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Post by WhyDelilah on Oct 1, 2017 10:54:02 GMT
Hard not to be worried. He doesn't do anything particularly well. Another expensive flop Grapey?
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Oct 1, 2017 10:57:30 GMT
Exactly why is calling someone "hilariously shit" not personal abuse? If it had been written in the match day program or in the Daily Mail it would have been personal abuse. Personal abuse is personal abuse if it is written on a public forum, whether that forum is printed media or on an internet message board. You don't half talk bollox sometimes, bayern! And to make things absolutely clear, that is me using personal abuse about you! Because there is no way that he should ever see this and if he does then he deserves it. That to me isn't personal abuse. If he comes on here then he's an idiot. If he searches his name on Twitter, he's an idiot. I'd like to think they wouldn't. Using that argument you could argue that abusing someone on the front page of a newspaper or on a TV program, is not personal abuse because that person does not have to buy the newspaper or watch the TV program. Try libelling someone and then using the argument in court that the person you libelled did not need to buy the paper so they were not really libelled! Note (because I know the way you argue) I am NOT saying that Berahino has been libelled - but he HAS been abused by the title of this thread and by some of the posts on it to claim otherwise is just daft.
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Post by superheroantonius on Oct 1, 2017 11:02:10 GMT
One thing you can't level at him is that he isn't trying. He's clearly desperate to break his duck and I won't knock him for wanting the penalty. In the past we've moaned at strikers not taking penalties, not taking responsibility and not scoring enough goals yet we also moan when the opposite happens. If we have a designated, clinical penalty taker then fair enough but does anybody even know WHO was supposed to have taken it? There have been much less likeable players than him to have had a bad spell and I'm willing to stick by him. He knows the situation himself and the last thing he needs is people getting on at him. If he's shit then he's shit but I really do think it's just confidence. I think charlie Adam is the best striker of a dead ball we have. Closely followed by shaq. Both strike the ball very sweetly. Charlie gets a bit more pace on it. Both are a class above Everybody else
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 1, 2017 11:03:59 GMT
I'm sure it's been said before, probably on this thread, which I can't be arsed to trawl through, but it's basically Dave Kitson all over again.
We all said the same with him, he's obviously trying but it just isn't working for him. Once he scores, he'll be off and running. Well Kitson scored and didn't do anything after that and I reckon Berahino's the same.
Will be playing in the Championship for Reading or Forest in 18 months, or a 'lesser' PL side might take a punt on him for £6-9 mill. Burnley, Palace, Bournemouth, that kind of thing. He might end up playing for a Championship side that gets promoted and we see him again, but he'll still not be able to bang the goals in at PL level.
One half decent PL decent season at one club and that's it. Very Kitson-esque.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 1, 2017 11:04:00 GMT
Because there is no way that he should ever see this and if he does then he deserves it. That to me isn't personal abuse. If he comes on here then he's an idiot. If he searches his name on Twitter, he's an idiot. I'd like to think they wouldn't. Using that argument you could argue that abusing someone on the front page of a newspaper or on a TV program, is not personal abuse because that person does not have to buy the newspaper or watch the TV program. Try libelling someone and then using the argument in court that the person you libelled did not need to buy the paper so they were not really libelled! Note (because I know the way you argue) I am NOT saying that Berahino has been libelled - but he HAS been abused by the title of this thread and by some of the posts on it to claim otherwise is just daft. It's just an opinion. And I can easily see why people may think he's been hilariously shit. And saying someone has been shite isn't abuse at all especially when they've been shite.
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Post by FullerMagic on Oct 1, 2017 11:07:35 GMT
Hard not to be worried. He doesn't do anything particularly well. Another expensive flop Grapey? It'd be a brave man who'd bet on him still being in the first-team mix next season. But, that said, we're contractually obliged to pay him £70,000-a-week until June 2022. So it's hard to see him going anywhere permanently. I don't think we'll have any choice but to loan him out (maybe as early as January), but what level of club would want/afford to make a sizeable wage contribution is hard to work out.
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Post by JoeinOz on Oct 1, 2017 11:09:39 GMT
A vale fan might think it's 'hilariously shit' one of our players is struggling but that's fair enough and goes with the territory. One of our own fans enjoying it suggests an agenda.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 1, 2017 11:12:09 GMT
I'm not sure expressing an opinion that a footballer is shit is personal abuse is it?
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Oct 1, 2017 11:14:20 GMT
How you can call one of your players hilariously shit is beyond me. When he gets his goals (which he will), I'll take huge delight in bringing this post back up. Many of you have made yourselves look complete clowns over the last few months and I'll be happy to rub your noses in it once again. Support your team and get behind a player who is down on his luck and who didn't get great service yesterday. I lost count of the number of great runs that he made and didn't get the ball to feet.
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Oct 1, 2017 11:15:21 GMT
Fucking pathetic thread after a win, the only hilarious thing is how shit some of our fans are. Spot on.
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Post by somersetstokie on Oct 1, 2017 11:16:01 GMT
Who is most likely to score first, Berahino or Crystal Palace. What we need to do is get Saido to stand in the box at a corner and do nothing in the hope that the ball hits him and goes into the net, a la Soulamayne Oulare. That would then be two goals that Stokies would never forget!
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Post by thegift on Oct 1, 2017 11:16:41 GMT
Because there is no way that he should ever see this and if he does then he deserves it. That to me isn't personal abuse. If he comes on here then he's an idiot. If he searches his name on Twitter, he's an idiot. I'd like to think they wouldn't. Using that argument you could argue that abusing someone on the front page of a newspaper or on a TV program, is not personal abuse because that person does not have to buy the newspaper or watch the TV program. Try libelling someone and then using the argument in court that the person you libelled did not need to buy the paper so they were not really libelled! Note (because I know the way you argue) I am NOT saying that Berahino has been libelled - but he HAS been abused by the title of this thread and by some of the posts on it to claim otherwise is just daft. Question re this: Do you think the players ever search their names on things like twitter?
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Post by thegift on Oct 1, 2017 11:17:40 GMT
Who is most likely to score first, Berahino or Crystal Palace. What we need to do is get Saido to stand in the box at a corner and do nothing in the hope that the ball hits him and goes into the net, a la Soulamayne Oulare. That would then be two goals that Stokies would never forget! Unfortunately even berahino would manage to miss an oulare-esque type goal.
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Post by Pugsley on Oct 1, 2017 11:19:19 GMT
Will finish as our top scorer this season.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 1, 2017 11:19:35 GMT
A vale fan might think it's 'hilariously shit' one of our players is struggling but that's fair enough and goes with the territory. One of our own fans enjoying it suggests an agenda. No it doesn't. You can laugh at someone because of how bad something is. It's better than crying as they say. The agenda stuff is the biggest load of bollocks to come on to this board since the PHW shite.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 1, 2017 11:20:07 GMT
Using that argument you could argue that abusing someone on the front page of a newspaper or on a TV program, is not personal abuse because that person does not have to buy the newspaper or watch the TV program. Try libelling someone and then using the argument in court that the person you libelled did not need to buy the paper so they were not really libelled! Note (because I know the way you argue) I am NOT saying that Berahino has been libelled - but he HAS been abused by the title of this thread and by some of the posts on it to claim otherwise is just daft. Question re this: Do you think the players ever search their names on things like twitter? Geoff Cameron definitely does. The clown.
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Post by thegift on Oct 1, 2017 11:21:18 GMT
Question re this: Do you think the players ever search their names on things like twitter? Geoff Cameron definitely does. The clown. Have i missed something? lol
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Post by JoeinOz on Oct 1, 2017 11:21:26 GMT
A vale fan might think it's 'hilariously shit' one of our players is struggling but that's fair enough and goes with the territory. One of our own fans enjoying it suggests an agenda. No it doesn't. You can laugh at someone because of how bad something is. It's better than crying as they say. The agenda stuff is the biggest load of bollocks to come on to this board since the PHW shite. The agenda aspect is a Hughes signing not working out and some are enjoying it a bit too much.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 1, 2017 11:24:31 GMT
Geoff Cameron definitely does. The clown. Have i missed something? lol He just blocks people that have never tweeted him. It's so funny and weak. đŸ˜‚
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 1, 2017 11:25:14 GMT
No it doesn't. You can laugh at someone because of how bad something is. It's better than crying as they say. The agenda stuff is the biggest load of bollocks to come on to this board since the PHW shite. The agenda aspect is a Hughes signing not working out and some are enjoying it a bit too much. That's bollocks though Joe. Especially in WDs instance.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Oct 1, 2017 11:28:53 GMT
A vale fan might think it's 'hilariously shit' one of our players is struggling but that's fair enough and goes with the territory. One of our own fans enjoying it suggests an agenda. No it doesn't. You can laugh at someone because of how bad something is. It's better than crying as they say. The agenda stuff is the biggest load of bollocks to come on to this board since the PHW shite. There's a difference between laughing at something ie 'laughing in the face of adversity' and finding something 'hilarious'. Hilarious definition - very funny, extremely amusing, hysterically funny, hysterical, uproarious, riotous, farcical, side-splitting, rib-tickling, too funny for words etc etc. I'm glad I feel none of those at the fact that Berahino can't hit a bulls arse with a banjo at the moment.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 1, 2017 11:30:34 GMT
No it doesn't. You can laugh at someone because of how bad something is. It's better than crying as they say. The agenda stuff is the biggest load of bollocks to come on to this board since the PHW shite. There's a difference between laughing at something ie 'laughing in the face of adversity' and finding something 'hilarious'. Hilarious definition - very funny, extremely amusing, hysterically funny, hysterical, uproarious, riotous, farcical, side-splitting, rib-tickling, too funny for words etc etc. I'm glad I feel none of those at the fact that Berahino can't hit a bulls arse with a banjo at the moment. Him not being able to hit a cows arse with a banjo is adverse isn't it?
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Oct 1, 2017 11:33:29 GMT
There's a difference between laughing at something ie 'laughing in the face of adversity' and finding something 'hilarious'. Hilarious definition - very funny, extremely amusing, hysterically funny, hysterical, uproarious, riotous, farcical, side-splitting, rib-tickling, too funny for words etc etc. I'm glad I feel none of those at the fact that Berahino can't hit a bulls arse with a banjo at the moment. Him not being able to hit a cows arse with a banjo is adverse isn't it? That's not the point I was making and you know it.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 1, 2017 11:35:00 GMT
Him not being able to hit a cows arse with a banjo is adverse isn't it? That's not the point I was making and you know it. It isn't but then I think laughing at it is fine. So I do disagree. And I want Berahino to succeed so badly. But he just doesn't seem like he'll ever score.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2017 11:40:07 GMT
I've no idea where this bollocks about him making no runs or having no ball control or strength, I've no doubt people don't want him to fail, but maybe it's more a confirmation bias thing? After I realised how shit I thought Glen Johnson was it became very hard to acknowledge anything he did well (on rewatching the Chelsea game and trying my very bestest to be open minded i noticed he did some things well). Possible the same thing is happening here, people can't see Berahino do things well because they've already decided he's shite. Seen it several times with Arnie/Bojan/Shawcross/Pieters/Walters, the list goes on.
Could say the opposite is true for those defending Berahino, but having watched the game again, I see a player who had a decent 7/10 game, the only major problem was his penalty miss.
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Post by wuzza on Oct 1, 2017 11:40:08 GMT
Expressing an opinion about one of your owns abilities is fine , doing it in an OTT and derogatory manner (especially when the lad is giving it his best and not hiding) seems a bit off to me - sensitive old pre-social media soul that I am!
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Oct 1, 2017 11:40:49 GMT
That's not the point I was making and you know it. It isn't but then I think laughing at it is fine. So I do disagree. And I want Berahino to succeed so badly. But he just doesn't seem like he'll ever score. I've no problem with people thinking Berahino's shit. I've no problem with people laughing at him in his shitness. My problem was with a Stoke fan who finds it 'hilarious' (a far more profound emotion than simply laughing) that he is shit. If he'd posted 'Berahino's shit'. I wouldn't have argued. I wouldn't have agreed but I wouldn't have argued.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 1, 2017 11:45:41 GMT
It isn't but then I think laughing at it is fine. So I do disagree. And I want Berahino to succeed so badly. But he just doesn't seem like he'll ever score. I've no problem with people thinking Berahino's shit. I've no problem with people laughing at him in his shitness. My problem was with a Stoke fan who finds it 'hilarious' (a far more profound emotion than simply laughing) that he is shit. If he'd posted 'Berahino's shit'. I wouldn't have argued. I wouldn't have agreed but I wouldn't have argued. It's just a turn of phrase of though isn't it? Something can be laughably bad. With Wolly it got to the point where I'd find his errors hilarious. Because there was just no point in caring any more as the clown would make them anyway. It shows defeat I guess. But again I can see why people could think like that with Saido. As much as I don't.
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Post by Sam on Oct 1, 2017 11:54:02 GMT
What a waste of money!!! Offers absolutely zero from open play, and throws in a missed penalty for good measure. Absolutely garbage. Crouch needs to start from here on in. Hughes clearly can't spend money. I think it’s about time you had one of your hissy fits & delete your account. You really are one sad person to take pleasure in slagging off one of your own players. Totally uncalled for & pathetic!!!!
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Oct 1, 2017 11:56:15 GMT
I've no problem with people thinking Berahino's shit. I've no problem with people laughing at him in his shitness. My problem was with a Stoke fan who finds it 'hilarious' (a far more profound emotion than simply laughing) that he is shit. If he'd posted 'Berahino's shit'. I wouldn't have argued. I wouldn't have agreed but I wouldn't have argued. It's just a turn of phrase of though isn't it? Something can be laughably bad. With Wolly it got to the point where I'd find his errors hilarious. Because there was just no point in caring any more as the clown would make them anyway. It shows defeat I guess. But again I can see why people could think like that with Saido. As much as I don't. Nah mate sorry not having it. It is a turn of phrase and a very unfortunate one. Having a little laugh is acceptable and entirely normal for a Stoke fan. You'd go mad if you din't. Hilarity is way over the top. That's my opinion. And it won't change as much as you try and defend WD.
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