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Post by bathstoke on Jul 22, 2017 15:24:21 GMT
That maybe so Rog, but just look at what Jesus said if you want to see how secular & religious life differs:- “If anyone comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple." That's why religious individuals and organisations should not be Governing countries. As we moved on from hundreds of years ago here in the UK. May is a vicars daughter(not that it shows)& I believe the Bible is still the worlds best seller...
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Post by rat on Jul 22, 2017 15:30:09 GMT
That maybe so Rog, but just look at what Jesus said if you want to see how secular & religious life differs:- “If anyone comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple." That's why religious individuals and organisations should not be Governing countries. As we moved on from hundreds of years ago here in the UK. Yet you went and voted for Theresa " Vicar of Dibley" May and the Political Wing of the Old Testament to prop the whole Tory clusterfuck up? You aren't half a confused fella Rog.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jul 22, 2017 15:33:01 GMT
Didsbury Mosque. Remember them? Lied to the world's press about not knowing the MEN bomber when he had actually given out radical koran lessons to youngsters. Anyway, here's their website, as of today. Under Services, Sharia Centre A few translations; Fatwa - a ruling on a point of Islamic law given by a recognized authority. Khul - a procedure through which a woman can divorce her husband in Islam, by returning the dower (mahr) that she received from her husband. Zakat - payment made annually under Islamic law on certain kinds of property and used for charitable and religious purposes, one of the Five Pillars of Islam. I could invent a law that anyone who voted Tory in the last election should be decapitated. If I carried it out and said I was relying on my law as my defence I would end up in prison for many years because my law (like Sharia Law) means nothing in England and Wales Except it's not as simple as decapitation is it. It's when a UK State funded mixed junior school has muslim staff and almost 100% muslim children so they decide that the boys and girls should be separated and spend taxpayers money fighting Ofsted in the courts. It when 'polite' notices appear in parks asking for people not to walk their dogs. None of this is beheading people but it is the definite and deliberate Islamification of the UK. Not to mention grooming rape gangs not being properly investigated because of their ethnicity. It's happening every other European country. It happens as a matter of Law in Islamic countries. It's not the terror incidents that anyone disagree's on it's the other end of the wedge where the West is sleep walking into huge problems.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jul 22, 2017 15:37:18 GMT
So are these Government approved poker nights? No. Neither is the blatant prostitution in every single Dubai bar. So illegal, and if the Government a) wanted to and b) didn't want to put off Western workers coming to the country and helping the economy, they would be shut down. What's the excuse for the UK Government not shutting down Sharia Law courts? Not wanting to or not wanting to put off a section of the population who cry victim, play the race card and turn violent at the drop of a hat?
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Post by rat on Jul 22, 2017 15:38:12 GMT
I could invent a law that anyone who voted Tory in the last election should be decapitated. If I carried it out and said I was relying on my law as my defence I would end up in prison for many years because my law (like Sharia Law) means nothing in England and Wales Except it's not as simple as decapitation is it. It's when a UK State funded mixed junior school has muslim staff and almost 100% muslim children so they decide that the boys and girls should be separated and spend taxpayers money fighting Ofsted in the courts. It when 'polite' notices appear in parks asking for people not to walk their dogs. None of this is beheading people but it is the definite and deliberate Islamification of the UK. Not to mention grooming rape gangs not being properly investigated because of their ethnicity. It's happening every other European country. It happens as a matter of Law in Islamic countries. It's not the terror incidents that anyone disagree's on it's the other end of the wedge where the West is sleep walking into huge problems.Nah, it's not. It'll correct itself. You worry too much about the wrong stuff.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jul 22, 2017 15:39:24 GMT
Except it's not as simple as decapitation is it. It's when a UK State funded mixed junior school has muslim staff and almost 100% muslim children so they decide that the boys and girls should be separated and spend taxpayers money fighting Ofsted in the courts. It when 'polite' notices appear in parks asking for people not to walk their dogs. None of this is beheading people but it is the definite and deliberate Islamification of the UK. Not to mention grooming rape gangs not being properly investigated because of their ethnicity. It's happening every other European country. It happens as a matter of Law in Islamic countries. It's not the terror incidents that anyone disagree's on it's the other end of the wedge where the West is sleep walking into huge problems.Nah, it's not. It'll correct itself. You worry too much about the wrong stuff. How will it "correct itself" ?? This should be good.
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Post by rat on Jul 22, 2017 15:41:00 GMT
No. Neither is the blatant prostitution in every single Dubai bar. So illegal, and if the Government a) wanted to and b) didn't want to put off Western workers coming to the country and helping the economy, they would be shut down. What's the excuse for the UK Government not shutting down Sharia Law courts? Not wanting to or not wanting to put off a section of the population who cry victim, play the race card and turn violent at the drop of a hat? Because they're not shitting their pants over largely innoffensive muslim community groups. Get a grip will you.
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Post by rat on Jul 22, 2017 15:41:41 GMT
Nah, it's not. It'll correct itself. You worry too much about the wrong stuff. How will it "correct itself" ?? This should be good. I've already explained this to you upthread. Education.
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Post by StokieNath on Jul 22, 2017 15:54:10 GMT
Sharia will dominate the UK thanks to the cancerous left wing bastards.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jul 22, 2017 15:56:46 GMT
How will it "correct itself" ?? This should be good. I've already explained this to you upthread. Education. Here's your precious 'education' a Labour meeting in the last GE of the UK..... Attachment Deleted
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Post by rat on Jul 22, 2017 16:00:22 GMT
Sharia will dominate the UK thanks to the cancerous left wing bastards.
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Post by rat on Jul 22, 2017 16:10:12 GMT
I've already explained this to you upthread. Education. Here's your precious 'education' a Labour meeting in the last GE of the UK..... That was a Labour Muslim Rally at Hodge Hill in May 2015 and a segregated audience was entirely appropriate for that meeting you doughnut. Clearly Nigel Farage jumped all over it and bent Cameron's will...The Daily Mail went into meltdown....and you want progress with our muslim communities? You really are a few scoops short aren't you?
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Post by Waggy on Jul 22, 2017 16:15:14 GMT
Here's your precious 'education' a Labour meeting in the last GE of the UK..... That was a Labour Muslim Rally at Hodge Hill in May 2015 and a segregated audience was entirely appropriate for that meeting you doughnut. Clearly Nigel Farage jumped all over it and bent Cameron's will...The Daily Mail went into meltdown....and you want progress with our muslim communities? You really are a few scoops short aren't you? Was this the meeting that caused a fuss about women on one side men on the other?
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jul 22, 2017 16:15:30 GMT
Who said anything about changing the Holy Texts. It's how they are perceived that is the growing problem. There needs to be a meteoric shift in Muslim countries to initiate Separation of Powers where Government, Judiciary and Parliament are democratic and religious figures or organisations do not have overall control. There are many trying to bring about change. The Quilliam Foundation The Muslim Reform Movement Imam Tawhidi The change has to be from within the Islamic faith but that doesn't stop non Islamic countries working externally. As always a mixture of carrot and stick is the way to go. The UN is almost non-existent in this area and that needs to change as do attitudes of the Western leaders. These "tough questions" that May talked about after the MEN bomb needed to asked. And asked now and publicly. A harder line against extremist and Sharia needs to taken but there also should be open and fair conversation about what is acceptable in Western society in 2017 because I feel that what is being accepted by the powers that be isn't acceptable to many of the citizens. Tensions will only rise if the lines remain blurred. None of those organisations stand a chance Rog. The only thing that will change the modus operandi at the very core of Islam is a final recognition that a solid, science based education finally reaching into the heart of Mecca, is in actual fact a very positive thing. There is no magic bullet, but it will eventually sort itself out, I guarantee you that...but sadly not in our lifetimes. You're so wrong. Even for you. A science education at the heart of Mecca ![(lol)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/lvpvZ64EmrkLcuVniUmo.gif) And you thought I was being unreasonable! Here's where we start. Where we can actually make a difference. Muslims and Christians agreeing on an acceptable form of Islam in the 21st Century.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jul 22, 2017 16:18:02 GMT
Here's your precious 'education' a Labour meeting in the last GE of the UK..... That was a Labour Muslim Rally at Hodge Hill in May 2015 and a segregated audience was entirely appropriate for that meeting you doughnut. Clearly Nigel Farage jumped all over it and bent Cameron's will...The Daily Mail went into meltdown....and you want progress with our muslim communities? You really are a few scoops short aren't you? But that's the problem. It's NOT "entirely appropriate" to separate the sexes at a public political meeting in a modern day UK. You're the problem for accepting this is OK.
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Post by rat on Jul 22, 2017 16:20:02 GMT
None of those organisations stand a chance Rog. The only thing that will change the modus operandi at the very core of Islam is a final recognition that a solid, science based education finally reaching into the heart of Mecca, is in actual fact a very positive thing. There is no magic bullet, but it will eventually sort itself out, I guarantee you that...but sadly not in our lifetimes. You're so wrong. Even for you. A science education at the heart of Mecca ![(lol)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/lvpvZ64EmrkLcuVniUmo.gif) And you thought I was being unreasonable! Here's where we start. Where we can actually make a difference. Muslims and Christians agreeing on an acceptable form of Islam in the 21st Century. Muslims nor Christians speak for me kid. It's an irrelevance to me. Sad that we get these bombings but its all small beer to me. I'm more focussed on building my business and my farm.
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Post by rat on Jul 22, 2017 16:21:26 GMT
That was a Labour Muslim Rally at Hodge Hill in May 2015 and a segregated audience was entirely appropriate for that meeting you doughnut. Clearly Nigel Farage jumped all over it and bent Cameron's will...The Daily Mail went into meltdown....and you want progress with our muslim communities? You really are a few scoops short aren't you? But that's the problem. It's NOT "entirely appropriate" to separate the sexes at a public political meeting in a modern day UK. You're the problem for accepting this is OK. It's absolutely fucking fine in that community you bedwetting Tory plonker.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jul 22, 2017 16:24:40 GMT
You're so wrong. Even for you. A science education at the heart of Mecca ![(lol)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/lvpvZ64EmrkLcuVniUmo.gif) And you thought I was being unreasonable! Here's where we start. Where we can actually make a difference. Muslims and Christians agreeing on an acceptable form of Islam in the 21st Century. Muslims nor Christians speak for me kid. It's an irrelevance to me. Sad that we get these bombings but its all small beer to me. I'm more focussed on building my business and my farm. Classic WUM. Don't stay up too late tonight. You know how grumpy you were this morning.
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Post by rat on Jul 22, 2017 16:28:41 GMT
Muslims nor Christians speak for me kid. It's an irrelevance to me. Sad that we get these bombings but its all small beer to me. I'm more focussed on building my business and my farm. Classic WUM. Don't stay up too late tonight. You know how grumpy you were this morning. Only because you refused to swallow And where's my fucking omelette?
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Post by oggyoggy on Jul 22, 2017 18:30:05 GMT
That maybe so Rog, but just look at what Jesus said if you want to see how secular & religious life differs:- “If anyone comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple." That's why religious individuals and organisations should not be Governing countries. As we moved on from hundreds of years ago here in the UK. Religion and the state are not separated here so we have not moved on from that
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Post by oggyoggy on Jul 22, 2017 18:35:21 GMT
I could invent a law that anyone who voted Tory in the last election should be decapitated. If I carried it out and said I was relying on my law as my defence I would end up in prison for many years because my law (like Sharia Law) means nothing in England and Wales Except it's not as simple as decapitation is it. It's when a UK State funded mixed junior school has muslim staff and almost 100% muslim children so they decide that the boys and girls should be separated and spend taxpayers money fighting Ofsted in the courts. It when 'polite' notices appear in parks asking for people not to walk their dogs. None of this is beheading people but it is the definite and deliberate Islamification of the UK. Not to mention grooming rape gangs not being properly investigated because of their ethnicity. It's happening every other European country. It happens as a matter of Law in Islamic countries. It's not the terror incidents that anyone disagree's on it's the other end of the wedge where the West is sleep walking into huge problems. Grooming rape gangs happens as a matter of law in Islamic nations does it!? I disagree with most hardline Muslim (Jewish, Christian etc) views. Christians aren't all slave traders or leading religious crusades, same with any other religion, the actions of a few should not lead to discrimination against the minority. And I hate dogs and would ban them from most beaches and parks (is that a Muslim thing? Didn't know that if it is). If we could do away with religion I'd agree straightaway. Oh and schools of ANY faith should be illegal immediately. Includes church of england and catholic.
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Post by starkiller on Jul 22, 2017 18:53:30 GMT
Where is the feminist outrage?
Always conspicuous by its absence regarding such things...
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Post by rat on Jul 23, 2017 22:32:08 GMT
Where is the feminist outrage?Always conspicuous by its absence regarding such things... Seems like it's just Todger at the moment? But he's just outraged by default when it comes to anything regarding Islam.
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Post by metalhead on Jul 24, 2017 9:41:11 GMT
Call me a lefty do-gooder (despite my clear non-political bias).... but no thanks. The death penalty is left in the past, where it belongs.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jul 24, 2017 9:54:48 GMT
Call me a lefty do-gooder (despite my clear non-political bias).... but no thanks. The death penalty is left in the past, where it belongs. Just out of interest. Why are you against a death sentence?
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Post by rat on Jul 24, 2017 12:11:35 GMT
Call me a lefty do-gooder (despite my clear non-political bias).... but no thanks. The death penalty is left in the past, where it belongs. Just out of interest. Why are you against a death sentence? Because it's a fucking barbaric practice that contravenes decency, human rights and is itself anchored in a medieval mindset that is an anachronism you absolute filthy and utter weapon. Why do you think President Duterte in the Philippines has the entire international community against him?
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jul 24, 2017 12:18:09 GMT
Just out of interest. Why are you against a death sentence? Because it's a fucking barbaric practice that contravenes decency, human rights and is itself anchored in a medieval mindset that is an anachronism you absolute filthy and utter weapon. Why do you think President Duterte in the Philippines has the entire international community against him? Why do you spend time in Thailand that has the death penalty?
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Post by rat on Jul 24, 2017 12:23:01 GMT
Because it's a fucking barbaric practice that contravenes decency, human rights and is itself anchored in a medieval mindset that is an anachronism you absolute filthy and utter weapon. Why do you think President Duterte in the Philippines has the entire international community against him? Why do you spend time in Thailand that has the death penalty? Thailand doesn't have the death penalty.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jul 24, 2017 12:29:47 GMT
Why do you spend time in Thailand that has the death penalty? Thailand doesn't have the death penalty. OK then Capital Punishment by death.
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Post by rat on Jul 24, 2017 12:31:38 GMT
Thailand doesn't have the death penalty. OK then Capital Punishment by death. Nope.
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