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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2017 15:42:29 GMT
With the exception of one Benjamin Biscuit I doubt there's a single Stoke supporter that doesn't want Berahino, and by inference Mark Hughes, to succeed. But, for many of us, patience is wearing thin. Indeed.
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Post by butlerstbob on Oct 1, 2017 15:44:57 GMT
With the exception of one Benjamin Biscuit I doubt there's a single Stoke supporter that doesn't want Berahino, and by inference Mark Hughes, to succeed. But, for many of us, patience is wearing thin. I actually think there is more than biscuit, there are several on here and it doesnt take a rocket scientist to work them out!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2017 15:49:01 GMT
One the reasons Walters left was because he couldnt believe how Berahino was in the team ahead of him. Also yesterday it was clear that Shaq was pissed off with his lack of intelligent runs off the ball. Crouch said nice things about him on MOTD, but Im sure inside he feels he should be starting ahead of Berahino. I really think some of the squad are losing faith in him as are the supporters. I actually think there is some truth in the players losing faith in him, he was ignored a couple of times yesterday when in a good position, and its not the first time. Apart from crouch every striker we play gets ignored. I will keep repeating it over and over again. Look where berahino gets his goals previously, he wants the ball in to his feet, facing the goal, he can then shift his balance quick, has low backlift and is excellent at shooting. He also likes quick crosses in to the box. Every striker we ever get is starved of service because the likes of shaq, arnie just play their own little games. We are not playing to berahino's strengths. We never have any sort of strategy except when crouch comes on. I find it difficult to judge saido in the circumstances. I just want us to play to his strengths and give him the ball at the right time
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Post by nott1 on Oct 1, 2017 15:52:16 GMT
It's very strange, he seems to hardly get the ball at all, almost as if the others ignore him. Is he not getting in the right positions or what?
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Post by baltipiesmuggler on Oct 1, 2017 15:57:35 GMT
I tell you what is "seriously shit".... the title and meaning of this thread. Get behind one of our own, don't mock him, support him! Disgraceful, End of. I have to agree. I'm not one for blindly praising our players, but Saido has definitely not earned this bullshit. He's been hung out to dry in every game he's started - you only had to listen to Hughes and player interviews yesterday - 'His link up play was excellent', 'he brought others into play'??? What the fuck - is he supposed to be the new Mama? If we want a target man to go direct or play with his back to goal we've got one - he's on the bench every week. If we want Saido to succeed change the fucking system. Play two strikers, or an actual CAM to support him instead of Joe Allen running around achieving very little just in front of back 7. From what I see he's giving his all every time hes on the pitch. Making good runs, working, but never being given ANY service. None. As for the missed peno, at least he had the balls to take it. Sent from my SM-G928F using proboards
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Post by butlerstbob on Oct 1, 2017 16:01:11 GMT
I actually think there is some truth in the players losing faith in him, he was ignored a couple of times yesterday when in a good position, and its not the first time. Apart from crouch every striker we play gets ignored. I will keep repeating it over and over again. Look where berahino gets his goals previously, he wants the ball in to his feet, facing the goal, he can then shift his balance quick, has low backlift and is excellent at shooting. He also likes quick crosses in to the box. Every striker we ever get is starved of service because the likes of shaq, arnie just play their own little games. We are not playing to berahino's strengths. We never have any sort of strategy except when crouch comes on. I find it difficult to judge saido in the circumstances. I just want us to play to his strengths and give him the ball at the right time I have said very similiar many times, we just dont create that many chances amd until we do every striker we play will struggle to score goals. I am prepared to give him time.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2017 16:12:19 GMT
Here,watch his goals everyone.
All one touch here, or a quick touch to set up a strike.
He is an out and out goalscorer, highly, skilled, superb technique. All is goals with his feet.
Why the fuck we sign a player like that and don't give him the ball in those areas and play him in a two with another striker to feed off I don't know.
Everyone slagging him off, watch the highlights reel, watch his goals and come to a reasoned conclusion about why he is not scoring for us. How many times has he had the ball fed to him in those positions since he came here? Never
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Post by reddipotter on Oct 1, 2017 16:12:46 GMT
I watched Berahino's movement quite closely yesterday and, though he did make some good runs, most of the time he was not in a position where the player with the ball could possibly pass to him. Crouch, on the other hand, is nearly always available to receive the ball.
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Post by loosestools on Oct 1, 2017 16:20:13 GMT
Here,watch his goals everyone. All one touch here, or a quick touch to set up a strike. He is an out and out goalscorer, highly, skilled, superb technique. All is goals with his feet. Why the fuck we sign a player like that and don't give him the ball in those areas and play him in a two with another striker to feed off I don't know. Everyone slagging him off, watch the highlights reel, watch his goals and come to a reasoned conclusion about why he is not scoring for us. How many times has he had the ball fed to him in those positions since he came here? Never Well said Glasgow, Hughes is definitely not playing to his strengths, the system is somehow just not quite right, and I think the fans felt it yesterday, hence a poor atmosphere and much nail biting.
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Post by loosestools on Oct 1, 2017 16:21:07 GMT
There is a good player in there somewhere!!!!!
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Post by FullerMagic on Oct 1, 2017 16:33:43 GMT
I take on board some of the points about us making every striker look bad.
But since Feb 1st, Crouch has played about 1100 minutes and Berahino just short of 1000
Crouch has still found a way to get 7 goals.
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Post by loosestools on Oct 1, 2017 16:38:43 GMT
I take on board some of the points about us making every striker look bad. But since Feb 1st, Crouch has played about 1100 minutes and Berahino just short of 1000 Crouch has still found a way to get 7 goals. Different style of play surely. Crouch does what Crouch does, hence an impact sub. SB is a different style of striker to PC. By the way I love PC (Crouch that is )
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2017 16:48:38 GMT
I take on board some of the points about us making every striker look bad. But since Feb 1st, Crouch has played about 1100 minutes and Berahino just short of 1000 Crouch has still found a way to get 7 goals. But there is a very simple strategy for us when crouch plays, we DO play to his strengths when he is on the pitch. Berahino and every other striker just gets totally ignored by the manager and the players in our team. Look at where he has had his success, he needs passes into his feet in and around the area and another striker to feed off or play in. Look at his nice interplay with jese for the winner against Arse,he likes someone making runs beyond him through the middle
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Post by baltipiesmuggler on Oct 1, 2017 18:29:37 GMT
I think a more pertinent question to ask would be why do we look absolutely incapable of scoring goals, regardless of whether hes on the pitch or not. The only time we do is when Crouch is on. Why?
Because we play to his strengths in the opposition half.
How may times did we lump a long ball to Saido, or stick a cross in that frankly a CB was going to win every time.
Unless hes playing off a target man's shoulder he won't score until we have a proper CM linking our play with some proper creativity.
Sent from my SM-G928F using proboards
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Oct 1, 2017 18:50:48 GMT
With the exception of one Benjamin Biscuit I doubt there's a single Stoke supporter that doesn't want Berahino, and by inference Mark Hughes, to succeed. But, for many of us, patience is wearing thin. I actually think there is more than biscuit, there are several on here and it doesnt take a rocket scientist to work them out! Have you actually read my support for berahino and Hughes , it's been totally consistent , berahino needs time and Hughes needs proper backing .
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Post by crapslinger on Oct 1, 2017 18:50:55 GMT
There is a good player in there somewhere!!!!! They keep saying that about Imbula.
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Post by loosestools on Oct 1, 2017 18:54:36 GMT
There is a good player in there somewhere!!!!! They keep saying that about Imbula. Cannot provide a response to that. Total smack in the mouth.
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Post by crapslinger on Oct 1, 2017 18:57:33 GMT
I see Joselu scored his second today, who will come out as top scorer this season between him and Berahino ????
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Post by Miles Offside on Oct 1, 2017 19:07:24 GMT
Our current forwards' goal scoring records since the start of last season:-
Crouch - 13
Jese - 6
Choupo - 5
Shaquiri - 5
Berahino - 0
Diouf - 2 (occasionally plays up front)
So on the face of it, the thread title might be right. But our manager plays our strikers in a straight-jacket.
Berahino with a partner (I'd like to see Dious alongside him) would, my guess, give us something to play to up front and we'd score goals.
Much as I like Crouch, I think he's the super-sub these days.
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Post by reddipotter on Oct 1, 2017 19:19:46 GMT
I think a more pertinent question to ask would be why do we look absolutely incapable of scoring goals, regardless of whether hes on the pitch or not. The only time we do is when Crouch is on. Why? Because we play to his strengths in the opposition half. How may times did we lump a long ball to Saido, or stick a cross in that frankly a CB was going to win every time. Unless hes playing off a target man's shoulder he won't score until we have a proper CM linking our play with some proper creativity. Sent from my SM-G928F using proboards The answer to your question could, of course, be that Crouch is a better central forward than any of the others we have used.
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Post by butlerstbob on Oct 1, 2017 19:28:12 GMT
I think a more pertinent question to ask would be why do we look absolutely incapable of scoring goals, regardless of whether hes on the pitch or not. The only time we do is when Crouch is on. Why? Because we play to his strengths in the opposition half. How may times did we lump a long ball to Saido, or stick a cross in that frankly a CB was going to win every time. Unless hes playing off a target man's shoulder he won't score until we have a proper CM linking our play with some proper creativity. Sent from my SM-G928F using proboards The answer to your question could, of course, be that Crouch is a better central forward than any of the others we have used. And also to add to that if Crouch was the same age as Berahino we probably wouldnt be able to afford him, he has been a fantastic striker in his time, and actually still is. But this is what people seem to forget! If he were in his early 20's now what would he be worth I wonder?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2017 19:33:02 GMT
I see Joselu scored his second today, who will come out as top scorer this season between him and Berahino ???? Joselu scored one of the luckiest goals in history today.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 1, 2017 19:37:40 GMT
Our current forwards' goal scoring records since the start of last season:- Crouch - 13 Jese - 6 Choupo - 5 Shaquiri - 5 Berahino - 0 Diouf - 2 (occasionally plays up front) So on the face of it, the thread title might be right. But our manager plays our strikers in a straight-jacket. Berahino with a partner (I'd like to see Dious alongside him) would, my guess, give us something to play to up front and we'd score goals. Much as I like Crouch, I think he's the super-sub these days. Don't Berahino's stats over his career suggest he's better up front on his own?
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Post by crapslinger on Oct 1, 2017 19:40:13 GMT
I see Joselu scored his second today, who will come out as top scorer this season between him and Berahino ???? Joselu scored one of the luckiest goals in history today. Indeed he did but he scored it, he was bearing down on goal and made his own luck funny that, he was not in hiding he made a positive run that is what a striker supposed to do.
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Post by hchpotter on Oct 1, 2017 19:43:45 GMT
I see Joselu scored his second today, who will come out as top scorer this season between him and Berahino ???? Joselu scored one of the luckiest goals in history today. Joselu scored a lucky goal having got into a great position, clear of the two Liverpool Centre backs. Against us, he showed he can find space and create chances. He’s not the greatest finisher but he has attributes that Berahino seems to have lost. Lucky or not, he’s scored more for Newcastle in 6 weeks than Berahino has scored for us in 9 months, having comprehensively outscored him in preseason. We let the wrong striker go, and the wrong right back in the window.
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Post by spiderpuss on Oct 1, 2017 19:47:16 GMT
What I see of the SB is that he seems to work hard, there's plenty of tracking back and tackling and trying to help his team mates. A typical TP player who "works aaaard". What I also see is someone whose confidence is shot to bits, it's very hard to see where there next goal is coming from. Yesterday, he just had to beat Frazer Foster, that presented too difficult a task for him. Also during the warm-ups he was struggling to find the target during the shooting practice. Meanwhile Crouch and co were being far more accurate. There's no menace with SB at the moment, he's not putting himself about in the box enough and there's certainly no dangerous situations being generated. It's hard to know where to go with SB, there won't be goals coming from this source any time soon sadly.
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Post by crapslinger on Oct 1, 2017 19:51:22 GMT
What I see of the SB is that he seems to work hard, there's plenty of tracking back and tackling and trying to help his team mates. A typical TP player who "works aaaard". What I also see is someone whose confidence is shot to bits, it's very hard to see where there next goal is coming from. Yesterday, he just had to beat Frazer Foster, that presented too difficult a task for him. Also during the warm-ups he was struggling to find the target during the shooting practice. Meanwhile Crouch and co were being far more accurate. There's no menace with SB at the moment, he's not putting himself about in the box enough and there's certainly no dangerous situations being generated. It's hard to know where to go with SB, there won't be goals coming from this source any time soon sadly. Hughes persisted with him last season and cost us points, yet some are calling for Hughes to give him another extended run again, he needs loaning out to a level where he can score goals, if he struggles say in Division 1 we will know he is a busted flush and get rid in January if at all possible.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 1, 2017 20:51:34 GMT
He might end up doing a Keith Bertshin. 2 in the first season, 19 in the second. I remember he used to go mental when he scored. Haha, yeah he did. Remember that goal he scored at the Hawthorns when he ran the length of the pitch and leapt onto the fencing to celebrate with the Stokies. We were 4-0 down at the time!
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Post by kustokie on Oct 1, 2017 21:44:06 GMT
I see Joselu scored his second today, who will come out as top scorer this season between him and Berahino ???? Joselu scored one of the luckiest goals in history today. Bollox. He was in the right place at the right time. It's what strikers do.
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Post by nutterpotter on Oct 1, 2017 21:49:00 GMT
Good lad
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