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Post by gawa on May 10, 2023 13:25:48 GMT
Embarrassing display by Sunak on PMQs this week. The public sent him a message last week and he still pretends that everything is OK. Literally living in a world of his own. In a world of Tories you mean. The sooner they're out the better. Great system we've got that we have to endure all this corruption for years. They're raking it in, and we just have to sit back and wait while they make themselves millions. A prime minister whose answer to every question is "We're spending the most money ever on x" doesn't inspire me or fill me with confidence. For the most money ever you expect the best service ever, not the worst. Every time he uses that line it just reinforces what I already know about them not being able to manage public services. But on top of that shows they can't manage finances either if this is the results they deliver for "most money ever".
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Post by oggyoggy on May 10, 2023 13:49:38 GMT
Embarrassing display by Sunak on PMQs this week. The public sent him a message last week and he still pretends that everything is OK. Literally living in a world of his own. Completely agree. Has he not realised that saying “Labour left no money left” 13 years ago doesn’t really work when the country is in far higher debt now than when the tories took charge.
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Post by foster on May 10, 2023 15:17:07 GMT
In a world of Tories you mean. The sooner they're out the better. Great system we've got that we have to endure all this corruption for years. They're raking it in, and we just have to sit back and wait while they make themselves millions. A prime minister whose answer to every question is "We're spending the most money ever on x" doesn't inspire me or fill me with confidence. For the most money ever you expect the best service ever, not the worst. Every time he uses that line it just reinforces what I already know about them not being able to manage public services. But on top of that shows they can't manage finances either if this is the results they deliver for "most money ever". I disagree They can manage their own finances perfectly well. They're literally sucking money from the taxpayer and there's nothing anyone can do about it, except moan on forums and social media. I honestly don't know why there hasn't been more uproar about what's happening. We know the government is corrupt, there's 'evidence' or information that affirms that, yet absolutely no consequences. It's a joke , and the sooner people start protesting the better. Every day that goes by is money being stolen from your pocket.
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 10, 2023 15:39:22 GMT
They simply don't even care about lying to the public anymore.
If they get called out for it, who gives a fuck, so long as the original lie has been seeded.
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Post by gawa on May 10, 2023 17:12:59 GMT
Is this what it was like in the build up to the 2010 election? I was too young and disinterested to know.
But was labours best selling point talking about what the tories did 13 years ago.
It's just you'd like to think after 13 years you'd have reasons for people to vote for you. But all rishi can roll out is reasons why not to vote for another party due to stuff a decade ago.
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Post by gawa on May 10, 2023 17:22:12 GMT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on May 10, 2023 17:24:46 GMT
Err it’s about half a dozen threads down
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 10, 2023 17:38:12 GMT
In a world of Tories you mean. The sooner they're out the better. Great system we've got that we have to endure all this corruption for years. They're raking it in, and we just have to sit back and wait while they make themselves millions. A prime minister whose answer to every question is "We're spending the most money ever on x" doesn't inspire me or fill me with confidence. For the most money ever you expect the best service ever, not the worst. Every time he uses that line it just reinforces what I already know about them not being able to manage public services. But on top of that shows they can't manage finances either if this is the results they deliver for "most money ever". Every government "spends the most money ever", it's called inflation! Guess what, everyone is spending the most money ever on fuel for their car but the car's not going any further nor is it any faster. It's a phrase that literally means nothing. You have to do two things: look at the real terms value of the spending and secondly, determine whether that real terms spending in itself actually addresses the problem it's supposed to.
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Post by gawa on May 10, 2023 17:53:35 GMT
Err it’s about half a dozen threads down I swear somethings dodgy with the search on this site. The amount of times I can't find trump or brexit thread even when searching for those words. Or mote than likely I'm just a spanner.
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Post by gawa on May 10, 2023 17:55:15 GMT
A prime minister whose answer to every question is "We're spending the most money ever on x" doesn't inspire me or fill me with confidence. For the most money ever you expect the best service ever, not the worst. Every time he uses that line it just reinforces what I already know about them not being able to manage public services. But on top of that shows they can't manage finances either if this is the results they deliver for "most money ever". Every government "spends the most money ever", it's called inflation! Guess what, everyone is spending the most money ever on fuel for their car but the car's not going any further nor is it any faster. It's a phrase that literally means nothing. You have to do two things: look at the real terms value of the spending and secondly, determine whether that real terms spending in itself actually addresses the problem it's supposed to. Oh I know that mate. If they weren't spending the most ever then it would be concerning. But unfortunately this is the line rishi runs all the time. And I don't know why Starmer never talks about spending the most for the worst service in return. Or something of that essence.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on May 10, 2023 17:57:49 GMT
Err it’s about half a dozen threads down I swear somethings dodgy with the search on this site. The amount of times I can't find trump or brexit thread even when searching for those words. Or mote than likely I'm just a spanner. Not sure about the rest of it but the last bits obvious😉
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Post by milton58 on May 10, 2023 19:24:05 GMT
I swear somethings dodgy with the search on this site. The amount of times I can't find trump or brexit thread even when searching for those words. Or mote than likely I'm just a spanner. Not sure about the rest of it but the last bits obvious😉 pot kettle duck
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Post by lordb on May 10, 2023 19:32:34 GMT
Is this what it was like in the build up to the 2010 election? I was too young and disinterested to know. But was labours best selling point talking about what the tories did 13 years ago. It's just you'd like to think after 13 years you'd have reasons for people to vote for you. But all rishi can roll out is reasons why not to vote for another party due to stuff a decade ago. No they didn't bother by then However in 1997 the Tories were still blaming the previous Labour government from 1979
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Post by thehartshillbadger on May 10, 2023 19:38:18 GMT
Not sure about the rest of it but the last bits obvious😉 pot kettle duck It was a joke, and Gawa I’m sure will appreciate it because unlike you he has a sense of humour Miltonmeldrew 😉 (That was also a joke, just in case you were in any doubt)
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 10, 2023 20:33:22 GMT
A prime minister whose answer to every question is "We're spending the most money ever on x" doesn't inspire me or fill me with confidence. For the most money ever you expect the best service ever, not the worst. Every time he uses that line it just reinforces what I already know about them not being able to manage public services. But on top of that shows they can't manage finances either if this is the results they deliver for "most money ever". I disagree They can manage their own finances perfectly well. They're literally sucking money from the taxpayer and there's nothing anyone can do about it, except moan on forums and social media. I honestly don't know why there hasn't been more uproar about what's happening. We know the government is corrupt, there's 'evidence' or information that affirms that, yet absolutely no consequences. It's a joke , and the sooner people start protesting the better. Every day that goes by is money being stolen from your pocket. Because British society is all about knowing your place and lots of work goes into making sure everyone does: the majority of the press, the establishment, events like last weekend, all designed to let ordinary folk know that they are at the bottom of the pile and mustn't question their betters or look too closely at what they do. Feeding hungry schoolkids, paying the people we previously thought of as key workers (seen that phrase in the press recently?) no money for that...couple of hundred mill for a weekend's cosplay...no problem. Protest? How? You get arrested!
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 10, 2023 21:23:48 GMT
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Post by wannabee on May 10, 2023 22:27:20 GMT
They simply don't even care about lying to the public anymore. If they get called out for it, who gives a fuck, so long as the original lie has been seeded.
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 10, 2023 22:43:19 GMT
Thing here is, Jenrick knows 100% that the RC indeed doesn't say what he's claiming it says. He is brazenly lying and he doesn't give a flying fuck if Guru-Murthy calls him out on it, so long as at least some of the viewers believe the lie. It worked so well for them in the Brexit campaign, they think to themselves, why on earth should we stop now? For three years they've lied with impunity because they think we're so stupid, that we'll continue to swallow it.
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Post by andystokey on May 10, 2023 22:45:27 GMT
They simply don't even care about lying to the public anymore. If they get called out for it, who gives a fuck, so long as the original lie has been seeded. View AttachmentThere is absolutely no downside for an elected government representative to openly lie on TV in the 21st century. It's all upside, The presenter gets accused of aggressive questioning and the message gets through. It gets published in the papers next day, run by the donors and in a week it's repeated in the pub as gospel by the gormless. Jenrick has just been on Peston and done the same thing on 'small boats' and immigration as he did on Channel 4 news four hours earlier. It's not a mistake, the truth is a quaint idea from the past, lie, repeat, lie, repeat...
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Post by andystokey on May 10, 2023 22:46:25 GMT
Thing here is, Jenrick knows 100% that the RC indeed doesn't say what he's claiming it says. He is brazenly lying and he doesn't give a flying fuck if Guru-Murthy calls him out on it, so long as at least some of the viewers believe the lie. It worked so well for them in the Brexit campaign, they think to themselves, why on earth should we stop now? For three years they've lied with impunity because they think we're so stupid, that we'll continue to swallow it. Beat me to it 🤣
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Post by wannabee on May 10, 2023 23:24:23 GMT
Thing here is, Jenrick knows 100% that the RC indeed doesn't say what he's claiming it says. He is brazenly lying and he doesn't give a flying fuck if Guru-Murthy calls him out on it, so long as at least some of the viewers believe the lie. It worked so well for them in the Brexit campaign, they think to themselves, why on earth should we stop now? For three years they've lied with impunity because they think we're so stupid, that we'll continue to swallow it. Beat me to it 🤣 Snap. It really is f'kin tiresome that these arseholes lie with impunity There are three types who the lie is directed towards 1. Those that are offended by the lie become irritated 2. Those that agree with the sentiment of the lie but understand its a lie shrug and justify that the lie should be the truth 3. Those that don't understand they are being lied to but accept the lie as truth because an authority figure is telling them 1 and 2 are unwavering in their opinion of the liar, 3 being the target audience accept the lie and bear no ill will towards the liar as it has become truth In these circumstances the dichotomy presented is that there is no downside to lying and vice versa no upside to telling the truth.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2023 23:40:35 GMT
Snap. It really is f'kin tiresome that these arseholes lie with impunity There are three types who the lie is directed towards 1. Those that are offended by the lie become irritated 2. Those that agree with the sentiment of the lie but understand its a lie shrug and justify that the lie should be the truth 3. Those that don't understand they are being lied to but accept the lie as truth because an authority figure is telling them 1 and 2 are unwavering in their opinion of the liar, 3 being the target audience accept the lie and bear no ill will towards the liar as it has become truth In these circumstances the dichotomy presented is that there is no downside to lying and vice versa no upside to telling the truth. And yet, despite all the lies, all the issues with the NHS, the economy, the weakening of public trust, the lessening of our stance on the World stage and the many cases of corruption, there hasn’t been any sustained public pressure to remove them.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 11, 2023 5:38:18 GMT
Snap. It really is f'kin tiresome that these arseholes lie with impunity There are three types who the lie is directed towards 1. Those that are offended by the lie become irritated 2. Those that agree with the sentiment of the lie but understand its a lie shrug and justify that the lie should be the truth 3. Those that don't understand they are being lied to but accept the lie as truth because an authority figure is telling them 1 and 2 are unwavering in their opinion of the liar, 3 being the target audience accept the lie and bear no ill will towards the liar as it has become truth In these circumstances the dichotomy presented is that there is no downside to lying and vice versa no upside to telling the truth. And yet, despite all the lies, all the issues with the NHS, the economy, the weakening of public trust, the lessening of our stance on the World stage and the many cases of corruption, there hasn’t been any sustained public pressure to remove them. There was when Bozo was PM and most of that was simply because his team were seen openly laughing at the public. That's the core reason. You can lie to the public, run public services down, ignore your own laws, refuse to feed schoolkids while spending millions on royal nonsense and thousands of taxpayers cash on your own legal defence, no worries. A lot of the public will have no problem with that, they know their place. But by laughing at the public, you're letting the public know that, in reality, you despise them for being so pathetic about it all, for knowing their place and going along with accepting the crumbs that fall off the top table occasionally. In reality, that was the crime that ultimately got Bozo the shove, and even in the face of that he still thought we'd "get over it" and he'd be able to continue! The slight contrast to that and Sunak's govt is that Sunak's is just business as usual: lying, corruption and sleaze without laughing in the public's face so you don't see the same level of public reaction to it.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 11, 2023 5:45:26 GMT
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Post by hotterpotter on May 11, 2023 6:43:27 GMT
Not sure about the rest of it but the last bits obvious😉 pot kettle duck is that the new stone scissors paper?
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 11, 2023 7:51:46 GMT
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 11, 2023 9:21:00 GMT
Ha! Brilliant. "How come your constituency Newark, 270th in the list of 100 most deprived towns, got £25million worth of Levelling Up money?" "The minister Jake Berry decided that, not me". "And who decided Jake Berry's constituency should also get money?" "I did".
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 11, 2023 9:51:50 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 11, 2023 9:53:23 GMT
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Post by lordb on May 11, 2023 11:05:48 GMT
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