. If they get elected, we'll have to hope a lot more of what they do will be better than the last seven to 13 years we've had to endure and that the country moves in the right direction for more people again. It's a low bar to achieve that, but you'll still get a fair amount of folk who, despite the evidence of the last seven years or so, will still manage to convince themselves that the Tory way is better, or that they're all the same anyway.
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Post by lordb on May 13, 2023 11:28:48 GMT
How is it possible to say that? Labour under Starmer has never been in power. How can you say with any certainty whatsoever that under a Starmer government, the redistribution of wealth from the poor and middle to the rich and connected will be anything like we have seen under the tories, particularly during Johnson’s leadership. They are not all the same. The tories have ruined almost everything possible to ruin in this country. How can you possibly assume the same will continue being the case under Labour? There is simply no evidence to back up your point of view, save for the narrative painted by tory controlled press. I am saying this as someone who has never voted labour and who won’t be at the next election either. He says it because he is a Tory supporter. Therefore, like many of the other Tory supporters/right-wingers on here, it feels uncomfortable/disloyal/wrong to allow themselves to look at the Opposition and consider that perhaps the time is right for them to take over. It's easier and more comfortable to tell themselves that however shit the Tory government gets they're all the same anyway. The best approach, imo, is not to be a dedicated 'supporter' of any of them. That way, you don't feel beholden to make excuses for their poor performance and can acknowledge the good and bad bits of each party more objectively. That's certainly the view from abroad. That doesn't mean not voting or feeling like you to have to spoil your ballot (although fair enough if you want to) it means deciding overall whether you agree with what each party plans to do while also taking into account the record of delivery of the incumbent government and the honesty and integrity of the people in it. I don't think it's a stretch to say that the current period from 2016 onwards has been one of the real low points for British governance over the last 50 years at least, possibly going back even further to Eden's time in the 50's. That, in itself, should tell you, imo, that it's time for change, but there will still be at least 30% of the electorate, come GE time, who will ignore that entirely and cling tribally to their blue vote. Who knows what a Starmer Labour government will do. Some of it may be good, some of it may be bad. If they get elected, we'll have to hope a lot more of what they do will be better than the last seven to 13 years we've had to endure and that the country moves in the right direction for more people again. It's a low bar to achieve that, but you'll still get a fair amount of folk who, despite the evidence of the last seven years or so, will still manage to convince themselves that the Tory way is better, or that they're all the same anyway. The Major government 1992 to 1997 was a shocker Appalling financial policies, scandal after scandal, endless rows v Europe
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 13, 2023 15:04:53 GMT
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 13, 2023 15:16:39 GMT
He says it because he is a Tory supporter. Therefore, like many of the other Tory supporters/right-wingers on here, it feels uncomfortable/disloyal/wrong to allow themselves to look at the Opposition and consider that perhaps the time is right for them to take over. It's easier and more comfortable to tell themselves that however shit the Tory government gets they're all the same anyway. The best approach, imo, is not to be a dedicated 'supporter' of any of them. That way, you don't feel beholden to make excuses for their poor performance and can acknowledge the good and bad bits of each party more objectively. That's certainly the view from abroad. That doesn't mean not voting or feeling like you to have to spoil your ballot (although fair enough if you want to) it means deciding overall whether you agree with what each party plans to do while also taking into account the record of delivery of the incumbent government and the honesty and integrity of the people in it. I don't think it's a stretch to say that the current period from 2016 onwards has been one of the real low points for British governance over the last 50 years at least, possibly going back even further to Eden's time in the 50's. That, in itself, should tell you, imo, that it's time for change, but there will still be at least 30% of the electorate, come GE time, who will ignore that entirely and cling tribally to their blue vote. Who knows what a Starmer Labour government will do. Some of it may be good, some of it may be bad. If they get elected, we'll have to hope a lot more of what they do will be better than the last seven to 13 years we've had to endure and that the country moves in the right direction for more people again. It's a low bar to achieve that, but you'll still get a fair amount of folk who, despite the evidence of the last seven years or so, will still manage to convince themselves that the Tory way is better, or that they're all the same anyway. The Major government 1992 to 1997 was a shocker Appalling financial policies, scandal after scandal, endless rows v Europe This current period feels like both of Major's governments, 1990-92 and 92-97 rolled into one! The first part because it feels like how people responded to a modernising Labour Party when Kinnock was in charge following Foot ie the years leading up to 1992, not especially convinced by him but better than what was in charge before! The second part 92-97 is when Major's govt really fell apart with all the sleaze and corruption and absence of any ideas. That is very familiar! We'll have to see if the election result is the same. Long way to go yet. I wouldn't be surprised by a hung parliament.
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Post by yeswilko on May 13, 2023 15:21:16 GMT
You're not going to tell me that the "40 new hospitals" was a steaming pile of bullshit are ya mucka?
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