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Post by essexstokey on Jul 23, 2017 20:42:13 GMT
Potter and Stokes on for England ! thats why we need a women's prem team and to sign these two
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Post by essexstokey on Jul 23, 2017 20:45:31 GMT
Absolutely fine with women's footy just think it ridiculously agenda-driven to force it into the mainstream - BBC mainly, who ironically don't think they need to be paying female sports presenters anywhere near what they pay that smug, jug-eared corporate whore Line-acre - I make no effort to watch it for free never mind going to watch a match - it's just piss poor and terminally amateur (to me) - each to their own of course...... erm its on channel 4 and was a lot bigger till the fa banned it see when-football-banned-women
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Post by woza40 on Jul 23, 2017 21:09:30 GMT
Best jobs in the world,physio for the lionesses and kit man!
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Post by madnellie on Jul 23, 2017 21:14:37 GMT
Absolutely fine with women's footy just think it ridiculously agenda-driven to force it into the mainstream - BBC mainly, who ironically don't think they need to be paying female sports presenters anywhere near what they pay that smug, jug-eared corporate whore Line-acre - I make no effort to watch it for free never mind going to watch a match - it's just piss poor and terminally amateur (to me) - each to their own of course...... erm its on channel 4 and was a lot bigger till the fa banned it see when-football-banned-womenThat's the saddest part, the FA killed it not lack of popularity. I'm realistic enough to know that it probably will never draw crowds quite like that again, but the 2011 WWC in Germany definitely began a trend in the right direction. I am obviously happy it's getting more coverage but I can understand where you're coming from. I can't abide the NFL myself and personally can't understand why the BBC and other UK channels bother to give the Superbowl etc any coverage at all but I do realise that it has some fans in the UK and respect their right to watch and enjoy it as you do with women's footie and it's fans
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Post by adi on Jul 23, 2017 21:35:43 GMT
It is embarrassing suggesting that the standard is anywhere near as good as even conference men's football. Women cannot compete with men in football as with many other sports, to say it does like so many on twitter did yesterday makes people want to voice the fact that they can't compete. Best thing in hindsight is to let them have their leagues and competitions and not mention them in the same breath as the men's. At least it's provoked some debate on a forum so that's a god thing at least. Both men's and women's football can be watched enjoyed for what they are - different games played under the same rules. To say that "Women can't compete with men in football" is one of the more pointless comments about the two sports. A light weight boxer can't compete with a heavy weight boxer but that shouldn't and doesn't stop people watching and enjoying the lighter weight fighters as much as the heavier weights. I agree. But it hasn't stopped so many in the media and on twitter suggesting that they can compete. That was part of my point, I've no issue with them playing the sport. It's just another gender agenda to try to compare the two and to suggest that there should be parity, it ain't gonna happen
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Jul 23, 2017 21:37:04 GMT
Best jobs in the world,physio for the lionesses and kit man! Careful, Woza. Feminists will have your balls off if they read this.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 23, 2017 21:40:13 GMT
Surely having someone called Frank Irby in your team at the women's Euros is just cheating.
He scored today too.
I'll get me coat.
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Post by madnellie on Jul 23, 2017 21:40:33 GMT
Best jobs in the world,physio for the lionesses and kit man! Careful, Woza. Feminists will have your balls off if they read this. Hahaha, well I liked the post so his balls are safe from this woman at least. No worse in my opinion than my straight female friends being rather jealous of Dr Eva when she was Chel$ki physio
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Post by kidcrewbob on Jul 23, 2017 21:58:01 GMT
Absolutely fine with women's footy just think it ridiculously agenda-driven to force it into the mainstream - BBC mainly, who ironically don't think they need to be paying female sports presenters anywhere near what they pay that smug, jug-eared corporate whore Line-acre - I make no effort to watch it for free never mind going to watch a match - it's just piss poor and terminally amateur (to me) - each to their own of course...... erm its on channel 4 and was a lot bigger till the fa banned it see when-football-banned-womenErm license fee subsidises channel 4 dontcha know and I watched most of the doc the other night with Balding - it was largely a novelty act borne mainly out of the role reversals seen during WW1 and after by the utter devastation to the male population after WW1......like I say, each to their own......
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Post by essexstokey on Jul 23, 2017 22:02:17 GMT
Erm license fee subsidises channel 4 dontcha know and I watched most of the doc the other night with Balding - it was largely a novelty act borne mainly out of the role reversals seen during WW1 and after by the utter devastation to the male population after WW1......like I say, each to their own...... No advertising is only revenue for channel 4 and they are not allowed to make a profit license fee is bbc only for radio and tv output
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Post by Gods on Jul 23, 2017 22:05:39 GMT
I didn't catch the game, I was at the Victoria and Albert Museum, but I have read the match reports, Spain 78% possession, that's a Barcelona at their finest figure, funny (peculiar) how playing styles/characteristics seem to be the same within nations across the men's and women's games, or maybe it's not? It makes you wonder if playing styles are determined by the physical characteristics of the populace, coaching methods or perhaps social factors or something else? There's a dissertation in that for some bright young sports student...
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 23, 2017 22:17:43 GMT
I didn't catch the game, I was at the Victoria and Albert Museum, but I have read the match reports, Spain 78% possession, that's a Barcelona at their finest figure, funny (peculiar) how playing styles/characteristics seem to be the same within nations across the men's and women's games, or maybe it's not? It makes you wonder if playing styles are determined by the physical characteristics of the populace, coaching methods or perhaps social factors or something else? There's a dissertation in that for some bright young sports student... It's down to how the coaches are taught and developed isnt it? And that in turn is linked to the football culture. England played like you'd expect an English side to play, mainly reliant on long balls from set pieces and going from there. Spain didn't look like scoring in a million years though and we took what we were about our only two chances excellently.
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Post by madnellie on Jul 23, 2017 22:19:13 GMT
I didn't catch the game, I was at the Victoria and Albert Museum, but I have read the match reports, Spain 78% possession, that's a Barcelona at their finest figure, funny (peculiar) how playing styles/characteristics seem to be the same within nations across the men's and women's games, or maybe it's not? It makes you wonder if playing styles are determined by the physical characteristics of the populace, coaching methods or perhaps social factors or something else? There's a dissertation in that for some bright young sports student... I wondered the same Gods. Was a heck of a lot of possession for Spain but I don't recall Bardsley having a real save to make. I described it as reminiscent of us vs Arse circa 2010, they played some pretty backwards passes and we defended resolutely. I was unsure about letting Spain have so much of the ball because they're such a good up and coming side but Sampson got it bang on (which is why he's manager and I'm just a lowly fan lol).
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Post by madnellie on Jul 23, 2017 22:20:21 GMT
I didn't catch the game, I was at the Victoria and Albert Museum, but I have read the match reports, Spain 78% possession, that's a Barcelona at their finest figure, funny (peculiar) how playing styles/characteristics seem to be the same within nations across the men's and women's games, or maybe it's not? It makes you wonder if playing styles are determined by the physical characteristics of the populace, coaching methods or perhaps social factors or something else? There's a dissertation in that for some bright young sports student... It's down to how the coaches are taught and developed isnt it? And that in turn is linked to the football culture. England played like you'd expect an English side to play, mainly reliant on long balls from set pieces and going from there. Spain didn't look like scoring in a million years though and we took what we were about our only two chances excellently. Three, mate Seriously though, I'm gutted for Bright, would have been a very nice goal to start her England tally.
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Post by Gods on Jul 23, 2017 22:30:44 GMT
I didn't catch the game, I was at the Victoria and Albert Museum, but I have read the match reports, Spain 78% possession, that's a Barcelona at their finest figure, funny (peculiar) how playing styles/characteristics seem to be the same within nations across the men's and women's games, or maybe it's not? It makes you wonder if playing styles are determined by the physical characteristics of the populace, coaching methods or perhaps social factors or something else? There's a dissertation in that for some bright young sports student... I wondered the same Gods. Was a heck of a lot of possession for Spain but I don't recall Bardsley having a real save to make. I described it as reminiscent of us vs Arse circa 2010, they played some pretty backwards passes and we defended resolutely. I was unsure about letting Spain have so much of the ball because they're such a good up and coming side but Sampson got it bang on (which is why he's manager and I'm just a lowly fan lol). There is a part of me which wonders if they would beat us next time if Spain can add a killer instinct to all the possession, can you really win and continue to win football matches without really seeing the ball? Bayern Munich do the same thing if you look at their possession stats...
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Post by kidcrewbob on Jul 23, 2017 22:33:15 GMT
Erm license fee subsidises channel 4 dontcha know and I watched most of the doc the other night with Balding - it was largely a novelty act borne mainly out of the role reversals seen during WW1 and after by the utter devastation to the male population after WW1......like I say, each to their own...... No advertising is only revenue for channel 4 and they are not allowed to make a profit license fee is bbc only for radio and tv output Some would says its a blurred and oft challenged line - not to you though obviously..
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Jul 23, 2017 22:46:17 GMT
The fifth was good technique but what was the keeper doing? As soon as ball loops up you get to the middle of the goal and set yourself. Instead she left 3 quarters of the goal empty to hit the ball into. I really liked the final goal but again the keeper messes up. She should absolutely smash the England player and the ball. She wasn't very convincing at all was she Bayern? It's one area where the women's game needs to improve in my opinion - there is an absolute dearth of good, female goalkeepers out there. Would have been a slighter closer game if Kimmy Little had been fit and playing for Scotland I think, I've watched her play a lot for club and country and she's an absolutely incredible little player, probably the best female player I've seen. One aspect that never seems to get mentioned when talking about women's goalkeepers is the size of the goal itself. I've done a quick bit of googling and the average height for a men's goalkeeper is around 6ft 3ins. For the women the average height is around 5ft 9 so that's conceding a significant amount of height to the men whilst being expected to defend a goal of the same dimensions. It's not surprising then that many female goalkeepers struggle to defend a goal designed for the size and strength of men. There's also the strength factor too. Women in general are weaker than men, it's a biological fact and in professional sport where everyone is fit and toned up the difference is huge. Women goalkeepers will have significantly less arm and wrist strength for tipping shots away when at full stretch, less leg strength for jumping and diving etc. Combine all this together and it's part of the reason why female goalkeepers often look a bit hopeless especially when we're used to watching male goalkeepers. In reality women's football probably needs to play with smaller goals but that's never going to happen. There's a constant battle to be taken seriously and changing something as fundamental as goal size will just give even more ammunition to those who want to ridicule women's football and make it out to be a joke. It's obviously far from the only reason why female keepers are often poor and many of the other factors such as the unpopularity of the position meaning the players who end up there are often failed outfield players rather than people who actually wanted to be a goalkeeper have already been discussed on here. But goal dimensions and women's height are to me two fairly obvious contributory factors which I'm surprised aren't mentioned more often.
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Post by Kilo on Jul 23, 2017 22:48:23 GMT
Potter and Stokes on for England ! thats why we need a women's prem team and to sign these two We do have a women's prem team. They played the Welsh premier legue team Caernarfon Town today in a pre-season friendly and won 9-0
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 24, 2017 0:30:50 GMT
She wasn't very convincing at all was she Bayern? It's one area where the women's game needs to improve in my opinion - there is an absolute dearth of good, female goalkeepers out there. Would have been a slighter closer game if Kimmy Little had been fit and playing for Scotland I think, I've watched her play a lot for club and country and she's an absolutely incredible little player, probably the best female player I've seen. One aspect that never seems to get mentioned when talking about women's goalkeepers is the size of the goal itself. I've done a quick bit of googling and the average height for a men's goalkeeper is around 6ft 3ins. For the women the average height is around 5ft 9 so that's conceding a significant amount of height to the men whilst being expected to defend a goal of the same dimensions. It's not surprising then that many female goalkeepers struggle to defend a goal designed for the size and strength of men. There's also the strength factor too. Women in general are weaker than men, it's a biological fact and in professional sport where everyone is fit and toned up the difference is huge. Women goalkeepers will have significantly less arm and wrist strength for tipping shots away when at full stretch, less leg strength for jumping and diving etc. Combine all this together and it's part of the reason why female goalkeepers often look a bit hopeless especially when we're used to watching male goalkeepers. In reality women's football probably needs to play with smaller goals but that's never going to happen. There's a constant battle to be taken seriously and changing something as fundamental as goal size will just give even more ammunition to those who want to ridicule women's football and make it out to be a joke. It's obviously far from the only reason why female keepers are often poor and many of the other factors such as the unpopularity of the position meaning the players who end up there are often failed outfield players rather than people who actually wanted to be a goalkeeper have already been discussed on here. But goal dimensions and women's height are to me two fairly obvious contributory factors which I'm surprised aren't mentioned more often. I've mentioned the size of the goal and got called a sexist bastard and all shit so didn't bother any more! 😂 But yes I agree!
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Post by whereami on Jul 24, 2017 1:57:21 GMT
Absolutely fine with women's footy just think it ridiculously agenda-driven to force it into the mainstream - BBC mainly, who ironically don't think they need to be paying female sports presenters anywhere near what they pay that smug, jug-eared corporate whore Line-acre - I make no effort to watch it for free never mind going to watch a match - it's just piss poor and terminally amateur (to me) - each to their own of course...... erm its on channel 4 and was a lot bigger till the fa banned it see when-football-banned-womenI havent watched the documentary so ill ask - did they force a law through somehow which made womens football illegal? Was it a prison worthy crime? If it was just the FA not allowing it to be played on "mens" pitches, and it was better attended then the mens game at the time, why couldnt they form their own grass roots league as the mens game had to do 60 odd years earlier with no infrastructure in place?
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Post by bigcashprizes on Jul 24, 2017 6:13:27 GMT
A jolly warm welcome to 2017 Sir! As well as women having the temerity to play football, there's also been a black president, olympics for cripples and on top of that - some soft twat decided to let the gays get married. What a world we live in I don't care about Women's football, just like I don't care about a lot of other sports e.g mens Rugby Union, Womens cricket, Athletics male or female, swimming etc etc. You should have written "I don't care" then. "Who cares" was a bit too general of a statement, and in this context, a bit inflammatory. But you knew that! Grow up you daft old goat
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Post by ohbottom on Jul 24, 2017 6:58:16 GMT
One aspect that never seems to get mentioned when talking about women's goalkeepers is the size of the goal itself. I've done a quick bit of googling and the average height for a men's goalkeeper is around 6ft 3ins. For the women the average height is around 5ft 9 so that's conceding a significant amount of height to the men whilst being expected to defend a goal of the same dimensions. It's not surprising then that many female goalkeepers struggle to defend a goal designed for the size and strength of men. There's also the strength factor too. Women in general are weaker than men, it's a biological fact and in professional sport where everyone is fit and toned up the difference is huge. Women goalkeepers will have significantly less arm and wrist strength for tipping shots away when at full stretch, less leg strength for jumping and diving etc. Combine all this together and it's part of the reason why female goalkeepers often look a bit hopeless especially when we're used to watching male goalkeepers. In reality women's football probably needs to play with smaller goals but that's never going to happen. There's a constant battle to be taken seriously and changing something as fundamental as goal size will just give even more ammunition to those who want to ridicule women's football and make it out to be a joke. It's obviously far from the only reason why female keepers are often poor and many of the other factors such as the unpopularity of the position meaning the players who end up there are often failed outfield players rather than people who actually wanted to be a goalkeeper have already been discussed on here. But goal dimensions and women's height are to me two fairly obvious contributory factors which I'm surprised aren't mentioned more often. I've mentioned the size of the goal and got called a sexist bastard and all shit so didn't bother any more! 😂 But yes I agree! On another thread a week or three back there was a discussion about 12 year olds (boys) playing on full size pitches. Plenty took the line of "I played on a full size pitch when I were a lad, toughens you up, tell 'em get on with it, mard-arses". To my mind it makes sense to adjust sporting equipment / pitches to match the physical attributes of those taking part in any sport.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 24, 2017 7:06:46 GMT
I've mentioned the size of the goal and got called a sexist bastard and all shit so didn't bother any more! 😂 But yes I agree! On another thread a week or three back there was a discussion about 12 year olds (boys) playing on full size pitches. Plenty took the line of "I played on a full size pitch when I were a lad, toughens you up, tell 'em get on with it, mard-arses". To my mind it makes sense to adjust sporting equipment / pitches to match the physical attributes of those taking part in any sport. I think I commented on that. For kids it's a no brainer. I saw a video a few weeks ago on Facebook of a kid scoring some good goals, all pretty much in the top corner, all hit from 30+ yards out and all looking pretty spectacular. But it was against a keeper no taller than 5 foot in goals that were way too big. Yes this kid was doing well to hit the ball like he was but essentially he was hitting it high against a short keeper in big goals. That doesn't build skill or thought into someones game. Until they're about 14/15 I don't think they should play in full size goals tbh.
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Post by Kilo on Jul 24, 2017 8:35:49 GMT
I havent watched the documentary so ill ask - did they force a law through somehow which made womens football illegal? Was it a prison worthy crime? If it was just the FA not allowing it to be played on "mens" pitches, and it was better attended then the mens game at the time, why couldnt they form their own grass roots league as the mens game had to do 60 odd years earlier with no infrastructure in place? They did the typical FA thing of (not telling the women they couldn't play) but threatening any FA affiliated grounds such as football league clubs that they would get fined if they allowed women to play on their pitches. The women were then forced to play on park pitches which couldn't accommodate the 60,000 crowds they were getting and the game fizzled out. Shocking really.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Jul 24, 2017 9:16:02 GMT
One aspect that never seems to get mentioned when talking about women's goalkeepers is the size of the goal itself. I've done a quick bit of googling and the average height for a men's goalkeeper is around 6ft 3ins. For the women the average height is around 5ft 9 so that's conceding a significant amount of height to the men whilst being expected to defend a goal of the same dimensions. It's not surprising then that many female goalkeepers struggle to defend a goal designed for the size and strength of men. There's also the strength factor too. Women in general are weaker than men, it's a biological fact and in professional sport where everyone is fit and toned up the difference is huge. Women goalkeepers will have significantly less arm and wrist strength for tipping shots away when at full stretch, less leg strength for jumping and diving etc. Combine all this together and it's part of the reason why female goalkeepers often look a bit hopeless especially when we're used to watching male goalkeepers. In reality women's football probably needs to play with smaller goals but that's never going to happen. There's a constant battle to be taken seriously and changing something as fundamental as goal size will just give even more ammunition to those who want to ridicule women's football and make it out to be a joke. It's obviously far from the only reason why female keepers are often poor and many of the other factors such as the unpopularity of the position meaning the players who end up there are often failed outfield players rather than people who actually wanted to be a goalkeeper have already been discussed on here. But goal dimensions and women's height are to me two fairly obvious contributory factors which I'm surprised aren't mentioned more often. I've mentioned the size of the goal and got called a sexist bastard and all shit so didn't bother any more! 😂 But yes I agree! Nothing to do with being sexist - just unnecessary. When the size of the goal was first codified in men's football the average height of the male population was about 5 ft 5 (judging by the average size of a British soldier in WWI. They are the same size now. So if you are making a case for changing size of goals they should be made bigger in men's football rather than smaller in women's. Fact is at that time we have no idea how good male goalkeepers were at the same stage of the development of the game that womens is now - because there is no significant footage to show it - only the odd Pathe clip here and there. They could have been largely shite for all we know. Just leave it as it is and accept it's a different game - eventually with increased popularity, finance and coaching the standards of wome's goalkeeping will improve.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 24, 2017 9:20:21 GMT
I've mentioned the size of the goal and got called a sexist bastard and all shit so didn't bother any more! 😂 But yes I agree! Nothing to do with being sexist - just unnecessary. When the size of the goal was first codified in men's football the average height of the male population was about 5 ft 5 (judging by the average size of a British soldier in WWI. They are the same size now. So if you are making a case for changing size of goals they should be made bigger in men's football rather than smaller in women's. Fact is at that time we have no idea how good male goalkeepers were at the same stage of the development of the game that womens is now - because there is no significant footage to show it - only the odd Pathe clip here and there. They could have been largely shite for all we know. Just leave it as it is and accept it's a different game - eventually with increased popularity, finance and coaching the standards of wome's goalkeeping will improve. Maybe
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Post by essexstokey on Jul 24, 2017 10:03:04 GMT
I've mentioned the size of the goal and got called a sexist bastard and all shit so didn't bother any more! 😂 But yes I agree! Nothing to do with being sexist - just unnecessary. When the size of the goal was first codified in men's football the average height of the male population was about 5 ft 5 (judging by the average size of a British soldier in WWI. They are the same size now. So if you are making a case for changing size of goals they should be made bigger in men's football rather than smaller in women's. Fact is at that time we have no idea how good male goalkeepers were at the same stage of the development of the game that womens is now - because there is no significant footage to show it - only the odd Pathe clip here and there. They could have been largely shite for all we know. Just leave it as it is and accept it's a different game - eventually with increased popularity, finance and coaching the standards of wome's goalkeeping will improve. Well you say that but you only have to look at how bad the Scottish goalkeepers are/ were in the men's game to see the evolution of goalkeepers or not in the Scottish game
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Post by supersimonstainrod on Jul 24, 2017 11:47:51 GMT
Surely having someone called Frank Irby in your team at the women's Euros is just cheating. He scored today too. I'll get me coat. I'd wager that quote would really leave Frank incensed if she were to read it....
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Jul 24, 2017 13:00:51 GMT
Nothing to do with being sexist - just unnecessary. When the size of the goal was first codified in men's football the average height of the male population was about 5 ft 5 (judging by the average size of a British soldier in WWI. They are the same size now. So if you are making a case for changing size of goals they should be made bigger in men's football rather than smaller in women's. Fact is at that time we have no idea how good male goalkeepers were at the same stage of the development of the game that womens is now - because there is no significant footage to show it - only the odd Pathe clip here and there. They could have been largely shite for all we know. Just leave it as it is and accept it's a different game - eventually with increased popularity, finance and coaching the standards of wome's goalkeeping will improve. Well you say that but you only have to look at how bad the Scottish goalkeepers are/ were in the men's game to see the evolution of goalkeepers or not in the Scottish game Yes (and I did note the "smiley") - but the whole of Scottish football has gone backwards while the womens game has improved. In all honesty I'd rather watch England Women at the euros than - say - Ayr United vs Kilmarnock in the Betfred Cup.
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Post by dutchstokie on Jul 24, 2017 18:39:21 GMT
Holland v Belgium about to start..... in Tilburg so plenty of Belgians in the crowd..... good atmosphere!!!
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