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Post by milky on Oct 2, 2017 16:34:37 GMT
If that had been Berahino in a Stoke shirt you wouldn't be saying that. It wasn't though You haven't denied it though. You'd have been claiming it a fluke an ridiculing him.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 2, 2017 17:43:59 GMT
If that had been Berahino in a Stoke shirt you wouldn't be saying that. It wasn't though No that would mean someone created a chance for him.
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Post by crapslinger on Oct 2, 2017 18:40:50 GMT
It wasn't though No that would mean someone created a chance for him. He made the run in order that the ball could be played through to him !, that is what good strikers do create space make intelligent runs not hide behind the CB, that is the difference between a striker who scores goals and one that doesn't you make your own luck, if you don't buy a ticket you don't win the lottery.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 2, 2017 19:09:02 GMT
No that would mean someone created a chance for him. He made the run in order that the ball could be played through to him !, that is what good strikers do create space make intelligent runs not hide behind the CB, that is the difference between a striker who scores goals and one that doesn't you make your own luck, if you don't buy a ticket you don't win the lottery. He's made plenty of runs since he got here, he's either been ignored or the players we have aren't capable, either way something needs to change, we either sign a more mobile big lump that Hughes knows what to do with and to make it easier for the existing lot or we sign players that are able to create for the strikers we have.
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Post by crapslinger on Oct 2, 2017 19:30:20 GMT
He made the run in order that the ball could be played through to him !, that is what good strikers do create space make intelligent runs not hide behind the CB, that is the difference between a striker who scores goals and one that doesn't you make your own luck, if you don't buy a ticket you don't win the lottery. He's made plenty of runs since he got here, he's either been ignored or the players we have aren't capable, either way something needs to change, we either sign a more mobile big lump that Hughes knows what to do with and to make it easier for the existing lot or we sign players that are able to create for the strikers we have. Signing players that are suitable to play in the system he has decided on would be a start, a lone striker who can not hold the ball up, create chances for himself is about as useful as an ash tray on a motorbike in this set up, Hughes has failed to find the right pieces for the jigsaw he created.
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Post by kjpt140v on Oct 3, 2017 17:51:36 GMT
What a waste of money!!! Offers absolutely zero from open play, and throws in a missed penalty for good measure. Absolutely garbage. Crouch needs to start from here on in. Hughes clearly can't spend money. Well you've proved a theory of mine, many contributors know fuck all about the game.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2017 17:58:59 GMT
So, 12 pages in and i'm still to work out what exactly is hilarious about it all?
Anyone?
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Post by kustokie on Oct 4, 2017 1:03:48 GMT
What a waste of money!!! Offers absolutely zero from open play, and throws in a missed penalty for good measure. Absolutely garbage. Crouch needs to start from here on in. Hughes clearly can't spend money. Well you've proved a theory of mine, many contributors know fuck all about the game. Agree. Hughes knows how to spend money - just not on decent players.
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Post by kustokie on Oct 4, 2017 1:04:58 GMT
So, 12 pages in and i'm still to work out what exactly is hilarious about it all? Anyone? It would be funny if he weren't so disapponting.
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Post by skemstokie on Oct 4, 2017 10:02:42 GMT
What a waste of money!!! Offers absolutely zero from open play, and throws in a missed penalty for good measure. Absolutely garbage. Crouch needs to start from here on in. Hughes clearly can't spend money. Do you claim to be a Stoke "supporter" if so SUPPORT ![:-S](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/kdD1n42dnzYd3v59eUB_.gif)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2017 11:08:26 GMT
So, 12 pages in and i'm still to work out what exactly is hilarious about it all? Anyone? From what I can gather, the main gist is that a few people have decided Berahino is shit and whatever he does on the pitch they will back that argument up until the end of time. It's the next player in the progression after Whelan-Shawcross-Walters-Arnie-Bojan-Shaqiri-Imbula-Pieters-Allen and many more.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Oct 4, 2017 12:39:41 GMT
So, 12 pages in and i'm still to work out what exactly is hilarious about it all? Anyone? From what I can gather, the main gist is that a few people have decided Berahino is shit and whatever he does on the pitch they will back that argument up until the end of time. It's the next player in the progression after Whelan-Shawcross-Walters-Arnie-Bojan-Shaqiri-Imbula-Pieters-Allen and many more. But all the people who are defending Berahino are just slating the supporters. I would like to see someone come on and tell us HOW Berahino can be successful at Stoke as we play 1 up front. The only coherent argument I have seen, is that when he gets his first goal he will start scoring a bagful. Apart from not scoring for 30 odd games and missing 3 penalties along the way, I cant see WHAT he does well - He isnt fast - He isnt strong - He isnt tricky - Hes not very good in the air I dont know if he has a great shot on him as he has hardly had any shots. So instead of just moaning at supporters on a messageboard, I would like to hear from you or others HOW to make Berahino successful at Stoke if we continue with 1 up front.
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Post by Gods on Oct 4, 2017 12:58:20 GMT
From what I can gather, the main gist is that a few people have decided Berahino is shit and whatever he does on the pitch they will back that argument up until the end of time. It's the next player in the progression after Whelan-Shawcross-Walters-Arnie-Bojan-Shaqiri-Imbula-Pieters-Allen and many more. But all the people who are defending Berahino are just slating the supporters. I would like to see someone come on and tell us HOW Berahino can be successful at Stoke as we play 1 up front. The only coherent argument I have seen, is that when he gets his first goal he will start scoring a bagful. Apart from not scoring for 30 odd games and missing 3 penalties along the way, I cant see WHAT he does well - He isnt fast - He isnt strong - He isnt tricky - Hes not very good in the air I dont know if he has a great shot on him as he has hardly had any shots. So instead of just moaning at supporters on a messageboard, I would like to hear from you or others HOW to make Berahino successful at Stoke if we continue with 1 up front. I thought what he did have, before he came, is a god given ability to dunk a burly defender flat on his backside with a shimmy to one side or the other or a step over, and it just never happened, not until the goal against Arsenal where he made a fool of the defender in setting up Jese. That's what I thought he had and that's why I thought we would give us something up front we didn't have before, but goodness me there has been precious little of it.
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Post by jezzascfc on Oct 4, 2017 13:09:47 GMT
I thought we were getting a younger Jermaine Defoe style striker, one who could create a yard of space by good movement and clever runs and then manage to get a shot off most times to test the keeper. This is what I thought I saw in his decent run of form at WBA, but we have not really witnessed that here.
Has he stopped making those runs or are the other players not on the same wavelength to read his movement? Has he really lost it at only 24? It is just confidence and game time he needs? Must we change the formation to get the best out of him?
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Post by Gods on Oct 4, 2017 13:21:46 GMT
I thought we were getting a younger Jermaine Defoe style striker, one who could create a yard of space by good movement and clever runs and then manage to get a shot off most times to test the keeper. This is what I thought I saw in his decent run of form at WBA, but we have not really witnessed that here. Has he stopped making those runs or are the other players not on the same wavelength to read his movement? Has he really lost it at only 24? It is just confidence and game time he needs? Must we change the formation to get the best out of him? Yes, particularly the part about getting shots off, that is what I thought we were buying. Shooting early is definitely the modern style, rather than waiting until the keeper has settled, they teach that in all racket sports these days, play the ball top of the bounce or even on the rise, before your opponent is back in position and balanced.
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Post by Will_75 on Oct 4, 2017 13:41:38 GMT
I thought we were getting a younger Jermaine Defoe style striker, one who could create a yard of space by good movement and clever runs and then manage to get a shot off most times to test the keeper. This is what I thought I saw in his decent run of form at WBA, but we have not really witnessed that here. Has he stopped making those runs or are the other players not on the same wavelength to read his movement? Has he really lost it at only 24? It is just confidence and game time he needs? Must we change the formation to get the best out of him? I don't think anyone really knows, and the title of this thread is really unfortunate. I really, really hope he can get his mojo back - confidence is a weird thing - Match of the Day highlighted Rashford's supreme confidence on Saturday - things just come off for you when you're right on it. SB looks miles from this - I just hope he can break his duck soon and get going. What a difference he could make. It's not like he's not trying though, and I don't see how getting on his back helps anyone.
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Post by crapslinger on Oct 4, 2017 13:47:25 GMT
From what I can gather, the main gist is that a few people have decided Berahino is shit and whatever he does on the pitch they will back that argument up until the end of time. It's the next player in the progression after Whelan-Shawcross-Walters-Arnie-Bojan-Shaqiri-Imbula-Pieters-Allen and many more. But all the people who are defending Berahino are just slating the supporters. I would like to see someone come on and tell us HOW Berahino can be successful at Stoke as we play 1 up front. The only coherent argument I have seen, is that when he gets his first goal he will start scoring a bagful. Apart from not scoring for 30 odd games and missing 3 penalties along the way, I cant see WHAT he does well - He isnt fast - He isnt strong - He isnt tricky - Hes not very good in the air I dont know if he has a great shot on him as he has hardly had any shots. So instead of just moaning at supporters on a messageboard, I would like to hear from you or others HOW to make Berahino successful at Stoke if we continue with 1 up front. His record since he has been here speaks for itself, that is a fact 1 assist no goals, missed penalty, either out of the squad though fit, on the bench or hooked off, it appears that the manager has very little faith in him either. He see's him every day in training as a few have pointed out maybe he is not happy with what he is seeing, I agree the system is not going to help his cause however he does not do enough to help himself.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2017 13:53:36 GMT
From what I can gather, the main gist is that a few people have decided Berahino is shit and whatever he does on the pitch they will back that argument up until the end of time. It's the next player in the progression after Whelan-Shawcross-Walters-Arnie-Bojan-Shaqiri-Imbula-Pieters-Allen and many more. But all the people who are defending Berahino are just slating the supporters. I would like to see someone come on and tell us HOW Berahino can be successful at Stoke as we play 1 up front. The only coherent argument I have seen, is that when he gets his first goal he will start scoring a bagful. Apart from not scoring for 30 odd games and missing 3 penalties along the way, I cant see WHAT he does well - He isnt fast - He isnt strong - He isnt tricky - Hes not very good in the air I dont know if he has a great shot on him as he has hardly had any shots. So instead of just moaning at supporters on a messageboard, I would like to hear from you or others HOW to make Berahino successful at Stoke if we continue with 1 up front. Well the initial response to that is that I believe the way to make him successful with the 3 up front we currently play is to play him in games. I think he is quite strong really, he holds it up very well and showed that against Saints and Arsenal, as well as in his cameo vs Man Utd. He's not as tricky as a false 9, but against lower sides we need a more focal point up front, who is going to stay in the central striker role. I would remind everyone that this season he has played 223 minutes this season, and won us 3 points in that time directly vs Arsenal. I can't say he's looked bad in any of them (the possible exception of Everton, where we were poor throughout attacking wise). I agree, he doesn't work as a lone striker, but no-one in world football does. The point in the 343 is that the wing backs provide the width, and allow us to play with 2 or 3 effective strikers (usually for us, Shaq drops deeper and Choupo moves up front with the striker). He has only played as a lone striker in the Everton game, because we were so awful at getting in and around him. We write off last season, as told by Hughes, because of his time away from football and how awful the whole team played, and just concentrate on this season, his performances have not been bad at all. He does have the little bit of pace and trickery needed to get on the end of through balls and find space (i.e. how he won the pen) and I think he's our best chance of finding a way to score goals in the 343. Even if his performances aren't doing it, he stretches defences back and gives the midfield (and Shaq) space to work in. Against big teams, I understand Jese as a false 9, as we need all the creativity we can get to get goals from very rare attacks. But against smaller teams where we will be controlling the game, or at least partly so, the use of a real striker to focus the front 3 and stay central to get on the end of chances is needed for me. Not Crouch, because he just invites the other teams defence to press high, and leaves no space for Shaq/Choupo or the midfield to play us forward, and we end up defending for our lives and hoofing it to no-one.
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Post by crapslinger on Oct 4, 2017 14:30:12 GMT
But all the people who are defending Berahino are just slating the supporters. I would like to see someone come on and tell us HOW Berahino can be successful at Stoke as we play 1 up front. The only coherent argument I have seen, is that when he gets his first goal he will start scoring a bagful. Apart from not scoring for 30 odd games and missing 3 penalties along the way, I cant see WHAT he does well - He isnt fast - He isnt strong - He isnt tricky - Hes not very good in the air I dont know if he has a great shot on him as he has hardly had any shots. So instead of just moaning at supporters on a messageboard, I would like to hear from you or others HOW to make Berahino successful at Stoke if we continue with 1 up front. Well the initial response to that is that I believe the way to make him successful with the 3 up front we currently play is to play him in games. I think he is quite strong really, he holds it up very well and showed that against Saints and Arsenal, as well as in his cameo vs Man Utd. He's not as tricky as a false 9, but against lower sides we need a more focal point up front, who is going to stay in the central striker role. I would remind everyone that this season he has played 223 minutes this season, and won us 3 points in that time directly vs Arsenal. I can't say he's looked bad in any of them (the possible exception of Everton, where we were poor throughout attacking wise). I agree, he doesn't work as a lone striker, but no-one in world football does. The point in the 343 is that the wing backs provide the width, and allow us to play with 2 or 3 effective strikers (usually for us, Shaq drops deeper and Choupo moves up front with the striker). He has only played as a lone striker in the Everton game, because we were so awful at getting in and around him. We write off last season, as told by Hughes, because of his time away from football and how awful the whole team played, and just concentrate on this season, his performances have not been bad at all. He does have the little bit of pace and trickery needed to get on the end of through balls and find space (i.e. how he won the pen) and I think he's our best chance of finding a way to score goals in the 343. Even if his performances aren't doing it, he stretches defences back and gives the midfield (and Shaq) space to work in. Against big teams, I understand Jese as a false 9, as we need all the creativity we can get to get goals from very rare attacks. But against smaller teams where we will be controlling the game, or at least partly so, the use of a real striker to focus the front 3 and stay central to get on the end of chances is needed for me. Not Crouch, because he just invites the other teams defence to press high, and leaves no space for Shaq/Choupo or the midfield to play us forward, and we end up defending for our lives and hoofing it to no-one. If he is our best chance of scoring we are in for a very barren season, writing off last season because it suits is not the answer, he was unfit which for a professional sportsman not coming back from an injury is not acceptable, his lay off for four months were self inflicted and apparently Hughes knew the reason behind that, he missed a few sitters last season, we were told he would be on fire after a full pre season which has not happened. I think we will be in for another striker in January and Berahino will be cast aside with the other new toys the manager has broken.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2017 14:56:12 GMT
Well the initial response to that is that I believe the way to make him successful with the 3 up front we currently play is to play him in games. I think he is quite strong really, he holds it up very well and showed that against Saints and Arsenal, as well as in his cameo vs Man Utd. He's not as tricky as a false 9, but against lower sides we need a more focal point up front, who is going to stay in the central striker role. I would remind everyone that this season he has played 223 minutes this season, and won us 3 points in that time directly vs Arsenal. I can't say he's looked bad in any of them (the possible exception of Everton, where we were poor throughout attacking wise). I agree, he doesn't work as a lone striker, but no-one in world football does. The point in the 343 is that the wing backs provide the width, and allow us to play with 2 or 3 effective strikers (usually for us, Shaq drops deeper and Choupo moves up front with the striker). He has only played as a lone striker in the Everton game, because we were so awful at getting in and around him. We write off last season, as told by Hughes, because of his time away from football and how awful the whole team played, and just concentrate on this season, his performances have not been bad at all. He does have the little bit of pace and trickery needed to get on the end of through balls and find space (i.e. how he won the pen) and I think he's our best chance of finding a way to score goals in the 343. Even if his performances aren't doing it, he stretches defences back and gives the midfield (and Shaq) space to work in. Against big teams, I understand Jese as a false 9, as we need all the creativity we can get to get goals from very rare attacks. But against smaller teams where we will be controlling the game, or at least partly so, the use of a real striker to focus the front 3 and stay central to get on the end of chances is needed for me. Not Crouch, because he just invites the other teams defence to press high, and leaves no space for Shaq/Choupo or the midfield to play us forward, and we end up defending for our lives and hoofing it to no-one. If he is our best chance of scoring we are in for a very barren season, writing off last season because it suits is not the answer, he was unfit which for a professional sportsman not coming back from an injury is not acceptable, his lay off for four months were self inflicted and apparently Hughes knew the reason behind that, he missed a few sitters last season, we were told he would be on fire after a full pre season which has not happened. I think we will be in for another striker in January and Berahino will be cast aside with the other new toys the manager has broken. I write off any attacking players season last season because we spent almost all of it playing without any attacking threat from the centre of midfield. Most of the team's season last season can be written off by the fact we played Joe Allen at number 10 for the majority of it. And a four month period with no football is still going to affect him adversely, whether its his fault or not. As I say, we give him this season at the very least.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2017 15:44:22 GMT
Did he feature last night in The Chekatrade?
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Post by WhyDelilah on Oct 29, 2017 8:09:04 GMT
He was unlucky with that difficult chance yesterday....
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Post by milky on Oct 29, 2017 8:33:49 GMT
I actually thought he did ok in his short cameo.
Should have scored yes and could and should have had an assist.
I certainly haven't give up hope like some..then again a minority want him to fail...
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Post by blackpoolred on Oct 29, 2017 8:37:00 GMT
But all the people who are defending Berahino are just slating the supporters. I would like to see someone come on and tell us HOW Berahino can be successful at Stoke as we play 1 up front. The only coherent argument I have seen, is that when he gets his first goal he will start scoring a bagful. Apart from not scoring for 30 odd games and missing 3 penalties along the way, I cant see WHAT he does well - He isnt fast - He isnt strong - He isnt tricky - Hes not very good in the air I dont know if he has a great shot on him as he has hardly had any shots. So instead of just moaning at supporters on a messageboard, I would like to hear from you or others HOW to make Berahino successful at Stoke if we continue with 1 up front. Well the initial response to that is that I believe the way to make him successful with the 3 up front we currently play is to play him in games. I think he is quite strong really, he holds it up very well and showed that against Saints and Arsenal, as well as in his cameo vs Man Utd. He's not as tricky as a false 9, but against lower sides we need a more focal point up front, who is going to stay in the central striker role. I would remind everyone that this season he has played 223 minutes this season, and won us 3 points in that time directly vs Arsenal. I can't say he's looked bad in any of them (the possible exception of Everton, where we were poor throughout attacking wise). I agree, he doesn't work as a lone striker, but no-one in world football does. The point in the 343 is that the wing backs provide the width, and allow us to play with 2 or 3 effective strikers (usually for us, Shaq drops deeper and Choupo moves up front with the striker). He has only played as a lone striker in the Everton game, because we were so awful at getting in and around him. We write off last season, as told by Hughes, because of his time away from football and how awful the whole team played, and just concentrate on this season, his performances have not been bad at all. He does have the little bit of pace and trickery needed to get on the end of through balls and find space (i.e. how he won the pen) and I think he's our best chance of finding a way to score goals in the 343. Even if his performances aren't doing it, he stretches defences back and gives the midfield (and Shaq) space to work in. Against big teams, I understand Jese as a false 9, as we need all the creativity we can get to get goals from very rare attacks. But against smaller teams where we will be controlling the game, or at least partly so, the use of a real striker to focus the front 3 and stay central to get on the end of chances is needed for me. Not Crouch, because he just invites the other teams defence to press high, and leaves no space for Shaq/Choupo or the midfield to play us forward, and we end up defending for our lives and hoofing it to no-one. With the amount of time he has spent out of the game he was always going to need lots of time to get anywhere near back to his best. For me he needs to be sent out on loan where he can be guaranteed games and lots of them. He looks like he is getting physically fitter, but we are never going to see him at his full potential by playing him for 30 mins here and there, on the other hand, we cant afford to start him every week when we know he is nowhere near his top form
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Post by alster on Oct 29, 2017 8:44:34 GMT
He didn't score from a very very good chance but he bought more to the role in 20 mins than Choupo did in 70. I really don't get Hughes' fascination with playing Choupo as a centre forward he looks like a fish out of water.
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Post by waffles on Oct 29, 2017 9:11:51 GMT
He didn't score from a very very good chance but he bought more to the role in 20 mins than Choupo did in 70. I really don't get Hughes' fascination with playing Choupo as a centre forward he looks like a fish out of water. I do agree with you re choupo but to be fair to Hughes yesterday his tactics worked and we could have won 3 0 in the end!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2017 9:13:20 GMT
He was unlucky with that difficult chance yesterday.... It was a great save, you're pathetic lad.
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Post by alster on Oct 29, 2017 9:14:23 GMT
He didn't score from a very very good chance but he bought more to the role in 20 mins than Choupo did in 70. I really don't get Hughes' fascination with playing Choupo as a centre forward he looks like a fish out of water. I do agree with you re choupo but to be fair to Hughes yesterday his tactics worked and we could have won 3 0 in the end! And non of it would have had anything to do with Choupo playing centre forward.
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Post by Dresden_scfc on Oct 29, 2017 9:15:28 GMT
Yea he probably should of scored but still a good save, thought he looked sharper more movement from him
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Oct 29, 2017 9:21:36 GMT
He didn't score from a very very good chance but he bought more to the role in 20 mins than Choupo did in 70. I really don't get Hughes' fascination with playing Choupo as a centre forward he looks like a fish out of water. Don't worry Alster, if LMH is here next season Coupo will probably be playing left wing back.
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