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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 1, 2017 12:07:04 GMT
It's just a turn of phrase of though isn't it? Something can be laughably bad. With Wolly it got to the point where I'd find his errors hilarious. Because there was just no point in caring any more as the clown would make them anyway. It shows defeat I guess. But again I can see why people could think like that with Saido. As much as I don't. Nah mate sorry not having it. It is a turn of phrase and a very unfortunate one. Having a little laugh is acceptable and entirely normal for a Stoke fan. You'd go mad if you din't. Hilarity is way over the top. That's my opinion. And it won't change as much as you try and defend WD. That's fair enough but I just don't think it's bad. These players are there to be shot at if they're not performing. It's part and parcel of the sport.
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Post by WhyDelilah on Oct 1, 2017 13:23:59 GMT
Will finish as our top scorer this season. 😂😂😂😂
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Post by WhyDelilah on Oct 1, 2017 13:24:37 GMT
Because there is no way that he should ever see this and if he does then he deserves it. That to me isn't personal abuse. If he comes on here then he's an idiot. If he searches his name on Twitter, he's an idiot. I'd like to think they wouldn't. Using that argument you could argue that abusing someone on the front page of a newspaper or on a TV program, is not personal abuse because that person does not have to buy the newspaper or watch the TV program. Try libelling someone and then using the argument in court that the person you libelled did not need to buy the paper so they were not really libelled! Note (because I know the way you argue) I am NOT saying that Berahino has been libelled - but he HAS been abused by the title of this thread and by some of the posts on it to claim otherwise is just daft. Behave.
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Post by thegrassyknoll on Oct 1, 2017 13:28:33 GMT
I am surprised that SB still has so many advocates for retention in the team, given his drought runs to 31 hours. There were similar sentiments voiced by WBA fans, although SB's supporters were silenced when he started his ill advised forays into unauthorised interviews. Although he scored goals, his strengths (or lack of them) were the subject of many threads very similar in tone to this one.
History repeating??....
Stefan Moore...Luke Moore....Michael Ricketts.....
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Post by mrred on Oct 1, 2017 13:34:27 GMT
Will finish as our top scorer this season. I hope you're right Pugs. I find it really sad that so many have dropped hope in him after this amount of games. The amount of players saying how hard he works in training can't be wrong. No it's not happening for him at the moment, yes the penalty was poor. But how many games has he started? Give him a run of games with someone that isn't 30 yards away.
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Post by superheroantonius on Oct 1, 2017 13:35:06 GMT
Reading the match report in the daily star ( mike devonish)
He's given all the stoke players 6 or 7 out of ten
Except berahino ( 3 out of 10)
I guess that's how it looks if you are not a stoke fan
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Post by Dave the Rave on Oct 1, 2017 13:37:44 GMT
The first time he touched the ball today was after 20 minutes. That's abysmal whatever side of the fence you sit on. I'm posting this again because it seems to have gone under the radar. He didn't touch the ball for over 20 minutes in the first half! 20 minutes! How can any professional footballer manage to stay out of the action for that length of time?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 1, 2017 13:37:51 GMT
I've no idea where this bollocks about him making no runs or having no ball control or strength, I've no doubt people don't want him to fail, but maybe it's more a confirmation bias thing? After I realised how shit I thought Glen Johnson was it became very hard to acknowledge anything he did well (on rewatching the Chelsea game and trying my very bestest to be open minded i noticed he did some things well). Possible the same thing is happening here, people can't see Berahino do things well because they've already decided he's shite. Seen it several times with Arnie/Bojan/Shawcross/Pieters/Walters, the list goes on. Could say the opposite is true for those defending Berahino, but having watched the game again, I see a player who had a decent 7/10 game, the only major problem was his penalty miss. Fraise what source have you used for watching the game again? Cheers
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Post by Dave the Rave on Oct 1, 2017 13:39:54 GMT
I've no idea where this bollocks about him making no runs or having no ball control or strength, I've no doubt people don't want him to fail, but maybe it's more a confirmation bias thing? After I realised how shit I thought Glen Johnson was it became very hard to acknowledge anything he did well (on rewatching the Chelsea game and trying my very bestest to be open minded i noticed he did some things well). Possible the same thing is happening here, people can't see Berahino do things well because they've already decided he's shite. Seen it several times with Arnie/Bojan/Shawcross/Pieters/Walters, the list goes on. Could say the opposite is true for those defending Berahino, but having watched the game again, I see a player who had a decent 7/10 game, the only major problem was his penalty miss. Fraise what source have you used for watching the game again? Cheers What about the first 20 minutes of the game when he touched the ball 0 times? How can you give someone 7 out of 10 when for a quarter of the game they didn't touch the ball even once?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 1, 2017 13:44:28 GMT
Will finish as our top scorer this season. I hope you're right Pugs. I find it really sad that so many have dropped hope in him after this amount of games. The amount of players saying how hard he works in training can't be wrong. No it's not happening for him at the moment, yes the penalty was poor. But how many games has he started? Give him a run of games with someone that isn't 30 yards away. Is there a way of doing that without changing the system though?
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Post by mrred on Oct 1, 2017 13:51:57 GMT
I hope you're right Pugs. I find it really sad that so many have dropped hope in him after this amount of games. The amount of players saying how hard he works in training can't be wrong. No it's not happening for him at the moment, yes the penalty was poor. But how many games has he started? Give him a run of games with someone that isn't 30 yards away. Is there a way of doing that without changing the system though? I'd say yes as I don't think it should be beyond footballers to learn to play in more than 1 system. But as proved yesterday, we've got goals in us. I just think Hughes should be a little more adaptive than taking on whichever system is in vouge.
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Post by thegrassyknoll on Oct 1, 2017 13:57:26 GMT
Will finish as our top scorer this season. That's one relegation place sorted if he is.
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Post by desman2 on Oct 1, 2017 14:27:16 GMT
He might end up doing a Keith Bertshin. 2 in the first season, 19 in the second. I remember he used to go mental when he scored.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2017 14:39:21 GMT
Everyone should go on you tube, watch his goals from 2015.
All his goals come from him picking up little pockets of space in and around the edge of the area.
A lot of goals are shots from 15-25 yards.
Technically he is excellent and that doesn't disappear.
With him it is a mixture of confidence and getting the ball played in to him at the right time.
Stoke have got to play to his strengths. Give him the ball where he wants it.
Thread titles like this don't help at hall.
Hughes....keep playing him!
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Post by crapslinger on Oct 1, 2017 14:43:23 GMT
Is there a way of doing that without changing the system though? I'd say yes as I don't think it should be beyond footballers to learn to play in more than 1 system. But as proved yesterday, we've got goals in us. I just think Hughes should be a little more adaptive than taking on whichever system is in vouge. He does the same thing every season like a sheep, only problem is he buys players that don't fit his latest fad system, Berahino is not up to playing a lone striker role end of, it appears that every one apart from Hughes can see it.
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Post by crapslinger on Oct 1, 2017 14:45:01 GMT
Will finish as our top scorer this season. I hope you're right Pugs. I find it really sad that so many have dropped hope in him after this amount of games. The amount of players saying how hard he works in training can't be wrong. No it's not happening for him at the moment, yes the penalty was poor. But how many games has he started? Give him a run of games with someone that isn't 30 yards away. Were they the same players that were telling us how hard Imbula worked in training
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Oct 1, 2017 14:54:02 GMT
One the reasons Walters left was because he couldnt believe how Berahino was in the team ahead of him.
Also yesterday it was clear that Shaq was pissed off with his lack of intelligent runs off the ball.
Crouch said nice things about him on MOTD, but Im sure inside he feels he should be starting ahead of Berahino.
I really think some of the squad are losing faith in him as are the supporters.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Oct 1, 2017 14:57:17 GMT
Another expensive flop Grapey? It'd be a brave man who'd bet on him still being in the first-team mix next season. But, that said, we're contractually obliged to pay him £70,000-a-week until June 2022. So it's hard to see him going anywhere permanently. I don't think we'll have any choice but to loan him out (maybe as early as January), but what level of club would want/afford to make a sizeable wage contribution is hard to work out. Yesterday I was all for sending him out on loan to Wrexham or Hartlepool but kept away from the keyboard, thankfully. But in the cold light of day maybe a Wrexkam loan* wouldn't be such a bad deal. Hughes has connections there, takes him out of the spotlight, [should] score goals at that level, we'd have to pay 99% of his wages though. Wouldnt go down well with the player maybe but if he's serious about his career he may have to take a big step back to move forward. Wouldn't reflect well on Hughes but neither would sending him down the Bony route. Tin hat on. * not sure of loan deals, can you still do short term loans?
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Oct 1, 2017 14:59:24 GMT
One the reasons Walters left was because he couldnt believe how Berahino was in the team ahead of him. Also yesterday it was clear that Shaq was pissed off with his lack of intelligent runs off the ball. Crouch said nice things about him on MOTD, but Im sure inside he feels he should be starting ahead of Berahino. I really think some of the squad are losing faith in him as are the supporters. You know Walters left because of this as fact how? I didn't notice Shaq appeared pissed off he virtually gave him the ball for the penno from what I remember Perhaps Crouch said nice things because inside he believed them. What evidence have you that some of the squad are losing faith in him.
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Post by FullerMagic on Oct 1, 2017 15:02:41 GMT
It'd be a brave man who'd bet on him still being in the first-team mix next season. But, that said, we're contractually obliged to pay him £70,000-a-week until June 2022. So it's hard to see him going anywhere permanently. I don't think we'll have any choice but to loan him out (maybe as early as January), but what level of club would want/afford to make a sizeable wage contribution is hard to work out. Yesterday I was all for sending him out on loan to Wrexham or Hartlepool but kept away from the keyboard, thankfully. But in the cold light of day maybe a Wrexkam loan* wouldn't be such a bad deal. Hughes has connections there, takes him out of the spotlight, [should] score goals at that level, we'd have to pay 99% of his wages though. Wouldnt go down well with the player maybe but if he's serious about his career he may have to take a big step back to move forward. Wouldn't reflect well on Hughes but neither would sending him down the Bony route. Tin hat on. * not sure of loan deals, can you still do short term loans?Apparently it's just a half-season loan or nothing now. Realistically, you'd think he wouldn't be prepared to drop any lower than the Championship for a loan. But what level of Championship club would be interested in loaning him and starting him on the back of 32 hours of football with no goal (and counting)?
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Post by Dave the Rave on Oct 1, 2017 15:05:10 GMT
Yesterday I was all for sending him out on loan to Wrexham or Hartlepool but kept away from the keyboard, thankfully. But in the cold light of day maybe a Wrexkam loan* wouldn't be such a bad deal. Hughes has connections there, takes him out of the spotlight, [should] score goals at that level, we'd have to pay 99% of his wages though. Wouldnt go down well with the player maybe but if he's serious about his career he may have to take a big step back to move forward. Wouldn't reflect well on Hughes but neither would sending him down the Bony route. Tin hat on. * not sure of loan deals, can you still do short term loans?Apparently it's just a half-season loan or nothing now. Realistically, you'd think he wouldn't be prepared to drop any lower than the Championship for a loan. But what level of Championship club would be interested in loaning him and starting him on the back of 32 hours of football with no goal (and counting)? Are there many teams in that league looking for a player who doesn't touch the ball for the first 20 minutes of games?
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Post by Clayton Wood on Oct 1, 2017 15:05:36 GMT
Yesterday I was all for sending him out on loan to Wrexham or Hartlepool but kept away from the keyboard, thankfully. But in the cold light of day maybe a Wrexkam loan* wouldn't be such a bad deal. Hughes has connections there, takes him out of the spotlight, [should] score goals at that level, we'd have to pay 99% of his wages though. Wouldnt go down well with the player maybe but if he's serious about his career he may have to take a big step back to move forward. Wouldn't reflect well on Hughes but neither would sending him down the Bony route. Tin hat on. * not sure of loan deals, can you still do short term loans?Apparently it's just a half-season loan or nothing now. Realistically, you'd think he wouldn't be prepared to drop any lower than the Championship for a loan. But what level of Championship club would be interested in loaning him and starting him on the back of 32 hours of football with no goal (and counting)? Right, a month long loan was what I was thinking, but no can do anymore. If he goes anywhere lower leagues I think we'd be paying 90+% of his wages.
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Post by loyalstripey on Oct 1, 2017 15:06:33 GMT
I tell you what is "seriously shit".... the title and meaning of this thread.
Get behind one of our own, don't mock him, support him!
Disgraceful, End of.
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Post by kustokie on Oct 1, 2017 15:16:44 GMT
With the radio on I was desperately willing him to score that penalty....but deep down I knew he was going to fluff it, and for me that says it all. For whatever reason he's lost it somewhere along the line. I really don't think he's going to come good for us. I'm sorry, I really want him to, but....he can't even score a bloody penalty....where do you go from here? Plenty of great players have missed penos. How many have missed three in a row?
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Post by kustokie on Oct 1, 2017 15:18:17 GMT
They can't move off the line, however, which definitely means they can't dive forwards. Not sure if they can dive sideways as long as they keep one foot on the line. You're right they can't move forward but can move along the goal line by diving or moving providing they do not encroach on the ball and reducing the 10 yard before the kick is taken. The rule was introduced to bring peno kicks in line with rule of encroaching on to the ball before free kick is taken. It can also give the keeper a better chance of saving the peno but clever penalty takers often hesitate on their run up to see if the keeper commits one way. It also explains why penalties are often scored by drilling the ball down the middle. Thanks for the clarification. I think you'll find it's 12 yards not 10 from the spot to the middle of the goal.
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Post by crapslinger on Oct 1, 2017 15:19:55 GMT
Plenty of great players have missed penos. How many have missed three in a row? I suggest not many great ones
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Post by kustokie on Oct 1, 2017 15:34:30 GMT
With the exception of one Benjamin Biscuit I doubt there's a single Stoke supporter that doesn't want Berahino, and by inference Mark Hughes, to succeed. But, for many of us, patience is wearing thin.
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Post by Pugsley on Oct 1, 2017 15:39:40 GMT
With the exception of one Benjamin Biscuit I doubt there's a single Stoke supporter that doesn't want Berahino, and by inference Mark Hughes, to succeed. But, for many of us, patience is wearing thin. Well that's bollocks.
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Post by loosestools on Oct 1, 2017 15:39:45 GMT
Everyone should go on you tube, watch his goals from 2015. All his goals come from him picking up little pockets of space in and around the edge of the area. A lot of goals are shots from 15-25 yards. Technically he is excellent and that doesn't disappear. With him it is a mixture of confidence and getting the ball played in to him at the right time. Stoke have got to play to his strengths. Give him the ball where he wants it. Thread titles like this don't help at hall. Hughes....keep playing him! I work with a load of Baggies fans they say exactly the same, an 18 yard man.
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Post by butlerstbob on Oct 1, 2017 15:41:31 GMT
One the reasons Walters left was because he couldnt believe how Berahino was in the team ahead of him. Also yesterday it was clear that Shaq was pissed off with his lack of intelligent runs off the ball. Crouch said nice things about him on MOTD, but Im sure inside he feels he should be starting ahead of Berahino. I really think some of the squad are losing faith in him as are the supporters. I actually think there is some truth in the players losing faith in him, he was ignored a couple of times yesterday when in a good position, and its not the first time.
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