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Post by lawrieleslie on Oct 1, 2017 6:01:00 GMT
Come on Tone keep up. Keepers been allowed to move along his goal line before the kick is taken for at least three seasons. You're right though he cant They can't move off the line, however, which definitely means they can't dive forwards. Not sure if they can dive sideways as long as they keep one foot on the line. You're right they can't move forward but can move along the goal line by diving or moving providing they do not encroach on the ball and reducing the 10 yard before the kick is taken. The rule was introduced to bring peno kicks in line with rule of encroaching on to the ball before free kick is taken. It can also give the keeper a better chance of saving the peno but clever penalty takers often hesitate on their run up to see if the keeper commits one way. It also explains why penalties are often scored by drilling the ball down the middle.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2017 6:23:33 GMT
Imagine the uproar if he shyed away from the pen and went missing. And let's say shaq missed it. Fuck me this thread would be 29 pages long accusing him of being a bottler. What today showed me was he still believers in his own ability, he's still got some confidence. Yes he missed but his all round play was decent. It's time we now keep that settled side and give him a dozen games. Hughes chased him now back your man and show him your faith
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Post by gezzer on Oct 1, 2017 8:52:11 GMT
It has always puzzled me that people say ''he needs a Goal to get his confidence back'', surely that's bollocks as inherent skill and vision should be what enables a Striker. Bera has neither of these in reality, he can't seem to go on a meaningful run into space to create chances and as for missing scoring from a Penalty, well that IMHO personifies his ability. He gets a massive pay packet every month and that should be his motivation to do his job properly and not mug off the Fans. He is a hopeless case and I really wonder how long MH will persist on starting him to the determent of the Team.
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Post by superheroantonius on Oct 1, 2017 9:04:18 GMT
He hasn't scored since February 2016
That's not fifty grand a week stuff
I can do that
Anyone in the ground can do that
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Post by cousindupree on Oct 1, 2017 9:08:55 GMT
Imagine the uproar if he shyed away from the pen and went missing. And let's say shaq missed it. Fuck me this thread would be 29 pages long accusing him of being a bottler. What today showed me was he still believers in his own ability, he's still got some confidence. Yes he missed but his all round play was decent. It's time we now keep that settled side and give him a dozen games. Hughes chased him now back your man and show him your faith I genuinely wouldn't have had a go at him. I am confused at who and how the designated penalty taker gets chosen surely it must be the manager's decision prior to the game if that's the case then credit to the lad for stepping up. To be a Prem striker you need to have more about your game than merely running around and closing down the defense. I think we have seen enough of him to see he doesn't get into space, times his runs poorly and is incapable of a bit of magic to create a chance for himself. To start him in the next 12 games would see Hughes sectioned, time to look at a loan for the lad to see if he can find his level.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2017 9:13:27 GMT
Imagine the uproar if he shyed away from the pen and went missing. And let's say shaq missed it. Fuck me this thread would be 29 pages long accusing him of being a bottler. What today showed me was he still believers in his own ability, he's still got some confidence. Yes he missed but his all round play was decent. It's time we now keep that settled side and give him a dozen games. Hughes chased him now back your man and show him your faith I genuinely wouldn't have had a go at him. I am confused at who and how the designated penalty taker gets chosen surely it must be the manager's decision prior to the game if that's the case then credit to the lad for stepping up. To be a Prem striker you need to have more about your game than merely running around and closing down the defense. I think we have seen enough of him to see he doesn't get into space, times his runs poorly and is incapable of a bit of magic to create a chance for himself. To start him in the next 12 games would see Hughes sectioned, time to look at a loan for the lad to see if he can find his level. I disagree mate. Realistically he's our only recognised striker who can play up front. Lets not kid ouselves Crouch is good for 20 mins. Any more than that and we would be inviting pressure onto us. Hughes spent 18 months chasing him so to loan him would be a huge kick in the bollocks for the lad. Imo his all round play was decent. I may be in the minority but I genuinely believe he will come good. It could end up being me that gets sectioned ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/kwfoKwtHI0jglJZ4qZf6.gif)
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 1, 2017 9:15:33 GMT
It has always puzzled me that people say ''he needs a Goal to get his confidence back'', surely that's bollocks as inherent skill and vision should be what enables a Striker. Bera has neither of these in reality, he can't seem to go on a meaningful run into space to create chances and as for missing scoring from a Penalty, well that IMHO personifies his ability. He gets a massive pay packet every month and that should be his motivation to do his job properly and not mug off the Fans. He is a hopeless case and I really wonder how long MH will persist on starting him to the determent of the Team. This is what makes letting him take the penalty even more unforgivable. This ridiculous notion that if he scored it would act as some sort of magic potion and the goals will start to flow. The same way that people say he just needs one to go in off his arse as if it will open some mythical dam and goals will start flying in. They won't. He will never score significant goals for Stoke or in the Premier League. Never.
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Post by superheroantonius on Oct 1, 2017 9:18:35 GMT
I genuinely wouldn't have had a go at him. I am confused at who and how the designated penalty taker gets chosen surely it must be the manager's decision prior to the game if that's the case then credit to the lad for stepping up. To be a Prem striker you need to have more about your game than merely running around and closing down the defense. I think we have seen enough of him to see he doesn't get into space, times his runs poorly and is incapable of a bit of magic to create a chance for himself. To start him in the next 12 games would see Hughes sectioned, time to look at a loan for the lad to see if he can find his level. I disagree mate. Realistically he's our only recognised striker who can play up front. Lets not kid ouselves Crouch is good for 20 mins. Any more than that and we would be inviting pressure onto us. Hughes spent 18 months chasing him so to loan him would be a huge kick in the bollocks for the lad. Imo his all round play was decent. I may be in the minority but I genuinely believe he will come good. It could end up being me that gets sectioned ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/kwfoKwtHI0jglJZ4qZf6.gif) The counter argument is he is not as quick as diouf So invites pressure on us He doesn't run in to space aswell as diouf He is not as good at offering his team mates an out ball as diouf He doesn't have diouf's aerial threat He's not as good a team player as diouf He's lazier than diouf and doesn't press defenders aswell as diouf And he scores less goals than diouf
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Post by FullerMagic on Oct 1, 2017 9:18:50 GMT
Hard not to be worried.
He doesn't do anything particularly well.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2017 9:21:59 GMT
I disagree mate. Realistically he's our only recognised striker who can play up front. Lets not kid ouselves Crouch is good for 20 mins. Any more than that and we would be inviting pressure onto us. Hughes spent 18 months chasing him so to loan him would be a huge kick in the bollocks for the lad. Imo his all round play was decent. I may be in the minority but I genuinely believe he will come good. It could end up being me that gets sectioned ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/kwfoKwtHI0jglJZ4qZf6.gif) The counter argument is he is not as quick as diouf So invites pressure on us He doesn't run in to space aswell as diouf He is not as good at offering his team mates an out ball as diouf He doesn't have diouf's aerial threat He's not as good a team player as diouf He's lazier than diouf and doesn't press defenders aswell as diouf And he scores less goals than diouf Dioufs not a striker though ;-)
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Post by robwahlmann on Oct 1, 2017 9:29:15 GMT
He seems so low on confidence right now that I honestly don't know what will be the best for him? Maybe a loan to a Championship club could pay off, I'm not sure, but playing him on top for us now seems to be be a very bad decision I'm afraid. ![8-|](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/rY_vRFLA3mqqdMbEG4cF.gif)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2017 9:35:38 GMT
He's going through a tough time most people do at work at some point but personal abuse is just pathetic. The title of the thread just sums up some of the clowns on here.
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Post by march4 on Oct 1, 2017 9:36:50 GMT
The lads career is clearly in danger of coming to an end when his contract finishes.
He is not offering anything that even a lower league club would be interested in. I suspect it is all a whirl in his head and he is in the unenviable position of not knowing what to do to improve things. Consequently he has stopped taking the speculative gambles that mark out goal scorers. I have plenty of sympathy for him.
Added to that he has no pace, no strength, no aggression, no ball control, no heading ability and so turning him into a winger or a full back or a midfielder is not a starter.
It is shame for the lad, but it was all entirely predictable when we signed him. This is a second Hughes signing competing for the title of worst in 150 years.
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Post by werrington on Oct 1, 2017 9:37:47 GMT
He's going through a tough time most people do at work at some point but personal abuse is just pathetic. The title of the thread just sums up some of the clowns on here. Truly embarrassing isn't it mate
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Post by crapslinger on Oct 1, 2017 9:45:37 GMT
He seems so low on confidence right now that I honestly don't know what will be the best for him? Maybe a loan to a Championship club could pay off, I'm not sure, but playing him on top for us now seems to be be a very bad decision I'm afraid. The problem is that we don't have an out and out striker apart from Mama who is able to play for 90 mins. effectively, Berahino is a poor signing again who does not fit the system he was bought to fit into he has none of the attributes required to make it work hence zero goals since he came here.
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Post by southstanddan on Oct 1, 2017 9:45:41 GMT
The manager and coaches watch him train everyday. If he was no where near good enough he would be no where near the team. Just a matter of time I hope...
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Post by crapslinger on Oct 1, 2017 9:48:03 GMT
He's going through a tough time most people do at work at some point but personal abuse is just pathetic. The title of the thread just sums up some of the clowns on here. If you struggled at your job for as long as he has you should consider a different career, fact is you would need to as you would have already been sacked for incompetence.
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Post by juiceandbits on Oct 1, 2017 9:50:23 GMT
Can we just play him in a front two please? That would make a big difference. He's not a lone striker.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 1, 2017 9:50:58 GMT
He's going through a tough time most people do at work at some point but personal abuse is just pathetic. The title of the thread just sums up some of the clowns on here. It's not personal abuse is it? It's a thread on the Internet. ππ He's been given nothing but support where it matters.
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Post by crapslinger on Oct 1, 2017 9:52:55 GMT
Can we just play him in a front two please? That would make a big difference. He's not a lone striker. So why did we buy him to play as a lone striker ?
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Post by werrington on Oct 1, 2017 10:23:04 GMT
He's going through a tough time most people do at work at some point but personal abuse is just pathetic. The title of the thread just sums up some of the clowns on here. It's not personal abuse is it? It's a thread on the Internet. ππ He's been given nothing but support where it matters. Not personal ?....I suggest you look at the title,take it in and imagine it's you he's talking about
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 1, 2017 10:25:53 GMT
It's not personal abuse is it? It's a thread on the Internet. ππ He's been given nothing but support where it matters. Not personal ?....I suggest you look at the title,take it in and imagine it's you he's talking about Yeah that's aimed at me as I post on here. If Saido comes looking on here then he deserves it. He should know better. If people are tweeting him then that's different and that is out of order. They shouldn't be on Twitter mind. It's a cesspit.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Oct 1, 2017 10:27:34 GMT
One thing you can't level at him is that he isn't trying. He's clearly desperate to break his duck and I won't knock him for wanting the penalty. In the past we've moaned at strikers not taking penalties, not taking responsibility and not scoring enough goals yet we also moan when the opposite happens. If we have a designated, clinical penalty taker then fair enough but does anybody even know WHO was supposed to have taken it?
There have been much less likeable players than him to have had a bad spell and I'm willing to stick by him. He knows the situation himself and the last thing he needs is people getting on at him. If he's shit then he's shit but I really do think it's just confidence.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 1, 2017 10:29:17 GMT
He's going through a tough time most people do at work at some point but personal abuse is just pathetic. The title of the thread just sums up some of the clowns on here. It's not personal abuse is it? It's a thread on the Internet. ππ He's been given nothing but support where it matters. The fans have been nothing but understanding and patient with him and gave him an entirely undeserved ovation as he sauntered off yesterday. The fans are not the issue here at all.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2017 10:30:26 GMT
31 hours and 48 minutes without a goal and he has missed 3 penalties in that time. Wimmer is getting slated after just 3 games and people still defend Berahino. The only saving grace is we did not sign him 12 months earlier and waste an extra 10 million.
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Post by swampmongrel on Oct 1, 2017 10:47:15 GMT
Apart from one really good season at WBA there isn't really much evidence to suggest that he's any good at this level. Perhaps his time with us is a truer reflection of his abilities than that season a few years ago.
To me he looks like Cameron Jerome without the pace. Not a bad footballer by any stretch but not really a natural finisher and not enough in other departments to make up for it.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Oct 1, 2017 10:48:16 GMT
He's going through a tough time most people do at work at some point but personal abuse is just pathetic. The title of the thread just sums up some of the clowns on here. It's not personal abuse is it? It's a thread on the Internet. ππ He's been given nothing but support where it matters. Exactly why is calling someone "hilariously shit" not personal abuse? If it had been written in the match day program or in the Daily Mail it would have been personal abuse. Personal abuse is personal abuse if it is written on a public forum, whether that forum is printed media or on an internet message board or on a podcast or radio program. You don't half talk bollox sometimes, bayern! And to make things absolutely clear, that is me using personal abuse about you!
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Post by Ryan_Shawjosh on Oct 1, 2017 10:49:53 GMT
I've just seen Alcacer and Deulofeu are looking to leave Barcelona in January. I'd take either, on loan or permanent, if we could attract them and Berahino is still struggling. I really want Berahino to get through his slump as it's never good to see a Stoke player struggling with confidence but, if he's still struggling in January, we need him replaced asap.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 1, 2017 10:51:29 GMT
It's not personal abuse is it? It's a thread on the Internet. ππ He's been given nothing but support where it matters. Exactly why is calling someone "hilariously shit" not personal abuse? If it had been written in the match day program or in the Daily Mail it would have been personal abuse. Personal abuse is personal abuse if it is written on a public forum, whether that forum is printed media or on an internet message board. You don't half talk bollox sometimes, bayern! And to make things absolutely clear, that is me using personal abuse about you! Because there is no way that he should ever see this and if he does then he deserves it. That to me isn't personal abuse. If he comes on here then he's an idiot. If he searches his name on Twitter, he's an idiot. I'd like to think they wouldn't.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 1, 2017 10:52:02 GMT
I've just seen Alcacer and Deulofeu are looking to leave Barcelona in January. I'd take either, on loan or permanent, if we could attract them and Berahino is still struggling. I really want Berahino to get through his slump as it's never good to see a Stoke player struggling with confidence but, if he's still struggling in January, we need him replaced asap. Gerry D is an absolute arsehole.
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