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Post by rat on Jul 22, 2017 13:11:03 GMT
There are lots of rules that different religious groups observe, but they're not legally binding. They are to them. They disregard UK law in favour, whether voluntary or not, to follow their own religious law. That's fine as long as they stay within UK law; we are tolerant of other faiths in the UK. However, if a muslim ends up killing someone, as happens from time to time, then he or she will face a trial in a British court, under British law and wind up in a British prison if guilty. End of.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jul 22, 2017 13:18:41 GMT
They are to them. They disregard UK law in favour, whether voluntary or not, to follow their own religious law. That's fine as long as they stay within UK law; we are tolerant of other faiths in the UK. However, if a muslim ends up killing someone, as happens from time to time, then he or she will face a trial in a British court, under British law and wind up in a British prison if guilty. End of. You need some sleep. Illegal poker nights or child brides and honour killings. Disregard - verb. pay no attention to; ignore. Synonyms: ignore, take no notice of, take no account of, pay no attention/heed to, refuse to acknowledge.
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Post by rat on Jul 22, 2017 13:24:42 GMT
That's fine as long as they stay within UK law; we are tolerant of other faiths in the UK. However, if a muslim ends up killing someone, as happens from time to time, then he or she will face a trial in a British court, under British law and wind up in a British prison if guilty. End of. You need some sleep. Illegal poker nights or child brides and honour killings. Disregard - verb. pay no attention to; ignore. Synonyms: ignore, take no notice of, take no account of, pay no attention/heed to, refuse to acknowledge. I've just had 4 hours thank you, free of your grubby little thoughts And how people choose to behave is up to them. If they choose to kill then they'll go to jail, however, most behave themselves. What is it you don't grasp?
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jul 22, 2017 13:25:14 GMT
Didsbury Mosque. Remember them? Lied to the world's press about not knowing the MEN bomber when he had actually given out radical koran lessons to youngsters. Anyway, here's their website, as of today. Under Services, Sharia Centre A few translations; Fatwa - a ruling on a point of Islamic law given by a recognized authority. Khul - a procedure through which a woman can divorce her husband in Islam, by returning the dower (mahr) that she received from her husband. Zakat - payment made annually under Islamic law on certain kinds of property and used for charitable and religious purposes, one of the Five Pillars of Islam.
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Post by rat on Jul 22, 2017 13:28:46 GMT
Didsbury Mosque. Remember them? Lied to the world's press about not knowing the MEN bomber when he had actually given out radical koran lessons to youngsters. Anyway, here's their website, as of today. Under Services, Sharia Centre A few translations; Fatwa - a ruling on a point of Islamic law given by a recognized authority. Khul - a procedure through which a woman can divorce her husband in Islam, by returning the dower (mahr) that she received from her husband. Zakat - payment made annually under Islamic law on certain kinds of property and used for charitable and religious purposes, one of the Five Pillars of Islam. What is your point here RogerRabid? Are you offering a translation service?
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jul 22, 2017 13:53:50 GMT
You need some sleep. Illegal poker nights or child brides and honour killings. Disregard - verb. pay no attention to; ignore. Synonyms: ignore, take no notice of, take no account of, pay no attention/heed to, refuse to acknowledge. I've just had 4 hours thank you, free of your grubby little thoughts And how people choose to behave is up to them. If they choose to kill then they'll go to jail, however, most behave themselves. What is it you don't grasp? It's not up to them though that's the point. Honour Based Violence HBV is reinforced by religious and cultural beliefs which sections of the population follow because they believe this mentality is superior to UK values and UK Laws. Others follow for fear of recrimination. It's fact that these practices happen, it's fact that they are grossly under reported by the communities in question and it's fact that the prosecution rate is pitifully small. If you want to shrug and say, well if a backstreet muslim doctor carries out FGM's or family members commit honour beatings and killings then that's "up to them" then you go ahead. I wouldn't expect anything less from you. Personally I'd like a more pro-active from the Government who's primary duty is to protect its citizens. You wont read the following so I'll have to spoon feed you the facts as per..... 'Honour' killings in the UK - Henry Jackson Society "Thousands of people living in the United Kingdom are at risk of losing their lives to an unwritten code of conduct known as ‘honour’."
"Therefore, most reported UK ‘honour’ killings and attempted killings have been carried out against people of South Asian origin, the majority of whom have Pakistani ethnic origin."
"In 2010, the UK police reported a minimum of 2,800 cases of HBV, including: abduction, mutilation, acid attacks, beatings, and murder. This marked a 47% increase in comparable reported cases between 2009 and 2010."
".... honour-based abuse, has a helpline that currently receives over 850 calls per month, the majority of which are from victims themselves. The number of calls received by the helpline increased between 2010 and 2013 by 47%."
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Post by rat on Jul 22, 2017 13:57:04 GMT
Sharia law means nothing here. Our laws apply and that is it. The vast majority of muslims are law abiding and make positive contributions to our society. The minority cause a problem as with all cultures and religions. If you are a white male (likely given the demographic of stoke fans) should you be tarnished with the same brush as Harold Shipman and jimmy saville? It is a little naive to simply state that "Sharia law means nothing here. Our laws apply and that is it". Sharia law is practiced in the UK within the community and it does mean something to the muslim community. I was originally in favour because it meant the community resolved their problems and thus relieved the burden on our courts. The potential cost savings is one of the reasons why the various governments have not intervened. However, I listened to a number of interviews with English muslim women who were vehemently opposed to Sharia Law. The counter argument that Sharia Law has no legal standing and anyone dissatisfied can take their case to the UK courts was dismissed by these women. If they were to do this some of them risked being alienated by their community and bringing dishonour to their families. We all know where that can lead in exceptional circumstances. These women genuinely felt that they had no recourse to law at all. If there was no Sharia Law in their community it would be much easier for them to use the existing UK framework to solve their problems. Having a parallel court or alternative means of conflict resolution (mediation, call it what you want) causes them problems. I understand that there is a similar system in place in London that caters for Jewish people and that it has been around for several decades. I don't know too much about this.I just caught the end of a BBC radio discussion on the subject. I suppose the bottom line is that a parallel system of community law works so long as the people who are part of that process truly feel that they can take their grievance to the UK courts in the event that they are dissatisfied with the Sharia (or whatever system) ruling. If they are too scared to seek redress in the UK court for fear of reprisals from the community then that cannot be tolerated and any alternative system that operates on that basis should be shut down. This is a cultural point, surely? How can you litigate something like Shame or Honour out of these, or indeed any community? This is the human condition. There's always going to be a certain amount of bump and grind when differing cultures hit the buffers, but I find that the hysterical responses from some folks on this board range from vacuous to disturbing.
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Post by Waggy on Jul 22, 2017 13:58:29 GMT
I've just had 4 hours thank you, free of your grubby little thoughts And how people choose to behave is up to them. If they choose to kill then they'll go to jail, however, most behave themselves. What is it you don't grasp? It's not up to them though that's the point. Honour Based Violence HBV is reinforced by religious and cultural beliefs which sections of the population follow because they believe this mentality is superior to UK values and UK Laws. Others follow for fear of recrimination. It's fact that these practices happen, it's fact that they are grossly under reported by the communities in question and it's fact that the prosecution rate is pitifully small. If you want to shrug and say, well if a backstreet muslim doctor carries out FGM's or family members commit honour beatings and killings then that's "up to them" then you go ahead. I wouldn't expect anything less from you. Personally I'd like a more pro-active from the Government who's primary duty is to protect its citizens. You wont read the following so I'll have to spoon feed you the facts as per..... 'Honour' killings in the UK - Henry Jackson Society "Thousands of people living in the United Kingdom are at risk of losing their lives to an unwritten code of conduct known as ‘honour’."
"Therefore, most reported UK ‘honour’ killings and attempted killings have been carried out against people of South Asian origin, the majority of whom have Pakistani ethnic origin."
"In 2010, the UK police reported a minimum of 2,800 cases of HBV, including: abduction, mutilation, acid attacks, beatings, and murder. This marked a 47% increase in comparable reported cases between 2009 and 2010."
".... honour-based abuse, has a helpline that currently receives over 850 calls per month, the majority of which are from victims themselves. The number of calls received by the helpline increased between 2010 and 2013 by 47%."Now that's a disgrace. How the hell have Governments let it get like this. Turning a blind eye is never good.
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Post by rat on Jul 22, 2017 14:01:14 GMT
I've just had 4 hours thank you, free of your grubby little thoughts And how people choose to behave is up to them. If they choose to kill then they'll go to jail, however, most behave themselves. What is it you don't grasp? It's not up to them though that's the point. Honour Based Violence HBV is reinforced by religious and cultural beliefs which sections of the population follow because they believe this mentality is superior to UK values and UK Laws. Others follow for fear of recrimination. It's fact that these practices happen, it's fact that they are grossly under reported by the communities in question and it's fact that the prosecution rate is pitifully small. If you want to shrug and say, well if a backstreet muslim doctor carries out FGM's or family members commit honour beatings and killings then that's "up to them" then you go ahead. I wouldn't expect anything less from you. Personally I'd like a more pro-active from the Government who's primary duty is to protect its citizens. You wont read the following so I'll have to spoon feed you the facts as per..... 'Honour' killings in the UK - Henry Jackson Society "Thousands of people living in the United Kingdom are at risk of losing their lives to an unwritten code of conduct known as ‘honour’."
"Therefore, most reported UK ‘honour’ killings and attempted killings have been carried out against people of South Asian origin, the majority of whom have Pakistani ethnic origin."
"In 2010, the UK police reported a minimum of 2,800 cases of HBV, including: abduction, mutilation, acid attacks, beatings, and murder. This marked a 47% increase in comparable reported cases between 2009 and 2010."
".... honour-based abuse, has a helpline that currently receives over 850 calls per month, the majority of which are from victims themselves. The number of calls received by the helpline increased between 2010 and 2013 by 47%."The Henry Jackson Society - a right wing neocon think tank. A nicer bunch of extremists you will not meet. So what is your (final) solution then Roger? I can't wait for this
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Post by Waggy on Jul 22, 2017 14:04:05 GMT
It's not up to them though that's the point. Honour Based Violence HBV is reinforced by religious and cultural beliefs which sections of the population follow because they believe this mentality is superior to UK values and UK Laws. Others follow for fear of recrimination. It's fact that these practices happen, it's fact that they are grossly under reported by the communities in question and it's fact that the prosecution rate is pitifully small. If you want to shrug and say, well if a backstreet muslim doctor carries out FGM's or family members commit honour beatings and killings then that's "up to them" then you go ahead. I wouldn't expect anything less from you. Personally I'd like a more pro-active from the Government who's primary duty is to protect its citizens. You wont read the following so I'll have to spoon feed you the facts as per..... 'Honour' killings in the UK - Henry Jackson Society "Thousands of people living in the United Kingdom are at risk of losing their lives to an unwritten code of conduct known as ‘honour’."
"Therefore, most reported UK ‘honour’ killings and attempted killings have been carried out against people of South Asian origin, the majority of whom have Pakistani ethnic origin."
"In 2010, the UK police reported a minimum of 2,800 cases of HBV, including: abduction, mutilation, acid attacks, beatings, and murder. This marked a 47% increase in comparable reported cases between 2009 and 2010."
".... honour-based abuse, has a helpline that currently receives over 850 calls per month, the majority of which are from victims themselves. The number of calls received by the helpline increased between 2010 and 2013 by 47%."What is your solution then Roger? I can't wait for this Can i hear what both of you would do please? I like to hear both sides
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jul 22, 2017 14:07:59 GMT
What is your solution then Roger? I can't wait for this Can i hear what both of you would do please? I like to hear both sides The Reformation of Islam. Re-adjusting the belief system of Muslims to suit 2017. A version of Islam that is acceptable and accepted in Western Society.
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Post by rat on Jul 22, 2017 14:14:19 GMT
What is your solution then Roger? I can't wait for this Can i hear what both of you would do please? I like to hear both sides We have to engage with these communities and gradually influence change from within. Wether we like it or not, Islam is here to stay and I readily admit at the edges Islamic practice can become very alien in principle. There are no simple nor quick fixes Waggy, but understanding without prejudice is where we need to start. Anyone breaking our laws needs to be severely reprimanded when it comes to so called "acts of faith".
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Post by Waggy on Jul 22, 2017 14:14:51 GMT
Can i hear what both of you would do please? I like to hear both sides The Reformation of Islam. Re-adjusting the belief system of Muslims to suit 2017. A version of Islam that is acceptable and accepted in Western Society. I agree with this and i would add only Imams from Britain in Mosques has they will be more accustomed to the British laws and way of life
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Post by rat on Jul 22, 2017 14:15:27 GMT
Can i hear what both of you would do please? I like to hear both sides The Reformation of Islam. Re-adjusting the belief system of Muslims to suit 2017. A version of Islam that is acceptable and accepted in Western Society. Good luck with that pal. Are you being serious?
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Post by rat on Jul 22, 2017 14:18:51 GMT
The Reformation of Islam. Re-adjusting the belief system of Muslims to suit 2017. A version of Islam that is acceptable and accepted in Western Society. I agree with this and i would add only Imams from Britain in Mosques has they will be more accustomed to the British laws and way of life Totally unrealistic. The Holy texts will never change but positive influence over what is perceived as virtuous and what is perceived as anachronistic from within the Qur'an, is the clear way forward. In the same way we disregard much of the Old Testament and stories like Adam & Eve these days. Takes time. But the Arab world is changing from within. Saudi and places like the UAE are incredibly conservative, but the movers and shakers, the royal princes and the future business leaders in those countries are all receiving either an Oxbridge or Ivy League education. Patience is what's required here chaps. Let evolution do its work. Following the recommendations of a neocon thinktank will just create chaos.
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Post by Waggy on Jul 22, 2017 14:19:59 GMT
Can i hear what both of you would do please? I like to hear both sides We have to engage with these communities and gradually influence change from within. Wether we like it or not, Islam is here to stay and I readily admit at the edges Islamic practice can become very alien in principle. There are no simple nor quick fixes Waggy, but understanding without prejudice is where we need to start. Anyone breaking our laws needs to be severely reprimanded when it comes to so called "acts of faith". I agree its not about eradicating Islam but teaching that fits with the Western world in the Uk and that goes for any religion. When Saudi Imams are allowed here with no concept on our culture then thats where problems arise. There has been too much ignoring going on from Governments and media they need to address the problems now for good of all sides
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Post by oggyoggy on Jul 22, 2017 14:27:29 GMT
There are lots of rules that different religious groups observe, but they're not legally binding. They are to them. They disregard UK law in favour, whether voluntary or not, to follow their own religious law. Love to see you plead not guilty to murder because under Sharia Law it was an honour killing and so allowed. See how far that gets you...
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Post by tuum on Jul 22, 2017 14:31:32 GMT
It is a little naive to simply state that "Sharia law means nothing here. Our laws apply and that is it". Sharia law is practiced in the UK within the community and it does mean something to the muslim community. I was originally in favour because it meant the community resolved their problems and thus relieved the burden on our courts. The potential cost savings is one of the reasons why the various governments have not intervened. However, I listened to a number of interviews with English muslim women who were vehemently opposed to Sharia Law. The counter argument that Sharia Law has no legal standing and anyone dissatisfied can take their case to the UK courts was dismissed by these women. If they were to do this some of them risked being alienated by their community and bringing dishonour to their families. We all know where that can lead in exceptional circumstances. These women genuinely felt that they had no recourse to law at all. If there was no Sharia Law in their community it would be much easier for them to use the existing UK framework to solve their problems. Having a parallel court or alternative means of conflict resolution (mediation, call it what you want) causes them problems. I understand that there is a similar system in place in London that caters for Jewish people and that it has been around for several decades. I don't know too much about this.I just caught the end of a BBC radio discussion on the subject. I suppose the bottom line is that a parallel system of community law works so long as the people who are part of that process truly feel that they can take their grievance to the UK courts in the event that they are dissatisfied with the Sharia (or whatever system) ruling. If they are too scared to seek redress in the UK court for fear of reprisals from the community then that cannot be tolerated and any alternative system that operates on that basis should be shut down. This is a cultural point, surely? How can you litigate something like Shame or Honour out of these, or indeed any community? This is the human condition. There's always going to be a certain amount of bump and grind when differing cultures hit the buffers, but I find that the hysterical responses from some folks on this board range from vacuous to disturbing. You are right. It is cultural. Perhaps that is why Sharia should not be allowed. It tends to favour the man's view over that of the woman. I am not trying to litigate shame and honour but if no sharia law was allowed to operate then it loosens the cultural ties, people start to assimilate, they start to use the UK judicial system appropriately. Over time you start to integrate and you accept UK values and rule of law...all of them. The question then becomes do you ban other alternative religious courts like the Jewish one I referred to earlier? I have no idea whether the Jewish court is considered fair by those who use it or whether it abides by UK gender equality laws. If the Jewish person does not accept the decision of their 'religious' court does he/she feel constrained by Jewish culture (intimidation or fear of rejection) not to elevate it to the UK system. Or do you accept that sharia law is, on the whole, a good thing and you deal with each high profile incident as a criminal act as and when they occur. As I mentioned previously, I was originally in favour of Sharia law but changed my mind. However, if we choose to ban the practice how would we police it? I have no doubt that making it illegal would not stop it. Once you tacitly accept some alternative practice it becomes difficult to then try and ban it.
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Post by oggyoggy on Jul 22, 2017 14:31:37 GMT
Didsbury Mosque. Remember them? Lied to the world's press about not knowing the MEN bomber when he had actually given out radical koran lessons to youngsters. Anyway, here's their website, as of today. Under Services, Sharia Centre A few translations; Fatwa - a ruling on a point of Islamic law given by a recognized authority. Khul - a procedure through which a woman can divorce her husband in Islam, by returning the dower (mahr) that she received from her husband. Zakat - payment made annually under Islamic law on certain kinds of property and used for charitable and religious purposes, one of the Five Pillars of Islam. I could invent a law that anyone who voted Tory in the last election should be decapitated. If I carried it out and said I was relying on my law as my defence I would end up in prison for many years because my law (like Sharia Law) means nothing in England and Wales
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Post by bathstoke on Jul 22, 2017 14:39:30 GMT
There are lots of rules that different religious groups observe, but they're not legally binding. They are to them. They disregard UK law in favour, whether voluntary or not, to follow their own religious law. That maybe so Rog, but just look at what Jesus said if you want to see how secular & religious life differs:- “If anyone comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple."
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Post by rat on Jul 22, 2017 14:42:25 GMT
Didsbury Mosque. Remember them? Lied to the world's press about not knowing the MEN bomber when he had actually given out radical koran lessons to youngsters. Anyway, here's their website, as of today. Under Services, Sharia Centre A few translations; Fatwa - a ruling on a point of Islamic law given by a recognized authority. Khul - a procedure through which a woman can divorce her husband in Islam, by returning the dower (mahr) that she received from her husband. Zakat - payment made annually under Islamic law on certain kinds of property and used for charitable and religious purposes, one of the Five Pillars of Islam. I could invent a law that anyone who voted Tory in the last election should be decapitated. If I carried it out and said I was relying on my law as my defence I would end up in prison for many years because my law (like Sharia Law) means nothing in England and Wales I'd vote for that Ogg. Where do I sign up?
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Post by rat on Jul 22, 2017 14:46:12 GMT
They are to them. They disregard UK law in favour, whether voluntary or not, to follow their own religious law. Love to see you plead not guilty to murder because under Sharia Law it was an honour killing and so allowed. See how far that gets you... Just when you think you're getting somewhere with him, he steps on a pile of dogshit and then goes off tramping through the dining room, completely and blissfully unaware of what is going on.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jul 22, 2017 14:56:39 GMT
Who said anything about changing the Holy Texts. It's how they are perceived that is the growing problem. There needs to be a meteoric shift in Muslim countries to initiate Separation of Powers where Government, Judiciary and Parliament are democratic and religious figures or organisations do not have overall control. There are many trying to bring about change. The Quilliam Foundation The Muslim Reform Movement Imam Tawhidi The change has to be from within the Islamic faith but that doesn't stop non Islamic countries working externally. As always a mixture of carrot and stick is the way to go. The UN is almost non-existent in this area and that needs to change as do attitudes of the Western leaders. These "tough questions" that May talked about after the MEN bomb needed to asked. And asked now and publicly. A harder line against extremist and Sharia needs to taken but there also should be open and fair conversation about what is acceptable in Western society in 2017 because I feel that what is being accepted by the powers that be isn't acceptable to many of the citizens. Tensions will only rise if the lines remain blurred.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jul 22, 2017 14:59:55 GMT
They are to them. They disregard UK law in favour, whether voluntary or not, to follow their own religious law. That maybe so Rog, but just look at what Jesus said if you want to see how secular & religious life differs:- “If anyone comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple." That's why religious individuals and organisations should not be Governing countries. As we moved on from hundreds of years ago here in the UK.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2017 15:04:23 GMT
There are lots of rules that different religious groups observe, but they're not legally binding. Precisely. There is no gambling in the UAE, right? Wrong, the western expat communities get together all over the city for poker nights. These are cultural behaviours, that occur behind closed doors. You can't stop that. But the suggestion of an alternate legal system operating in the UK is just pathetic, but why doesn't it surprise me when some of the usual numskulls on here are constantly trying to assert that point? How long did you live there, and were you a Muslim whilst there.
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Post by rat on Jul 22, 2017 15:06:53 GMT
Who said anything about changing the Holy Texts. It's how they are perceived that is the growing problem. There needs to be a meteoric shift in Muslim countries to initiate Separation of Powers where Government, Judiciary and Parliament are democratic and religious figures or organisations do not have overall control. There are many trying to bring about change. The Quilliam Foundation The Muslim Reform Movement Imam Tawhidi The change has to be from within the Islamic faith but that doesn't stop non Islamic countries working externally. As always a mixture of carrot and stick is the way to go. The UN is almost non-existent in this area and that needs to change as do attitudes of the Western leaders. These "tough questions" that May talked about after the MEN bomb needed to asked. And asked now and publicly. A harder line against extremist and Sharia needs to taken but there also should be open and fair conversation about what is acceptable in Western society in 2017 because I feel that what is being accepted by the powers that be isn't acceptable to many of the citizens. Tensions will only rise if the lines remain blurred. None of those organisations stand a chance Rog. The only thing that will change the modus operandi at the very core of Islam is a final recognition that a solid, science based education finally reaching into the heart of Mecca, is in actual fact a very positive thing. There is no magic bullet, but it will eventually sort itself out, I guarantee you that...but sadly not in our lifetimes.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jul 22, 2017 15:12:45 GMT
They are to them. They disregard UK law in favour, whether voluntary or not, to follow their own religious law. Love to see you plead not guilty to murder because under Sharia Law it was an honour killing and so allowed. See how far that gets you... Most honour killings aren't even reported to the police because they don't believe in UK law. A case of female genital mutilation (FGM) is either discovered or treated at a medical appointment in England every hour - The Independent Feb 2017 "Not one single prosecution since it was outlawed in 1985" It's blamed on culture and the practice covered up by the communities where it occurs. We dare not clamp down for fear of offending or being accused of racially profiling. The Independent is a typical hand wringing piece about how it's a non religious, global problem from Mali to London. I say, I don't care what happens in Mali. I want it stopped in this country. Deportations and long prison sentences. Physical checks of females which of course were demonised as being against Human Rights when UKIP suggested it.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jul 22, 2017 15:15:03 GMT
There are lots of rules that different religious groups observe, but they're not legally binding. Precisely. There is no gambling in the UAE, right? Wrong, the western expat communities get together all over the city for poker nights. These are cultural behaviours, that occur behind closed doors. You can't stop that. But the suggestion of an alternate legal system operating in the UK is just pathetic, but why doesn't it surprise me when some of the usual numskulls on here are constantly trying to assert that point? So are these Government approved poker nights?
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Post by rat on Jul 22, 2017 15:17:56 GMT
Love to see you plead not guilty to murder because under Sharia Law it was an honour killing and so allowed. See how far that gets you... Most honour killings aren't even reported to the police because they don't believe in UK law. A case of female genital mutilation (FGM) is either discovered or treated at a medical appointment in England every hour - The Independent Feb 2017 "Not one single prosecution since it was outlawed in 1985" It's blamed on culture and the practice covered up by the communities where it occurs. We dare not clamp down for fear of offending or being accused of racially profiling. The Independent is a typical hand wringing piece about how it's a non religious, global problem from Mali to London. I say, I don't care what happens in Mali. I want it stopped in this country. Deportations and long prison sentences. Physical checks of females which of course were demonised as being against Human Rights when UKIP suggested it. You need to back that up with something more than opinion Rog.
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Post by rat on Jul 22, 2017 15:20:25 GMT
Precisely. There is no gambling in the UAE, right? Wrong, the western expat communities get together all over the city for poker nights. These are cultural behaviours, that occur behind closed doors. You can't stop that. But the suggestion of an alternate legal system operating in the UK is just pathetic, but why doesn't it surprise me when some of the usual numskulls on here are constantly trying to assert that point? So are these Government approved poker nights? No. Neither is the blatant prostitution in every single Dubai bar.
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